In a post I did a last Wednesday taking Glenn Greenwald to task for being such a disingenuous hack, a chap named “Wilson” showed up and wrote the following in response to another commenter’s curiosity about why so many “on the extreme Left consider Greenwald some kind of great constitutional authority”:
Lets see, a New York Times bestselling book on executive authority. Breaks a story on his blog about wiretapping that leads to front-page stories on most major newspapers in the country. Russ Feingold reads from his blog during the Censure hearings.
Maybe that has something to do with why. Any conservative bloggers with credentials like that? All compiled in 9 months or however long its been since he started blogging?
Jeffy’s funny poems are great and everything, and im sure your anonymous lawyer friends are really smart and all, but hard to say they compare to those things.
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on 07/12 at 06:23 PM
I didn’t give it much thought, really—after all, who gives a fig about Greenwald’s CV?—though I was considerate enough to thank “Wilson” for his kind words about my poetry.
But little did I know at the time that I may have in fact been in the presence of GREATNESS! Could it be? Are “Wilson” and Greenwald one and the same? Well, I don’t know. But it seems “Wilson” was posting from the same IP address used by a certain “Thomas Ellers” at QandO, and by a certain “Glenn Greenwald” at Patterico’s Pontifications [see update 3]!
Of course, there are a number of quite reasonable explanations for this: it may just be that “Wilson” is a good friend / houseguest of Greenwald’s and was posting from Glenn’s laptop; or perhaps “Wilson” the houseguest stole into Greenwald’s study between mimosas to post a quick comment—without Greenwald’s permission or knowledge!; or (and this would be ironic, wouldn’t it?) maybe “Wilson” doesn’t know Greenwald at all, and he has simply used some of them fancy NSA tricks to spoof Greenwald’s IP!
In which case, I’m still flattered that “Wilson” likes my “funny poems,” though—and I mean no offense if you happen to be reading this, “Wilson”—I’d also be a little disappointed. Because, well, you’re just no Glenn Greenwald, are you? I mean, when is the last time Russ Feingold read you on the floor of the Senate?
Anyway, for posterity’s sake, I’ve taken a screenshot of Wilson’s IP, which I’ll post below the fold. For his part, Greenwald is denying that this “Wilson” fellow is he. Now his partner, on the other hand…
The nerve! Teasing me like that!
Meanwhile, be sure to check out the whole of the story at these other fine wingnut sites: Ace, Patterico, Riehl, LGF, OTB, Hot Air, Red State, and Shawn.
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update: More from Dave Price, Bill INDC, Slublog, and Steven Taylor.
That’s just bad ergonomics there. You really want to be sitting in front of the PC with a chair of your own.
You’re forgetting the obvious explanation:
There are a number of Greenwald fans participating in a vigil outside of his residence, showing support to Greenwald’s ability to speak truth to power. Also, Mr. Greenwald’s wireless access point in wide open and unencrypted. That’s why the IP is the same—he’s got his most devoted followers piggybacking off of his internet connection.
Wonder if “Mona” has anything to add? Or is “she” just another sock puppet of GGs? I’m guessing the latter.
A new case of sock-puppetry?
Is actus another Glenn sockpuppet? Related?
Lawyers. From Brazil.
Or, is “Wilson” Andy Sullivan’s beagle?
I never did trust Wilson. You never saw the lower half of his face.
My money’s on Andy Sullivan’s beagle. Certainly, that dog has proven to be infinitely smarter than its current owner.
Greenwald’s explanation of “what really happened” has all the credibility of the stories teachers still get from kids who didn’t turn in their homework because “…my dog ate it.”
Wiiilllsoonnn!!!
How the hell does Tom Hanks’ volleyball post anyway? That was my first clue something was amiss.
Okay. Having read through a few of the posts Jeff linked (including Greenwald’s), I have a prediction.
Greenwald explains that his partner is Brazilian, and that they’ve spent much of the last year in Brazil. Notably, the oft-sed IP address in question is ascribed to a Latin American registry.
