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On the ethics of altering reader comments

Personally, I have no (philosophical) qualms with altering the comments of a troll whose sole purpose in posting here is to launch personal attacks against me or one of my commenters —though, since the blogosphere’s grown and I’ve become something of a high-profile site, I have taken to using brackets and italics, etc. (on those few occasions where I’ve altered a comment) to signal that I’ve done so.

It wasn’t always thus, however—and I make no apologies for defending my personal space in the way I’ve seen fit.  In fact, I once counseled Rightwingsparkle that altering the comments from a troll spammer is one way to frustrate him and get him to give up posting.  Which is a lot easier (and less permanent) than simply banning him (or her). 

And of course, nobody active in the threads where this has occurred has ever been confused by what was going on.  (Incidentally, another way to frustrate such commenters is to elevate their comments to a separate post.  I’ve done this on several occasions, as well—including one particularly famous instance).

I bring this up because recently both Patterico and Cathy Young posted on the altering of someone’s comment on a leftwing site.  Personally, I think the rare circumstances where I’ve altered comments are entirely different from the circumstances involved in that case (and, for what it’s worth, Patterico agrees); and I don’t think I’ve deployed the tactic on more than a handful of trolls—though I couldn’t give you a number (this site does, after all, date back to 2001).  But be that as it may, I suppose I’m guilty of the same general offense—though anyone who is to trace back through my comment threads would readily see that I allow quite a lot of leeway for people to post what they want here, and that only someone looking to attack me unfairly would seriously make the claim that I am somehow uncongenial to dissent.

In fact, my comment threads are rife with personal attacks on me.  Very seldom have I deleted comments.  Even less so have I altered them. 

Anyway, I just thought I’d lay this out because Patterico informed me a few moments ago that our old friend Retardo is making new threats against me.  To wit:

[…] despite your best tricks at washing your site (it’s really too bad I couldn’t have a laugh at you with regard to the Liberal Avenger comment scandal, since you’re the original comment-manipulator, though you’ve now cleaned those up to look real innocuous, clever guy; did you and Pattycakes arrange that?), I still have a shitload of incriminating links, enough to do 3 or 4 more comprehensive posts on your silly politics and personal ummm defiencies as demonstrated through violent and sexual threats. Now I could be lazy and NOT humiliate you any more than I already have (tick, tock , tick tock — A Pasty Boy Mystery: While The Cock Ticked), but if you decided to use what you dug out of my myspace, then you’d force me to work a bit harder. Unnerstand?

My response to this is brief:  Go ahead and throw together however many more “Adlerian” analyses you want, J*sh.*

Cobble together more out-of-context quotes, dig through my archives, create narratives of my perversions, spread them around like pixy dust, for all I care.  I’m not at all humiliated by them.  If anything, they bespeak your rather perverse obsession with me—which I take it is why you don’t use your own name.  After all, you’ve probably convinced yourself that it’s somehow less creepy when you use a persona to go digging through my trash and peeking into my windows.

Besides. Those who take you seriously will take your hit pieces seriously no matter what I say.  And those who don’t, won’t. 

But of course, it doesn’t help to make threats like the one I’ve just excerpted, because when you do, honest people—regardless of their ideological bent—might be tempted to question your motivations.  The smart ones already have.

****

update:  I’ve emailed links to this post to both Patterico and Cathy Young.  Let the great CREDIBILITY WARS begin.

100 Replies to “On the ethics of altering reader comments”

  1. Rob B. says:

    Retardo….

    The name pretty much says it all.

  2. Mikey NTH says:

    My understanding of blog etiquette is that the site owner sets the rules.  All commenters are guests and should comport themselves as such.

    Altering comments?  well, fine, but i always think that an indication that it is being done (some of us men think subtle is “grab by the lapels and shake until the fillings fall out”) is appropriate.

    Just my two cents.  If someone comes in and is rude to the host and his other guests he should be mercilessly mocked.  Roman style.

  3. Mark says:

    Retardo! Consider yourself unmercifully mocked. I hope Retardo has a large box of Bandaids before he crosses swords with Jeff.

  4. Bane says:

    I like to alter the comments of particularly virulent trolls to make them tell me how much they love me, and offer me filthy degenerate sex acts. And then turn them down.

