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There are a million stories in the naked city&#8212

—Roughly 850,000 of which contain, in one form or another, some reference to cooze.

Of course, much of that is couched in abstruse symbolism, so I don’t expect everyone will see it.  But I see it.  I see it clear as day

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update: Evidently, I’m undergoing another DoS attack. So if the site gets wonky, that’s the reason.

100 Replies to “There are a million stories in the naked city&#8212”

  1. I’m a leftwing blogger. I heard about this rabid woman and her threatening comments, came here to read them and having done so, would like to speak for myself and my blog community thusly:

    I reject this woman’s words and actions. She does not speak for me. This incident is utterly reprehensible and I offer you my sincere sympathy for any pain or anxiety she may have caused you.

    Absolutely disgusting.

    Sincerely,

    Maryscott O’Connor

    myleftwing.com

  2. gail says:

    Well said, Maryscott.

    Jeff, I see it as through a glass darkly, but maybe I just need a new prescription.

  3. hotcuppatea says:

    Jeff,

    “Cooze”? hmmm Not in my vocab.  Is that the foam wrapper that you put around a beer to keep it cold?  Surely it’s not some variation of coarse language! mad  Not on this blog.  Is it the same a “bling”?  Verb or noun?  A new preposition would be useful.

    HCT

  4. Kent says:

    Evidently, I’m undergoing another DoS attack.

    University.  Computers.

    I am SO right, on this one.  Not a shred of doubt whatsoever.

  5. gail says:

    Cuppa, consult the Urban Dictionary. It’s an indispensable guide to Jeffspeak.

  6. Phil Smith says:

    Well, if you are getting DDOS’d, your new host is a lot better.  I’m not having any more trouble accessing the site than I usually do when there are long threads on the front page.

  7. Robert says:

    I failed to get through the first time, this time all’s well.  Hopefully you can trace the bastards somehow this time.

  8. McGehee says:

    cooze

    Oh. I guess it wasn’t the cowbell reference after all.  red face

  9. ahem says:

    If there’s any value at all to episodes like this, it’s that it demonstrates who the real class is.

  10. 6Gun says:

    University.  Computers.

    Your tax dollars at work.

    Time was the citizen was obliged by law to file lien on the personal property of any public servant using their office for oppression or crime.  As far as I know, that bit of classical liberalism is still on the books…

    tw:  Not to be confused with freedom of the press.

  11. Pablo says:

    If this is what a DDOS looks like, this host rocks. wink

  12. Dr. Butthead says:

    Jeekers Jeff,

    Deb Frisch and cooze in close proximity.  The stomach turns.  Or maybe you had in mind “The Cooz” aka Bob Cousy, the paradigm-shifting point guard for the world’s greatest sports team, The Bawsten Celtics.  Or perhaps you meant Jacques “Thee see iss ah hawsh meestres” Cousteau (RIP), called “cooze” or “fucking cooze” by the sound man (behind his back of course).  “Yas Jeff, they ara meyawn stowys een zee nacked ceety.  Boat I preefair knowt too sink of pwowfesair Frisch and ‘cooze’ een zee sem stowy, sank yoo.”

  13. Darleen says:

    MaryScott

    I think what separates liberals from leftists is the willingness not to wrap one’s personal identity wholly up in political ideology.

    That you can condemn Deb’s egregious behavior with no “buts” or waving your hand at it with a “it’s really no big deal” or “but look at Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin!” strawpeoples demonstrates you are cut from a different cloth.

    liberals and conservatives can argue passionately and still break bread with friendly non-political discussions.

    Leftists want non-leftists shut down, shut up and bannished to the hinterlands. Disagreement with Leftists means being condemned by them as less than human.

    Deb is a perfect illustration of that mindset.

  14. Garth Farkley says:

    Apology Updated: Professor Frisch now denies some of her most graphic child molestation imagery.  She implies that Jeff just made it up.  She says it will be hard to authenticate her original sick comments but I doubt that.

    Here’s Frisch’s Updated Apology:

    People are posting snippets of what I posted that have been embellished with references to french kissing and other things I didn’t say.

    When and if protein wisdom comes on line again, it will be hard to tell what Jeff added or deleted to the transcript.