Greenwald will ultimately “discover” that his partner has been posting these supportive comments under different names out of a sense of fierce loyalty. Greenwald will “acknowledge” this, then offer a lukewarm “apology” for the “mix-up” while defending his partner as having been purely motivated and ignorant of the prevailing ethic against sock-puppetry.
Will this be the truth? Of course not.
TW: Honesty is the best policy.
Townhouse or its super-duper secret successor must be hot hot hot this morning. C’mon lefties, dig deep boys and girls to explain this away. Even as we laugh at y’all I’m sure George Soros is cutting y’all a big check that will make it all go away.
As I said at AoS,
A search of lexis finds only 26 reported federal court decisions in which Glenn Greenwald is an attorney for one of the parties. Few of those cases have any dealings whatsoever with “constitutional law” – which, of course, Greenwald never defines.
I have been practising for less time then him and have more reported federal decisions where I am an attorney and more that deal with constitutional law / civil rights issues. I defend municipalities, so practically my entire practice is “constitutional law” (i.e., excessive force, malicious prosecution, false arrest, 1st amendment, discrimination, etc.). But, I don’t think that is the type of con law expertise Greenwald is trying to sell. (and, it appears that my win/loss record is much, much better than Greenwald’s). If he had any interest in proving some kind of constitutional law litigation experience or expertise, he would point out article he has written or cite to cases he has been involved in. The fact that nowhere does he appear to do this speaks more volumes than anything else really as to his experience and/or credentials.
Despite my con law practice, I don’t claim to be a consititutional law scholar or expert. But, then again, we must define “scholar” or “expert”. I read a lot of articles put out by law school professors that I think are total Cr*p, but b/c they are law school professors, people think they are experts. So, who gets to define who a con law scholar or expert is or isn’t?
For instance, there are many who consider Juan Cole a Middle East scholar/expert -despite the evidence that he doensn’t know anything. And, as any lawyer knows, you can find an “expert” to say just about anything you want said on any side of an issue.
So, the left is going to always consider Greenwald a con law expert as long as he says what they want to hear, no matter how many times he is proven wrong or his arguments are dissected.
Based upon my reading of cases that Greenwald has been involved in, he was/is your typical plaintiff’s attorney. That, from me, is not a compliment in terms of legal skill or knowledge. But, who knows, maybe he was really good in front of a jury.
Ultimately, however, none of this matters. If we are going to be arguing with this guy, we should simply dissect his ridiculous arguments. Experience and background may be important for gaining initial credibility, but ultimately it is the strength of the arguments that matter. That is where we should be spending our time destroying this clown.
– GB
Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa! I’ve told you before, Jeff–assisted from time to time by others, you Are Become Death, Destroyer Of Leftard Blogworlds.
Cordially…
TW: GiGi lives in a glass house, and lookit what happened.
How can Wilson be a talking telephone pole? He’s a friggin’ non-verbal volleyball, fer crissakes!
TW: perhaps. Does the AI know something?
Johnny Catbird: That’s not what’s happening. Clearly, Greenwald has his own “Townhouse”-style email list that he sends to friends and family to coordinate their messages and blog comments. (It’s the only way to combat the well-organized right-wing message machine.)
Then comes the offical posting time after Sunday brunch.
If (as suggested by Ace) Mr. Greenwald is using an IP anonymizer, would such a service give him a unique anonymized IP? Couldn’t someone else using the same anonymizer end up appearing to post from the same IP address?
Sock puppets are cool! Not as cool as shooting hamsters out of a cannon, but still.
Wasn’t Greenwald’s book basically a put-up job?
Going for a walk with the kid.
BREAKING: Wilson emails to say, “Just saw Jeffy walking, and boy, does he look handsome and talented!”
Ya think the Boys From Ipanema are wearin’ thongs when they post? Cause that would be soooo hot.
Emersom[sic] tight bums.
Nah, Mona’s just a frontrunner. She made a series of conservative posts at Left2Right when it first opened comments. That was back when most polls showed majority support for Iraq. When the polls got dicey, she disappeared. When the polling showed her, again, what to think—only this time, the opposite of her previously firmly-held and “reasoned” position—why, she adopted that position instead. Still firmly-held and “reasoned”, of course.