    I will alter certain forbidden words (blasphemy, anybody can cuss all they want) and I have a no asterisk policy, so I replace asterisks with the correct letters, but I leave a notification in those that I did it.

    Altering reasonable speech in a reasonable debate is unforgivable, and I won’t return to a place that does that to me or others. What’s the point?

  5. nawoods says:

    Is it just me or was the blog world much more fun and interesting when people didn’t take themselves so damn seriously?  And what the hell is with this Retardo guy?  Jeff, if you want to make some money, you should start an anonymous left-wing site and do nothing but bash yourself and other “wingers” 24-7.  With your talent you’d be in Atrios traffic territory in no time.  Then you can just sit back and watch all that crazy blog ad revenue roll in.

  6. Pablo says:

    Did you send a link to the Greenwald-Ellersburgs? ‘Cuz they’ll be all over it!

    Umm, Pasty, the provocation is the google cache work you and Tacky did within minutes of each other.

    You looked at my site, motherfuckers!

    I still have a shitload of incriminating links!!!

    Ha! I’ve looked at your site, motherfucker!

    Grow up, Retardo.

  7. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I’ve thought about it, nawoods.

    And Bane is precisely correct:  altering reasonable speech in reasonable debate IS unforgivable.  And in fact, I go out of my way at times to try to GET reasonable debates going.

    Sadly, this tends to be a losing proposition, but on a number of occasions (most notably with some of the less strident feminist sites), I’ve managed.

  8. McGehee says:

    From my blog’s comment policy:

    I have total control over all that happens here, and your only safeguard is my goodwill…

    I’ve altered comments too, but as best I can remember they were all posted by one singularly detestable troll who, apparently, eventually followed all the advice he’d been getting from his targets and got a life.

    As for deleting comments, I’ll quote myself again (if I don’t, who will?):

    Comments do get deleted around here (though there are worse things than having a comment be deleted)…

    I think over the four years I’ve had a commentable blog, I’ve done about equal parts deleting, altering, and just leaving the offending comments there for the Google cache to collect. That last has become my favorite “worse thing.”

  9. cjd says:

    You never should have used the word c*ck, Jeff.  It’s all Black Oak Arkansas can think about now.  I guess the old saw isn’t quite what I thought: You can lead a horse to water, and if ya ain’t careful, he’ll really want to drink.

  10. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I don’t know how to use Google cache, honestly. But others do, and they’ve sent me things.  Which I look at from time to time when I need a smile.

    DRAVEN!

  11. Patterico says:

    My response to this is brief:  Go ahead and throw together however many more “Adlerian” analyses you want, Josh.

    “J*sh”?

  12. TODD says:

    You know Jeff,

    I don’t visit those sites for a reason, but after linking to it, I sense a deep resentment towards you there, ya think?  Such anger and hatred looms in those dark corners.

    Excuse me now, I must wash….

  13. what you dug out of my myspace

    Um, generally speaking, isn’t stuff on myspace, well, public. Is looking at a publicly accessible web page really “digging”?

    And, really, what can you say that would make someone who voluntarily took on the name Retardo look more foolish?

  14. Pablo says:

    “J*sh”?

    Fitting, ain’t it?

    I see little fists all balled up and full of righteous angst.

  15. PMain says:

    Jeff,

    Let him write whatever dribble he wants, as long as it isn’t any more of his poetry. My God, I’d rather be stranded in a cabin for a month w/ the entire Osmond family on a coke binge, then read more of his prose.

  16. JohnAnnArbor says:

    Wow.  What a degenerate LibAvenger must be.  Alter a comment in the most hateful way possible, just because you can’t handle the politics of it.  Then deny you did it and claim people are making it up.  Then say you DID do it, but it was no big deal to make it look like a commenter had committed incest with his (recently dead) sister, and that anyway the commentor deserved it for posting a comment you disagree with (mischaracterizing the original comment in the process).

    What unadulterated narcissistic hatred.

  17. BumperStickerist says:

    All I know is that my comments when submitted are erudite, witty, full of mots both bon and juste, with nary a syntax or grammar error.

    How they end up reading like I suffered a series of mini-strokes while typing them is a mystery.

    a pasty, pasty mystery.

    .

  18. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I look at it this way, if people don’t find me reliable or trustworthy, they can do with that observation what they will.

  19. OHNOES says:

    I feel sorry for leftists like LA and Retardo… they are wrapped up in a perverse hatred that defies reason.