    UPDATE (11:20 a.m. [7/8/06]): Comments are turned off. I get the drift.

    TW:  Strong — Strong, Insane.

  15. I think Deb is a perfect illustration of a psychotic mindset, personally…

    Interesting idea, that—I’ve never separated the two in my mind, at least as regards my own political stances. But then, I never thought to analyse it from that angle.

    Thanks for the food for thought.

    What’s the right wing equivalent of a leftist? I’ve never heard “rightist”—any ideas on that one?

  16. bains says:

    Darleen, let me, a neo-Libertarian/quasi conservative add that we do have similar folks on “our side.” A refusal to condemn one’s own with out equivocation is a good indication that one places primacy on winning rather than being right.

    And damn you Goldstein, this was such a captivating wreck, I’ve spent way to much time reviewing old threads.  Well, Colorado weather helped a bit…

  17. Rusty, the other infadel says:

    Jeekers Jeff,

    Deb Frisch and cooze in close proximity.  The stomach turns.  Or maybe you had in mind “The Cooz” aka Bob Cousy, the paradigm-shifting point guard for the world’s greatest sports team, The Bawsten Celtics.  Or perhaps you meant Jacques “Thee see iss ah hawsh meestres” Cousteau (RIP), called “cooze” or “fucking cooze” by the sound man (behind his back of course).  “Yas Jeff, they ara meyawn stowys een zee nacked ceety.  Boat I preefair knowt too sink of pwowfesair Frisch and ‘cooze’ een zee sem stowy, sank yoo.”

    I doan thin it means wha joo thin it means.

  18. gail says:

    I think the term would be right-winger, MaryScott, although that doesn’t apply to many of Jeff’s commenters, myself included, who tend toward the libertarian end of the spectrum.

  19. bains says:

    Moonbats and wingnuts Gail…

    Back when I was supporting McCain’s 2000 Presidential bid, I figured there were more wingnuts, lately however, I’m of the opinion that moonbats are the dominant species.

    Unlike both ‘bats and ‘nuts, i recognize my own subjectivity.

  20. America Rules! says:

    It takes a really sick person to even joke about molesting children, even worse to use that as a threat. That Deb Frisch woman has etched a secure place for herself in the annals of stupidity on the internet. She is probably very unattractive,too.

  21. JD says:

    FWIW, I have found that Maryscott from myleftwing has more honor and integrity than most of the left combined.  I rarely agree with any of her political positions, or those of her diarists, but I respect her.

    The rest of the Left could learn much from her, but they won’t.

  22. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    That would be this Maryscott O’Connor.

    Dear Ms. O’Connor, she repeats your slogans, she endorses your positions.  She stands with you, she marches with you.  And as you admitted here you did more than your fair share to create the likes of her.  Who really cares what you reject?

  23. She is probably very unattractive,too.

    She’s not unduly burdened by the curse of beauty, no sir.

    tw: body…

  24. laserjock says:

    Glad to see the site is back up.  Regarding MaryScott’s question, I’m not sure if the term rightist is used with any frequency.  If you look at the traditional axes of American political discourse:

    Conservative – Liberal

    Rebublican – Democrat

    Right – Left

    I think you’ll find that recent events in the past half-decade have so polarized American politics that leftist/democrat/liberal are slowly becoming synonymous as the Democratic Party moves to the left.

    However, the Republican Party is moving further away from its traditionally “conservative” base (read: individual rights, laissez-faire capitalism, limited government) and can no longer be said to completely represent the “right” or the “conservatives” anymore.  Like the proverbial date where the woman realizes the man she’s grinding on is actually a mannish-woman with petite breasts.

    So, classifying myself in the context of say, Milton Friedman, Barry Goldwater, etc., I would say the most appropriate classical term for my kind is “Liberal”, which used to address all of my parentheticals above, until the mantle was assumed (stolen?) by the more socialist-leaning leftists.

    I guess what I getting at is that now we have to default to “conservative”.  Not that I’m in favor of constitutional amendments dealing with abortion etc etc mind you, but that’s what the loaded term now implies.  The term brings to mind an aging Alan Thicke-type character, smoking his pipe and watching the Lawrence Welk show in his favorite armchair. 