Awful lot of work for a sockpuppet, and a long time brewing. Occam says she’s just a bandwagon jumper.
Say it ain’t so, Mona!
Like Deb Frisch, Glenn does not know when to let a subject die. His ego is so obviously twisted to go to this extreme of practicing sock-puppetry. It’s all so easy to discover (gotta love IP addresses), it’s right out of Internet 101. Yet, the practitioners of the blogosphere, who should know better, take the chance on being discovered, and being widely shamed, so that they sustain their delusions of grandeur or score some petty points in an argument.
It’s not sad. It’s sick.
This is too funny. Shame on you Glenn, you little rascal you!
I guess as someone with such limited blogging experience, he probably didn’t quite understand the nuances of the blogosphere and IP addresses.
Friggin’ n00bs…
Methinks this is where Greenwald jumps the shark. It’s not schedenfreud. It’s not wishful thinking. It’s just plain political fun.
I see ropes and pulleys and a petard involved.
Ok, still a little new to this world… what TW: mean?
This is hysterical. Joyner at OTB notes that the e-mail addresses of most of these commentors go bouncing across the ballroom floor.
TW: her. Mona? Probably not, but I wonder if the IP address is close.
How many people live with this guy???
TW = Turing Word, ReaganCon, the security word you have to make this post hum.
Bonus points if you can use the TW in a supporting sentence. Bonus bonus points if you can IGNORE ACTUS.
“Turing Word,” from “Turing Test,” for the brilliant Alan Turing, who left the world too soon. A Turing Test is something designed to tell a computer from a person.
Next excuse: Greenwald saw A Scanner Darkly over the weekend, and really liked the gag about posing as an impostor.
I CONDEMN JEFF “PASTEDIZZY OF THE HIZZY FRAUS” GOLDSTEIN FOR OUTING GREENWALD’S OBSESSION WITH FURRIES!!!
Or was it sockpuppets, I forget.
For the record. I am not Jeff. Not any of them.
I am not actus either.
Just to let you know, Jeff. If you ever did sockpuppetry like Greenwhatever, I would stop reading you and start mocking you.
It’s not a big deal but it’s kind of creepy and pathetic.
Wonder why blogs don’t just publish IP addresses perhaps scrambled non-randomly so that the readers can see for themselves where the posts are coming from?
Sock puppetry is all fun and igames until someone gets hurt. My co-bloggers and I would assume each others handles and then “come out of the closet” and have a big laugh. But someone always goes too far, assumes a moniker, and then starts sucking their own dick.
Noah–
I think you need a hobby.
In Brazil? And then look for people talking about him on American blogs? And then post his resume on them?
Hmmmm..
I like this thing called ‘blogosphere’ much beter when there’s a ‘flame’ going on… this ‘glib’ stuff is boring.
<Dynamic IP-vs-Static IP>
I once had yhis online poker site attempt to restrict my access because their security(software) told them I was playing in the same tournament on 7 different computers at once. That lead me to discover that Time Warner had set up their system in a way that made my entire neighborhood look like one big internet access point, kinda like some internet cafe with multiple terminals. Everyone had the same IP settings when they were logged onto a site that recorded IP addresses. They(TimeWarner) said the have/had the ability to determine who was where if they needed to check… they sure did fix it in a hurry!
I think it’s big business’s(IP) way of ‘skimming’ the customer. Most people on fast connections(100Mbps and up) can’t tell if they are sharing bandwidth with others in their area. Broadband providers can do much more than just check to see if your modem is working properly.
BTW… I know who Wilson is! He’s a caucasian psychotherapist that looks like a volley ball. But that was before Queer Eye For The Str8 Guy.
Once I was young and took the time,
To battle those who did me crime.
Now the clock just moves so fast,
I tell them simply, “Kiss my ass.”
Like, say, an MD5 hash of the IP, expressed as an alphanumeric string?
Coupla things:
o Some people post from different places over the course of the day.
o Sometimes multiple people honestly use the same IP address. From the same business, or house, etc.
But, it would be an interesting experiment.
The obvious title for this post is “The Boys from Brazil”. I’m a little disappointed, Jeff.
