Hugh Hewitt made the following analogy a few days ago:
Customer goes into car dealer and says, “I’d like that new car over there, but I want $5,000 on trade-in for my car.”
Dealer: “No.”
Customer leaves. Comes back next day, “Ok, I’ll take $4,000 on my car or I won’t buy yours.”
Dealer: “No.”
Customer leaves in angry huff. But comes back next day, “Listen, my final offer. I want $3,000 for my trade-in or I really really won’t buy your car!”
Dealer: “No.”
Customer: “Why not?”
Dealer: “Every time you come back, you’ve given me another $1000. Why should I say yes?”
Obama rejected, out-of-hand, the House’s $3,000 offer.
How many days, do you believe, until King Barry gets everything he wants and America gets further down the not-America-any-longer path?
Boehnerfag’s a slutty little whore for fascism
this is not news
Hugh’s analogy isn’t very close though, insofar as rather than “wanting” $5,000 for the trade-in, Boehner and Co. are offering to pay the dealer to take it off their hands. “I’ll take it,” says the Dealer Democrat (meaning by “it”, the people’s sovereignty over their government). “I’ll give it,” says Boehner and Co., “and delighted to do so.”
Just remember the four boxes
Soap
Ballot
Jury
Ammo
“Those that make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” — John F. Kennedy
When you continue to bargain down you show that you will eventually give in to everything the other side wants.
You should start with “Tit for two tats” but after the first three rounds go to “Tit for tat” and also increase your own demands each time the other side won’t move.
SurrenderNews has a banner headline (without any accompanying explanation as yet) touting that the Senate rejected a Democrat plan to extend the debt ceiling through next year (by “through”, surely meaning beyond the fall election, right? though the point would evidently be moot).
I would be the kind of negotiator that tends to make every refusal more expensive for the other guy:
“I want a clean CR”
“Oh, really? Well, how about we offer a CR that utterly guts ObamaCare?”
“No, that’s too far, a clean CR or nothing.”
“Okay, that’s a complete gutting of ObamaCare, and also the elimination of the EPA, too. Got it. Anything else you want to concede?”
“Wait, what? I didn’t say that!”
“Oh, slash the Department of Education, too? Gosh, thanks!”
LeftistHillSquawk fills in the detail.
*** Senate Republicans on Saturday blocked a bid by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to extend the nation’s debt limit until after the 2014 midterm elections.
In an 53-45 vote, the Senate failed to win the 60 votes necessary to advance the debt-limit measure to a floor debate. The bill would increase the federal debt by an estimated $1.1 trillion. ***
But I have at least a dozen Executive Departments that are either not within the Government’s Constitutional purview or completely duplicate agencies that already exist in every State and Territory under the Stars and Stripes, so I’d go in with an agenda…
My kind of negotiation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Qcm24dxaA
geoffb
You should start with “Tit for two tats” but after the first three rounds go to “Tit for tat”
That was what all the ZOMG TED CRUZ IS RUINING THE GOP! hissy fits becuz NO ONE IS GOING TO DEFUND OBAMACARE (I’m looking at you Michael Medved) refused to see.
You do not start negotiations with what you will accept. You start with what you really want and go from there.
Customer: “Why not?”
Dealer: “Because I know you want what I’m selling so badly that if I don’t give you money for a trade-in you’ll take your old car out into the middle of nowhere and torch it, then tell everybody you don’t have a car anymore so you have to buy a new one.”
Customer:
Dealer:
Customer:
Dealer:
Customer: <starts crying>
Dealer: “Yes. Yes! Weep those tasty, tasty orange tears for me!”
Ted Cruz is Tom Hagen Obama needs to wake up with Bo’s head in his bed.
Ted Cruz is . . .
. . . one of the few American politicians on the scene who recalls the sole source of legitimacy in our politics, and therefore continually beseeches and beckons the people to come to his aid, saying to them “Without you, we can do nothing rightly in Washington,” and to that other, vast majority of politicians in Washington “Listen to the American people.” It isn’t very complicated, if he will simply be heard.
Dealer: “Because I know you want what I’m selling so badly that if I don’t give you money for a trade-in you’ll take your old car out into the middle of nowhere and torch it, then tell everybody you don’t have a car anymore so you have to buy a new one.”
Either that, or the Customer and the Dealer both want exactly the same thing, and the Kabuki negotiations are only there to gull the rubes.
Which, if you ignore what the GOP is supposed to stand for and look only at what they do, that’s the conclusion you’re bound to come to.
As for the “ZOMG TED CRUZ IS RUINING THE GOP! hissy fits,” it’s exactly what you’d expect when a principled man does a principled thing among the unprincipled.