  20. happyfeet says:

    I feel sorry for Britney. She’s bald and crazy.

  21. Matt, Esq. says:

    If you have to tell someone you’ve humiliated them, you haven’t really humiliated them. 

    Seems obvious but I’m here to help the less enlightened =)

  22. TODD says:

    I feel sorry for France. Nation of pussies…..

  23. I’m sorry for the way things are in China.

  24. dicentra says:

    Perhaps this “Retardo” is desperately hoping to become an Internet verb…

    Hey, you did it for D*b.

  25. happyfeet says:

    Hervé Villechaize was born in France. That sure didn’t end well.

  26. Big E says:

    I don’t really see what the big deal was with the Liberal Avenger changing the comment.  It was obvious, I think, to anyone who read the thread that the comment was not put out there by Carlito.  Not to mention the fact that, for a raving loon lefty, it was kind of funny.  Granted he shouldn’t have done it and he’s obviously not a person who wants to have a serious discussion about stuff but in my opinion no big deal.  Oh, and the stuff about Carlito’s sister?  Liberal Avenger didn’t know anything about that so there wasn’t any intent to hit below the belt.  A classier kind of guy would have apologized but…..

  27. mRed says:

    I can honestly (really) say that I’ve never altered a comment on my site. Not one of the 6 or 7 I have ever gotten. Honest.

    My policy is simple, if you come to my site, it’s your fault. Not mine.

    TW I perform24 inanities a day. Honest. I do.

  28. One time only have I edited a comment and flagranly announced: THE REMAINDER OF THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED.

    End of story.

  29. EFG says:

    For what it is worth, I think that altering any persons comments, no matter how trollish, is a bad idea.  Deleting is fine.  Moving them to a new thread is fine.  Adding snarky comments in [brackets] in the middle of their comments is fine. 

    But actually modifying them?  Seems bad, and here is why.

    Hypothetically assume that I make comments about Jeff Goldstein in his comments section.  I unfairly accuse him of crimes, and I further threaten him with physical harm, saying I know where he lives, I will track him down, will execute him with my shotgun, etc.

    Well, accusing him of crimes he didn’t commit seems like slander or libel.  Which is a crime.  And threatening him seems like a crime of assault.  So clearly, it seems like I can be charged with slander and assault.  And it seems like part of the evidence that will be used to convict me is the comments that I made.

    But if the host is in the habit of editing commenters words, then it seems like comments suddenly become much less useful, perhaps even meaningless in trying to determine if a commenter actually has committed a crime.

    The question of anonymous internet personae vs real names doesn’t really change this too much in my opinion.  Although I do have much respect for those who are brave enough to put their real names on their blogs.

    But it is still wrong to modify comments.  Even of anonymous people.

    Let’s take Ace from “Ace of Spades” and Allah from “HotAir”.  Both are bloggers who use pseudonames.

    Let’s say I have some blog somewhere.  And lets say that Ace and Allah leave good comments on my site.  But I then quickly modify the comments to make them disgusting comments. Like Ace and Allah are both anti-Catholic bigots. And I cause an internet scandal against them.  And because I am clever and malicious, many people believe me, and traffic to Ace’s and Allah’s sites drops off.  So Ace looses some of that sweet blog money from his blog ads and can no longer afford his value-Rite-vodka.  And Allah is fired by Michelle Malkin.

    Now, I’m aware that my scenario isn’t the most plausable.  Granted.  But my point is that even anonymous names have real people behind them who can be damaged by manipulating and changing their comments.

    A bloggers blog is his castle.  His blog, his rules.  Just like his home.  So if I was at Jeff Goldsteins personal house as a guest (hypothetically) he would be well within his rights to tell me that I couldn’t talk about certain topics at the dinner table.  Or that if he got tired of my company, that I had to leave.  A real world banning.  Heck, if I refused to leave, he could even grab me by the scruff of my neck and drag me out.

    But what he wouldn’t be allowed to do is to do things like plant drugs in my pockets, and then use that against me as a reason that I have to leave.  Or at this dinner party, whisper in peoples ears slanderous lies about me that got his other dinner guests so angry that they kicked me out.

    OK, granted, my last paragraph is kinda weak sounding.  I’d need about 30 minutes to try to better articulate what my point is.