Mustard.
Ketchup.
Bye, bye, GiGi.
Once, when I was a moderator at a fandom site, we kicked out a troublemaker, who went ballistic and created no fewer than 100 sock puppets to harrass and torment us. It was a Yahoo group, so we could ban only on the basis of e-mail addys. We could get the IP addys only after she actually posted, and they were all identical, so we knew where they came from.
Except when she went to her kids’ school or the public library or her husband’s office to post. In which case, Whois became invaluable. We knew her physical address, so we knew how far away from her house those servers were.
Spent more time trying to suss out her sockpuppets than moderate the site for awhile there. Which was exactly her purpose: full-metal jacket.
She was a bipolar who had gone off her meds during a manic phase, and as an added bonus had a personality disorder. Not exactly Deb Frisch, but bad enough.
You know, a hash of the IP is a good idea. Invalid as far as an IP goes, but valid as a ‘thumbprint’. It would be unique per person but not identifying in any shape, form, or fashion.
So, if you saw two posts with ID’s of 127FW93A$910& you’d know they came from the same place, although you’d have no idea where that place is (and for the non-techies, a hash is irreversable).
All your sock puppets are belong to us.
It would be unique per IP address. Two people could be using my home network, and they’d have the same IP thanks to the router. 10,000 people could be using AOL and have the same IP.
However, it’s a start.
A post by a commenter named Jeff in this thread indicates that it was.
Maybe Wilson is Mrs. Joe Wilson, whose super secret covert identity won’t be disclosed by me. She’s gotta be hiding somewhere.
I mean, would you sue Rove? He’d send Cheney to shoot you in the head. Rove is the brain, you know.
Who’d think to look in Greenwald’s place? The only better spot I can think of is Andrew Sullivan’s dog house. Since they are of the gay pesuasion (not that there’s anything wrong with that, peace be upon you, feel free to substitute any other PC incantations I may not remember here), she doesn’t even need to worry about being hit on.
I meant by Glenn and Andrew, not necessarily the beagle.
Where’s the armadillo anyway?
Stumbled onto your site today. I think you are pretty damn funny and rather crazy, not unlike the late Hunter S. Thompson. I found your blog war with Dr Frisch especially riveting.
p.s. I’m one of those crazy lefties, but no moonbat, whatever the hell that is.
I really think this may be an unexpected twist in Blair’s Law, which states:
Glenn’s blogging in itself proves this law, but no one could’ve guessed that the useless force could converge into A SINGLE PERSON!!!–and it’s not even Andrew Sullivan. Folks, I don’t want to sound, you know, crazy, but with all the talk about the 12th Mahdi in Iran and all, and now this. Well, maybe it’s time to start digging that bomb shelter.
We must find how deep the rabbit hole goes.
If you wanna know your external IP, go here.
Here’s a list of anonymous proxy servers in Brazil.
Have fun.
Jeff, I’m still concerned about your dreams, and now this flattery of your poetry from GiGi. Thought this site might help you sort it out.
http://www.petrix.com/dreams/animals.html
Beware of vicious Dog dreams and above all, don’t let Owl or Parrot into your REM sleep. Hmmm…Parrots: Is a connection to sockpuppetry there?
This is why I often dream of “Ass” and tell my enemies to simply kiss mine.
So, he’s a sockpuppet playing a person who plays a sockpuppet? That’s positively Shakesqueerian.
I heard natesnake is hung like a Brammer Bull.
That’s very kind of you John Smith.
I’m sure I’ve posted comments under fake names at one time or another. Doesn’t everyone?
What I’m mad about is that it’s possible Greenwald himself likes my poetry and didn’t just come right out and tell me himself.
Because that would have been boss!
You may shun me if you wish.
Actually, nevermind guys. I just realized that anyone under the sun can type in a name and email address and pretend to be some blogger on pretty much any website they want. Short of getting a hold of ISP logs, there’s really no telling who Wilson is. My bad.
Damnation!
First it was Thersites, then the Frisch fry and now Greenwald!
Bloggers from the reality based progressive community can’t help themselves and are drawn to you like moths to a candle flame. Only to crash in flames in the darkness of their own souls.
