From “punditron,” writing at Daily Kos:
Today, we can see again what Britain gets for being a staunch ally of Bush. They get home-grown terrorists, bombings, and more terrorist plots.
BREAKING: BUSH TO BE RETROACTIVELY BLAMED FOR IRA BOMBINGS.
You have to wonder what exactly are the benefits of hitching yourself to George W. It’s like when you consider making an investment or major purchase. You look at the pros and the cons. We all know what the cons are: your people become a target for terrorists, and you breed your own terrorist cells.
And of course, you help the world fight Islamic terrorism—a movement whose stated goal is to bring back the Caliphate and destroy the decadent west. But why fight when you can simply pretend the threat doesn’t exist and throw all your resources into getting Ned Lamont a Connecticut Democratic primary victory?
So, what are the benefits? Ummmmm, well, uhhhh, okay not many. Blair has sold out his people so he can cozy up on Bush’s lap. Tony is like any other man in power, he wants to more power himself, and be closer to those who have even more power.
I forget. Why wasn’t Blair doing this before Bush was elected? And what is his motive, exactly? I mean, he’s already Prime Minister. Is he looking to overthrow the monarchy? Is there a European Czar position available, and he’s hoping to burnish his CV?
Of course, to be fair, those of us who are concerned with an Islamist terror movement that has shown itself again and again williing to strike with no provocation (all the talk about “blowback” notwithstanding, as it studiously dismisses the reasons given by Islamic fanatics for their desire to destroy the west) are happy to see Blair trying to play a bigger role within an Old European community of nations grown increasingly soft and frightened.
But to suggest that somehow Bush is responsible for the breeding of terror cells in European countries (does “punditron” think the Attah cell in Germany was the result of Bush winning the 2000 election?) is to be engaging in revisionism on a staggering scale—not to mention, smacks of a concerted effort to ignore the actual “root causes,” namely, balkanizing multiculturalism (or, as is the case in France, ghettoization) combined with the proliferation of radical mosques and the disinclination of fundamentalist Muslims to believe themselves beholden to any laws not agreed upon by the Koran.
This has created de facto pockets of seceded territory throughout a number of European countries. And these are a direct result of utopian social planning running smack into the realities of human nature and cultural differences that can not be wished away by feel-good cosmetic capitulations.
But, hey, it’s all good for Blair. Like Bush, he has his own security and is insulated from the world. If terrorists strike, they’re not going to get him or his family anyway.
Uh huh. Ever see a secret service agent take a jet fucking airliner in the chest for a President? Heroic, sure. But ultimately a pretty futile gesture…
This explains further why Bush has such a hard-core attitude towards foreign policy. No matter how dangerous he makes the world, he doesn’t have to care one little bit. He has his own plane, cars, security staff, etc. Bush can turn the entire world against us (aren’t they, already?). But, he can come and go throughout the world as he pleases without a scratch.
How dangerous he makes the world? Where was “punditron” on 911? Was that Bush’s doing? Blair’s? How about the Cole bombing? Khobar towers? The first WTC attack? And on and on.
Islamic fundamentalism has been striking for years. That they’ve upped the level of their attacks—and that they thought the late 90s a good time declare war on the Great Satan and the west—speaks to precisely the opposite conclusion drawn by “punditron” and those like him. To wit, Bin Laden thought the west weak. He thought his Islamist movement was now the “strong horse.” And many in the Arab and Muslim world agreed—which is why he was able to gather the resources to put together such a vast network, even finding some state sponsers. Why did he think that? Because we kept letting them hit us.
Combine this with Iran’s aggressive posture since at least the 1979 student revolution, and it’s clear that religious radicals in the Muslim world have been at war with us for decades. We just notice more now because their technology is more sophisticated, and because Bush had the temerity to rip the Band-Aid off and expose, to the eyes of the world, the festering sore beneath that inattention has allowed to grow putrid.