    Jeff, you should elaborate on this subject, unless you have already done so in one of the numerous links on your site which I have not yet had the opportunity to visit…

  25. McGehee says:

    She is probably very unattractive,too.

    big surprise

    Please tell me you didn’t just make a comment about her <whisper> body parts! </whisper>

  26. The far left and the far right are two sides of the same coin … both are sexist, racist, anti-semitic and generally angry and close-minded people who have far more in common with each other than they do with all the rest of us who fall somewhere between liberal left and libertarian/moderate right. They are people who put their single “special” interest above all other interests and stamp their feet, hold their breaths and demand they get their own ways for their single interest agendas despite the damage that might do to all the other interests a country as powerful and influential as the United States of America has to be concerned about. The far right crazies are out in force with their demands on the immigration issue, the far left are destroying our ability to fight the war on terror, the far right is trying to force a morality on everyone regarding gays and gay marriage, the far left screams that the rest of us who do believe that “marriage” is a religious ceremony between a man and a woman makes us homophobic and prejudice against gays when most of us believe that civil unions are a fine compromise that would solve the problem and everyone would benefit.

    I describe myself as a modified libertarian thusly”

    * What being a modified libertarian means to me:

    Absolute belief that the Bill of Rights, which limits government and guarantees the rights of the individual, gives me the right to be biased against those (can you say lefties) who try to legislate my mind with their ridiculous political correctness and other huge government programs designed to control rather than enhance me as an individual. I strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms. I believe government’s prime purpose is to defend and protect its citizens from foreign and domestic terror through a well-trained and well-equipped military. I believe in capitalism, competition, and the right to keep what I earn and I think corporations are better equipped as business managers than the government ever could be. I believe in the right to own property and the right to be left alone on that property, should I desire to be left alone. I believe that the human conscience is the closest thing I can explain as being the “spirit of God” and that the absence of a conscience (or God or good) is the definition of evil.

    The right doesn’t like me too much because I suppport the decriminalization of marijuana and the legalization of prostitution, but then the left doesn’t like me because I don’t support teaching about “two mommies” or “two daddies” to grade school children and I describe myself as one who is pro-choice and has chosen for life over abortion on demand as a means of birth control. The right is mad because I think the President’s immigration plan makes far more sense than the Malkin-Tancredo right wing is pushing, and the left doesn’t like it that I’m a rabid supporter of our military and I am livid about the leaks coming out of the rogue CIA cabal. I think I’m about as mainstream as one can get, but neither side agrees with my own self-description.

  27. Dan Collins says:

    In every generation there is a Chosen One.  He alone will stand against the trolls, the moonbats, and the forces of darkness. He is the Slayer.”

    Goldstein the Trollslayer

    Coming this fall on WB

  28. Jim in KC says:

    Please tell me you didn’t just make a comment about her <whisper> body parts! </whisper>

    You mean her COCK, right, McGehee?

  29. Dan Collins says:

    Uh, wait.  Strike that.  Al, great job.  But could you read it again with “he (or she)” in those two spots.  Yeah, there.  Thanks.

    Sound.

  30. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Actually, Jeff, there are eight million stories in this naked city. 6,500,000 of which deal with cooze.

    7,500,000 during Fleet Week or a party convention.

    And you realize we can both be accused of Coultersque plagiarism now, right…?

  31. actus says:

    I am SO right, on this one.  Not a shred of doubt whatsoever.

    How come? if its a DDOS attack, its probably a bunch of p0wn3d computers somewhere. I suppose universities might not be up to the latest patches, but who knows.

  32. Jim in KC says:

    I suppose universities might not be up to the latest patches, but who knows.

    From what I know about universities, which is a bit, they probably are not as patched as they should be.

  33. MarkD says:

    Cooze?  Isn’t he a player on the French World Cup team?  The one that just

    lost

    to Italy despite outplaying them because their captain took a stupid foul in OT?

  34. darwin says:

    “The right is mad because I think the President’s immigration plan makes far more sense”

    I don’t it’s just the right that favors a more restrictive immigration plan.  The Prez’s plan is based on the fact that he supports the “Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America”

    http://www.spp.gov/

    Kinda like a United States of North America.  I don’t like, but it’s me.