How do you do it?
Natesnake is very smart too. He’s has an IQ of 141.
Did I mention his enormous member?
I must insist that you refrain the compliments John Smith. You’re making me blush.
Hmm. That second Jeff Goldstein comment comes from somebody who’s posted here previously as Adam and Eric.
Weird.
I think that sockpuppetry is reprehensible and all who practice it should be fondled by leprous lumberjacks with rough hands.
I once heard that natesnake scored 4 touchdowns in a single game. All of them with his Magic Johnson.
Why Goldstein you say?
Kinda Orwellian, the obsession they have with Jeff.
Hey, they are speaking truth to pooter, er I mean power.
TW: them? – no hiiimmmm!!!
Still, nobody’s asking the important question:
How Would a Sockpuppet Act?
I think a sockpuppet would act about as well as the person who is sockpuppeting them. In Greenwalds case… he’d act like an ass.
TW:not… now I’m washing my sock puppets.
uh, is leprosy contagious?
‘cause if not, I’m down with that.
as long as its a rough fondling.
It’s got me ready to throw myself in a dryer.
A Protein Wisdom Comment Fiction by Natesnake’s fan club.
One day, natesnake was sitting by the pool, reading the latest novel by Richard Marchinko which hasn’t even been written yet, because he is so badass, and a pair of foxy ladies strolled by, so natesnake gets up from his breakfast of 100 eggs and a hamhock of bacon, with a slushie of tequilla and orphan tears on the side. Natesnake just slips the towel down to his Ankles of Doom and their in the cool spring morning, the Glory and Magnificience that is He suddenly hotted the joint up like it was a bunch of hippies firing up a kiln, which if that was the case, natesnake would have doubtless thrown the hippies in with the other useless crap.
So natesnake is getting down with these two hot chicks and they turn out to both be triplets. Then their mothers come over, and they are hot too, so hot they ditched their husbands just to hang out as natesnake does unspeakable things to their daughters, but even the new stop moms show up and so natesnake just pleasures them with 23 multiple orgasms per minute, each, simultaneously, in his floating castle of Glory and Freedom and Doom, which hovers one hundred feet above ground at all times and is protected by hundreds of Bald Eagles with M16s and chainsaws.
And I said, “God Damn, natesnake is the friggin’ man.”
And this cowboy steps up to the bar with more bling than Mr. T, and 18 inch pipes and the front of his trousers fuller than three kittens wrestling under a blanket.
And Verc said to me, “Fucking Aye, man, fucking aye. The Dude abides.”
The Dude abides. If there wasn’t a natesnake, we, my friends, would have to invent him. We all need a hero, a savior, a man that can take all of the hot chicks out of our hands. We need someone like natesnake, a lover, a fighter, a juggalo, a poet, a romantic, an S&M dominatrixee, our Captain and our fondest keeper.
Amen.
I do not use aliases.
Not that this is the forum for it, but Verc is such a generous guy. Did you know that Mother Teresa referred to him as “Christ’s Earthly Hands”? The children flocked to him in Calcutta.
And he’s loaded too. He has like five Pontiac Fierros. Women love him. Men want to be him.
BTW, I am protecting the family of baby seals that natesnake must ritually club at the rise of every new day. But if you include that, all of the rest of it was true.
Here’s the original:
“Brahma”
If the red slayer think he slays,
Or if the slain think he is slain,
They know not well the subtle ways
I keep, and pass, and turn again.
Far or forgot to me is near;
Shadow and sunlight are the same;
The vanish’d gods to me appear;
And one to me are shame and fame.
They reckon ill who leave me out;
When me they fly, I am the wings;
I am the doubter and the doubt,
And I the hymn the Brahmin sings.
The strong gods pine for my abode,
And pine in vain the sacred Seven;
But thou, meek lover of the good!
Find me, and turn thy back on heaven.
—Ralph Waldo Emerson
Here’s the parody:
Brahma
If the wild bowler thinks he bowls,
Or if the batsman thinks he’s bowled,
They know not, poor misguided souls,
They too shall perish unconsoled.