No more benefit of the doubt for the incompetent or ignorant or blind: we can’t afford to accept their actions as part of the roil and shift of politics.
Which is an actual default.
If Barry O thinks default is going to teach the GOP a lesson, he isn’t quite the constimatutional scholar that he claims to be.
But we knew that.
In other news (good) the NSA center in Utah has had 10 electrical meltdowns in the past 13 months.
Perhaps the intent of the NSA is wicked, but its ability to pull it off is fundamentally flawed by their technological incompetence.
If they can’t get the power supply right (and the math isn’t THAT hard), they prolly can’t get the data parsing right, either.
Regarding the healthcare.gov site, someone at Ricochet examined the code behind the web pages and discovered utterly amateurish and unworkable code. For the sake of Pete, they couldn’t devise the “logic” to determine what year it is, so they hard-coded it.
You don’t need to be a techie to know that <button class=”btn btn-primary” id=”pleasework”> represents a problem.
Maybe technology really IS our friend.
If Barry O thinks default is going to teach the GOP a lesson, he isn’t quite the constimatutional scholar that he claims to be.
What’s the Constitution got to do with it? The GOP doesn’t adhere to it, either, nor do they use its provisions to check and balance the executive or the Senate.
He’s taught the GOP plenty of lessons, mostly that surrender is their best option, and they’re happy to accept it.
The Constitution has everything to do with it regardless of who is ignoring it.
I liked Congress a lot better when I never thought about them and what they were up to.
later that year, on the cusp of fall, a frustrated America turned its hopeful eyes to a dippy whore from maine, and they harkened to her wisdom
Yay! America had a Plan!
Sybeline negotiation tactics confound the last king of Rome. Apt.
No, this analogy is wrong. Hewitt is advocating not negotiating, rather than negotiating well.
Except that Hewitt is describing correctly what the GOP may be doing behind closed doors.
in case you’re tired of all the depressing domestic news, here’s some really depressing foreign policy news to depress you.
Some snips…
In the ME only Israel is rock-solid domestically — and it is preparing for war.
Even that isn’t entirely certain, since the termites are quietly chewing away.
I have not found Hugh Hewitt to a reliable barometer in the past.
“the termites are quietly chewing ”
As always.
Deuteronomy 31
16 And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them
21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?
dicentra, while I’ll happily agree that there is no reason to expect smart moves by OP leadership there’s no reason to gin up anger about press reports of what the GOP leadership may be doing. We simply don’t know.
So one of his main goals is right on track.
Think of them as enemy propaganda missives and their true flavor appears.
The latest big one being the NBC poll that came out Friday[?] that polled mainly Democrats and government workers about the shutdown but was presented as being balanced.
#VetMarch
Rep Jim Jordan was a lonely voice of reason on SurrenderNewsSunday this morning, yet Americans must be thankful that even one voice speaking for their concerns makes an appearance in the hothouse of fantasy that SurrenderNews has become.
Sen. BackstabberBob Corker, on the other hand, may as well have been reciting a dissertation on the divine right of kings, so little does he regard a representative republic of divided powers a notionally worthy architecture of government. And reason? Faugh, what a useless bit of tripe that is in his estimation of human faculties.
We need to stop calling them “the Mainstream Media.” They are Lord Haw-Haw.
The brilliant political leadership of the Ruling party has devised a new definition of popular sovereignty, a definition of which we in the Country class must make explicit note.
Popular sovereignty now means: The people must submit to the will of the leader, if they know what’s good for them. If they do not know what’s good for them, well then, who would listen to such as those to begin with? Knowing what’s good for oneself is bowing slavishly: do it quickest.
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Okay, serious gun question: Marlin 795 or Ruger 10/22 ?
**Marlin is $50 cheaper, has a heavier and better rifled barrel, a bit more accurate out of the box, a rather strong trigger pull (9 lb.s?) and a generally disliked after market 25 round magazine option. $150
**Ruger 10/22 is easy to modify has lots of after market parts, has a take-down version that can be pulled into two have for backpacking, has a 2.5 lb. trigger pull, is between $50 and $150 more expensive depending on version chosen, and is still a pretty decent semi-auto .22 $200 -$369
I’m thinking of going with a base 10/22 for $200 but that Marlin keeps a’taunting me.
I think I’m going to get the ruger 10/22. I am told it is much easier to strip and clean.
Only buy magazines made by Ruger if you get the 10/22. No one else seems to be able to make them feed properly.
I wish I could find a marlin 70PSS Papoose. I probably can’t really afford it though. And it doesn’t look like much of a swimmer.
“Boehnerfag’s a slutty little whore for fascism”
Careful, or people might assume that you have hate in your chicken recipe.