So, here’s the plan to make Bush and Blair come back to reality. Make these idiots ride commercial aircraft, ride the subways, and walk the streets like the rest of us. Let them be exposed to the results of their reckless foreign policies. Plus, do that for their families. Then, we’ll see if they want to engage in their cowboy attitudes towards the rest of the world.
An interesting variation on the chickenhawk meme to be sure, but why stop there?
Why not demand Blair and Bush pick up a pistol, put on a ten gallon hat, and march themselves into the badlands of Pakistan?
Christ. These people are children. And to think—they might be controlling the Democratic party one day soon?
A far more frightening thought that boarding an airliner, I can tell you that much…
(h/t gahrie)
So, George Bush makes people blow themselves up. Islam is not a factor.
Why don’t I feel the need to expodemyself in a crowd of moonbats?
They will be controlling what’s left of the Democratic Party . . . which won’t be much.
OK, I finally admit it. Rove is a genuis.
What better way to prove what a horrible choice Lamont is than to have a terrorist plot exposed the day after he “wins” the dem primary?
All we need now is for Ned to proclaim there is no terrorist threat in this country.
This is not immaturity.
It’s a self-contained, self-referential delusion.
Any problem can be blamed on the selected scapegoat.
Any unfavorable timing can be explained by the workings of powerful manipulators.
The absence of evidence (or other factual discrepancies) can be explained by a vast conspiracy.
These are paranoid delusions. (At a relatively high level of development, actually.)
Not merely children, but forever emotionally retarded children.
These people are too incompetent to be allowed to work at a drive-thru.
“This explains further why Bush has such a hard-core attitude towards foreign policy. No matter how dangerous he makes the world, he doesn’t have to care one little bit.”
Typical. The looney left consistently applies their own logic, their own agenda, their own shortcomings to those they wish ill. They tend to project their own looney conspiracy-laden theories to the object of their affection – Bush or Blair – dealer’s choice.
It doesn’t matter that Bush’s term ends with a new president in 2009. It doesn’t matter that Blair will at some point in the future either bow out as PM or relinquish the position to the next party in power. Logic doesn’t apply.
I agree with Gary, “They will be controlling what’s left of the Democratic Party . . . which won’t be much.”
“Ever see a secret service agent take a jet fucking airliner in the chest for a President? Heroic, sure. But ultimately a pretty futile gesture…”
Wonder how the secret service would train for that scenario? I’m wondering if this was the great surprise assinpajams had in store for the evil west on 22 Aug? Guess we’ll know when all the info is released. To bad the voice for al jizzera, the nyt, didn’t get wind of this. We would already have all the info, just not the suspects. I’m sure their not happy.
“Punditron”, huh?
Sounds like a real MENSA candidate.
It always amuses me when folks can’t tell their hole from an ass upon the ground. Which is most times in Leftyville.
SB: speak
troof ta pawah!
Man. The more the left exposes itself, the more depressing this country becomes. The amount of people who take shit like this seriously, and give this sort of rhetoric serious political weight, scares the everliving shit out of me.
This sort of attack (multiple suicide bombers on multiple airplanes detonating at roughly the same moment) was tried before. Operation Bojinka.
The year? 1995
The President: William Jefferson Clinton.
Bush’s fault?
The sort of candidates that cater to this crowd simply cannot be let anywhere near the levers of power. Too dangerous.
It’s all done with giant Nerf planes. Saw it on Discovery Channel.
*MIGHT* be in control of the democratic party?
I thought they already were….
Did you see CNN’s latest opinion poll? “Do you think the government is overreacting to this event?”
WTF??????
Um, anyone actually disptute the notion that these people only vote the way they do because they are ignorant?
Further, said ignorance is encouraged by the people they vote for.
I am confused, is the terrorist threat real, then? Does this mean I do have a reason for constantly cowering in fear and pissing myself multiple times a day?
Hm, though I think the paragraph
is a little overstated. They are clearly referring to trying to gather more powers within the current position, a la Nixon…
Which with Blair apparently goes without saying anyway, at least that is what I hear from the Brits I know.