    But basically, even with a total troll who totally deserves getting deleted and banned and blocked and even reported to the police, altering his comments seems like a bad thing.

    Kind of like how it is bad for a cop to actually plant drugs on a drug dealer in order to get the conviction he needs.

    Finally, I am NOT saying Jeff Goldstein is like a dirty cop, planting drug on people.  But I do think that blogs and comments are a comparatively new thing, and maybe only now is the implication of what is possible to do with peoples comments starting to sink in.

    Anyway, technologically, it may be totally impossible to keep bloggers from messing with peoples comments.  If so, well that’s that.  But I think actually changing what a commenter wrote is bad news.

    Banning?  OK.  Deleting?  OK.  Fisking?  OK.  Chankging?  Not so OK.

    Just my two cents.

  30. Darleen says:

    Let me say I’m first amused by the handle “HTML Mencken”…based on a sour individual who delighted in his ‘enlightened’ Euro-centric elitism and his slash-and-burn but entertaining writing. A man obsessed with how his legacy would read yet enjoyed doing such things as publishing a hoax (Millard Fillmore’s bathtub) to ‘prove’ how stupid Americans “really are.” He was example one of Oscar Wilde’s definition of a cynic a person who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    “HTML” has all the piss but none of the talent of the namesake he lurks behind.

    But he does continue to prove that dogmatic Leftists have substituted politics for religion and are as fanatical and intolerant of infidels as the Islamists they apologize for. Their perception of reality is as warped as their moral compas and rules are for others, not them.

  31. happyfeet says:

    Turn and face the strange

  32. Boss429 says:

    Speaking of the person dicentra was referring to, looks like she’s caused sinner to decide to pull the plug on teh squeaky wheel at 6 CST.

  33. Jeff Goldstein says:

    EFG —

    What you say is potentially true, if said host was in “the habit” of doing such things (which I am not) and didn’t keep his logs (which I do).

    And as I said, since I became more high profile, I use brackets and italics, and generally even sign the post “-ed”].

    But then, in the earlier days of the blogosphere, nobody took themselves too seriously—least of all me. 

    Also, comments are emailed to me automatically by the EE software. So I always have a copy of the original comment. 

    But as I tried to make clear, it’s likely you can count on one hand the number of trolls I’ve done this to.

    And, not to sound arrogant, but until you’ve administered a site wherein you’re receiving sometimes a thousand comments in a day, constantly going through and deleting comments just turns things into a pissing match:  who can last outlast the other.

    Anyway, this is all moot.  I began marking these alterations a good time ago, so I’m only offering this post up to come completely clean.  Because, though I never sweated it, I’m certainly not going to let the fact that I changed, say, “you suck cocks, Goldstein” to “Gosh. Can i tell you how much I love your site?” back in early 2005 be used as to blackmail me.

  34. HTML Mencken says:

    Redact my name, please; it’ll save us both a lot of trouble. The rest is garden-variety blogwar, and is fine with me.

    “Public” is Protein Wisdom, elementropy, sadlyno. Public is not Goldstein’s Facebook (if he has or had one) or my myspace unless it’s a place from or to which the sites above link, in effect saying, ‘this too is part of my public persona, which I’d like to share with my audience’.

    I’ve answered your comment over there, also.

    Incidentally, one of the most hilarious comments I’ve ever seen was at.. Patterico’s, I think it was .. where Pablo argued that it was okay for him to use a pseudonym since it was a consistent identity. Obviously, I don’t deserve the same defense for some reason, but that’s beside the point, which is: By the divine rules of Pablo’s own God (Jeff Goldstein), Pablo is a coward! Anyway, I hope they both sort that out one day.

    As for me, I’d like to know if it’s *ever* okay by Jeff to use a pseudonym? Or only if one is a wingnut?

  35. jon says:

    Editing is supposed to be to make things clearer.  Making someone say something they clearly didn’t isn’t editing, it’s lying.

    Jeff, you may be many things (which I’d gladly list, but such things tend to take comment threads off-course), but you aren’t a liar.

    Now I’ll go wash.

  36. mRed says:

    HT,

    Never, never use a pseudonym.

    Sincerely,

    Pseud O. Name

  37. Darleen says:

    HTML

    That was a thread about sock-puppetry, right?