    The SPP goes hand in hand with the “International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor” which is a massive transport system with tentacles snaking from Mexico into and through the U.S.

    http://www.nascocorridor.com/

    This is why he’s so pansie assed on illegals flooding the country.

  35. ahem says:

    MaryScott:

    The Democrats have really changed over he last thirty years. They now espouse attitudes that used to be considered so far left as to be considered wacko. The only people who held them were in the SDS and the communist party. Thirty years ago, it was very easy to recognize the agitprop tone of the left’s rhetoric because most people didn’t use it, including those on campus. Now, it’s the common currency of expression, and a very limiting one at that. Some very stupid notions have become, as Nabokov suggested, cliches encased in plaster and handed down as wisdom.

    If you read the Democratic Party platform of 1960 to your friends on the left without telling them what it is, they’d swear it was written by a Republican. Attitudes that used to be considered mainstream ‘liberal’, like patriotism and love of one’s country–both without self-conscious quotes–are now out of fashion with younger Democrats, or Progressives, if you wish.

    Where do you go if you’re strong on defense, believe in capitalism, individual responsibility and tend to be socially liberal? You end up having to vote Republican and being labeled an extremist.

  36. RG says:

    I think Deb is a perfect illustration of a psychotic mindset, personally…

    I agree.  She doesn’t just troll conservative bloggers, from what I’ve seen.

    What’s the right wing equivalent of a leftist? I’ve never heard “rightist”—any ideas on that one?

    “Right-winger” and/or “wingnut” seem to crop up most frequently.  “Wingnut” is shorter, if you ask me – two syllables and all that.

  37. McGehee says:

    You mean her big surprise, right, McGehee?

    I didn’t even know she kept chickens.

  38. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Jeff — Actually, there are eight million stories in this naked city, six and half million of which deal with cooze.  Seven and half million during Fleet Week or any Party convention.

    And you realize we’re both subject to accusations of Coulteresque plagiarism now, right?

  39. McGehee says:

    I think I’m about as mainstream as one can get…

    Nah. You’re just an eclectic extremist.  cheese

  40. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    What’s the right wing equivalent of a leftist? I’ve never heard “rightist”—any ideas on that one?

    Usually they just cut right to ‘fascist.’ Some of the cleverer ones for ‘reichwinger’.

  41. Mikey says:

    What, another attack? That’s makes-what?-three? Say it with me: this has nothing to do with Frau Frisch. Repeat: nothing to do with Frau Frisch. And again: nothing to do with Frau Frisch.

    Riiiiiigt. All your speculation belong to us. Don’t give in to the Dark Side. Yadda yadda yadda. Yes. Yes, I know. But DAAAAA-YUM.

    New business. The Deb-ster posted this data (link below) with her very own clickety-clackety, claw-like, scrabbling appendages. She specifically notes that her intent serves the public interest, so privacy issues are off the table.  I’m not the first to bird-dog this, and probably won’t be the last. Enjoy.

    http://debfrisch.com/archives/2005/04/jane_bond.html

  42. actus says:

    If you read the Democratic Party platform of 1960 to your friends on the left without telling them what it is, they’d swear it was written by a Republican.

    Here’s what appears to be a link, if you’d like to read along. It’s got something for everybody.

    The right to a job requires the restoration of full support for collective bargaining and the repeal of the anti-labor excesses which have been written into our labor laws.

    We will use the food stamp programs authorized to feed needy children, the aged and the unemployed. We will expand and improve the school lunch and milk programs.

    The new Democratic Administration will act to make our free economy really free—free from the oppression of monopolistic power, and free from the suffocating impact of high interest rates.

    We shall adjust our immigration, nationality and refugee policies to eliminate discrimination and to enable members of scattered families abroad to be united with relatives already in our midst.

    As the first step in speeding economic growth, a Democratic president will put an end to the present high-interest, tight-money policy.

  43. Thanos says:

    Jeff, Welcome back.

    If your host company can get a “snort” of the DDOS packets and get it to the folks at ISC (SANs institute internet storm center) then the handlers there might be able to get it blocked closer to source.

  44. Jim in KC says:

    I didn’t even know she kept chickens.