Of course, then again, that is how I would interpret it… they might very well be thinking that he wants to overthrow the monarchy or something… if it supports their pet theories, I guess.
But then again, Isn’t this kind of backhandedly letting Blair off the hook? “Oh, he’s evil, but you know, he can’t help himself. He’s been entranced by the greater evil of Bush.”
I guess they have a 7 circles of evil view of the world which is, of course totally correct and unchanging, that is, until they want to change it… maybe it looks kind of like
1st circle: Christianity/Judaism/Moderate Islam
2nd circle: Buying and selling for profit
3rd circle: Fast food & convenience food
4th circle: Fossil fuels
5th circle: Neoconservatism (in policy abroad and domestically)
6th circle: Unauthorized dissent
7th circle: Bush
Clearly some days the 1st circle moves down the abyss a bit, but I think Bush is definitely the prime evil right now.
I wonder if you could develop a program to surf google and find the number of times these things are measured negatively, to find out what hell looks like in the minds of the LLL on any given day.
Just sayin’.
TW: I wonder if there is an audience for this kind of nonsense…
If stupidity could be turned into $, the American left would make Ned Lamont look like a destitute panhandler. It isn’t the things these people say that is so amazing, it is that they can actually find the keyboard to type them out.
Ever see a secret service agent take a jet fucking airliner in the chest for a President?
I guess you haven’t seen the spoilers next season’s 24. I heart Aaron.
Dependence plays a huge part as well. Here we see the slave mentality of the Left as it is repeated again and again. Dat mean ol’ Bush, after all, caused Hurricane Katrina, Bill Clinon gave us a huge budget surplus, and Stalin made the wheat grow.
It really is a primitive way of thinking, but it explains the “It’s Bush’s fault” doctrine.
Submit or Children of Tock will Blackface all Tic!
TW Respect the purity of groupthink
I think it’s the direct result of a Marxist education. Liberal arts studies were hijacked by the Marxists back in the 70s and their attitudes have contaminated at least two generations.
For example, in their arguments you see appeals to the events of history, but history as taught them by someone who believes in historicism, the inability of man to effect the outcome of events. In other words, a Marxist. Thus, the profound pessimism.
They interpret everything else through the prism of class warfare, anti-capitalism and anti-westernism. Again, Marxist.
Finally, ‘framing’ is all these days, and it’s a concept inimical to determining objective meaning. When I debate my Lefty friends, they always accuse me of basing my arguments on ‘talking points’ instead of actually having a philosopy that guides my opinion. In other words, everything to them is propaganda. Propaganda is inescapable. And that’s yet one more legacy of Marxism.
The only way to eradicate this nonsense is to take back the universities.
But this never would have happened if John Kerry were president.
TW: I expect the planes would have blown up right on schedule.
Not to mention their obsession with revolt and revolution, yet another legacy of Marxism.
What are they going to do when Bush is out of office? Guiliani Derangement Syndrome just doesn’t have the same cache…
I smell campaign poster:
Ned Lamont: NOT a terrorist target.
Islamic zealotry + Marxism = crazy malicious.
Marxism requires the eradication of religion, as it’s a form of voluntary association that competes with the State for loyalty. It also is a source of fundamental narrative that interferes with the formation of a Marxist worldview.
Marxism targets the family, too, for similar reasons.
But Islamic supremacism can (and does) borrow from some Marxist tactics, even if it can never be truly Marxist.
This is too simplistic a view of where they’re coming from. Granted there are many parrots in the jackassery-based community just to be a member of a club, any club, that will have them. The core premise that the club officers operate under is BDS. For instance, punditron’s first thoughts before he wrote his screed weren’t that the response to terrorism is disproportionate to it’s threat. It was that Bush and any Bush supporters deserve to live under that threat because of who they are, not the position they’re in. He’d think the same of most of the commeters here (chicken hawk meme). If the president were Gore or Kerry and Blair supported them and the war on terror had progressed in exactly the same way, punditron would be singing their praises. Equally shortsided and treacherous clowns would have sprung up on the right to condemn Gore/Kerry and Blair and punditron would in turn condemn the clowns from the right – and be justified in doing so just as we are in condemning punditron now.