    Well, if you have a nom-d’blog and use it consistently, there is nothing inherently cowardly about it. Using numerous handles and pretending to be legion is not just wrong, but damned creepy.

    Almost as creepy as thinking anyone would bother doing “violence” to you.

  38. Pablo says:

    I’ve only edited one comment here, but I think it’s OK because the commenter was dead. And it was pretty obvious.

    As for Liberal Avenger, I’ll go with what Big E said above:

    A classier kind of guy would have apologized…

    And, a better human being wouldn’t have denied doing it and accused Patterico of falsifying the alteration, etc…

    And he wouldn’t have altered the comment just because he didn’t like the argument Carlito put forth.

    And speaking of douchebags, here’s our old friend Thirsty, via Cathy Young.

    The reason it is not a “blogosphere scandal” is that nothing that ever happens or has ever happened or ever will happen in a blog comments section is worth getting upset about for more than two minutes.

    While I largely agree, it seems to me that Professor Haggerty lost his freaking mind over a comment posted to his now deleted blog, and again over one posted here.

    If your concern about something that happened in a blog comments section lasts for more than two minutes, you may need to go get some perspective. Or seek medical attention.

    Indeed.â„¢

  39. Jeff Goldstein says:

    “Garden variety blog war”?  You scoured the internet for my comments.  You dig through my archives.  You sully my name at every turn.

    Me, I essentially ignore you—except when someone brings to my attention yet ANOTHER mention of me in one of your posts, which, generally speaking, are (sadly, yes!) nothing more than attacks on other bloggers.

    Listen, pal. You may think you get to define what a “garden variety blog war” is.  And I’ve been more than patient with you.

    In fact, as you know, I’ve had your MySpace link for ages. And I never used a bit of it in a post—even though the hit piece you put out on me was meanspirited, dishonest, and breathtakingly juvenile.

    I also had access to your poetry. Which, again, I didn’t elevate to the level of embarrassing exposure until long after you’d taken your public craps all over my writing.

    I’m telling you now:  find another target. I don’t take kindly to people working to drag my name through the mud, which is why I often defend myself in the comments sections of other sites.  And I particularly don’t like it when my attackers hide behind fake names while engaging in activities that border on libel.

    So far as I know, Pablo hasn’t posted a lengthy piece on you, calling you a psychosexually violent pervert, then spread that post all over the place, holding it up as his single greatest turd in a punch bowl filled with nothing but turds.

    When and if he does, you’ll get no beef from me should you want to expose him so that he doesn’t feel like he can trample on the reputations of real people with impunity.  Assuming, that is, you identity yourself by name.  Which of course you won’t.

    Make no mistake, though:  you are the one who continues coming after me.  And I’m not going to be blackmailed.

    There are no “garden variety blogwars” when you and your “army” of AV rejects are doing your best to damage my reputation with your soviet-style treatises.

    I don’t want to hear from you again.  If you want my advice?  Pick on someone who is less concerned about having his or her name tarnished.

  40. Pablo says:

    Incidentally, one of the most hilarious comments I’ve ever seen was at.. Patterico’s, I think it was .. where Pablo argued that it was okay for him to use a pseudonym since it was a consistent identity.

    Why don’t you link to it, J*sh? And what makes you think “Pablo” is a pseudonym? It’s no “Retardo”, I can tell you that.

    My personal information is out there on the blogosphere, but I feel no need to hand it to morons like you because, well, you’re morons and morons do stupid things. If you don’t want your info out there, cupcake, don’t put it in the tubes!

  41. Pablo says:

    Oh, and just for the record, Allah is the only God I hang with. wink

    Jeff is just a funny guy and a great writer whose work I happen to enjoy immensely. Plus, he’s a Joooo so it’s Yahweh or nuthin’ around here. Punk.

  42. Josh Trevino says:

    The most astounding part of all this is Ozark J*sh’s (AKA Retardo’s, AKA HTML Mencken’s) argument that a MySpace page is private. 

    Ye gods.

  43. Moops says:

    Even less seldom have I altered them.

    I’m not sure.  Shouldn’t this be “more seldom.”

  44. Jeff Goldstein says:

    depends on the actual numbers, I guess wink

  45. Old Dad says:

    I appreciate when my comments get edited. Christ knows they need it.