I am the batsman and the bat,
I am the bowler and the ball,
The umpire, the pavilion cat,
The roller, pitch, and stumps, and all.
—Andrew Lang
Now, have your go at something about GiGi. Because apparently his “right-hand man” likes poetry.
Sort of off topic but timely – while we’ve all been playing with our sockpuppets Kofi annon has done his usual sockpuppet act by stepping up and issuing a hard hitting declaration:
“…and therefor I am calling for an immediate cease fire in the hostilities, and a reduction of the disproportionate attacks in this ongoing conflict….”
Great. He decides to call for something that is never going to happen, and at the same time gets a shot in at the evil Zionizt aggressors.
– Why do we continue to support this asshole and his bankrupt organization?
That Lost my Cookies guy got thrown out of the Miss America pagent for causing every contestant except Miss Rhode Island to have spontaneous multiple orgasms. It’s true because he said so.
Is this the same Lost My Cookies guy with testicles the size of tangerines?
Anybody see Lost My Cookies in here? He ruined Jada Pickett Smith for me. Now it’s like throwing a hotdog down a hallway. He even slept with my masseuse, investment banker, accountant, agent, and my own mama!
He had sex with my mama! Why?! Why?!
Get away from me, I’m impotent, bitch.
The answer for the UN is simple… it’s technically international property… I say we get like 20 kids from the Bronx and invade it…
If the UN sank into NY harbor and rested on the bottom of the ocean, eh, so what’s for lunch?
You know those soft steamy summer nights when the moon rises just above the tree tops and the young women stretch out langorously on the damp grass, biting their lower lip and nervously waiting…waiting…
Lost My Cookies invented that. Third grade math project for Catholic Schools week. Called it “Multiplication”
I’m having flashbacks to a Ray Stevens song. “Whatchu mean, whatchu mean what?”
But yeah, that post that was linked was the one I’d seen that made his book deal sound like a bit of a put-up job. Wonder if he wrote the cover blurbs himself? Or maybe the reviews?
I just spent an hour following all the links, and wow. I mean wow!
And then his defense:
So he’s rolling his lover? His mother, who? This isn’t sockpuppetry; it’s the fucking Muppet Show.
It’s time to put on make-up!
It’s time to light the lights!
Apparently pride doth cometh before a fall.
yours/
peter.
Glennliness is next to clodliness.
“If I could do that, would I be wasting time here?”
Hmmm.
I must say that “ed” certainly is an insightful fellow.
Hmmm.
Why thank you!
I’m neither this Greenwald fellow, nor actus.
At any rate, aren’t all attorneys armchair Constitutional scholars? I thought it was just The Way Things Are.
TW: would
Would you believe, that I’m Spartacus?
The IP in your image (201.117.101.161) is different than the one in Patterico’s and aces images (201.37.43.117). But perhaps there are more images out there.
they didn’t teach those subjects in your school?
He doens’t even speak any languages of the region!
The IP address in my image is 201.17.101.161
It matches IPs used on QandO and Patterico. I confirmed with both of them.
Ah, that explains everything! Glenn Greenwald’s Brazilian home doubles as the neighborhood internet cafe. Of course, of course……
Ok. Its just that they have different IPs in the images at patterico, and more images are forthcoming. So perhaps the guy has a dynamic IP, as they’re all from the same provider.
What you’re not but Deb is.
I was just going to post how lucky we were that another blog had stolen the attention of actus for a while. And that we should all enjoy the peace and quite while it lasts.
Oh well, nevermind.
“It might not be probable, but it is possible.”
-more electronic mastubation from the ‘pole.
GIVE IT A REST!
GG admitted it was from his IP, the only question is was it him or “others” in his house?
Actus and others are making a stab at a defense that even Greenwald has abandoned. He doesn’t deny that the subject comments were made from his IP, only that his dog or lover or neighbor or cat did the commenting.
Thats why I say the most likely scenario is his partner doing it.
Actus once successfully masturbated 8 times in a single day. He would have achieved 9 had the olive-loaf-bologna he was molesting not disintegrated in his hands.
Then why do you keep posting this garbage about “spoofing” and “more images are forthcoming”?