It’s not about being childish really. It’s about BDS. Which is nothing more than the expression of the angst rooted in the rejection of the logical processes of their superior intelligence by the hoi-poloi.
Recall that in the 90’s there was plenty of CDS – Clinton Derangement Syndrome – from the right.
Soon? It looks to me like they took over in 2004.
Additionally, comparing them to children is not fair….children are far more intelligent and mature than these clowns.
The other thing that strikes me about these idiots is how they sooo want to punish the impure i.e. those who don’t believe exactly as they do. Make Bush and Blair walk the streets…make their families walk the streets too! You see, it’s not enough to just punish them, the families must suffer too. Even, I’ll bet, the descendants unto three generations, or more.
Let them talk on, let everyone see what a dark evil cultural revolution of a fever swamp these pukes live in.
Excellent post Jeff.
CDS wasn’t as all-encompassing for the most part, though. If you will recall Newt and Barr and some of the boys got smacked down for going too far over the top with it, bi-partisan efforts were possible on some legislation, and as I recall judicial nominations weren’t the mindless pissing matches we are suffering through now.
The what party?
So does he “not care” when he’s putting on his bullet-proof vest before a Presidential debate? Bush for some reason thinks the terrorists are “not going to get him or his family anyway”, even after he and the First Lady were very nearly killed by a hand grenade?
I do. They vote the way they do in spite of evidence that their rationale for doing so is flawed. They reject that evidence because accepting it infers that the rationales for their BDS angst been flawed since the 2000 election. They aren’t ignorant. They are self-deluded.
There are good people in positions of political power from both sides of the aisle. One doesn’t have to agree with everything they do or say to recognize that. Not perfect people, but people you can trust to do the right thing when the chips are down. Leiberman is one of them. I don’t agree with his politics in many (most) arenas, but he did the right thing when the chips were down in the WoT arena for example. Others on his side of the aisle did and retreated from it for the basest of reasons – fear of the nutroots. Other still stand by their support for an offensive appraoch to the WoT. I hope Leiberman doesn’t trade off the right reasoning for the easy route to keeping his seat.
Then there are the pimps and whores in positions of political power like Kerry or wannabees like Lamont. They are the ones who will encourage any ignorance or delusion that will translate into attaining, maintaining, or increasing that power.
punditron and the rest of the jackassery-based community are missing a very important facet of yesterday’s results in Conneticut.
The nutroots made it a referendum on the war and by extension and direct reference Bush himself. The best efforts of the nutroots resulted in about 52% of the registered democrats in a state as blue as it gets to vote by proxy against Bush and his conduct of the war in a democrat primary. Very satisfying I suppose for a group with such a poor record of backing the right horse. The inference that they are ignoring when they tout their victory Tuesday is that by their own analysis of what the race was about, of the democrats motivated enough to vote in the primary and with as comprehensive a campaign the as the nutroots could muster…48% of the registered democrats in a state as blue as it gets voted by proxy for Bush and the war in a democrat primary.
Don’t think that inference has been lost on a lot of politicians looking at close races in the fall.
Speaking of chickenhawks, why hasn’t punditron put his life on the line by becoming a human shield in Lebanon yet?
I mean, if he’s actually serious about the positions he takes, isn’t that the logical thing to do? Or is he much more comfortable espousing his doctrine of love from behind his keyboard in his life partners’ (read: parents’
basement?
I don’t recall anyone blaming Clinton for a fucking hurricane.
B Moe,
The reasons for that are in the BDS ‘we’re no much smarter than you’ core belief. That wasn’t a part of CDS so there wasn’t as much increased anger over being shown to be jackasses.