    I’m sure she does–can’t do that voodoo that she do without ‘em.

  45. Dan Collins says:

    Handy.  A one-stop reference guide to the Affaire Frisch.

    http://tailrank.com/posts/562949953718804/A_New_Low_for_the_'Progressives&#x27;

    (h/t Deborah Frisch)

    She also says that she was contacted by Fox News for a Monday interview.  Allah’s just too prophetic.

  46. ahem says:

    The right to a job requires the restoration of full support for collective bargaining and the repeal of the anti-labor excesses which have been written into our labor laws.

    We will use the food stamp programs authorized to feed needy children, the aged and the unemployed. We will expand and improve the school lunch and milk programs.

    actus, I would agree that these particular items are still very much in the main stream of Democratic thought, which has traditionally favored a paternalistic, socialist philosophy. I’m not sure that a little drop of such things is bad. Up until a few years ago, I would have endorsed these items wheole-heartedly myself. Now, however, I know better how economics works.

    The new Democratic Administration will act to make our free economy really free—free from the oppression of monopolistic power, and free from the suffocating impact of high interest rates.

    This item is more debatable. I guess you feel that the desire to limit ‘monopolistic power’ is a quality restricted solely to Democrats. I would disagree. Monopolies stifle competition. For example, a union is effectively a monopoly. A Republican broke up the telephone monopoly in 1984. The resulting competition opened the door for the product innovation that made the internet possible. If you’re thinking that because a villain like Ken Lay was a Republican, it somehow means that only the Democrats favor the little guy, you’d be wrong. The high interest rates must have been a contemporary issue I’m not familiar with.

    We shall adjust our immigration, nationality and refugee policies to eliminate discrimination and to enable members of scattered families abroad to be united with relatives already in our midst.

    Okay, you got me.

    As the first step in speeding economic growth, a Democratic president will put an end to the present high-interest, tight-money policy.

    This I don’t get. You’re stretching on this one. The Democrats may currently agree with this plank, but so what?

    My turn:

    It is our continuing responsibility to provide an effective instrument of political action for every American who seeks to strengthen these rights-everywhere here in America, and everywhere in our 20th Century world.

    The Dems no longer “seek[s] to strengthen these rights-everywhere here in America, and everywhere in our 20th Century world.”

    …it is the creation of an enduring peace in which the universal values of human dignity, truth, and justice under law are finally secured for all men everywhere on earth.

    The Dems no longer espouse this. Bush does and you hate him for it. You think he’’s going to go down as the worst president in history. JFK believed this. Does it make him a terrible president?

    When the Democratic Administration left office in 1953, the United States was the pre-eminent power in the world. Most free nations had confidence in our will and our ability to carry out our commitments to the common defense.

    Even those who wished us ill respected our power and influence.

    The Republican Administration has lost that position of pre-eminence. Over the past 7 1/2 years, our military power has steadily declined relative to that of the Russians and the Chinese and their satellites.

    The Dems no longer believe America is the rightful place of power, prestige and influence–moral leadership, if you like. Now, they believe we are no better than our worst enemies and deserve to have planes flown into buildings.

    This is the strength that must be erected:

    1. Deterrent military power such that the Soviet and Chinese leaders will have no doubt that an attack on the United States would surely be followed by their own destruction.

    2. Balanced conventional military forces which will permit a response graded to the intensity of any threats of aggressive force.

    3. Continuous modernization of these forces through intensified research and development, including essential programs now slowed down, terminated, suspended, or neglected for lack of budgetary support.

    A first order of business of a Democratic Administration will be a complete re-examination of the organization of our armed forces.

    A military organization structure, conceived before the revolution in weapons technology, cannot be suitable for the strategic deterrent, continental defense, limited war, and military alliance requirements of the 1960s.

    Wherever did that foreign policy attitude attitude go?

    And, let me wrap up with this, which was the position of the Dems toward Communism, a philosophy they have openly embraced, at least, culturally:

    We recognize this contest as one between two radically different approaches to the meaning of life—our open society which places its highest value upon individual dignity, and your closed society in which the rights of men are sacrificed to the state.