    Is there a fee? I’ve noticed some weird charges on my Walmart card. Hmmm…

  46. McGehee says:

    Public is not Goldstein’s Facebook (if he has or had one) or my myspace unless it’s a place from or to which the sites above link, in effect saying, ‘this too is part of my public persona, which I’d like to share with my audience’.

    And when you strut down Main Street with no pants on but a bag over your head, that’s not public either.

  47. Dan Collins says:

    Oh, for f*ck’s sake.  I’m the one who said that it was malpractice.

    Bad, bad Dan.  You should never have altered that reader’s comment to state that he’d had sex with his dead sister.  That was completely over the line.

    There.  That ought to teach that bastard.  Ilyka Damen was right: it’s no biggie.  It’s not like you’re smearing somebody by accurately quoting them.

  48. Dan Collins says:

    Last time I looked, I wasn’t Jeff Goldstein–or so, at least, discriminating readers of this blog tell me.  Denounce it?  I’ve always already denounced it.  The evidence is over at Pat’s place.

  49. BumperStickerist says:

    That LiberalAvenger shows up first on a google of ‘manshake’ illuminates the central problem with The Left.

    They’re halfwits and, as such, their Grand Plans backfire.

  50. Darleen says:

    And when you strut down Main Street with no pants on but a bag over your head, that’s not public either.

    When one is first teaching the game hide-n-seek to one’s y’ungins, said half-pint will excitedly run into the next room and cover their eyes, thinking if they can’t see they’re invisible.

  51. Pablo says:

    The most astounding part of all this is Ozark J*sh’s (AKA Retardo’s, AKA HTML Mencken’s) argument that a MySpace page is private.

    J*sh, if I’m not mistaken, you can actually make a My Space page private, can’t you? Which apparently, Retardo didn’t…

  52. Patterico says:

    It is kind of funny that HTML thinks myspace is private.  His page was plenty public when I looked at it months ago, when I was first told about it.

    He says he separated his myspace page from the Sadly, No! site, but he bragged about writing for a major lefty political web site on his myspace site, so the separation was hardly complete.

    HTML said on Sadly, No!:

    Ahh, but now it’s too late, Tacky. Pasty already posted my name and won’t retract it. Patterico was there to quickly repeat it, and carry it back to his cave where he’ll no doubt be busy with research for the rest of the evening. All hell’s broken lose.

    Calm down, buddy.  I don’t need to do any research.  Like I said, I’ve known about it for months.  It was worth a chuckle, and then I moved on.

    Also, it’s weird that he’s acting like his first name was published here today for the first time.  I hadn’t noticed it before (or remembered it from the myspace page), but as someone noted about, Jeff already posted it last month.  No particular hell appears to have broken loose since then.

  53. happyfeet says:

    Every time I comment here a little email is sent directly to Mr. Goldstein. You people just keep that in mind.

  54. Josh Trevino says:

    Pablo, Ozark J*sh did make his MySpace page private after he realized Jeff Goldstein found it.

    Suffice it to say, as Ozark Josh has stolen and posted my own private wedding photos, I am unsympathetic to the hypocrite’s wailing now.

  55. Dan Collins says:

    Why are you singling out happyfeet like that, Jeff?

  56. Darleen says:

    I am unsympathetic to the hypocrite’s wailing now

    Oh cool…if someone wants to email me HTML’s pic maybe I can whip up a new ad campaign just for him!

  57. Pablo says:

    Pablo, Ozark J*sh did make his MySpace page private after he realized Jeff Goldstein found it.

    So then it was NOT private, but now he wishes it had been?

    Sounds like tough titties, doesn’t it?

  58. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Wait, I retracted it.  You know, like how the lefty hit sites like to use G*ldstein, or Godlstein.

    It’s read “J*sh” for some time now.

  59. Pablo says:

    Darleen, see the link in Patterico’s last comment.

  60. cranky-d says:

    Alright, here comes that traffic, baybee!!

    BECAUSE OF THE BLOGWAR!!

  61. Dan Collins says:

    gesundheit

  62. Pat Riotic says:

    Amusingly, the headline on his myspace page is:

    A sphynx without a secret

    But it’s now set to private!

  63. MarkD says:

    You mean people can read the stuff I write here?  Don’t tell mom.  Wait, she’s dead.

    You guys had me worried.

    We used to have an internal e-mail system at work that would let you delete mail you sent if the recipient hadn’t opened it yet.  It was quite the culture shock when we switched to a real e-mail system and that feature wasn’t available anymore.