I have a new name for these people who have their heads in the sand and blame everything on Bush:
Nedbollah
I BLAME OLIVER STONE!!!
Ringy, dingy, dingy…..went the alarm clock. The day is here, my friend.
Question regarding the foiled terror attack: Since the plotters were all home-grown, when is the government going to start prosecuting sedition? These guys didnt’ get their ideas from nowhere.
I am a recovering Clinton Hater. Yes, I too suffered the debilitating effects of CDS. I’m also a survivor, though, and today, I can laugh at the absolute looney tune nonsense that I actually considered possible. My treatment has been so effective, that I can actually see where Clinton governed as a “moderate”, signing Welfare Reform and participating (reluctantly, but participating) in the deficit reduction budgets that Newt’s House pushed through.
So, I can say with absolute moral authority, such as Mother Sheehan possesses, that BDS is a far more virulent, destructive, mind altering and sould shattering disease that CDS ever was.
So, will Bush (or, by extension Lieberman) be getting any credit for not springng this before the Ct primary? There are so many times when “I question the timing” does not come into play, but they are conveniently forgotten when one springs up.
I voted for Clinton, which is why I was so damned disappointed when he turned out to have no control over his impulses. C’mon, it’s only 4 years.
Later, when I saw that video of him laughing at Brown’s funeral and then choking up when he saw the camera on him, he lost me. I wasn’t in the conspiracy camp, but I always turned the channel whenever his face cam on. I hate hypocrites.
At one time, I would have voted for Hill. No more. Politicians have to be rewarded for honor and integrity–character–not for being greedy and duplicitous.
No one should get their shorts in a knot either way over the timing of the announcement. Obviously, they had started purchasing tickets or indicated they were going to do so, and authorities couldn’t risk any more time on intelligence gathering. Anyone with common sense should accept that.
I do have a comment on the general assumption here that anyone who might have a more liberal attitude about anything is inherently ignorant. Punditron is quoted, and the suggestions are ridiculous – especially having the leaders of the two most powerful nations in the world ride commercial flights. But Punditron’s stupidity doesn’t necessarily apply to all people with some liberal views.
The next time Pat Robertson, a known idiot Conservative, speaks, do all you wish to have your IQs evaluated by his apparent dementia? After all he claims to press 2000 lbs with his legs and turn hurricanes with his power. Is that the balanced mind you want representing you?
I prefer to accept each man or woman for the strength of his or her individual argument – especially since most of the people I know are neither completely liberal nor conservative, but a blend of positions on a variety of subjects.
TW: Even Blair is a member of Labor which is liberal, but he and Bush get along famously.
Excellent fisking, Jeff, but this whole story is bullshit.
No terrorists were trying to blow up any airplanes. This is a ruse by the airline industry to keep people from bringing their own liquor on board the plane. Why let people have their own vodka in an evian bottle for free when they can charge $5 for a little Barbie sized bottle? The airlines aren’t worried about someone bringing their own liquid bombs on the plane; they’re worried about someone bringing their own liquids to get bombed on the plane.
Look for them next to find a reason to ban Xanax and space cookies.
dog: Don’t get us wrong. We’re used to being trolled by the hard left. Many of us are, in fact, liberals ourselves.
Liberals are not be confused with Progressives. The Progressives are the ones to which Jeff refers.
And wacktards like Pat Robertson don’t speak for anyone here (that I’m aware of). Certainly not for me.
The BDS hordes are under secret Rovian direction, publishing their mindless screeds so that the terrorists will read them, take heart, and come out of the woodwork where they can be utterly destroyed. Bwaa haaa haaaaah.
(As Ace might say, “layers.”)
Either that, or they’re just idiots studying to become morons.
I’m just sayin’.
tw: Stop. Stop the world; we want to get off.
Yes, there are some of those Christians here who are so hated by the left.
Some Christian discussion groups and boards have openly wondered if Robertson is getting senile. At the same time they also wonder why the lamestream media has to quote him everytime he opens his pie-hole. I can really think of only one good reason from their point of view: guilt by association. A good percentage of those who listen are also rolling their eyes and wondering why anyone puts stock in what the man says.