    We believe your Communist ideology to be sterile, unsound, and doomed to failure. We believe that your children will reject the intellectual prison in which you seek to confine them, and that ultimately they will choose the eternal principles of freedom.

    Read the whole thing, as Reynolds says.

    actus, you can pull a couple of small farkelberries out of your ass, but the fact remains: the Democratic party ia 180 degrees from what it once was. If you can’t see that, I pity you.

  47. Dan Collins says:

    A nice links-hoard at the bottom of this post by Avi Green:

    http://telchaination.blogspot.com/2006/07/meet-deborah-frisch-aka-professor.html

    For the Commnications Studies Ph.D. Candidate who’s looking for a dissertation (as some commenter at this site mentioned was liable to happen).

  48. actus says:

    actus, I would agree that these particular items are still very much in the main stream of Democratic thought, which has traditionally favored a paternalistic, socialist philosophy.

    Perhaps. But someone wouldn’t “swear it was written by a Republican.”

    But I don’t know where you get the idea that contemporary democrats don’t advocate a foreign policy of deterrence and military might. Clinton used the arguments of demonstrating our might, and followed the Powell doctrine in doing so.

    actus, you can pull a couple of small farkelberries out of your ass, but the fact remains: the Democratic party ia 180 degrees from what it once was

    Not really. But they did then believe in many things which no one would “swear . . . was written by a Republican.”

  49. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    You know, Jeff, when and if Fox contacts you, also, for this story, you better have a real good explanation ready for how you altered the Google cache dates too, you cunning bastard…

  50. Rick Ballard says:

    Allah’s just too prophetic.

    I thought it was Mohammed.

  51. ahem says:

    actus, m’dear. you’re willfully blind. we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

  52. Dan Collins says:

    What’s Ace’s email?  I think he could have some fun with this:

    http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/2005/06/whats_so_funny.html

  53. Dan Collins says:

    Cafe Hayek may be added to the long list of blogs that have had interesting . . . communications? with Dr. Frisch:

    http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/2005/06/to_shriek_is_no.html

    There’s something very strange about the trackbacks, as well.  Starting March of this year, all sorts of random links begin to show up.  Is this common?  Am I paranoid?

    Wait.  I’ll ask Mulder.

  54. actus says:

    actus, m’dear. you’re willfully blind. we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    Look, when it comes to individual dignity and sacrificing rights to the state, I don’t think democrats have changed much. Not post 9.11.

  55. McGehee says:

    Trackback spam is a common thing these days—except among those of us whose blogs are powered by ExpressionEngine.

    (The preceding was an actual testimonial by an actual user who was not compensated in any way.)

    What? I don’t get paid?

    (Sorry, no.)

    Dammit.

  56. McGehee says:

    I don’t think democrats have changed much. Not post 9.11.

    Since 9/11? You’re damn right they haven’t changed. Everything else did, but they’re stuck on 9/10.

    In the year 1968.

  57. Scott P says:

    THE WHOLE WORLD’S WATCHING!!!  THE WHOLE WORLD’S WATCHING!!!!

    That durn armadillo better dance now.

  58. drum says:

    “What’s the right wing equivalent of a leftist? I’ve never heard “rightist”—any ideas on that one?”

    I’ve read “rightist” in places (though I can’t recall where just now).  What matters most is that you understand: Rigth is right; left is wrong. It’s that simple.

  59. Dan Collins says:

    Y’know what’s really begun to bug me?  People misspelling “wackjob” as “whackjob.” Just saw it again at Treacher’s.  I guess once and awhile I’ve gotten “whacky”–you know, when a new Victoria’s Secret catalog shows up in my mailbox.  But it’s “wacky,” and it’s “wackjob.” It’s true that something may be “out of whack,” but that’s a false derivation.

    “Whackjob” is just a hip way of saying “cockslapping.” Please respect the difference.

  60. Darleen says:

    ahem

    I think this might be better…

    …we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.

    The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

    We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

    Rights from God, a gauntlet thrown that America was about spreading liberty around the world and we weren’t afraid of a fight even though we’d prefer negotiation (verifiable) ….

    I’ve posted this more than once in threads and had lefties telling me to stick that neo-Nazi-Xtian-Imperialist crap …. well, you know how they talk.