  64. Darleen says:

    Pablo

    GEEZ, how did I miss that one? (oh…that’s right.. hubby and I were busy trying to nail down purchasing a house)

    gotta say though I think I’ll bookmark some of that Retardo “poetry” … there is something weirdly remarkable about stuff that painfully bad.

  65. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I don’t want traffic from this.  I don’t want anything to do with the folks at Sadly, No!  They’re internet poison. 

    No thanks.  I’ll get my traffic with posts about BRITNEY!  At least then I won’t feel dirty.

  66. Dan Collins says:

    A sphynx without a secret

    That’s an Oscar Wilde character’s definition of a woman.

  67. Darleen says:

    Pablo

    You know what else is hysterically funny about the Sadly!No! regulars? One thinks that picking on the spelling of my name as Darleen rather than Darlene somehow makes me a Southern trailer trash mouth breather.

    Good lord, I’ve heard more creative insults on a gradeschool playground!

  68. Enlightened says:

    Jesusmarynjoseph. As has becoming crystal clear, J*sh is a Cluster B, NPD as per the DSM-IV, clarified in the ISD-10.

    Give his ass some Wellbutrin and stop enabling him.

  69. Pablo says:

    Darleen, I’m sort of partial to the one who’s apparently been watching me for years and yet thinks I should somehow be disheartened at not having the most amoral person I’ve even known still intricately involved in my life.

    Someone should run an insult clinic for these ‘tards. They’re really not good at it.

  70. Patterico says:

    Good lord, I’ve heard more creative insults on a gradeschool playground!

    You mean like Tacky?  And Pasty?  And Pattycakes?

    Those kind of creative insults?

  71. Pablo says:

    Oh, and notice the revolving nics. Why do these rabid leftoids always want to hide themselves?

  72. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Believe me, Enlightened, I didn’t want to put up this post.

    But the last thing in the world I’m going to do is sit back and let some third-rate smear artist threaten me with future attacks if I don’t bend to his will.

    He can post whatever he wants about me.  What he can’t do is stop me from answering back in any way I see fit.

    Jesus, how I love personal autonomy.

    Ball is in his court.  Like I said, I’ve been content not to bother with the SN! fucks.  But they just can’t seem to let go of their hardon for me.

  73. Patterico says:

    Not to mention, everything is made as personal as possible.  Pablo: is your ex-wife sleeping with someone else?  Guess she is.  Haha!  Jeff: did you finish your PhD yet?  Didn’t think so.  Haha!  Etc.

  74. Chris says:

    Like a less intelligent Keith Olbermann, Retardo obssessively focuses on a single individual as a personal nemesis, and ends up looking even more silly and immature than the person he is criticizing.

    Both Olbermann and Retardo should simply admit their respective man-crushes and get it over with.  It’s not like they will lose respect from the left for doing so.

  75. Darleen says:

    Oh comeon, Patterico, “Pattycakes” is kinda cute!

    wink

    Well… at least when it’s tossed out like “Tacky” and “Pasty” you KNOW you’re dealing with someone who picks his nose while he is driving thinking no one sees him.

  76. The Jeff Goldstein Story says:

    In the land of the stupid, the half-stupid man is king.

  77. SteveG says:

    I think it’s the “cock” thing… the guy obviously prefers “hind tit”

  78. Pablo says:

    Pablo: is your ex-wife sleeping with someone else?

    Yeah, her second husband. Ands God only knows who else. Wait ‘til I tell my second wife! wink

  79. Darleen says:

    Pablo

    Damn, maybe I should let it drop over there I have an ex-husband. I’d get a bushel full of giggles of them trying to hurt me by them insulting him. I’d actually want to save the creative ones to see if they come anywhere near what I’ve called my ex!

    guffaw

  80. McGehee says:

    Not to mention, everything is made as personal as possible.

    One common thread running through the attacks that have been directed at me in various comment threads and emails—though not here, I hasten to note—is the use of the word “ugly.” And this after they’ve seen my picture.

    I think the next time it happens I’ll just reply, “I can get plastic surgery, but you can’t fix stupid.”

  81. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I’m particularly fond of “You didn’t finish your PhD, did you? Ha!”