The next time Pat Robertson, a known idiot Conservative, speaks, do all you wish to have your IQs evaluated by his apparent dementia?
Several things to consider:
1. Michael Moore screened his propoganda film for the Senate Democratic caucus in DC.
2. Micahel Moore sat in ex-President Carter’s box at the Democratic National Convention.
3. I am not simply making a generalization about one person. There are tens of thousands of the Kossiac left.
4. Given 1,2,3 above, I think you’re making a bit of a streched argument. However, I understand and respect the point you’re trying to make.
Do you want to know how deluded we are in the west?
4 of the Toronto 17 are out on bail.
Someone has been TW:paid off.
Or else we are terminally stupid and doomed. I lean towards the latter.
Canadian courts != The West.
Maybe we need to close the northern border too.
Bruce: I think I might have timyurl’d that link, mself.
The really is the Catch-22 problem of a free society. In order to protect itself, it has to lose some of its freedoms. However, people in a free society are resistant to relinquishing their freedoms. And so it goes…
The left hates Blair so much because he is one of them. He is exhibit A that had Gore been elected instead of Bush, Gore would be doing the exact same thing Bush is doing. See, when you actually have power, and are responsible for peoples actual lives, you don’t have the luxury of paying attention to the Copperhead morons in your midst, even when they were your supporters. When you’re in power, you have bigger fish to fry…
yours/
peter.
So I am really confused. Is this plot just made up to cover for the Lamont win, or is it a real danger to the UK due to the whole Bush-poodle thing?
There are so many conspiracies going on, we’ll have to start giving out scorecards.
yw: hot. Is it getting hot in here?
“Canadian courts != The West”
Yeah, but under a “Democrat” President, which would be softer on terrorism.
At least in Canada, 13 are still in jail.
You obviously weren’t around NYC in the ‘90’s, when most of the Borough of Manhattan and all of the city’s media suffered from GDS . . .
As another PW’er recovering from CDS (VINCE FOSTER!!!), I just second what AFKAF said up at 12:08 PM. CDS was not pretty but many of us realized at the time that it was a problem and this was widely discussed in conservative/Republican circles.
TW: life just hands you these coinkydinks, don’t it?
Forbid it, O mighty God!
Please don’t associate these current idiots with detractors from the War of Northern Aggression.
As are most people here, and if you bring a reasonable argument to the table, as you have, you will basically be treated with respect. Most of the larger left wing sites are not this way, and the treatment of Leiberman indicates that dissent and individuality is not welcome in the Democratic Party anymore.
Frickin’ Taranto includes this among the bottom stories of the day (!): Heidu Klum Gets Her Own Bra
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/09/earlyshow/main1878157.shtml
Money quote:
“I would eat so many muffins and brownies, but more muffins. Like every day I would have a muffin, so they’d call me the ‘Muffin’ because I was always stuffing my face with muffins. I love them because in Germany we have no muffins,” she explains.
If you think that’s off topic, please write and tell me why.
If it was a Rove plot, why didn’t they reveal it two days ago, to engineer a Lieberbush win?
These people ARE children. They are clueless, hate-filled children.
I strongly suspect that once these infants are front and center in November, the GOP will comfortably hold both houses, and then the raving will really start.
Stories of Heidi Klum are never OT.
Oh, and general apologies for losing my cool and suggesting the whole torture to death thing. Mass murdering psychopaths tend to bring out the worst in me.
I’ve eaten more than a few “muffins” in my time (unfortunately, not Heidi Klum’s), but now that I am older, I have this aggravating habit of seeing the plate that the muffins are presented on.
Where are all the sane republicans? Has tye world gone mad?The left is disrespectful and childish?Maybe in your own little worlds.But this kind of slanderous tact will not stop the left from taking back our country and squashing the diabolical neocon agenda that puts corporate interests before people.