    Which (leaving aside that it was my choice and that I was there on fellowship), let’s face it, is like saying, “You didn’t get a high dive for your built-in swimming pool, did you?  Ha!”

  82. One common thread running through the attacks that have been directed at me in various comment threads and emails—though not here, I hasten to note—is the use of the word “ugly.”

    I don’t know what it is about teh intranets, but the less-evolved denizens seem fixated on looks. Present company not excepted.  “Michael Moore’s a fatass.  Chortle!  Hillary’s got thick ankles! HAW HAW HAW!” I think it’s a function of the belief that, on the internet, know one knows you’re a dog.

    Trust me.  We know.

  83. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Well, to be fair, Angie, Michael Moore IS fat.

  84. Enlightened says:

    JG – I hear ya – your recurring problem with suckerDFfish is well documented. I wasn’t inferring you are the Enabler rather the Host.

    Nay, the third rate Remora that has attached himself to your underbelly (as Remoras will do) has predictably (as leftards with NPD are apt to do)latched – uninvited, via their sucking disk- onto the Host, enabling his desire for anothers scraps.

    Wellbutrin may hinder the sucking disks capabilities.

    Or continue the cock-off.  Either/or.

    http://www.gma.org/fogm/Echeneidae.htm

  85. cranky-d says:

    I don’t want traffic from this.  I don’t want anything to do with the folks at Sadly, No!  They’re internet poison.

    I can dig it.  But I know I always get what I don’t want.  I hope it’s different for you.

  86. Dan Collins says:

    Well, to be fair, Angie, Michael Moore IS fat.

    FAIRIST!

  87. Enlightened says:

    And you know, he of the asterik, has this going for him:

    “Their mouths are armed with many small pointed teeth…and their soft anal fins”

    It’s not Michael Moore, but it’s somethin.

  88. cynn says:

    I’m laughing so hard I hurt.  This is pure hilarity!  Picture this:

    A coupla badass blog posses face off on a dusty virtual street.  Boots scrape the dirt; chests puff menacingly.  The click of cocked keyboards.

    Antagonist 1:  Y’all are snoopin’ around, I’m gonna bring on the nuclear option!

    Antagonist 2:  You stole my gal!  You better apologize or I’ll kick yer butt!

    Antagonist 3:  Oh, yeah, you’re doin’ your own dumpster divin’!  Bring it on, wuss!

    Antagonist 1:  It’s on, hombrays!

    …. lock up the liquor, and run for your lives; it’s the battle of the

    LINKSLINGERS !!!!

  89. wishbone says:

    I’d rather be stranded in a cabin for a month w/ the entire Osmond family on a coke binge, then read more of his prose.

    Just to be clear PMain–are you on the coke binge or are the Osmonds?  It would make a difference.  In the first case, your heart would just explode at some point and in the second, you’d go mad, but stay alive.  Unless Jimmy and Marie got together and machete’d you.

    Feel free to edit this, Jeff.  You may possibly feel the need to insert a Jim Dandy Mangrum reference given the reappearance of you-know-who.

  90. Pablo says:

    Be careful there, cynn.

    ALL HELL IS BREAKING LOOSE!!

    Heh.

  91. cynn says:

    But it isn’t, Pablo, and that’s what’s so funny.

  92. Josh Trevino says:

    Like a less intelligent Keith Olbermann….

    The unkindest cut of all.

    ….Retardo obssessively focuses on a single individual as a personal nemesis….

    Yep.  Well, two or three single individuals.  But yeah.

  93. cynn says:

    Hi, Josh.  Why are you here?

  94. Enlightened says:

    What gives with the nutroots and JG?  I mean they are like moths to the flame.  Or suckerfish to the belly. Check Patterico to see how LA fucked up in an attempt to bomb PW.

    It must be the retardo thingy.

  95. Pablo says:

    But it isn’t, Pablo, and that’s what’s so funny.

    Exactly. wink

  96. jamrat says:

    Calling Jeff’s cock slapping jokes “violent sexual threats” just seems so…. pussy.

  97. PMain says:

    Sadly No! : Where groupthink meets the inner workings of a circle jerk

  98. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Besides, who’s afraid of being beaten by my pet rooster, anyway?

  99. Stanley Caldwell says:

    Me, I’ve yet to see an adult on MySpace … at least not one that wasn’t trolling for a little pre-pubescent action.

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