    Then I tell ‘em to google it and see WHO said it.

    heh.

  61. B Moe says:

    Look, when it comes to individual dignity and sacrificing rights to the state, I don’t think democrats have changed much. Not post 9.11.

    Got irony?

  62. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    But they did then believe in many things which no one would “swear . . . was written by a Republican.”

    Sure did.

    Jim Crow.

    Killing Freedom Riders.

    Lester Maddox.

    George Wallace.

    Church bombings.

  63. drum says:

    It doesn’t matter to a leftie that Kennedy or Lenin/Lennon said it.  Language is a difficult concept for leftists to comprehend; who said what and why requires thought, introspection, reflection, and no lefty has time for that sort of thing.  Knee-jerk reaction and whining is all they can offer.  They’re children … only different.

  64. moneyrunner says:

    Darleen,

    The speaker may have been JFK, but the speechwriter wasn’t and he really didn’t mean it.  It sounded good though.

  65. Spiny Norman says:

    actus,

    But I don’t know where you get the idea that contemporary democrats don’t advocate a foreign policy of deterrence and military might. Clinton used the arguments of demonstrating our might, and followed the Powell doctrine in doing so.

    At best, he paid lip service to it. Bill’s foreign policy was more like the “Murtha Doctrine”. In other words, as soon as we take casualties, getthefuckout. Remember Mogadishu? Osama bin Laden sure did.

    That also explains why our warplanes were not allowed to fly below 20,000 feet when we were bombing Serbia (and killing lots of civilians without the media shrieking about it).  He’d be damned if he was to let one of them get shot down! And on that note, our troops are still there, there’s still killin’ goin’ on and the Democrats and their shills in the Lamestream Media aren’t calling that a “quagmire”.

    Look, when it comes to individual dignity and sacrificing rights to the state, I don’t think democrats have changed much. Not post 9.11.

    Oh please, enough with that tired hyperbole. Name me one fundamental right you’ve lost.

  66. Karl says:

    Why look, it’s actus—who was excusing Frisch’s behavior over at Patterico’s during the first DDOS, then came here to denounce the DDOS.  The man who doesn’t understand that people can have mental problems and still be held responsible for their actions—even the Mansons, the Gacys and the Dahmers.

    And per usual, he’s nit-picking, because he’s a man who can’t see the forest for the trees and often can’t see a tree because he’s busy examining the veins on a leaf on the the tree’s most remote branch.

    ahem’s point was that the Dems have gone much further to the Left than they were in 1960.  actus suggests this is “not really” the case.  Right.  JFK ran on a “missile gap.” The ‘60s, particularly Vietnam, pushed the party leftward.  By 1972, they were putting up McGovern who was far enough left to get trounced by Nixon (whose record, btw, was sufficiently liberal for Tom Wicker to write an entire book about it).  By 1984, the Dem candidates were arguing over who backed a unilateral nuclear freeze first.  Now the fight is who can propose getting out of Iraq fastest, with exceptions like Hillary Clinton getting stony silence and boos for refusing to play that game.  The Dems used to have a significant pro-life faction; Ted Kennedy used to be in it.  As the link actus provided shows, the Dems use to be totally in favor of world trade.  And so on. 

    actus might want to ask why the only time a Dem has gotten elected President since 1964 has been either: (a) in the wake of massive scandal; or (b) when the Cold War had largely ended and the threat of Islamic extremism had not fully manifested itself.  And while on that point, actus might want to note that Bill Clinton’s brilliant foreign policy record incudes: a law-enforcement response to the first WTC bombing; the Murtha approach to Somalia (which is now being taken over by Islamists and put the US in the position of having to try covert support to the warlords we were trying to eliminate earlier); no response to Khobar Towers; and no response to the USS Cole bombing.  Since actus loves to nitpick, let me say in advance that the occasional lobbing of a cruise missile at an empty building or an empty former terror camp still qualifies as no response.  In fact, it’s worse.  It’s fecklessness that encouraged OBL to see the US as a paper tiger.  The Clinton approach of handing North Korea nuclear reactors for unverifiable promises of future compliance by the likes of Kim Jong Il will not go down in the annals of history as brilliant statecraft either.

    But all of that is about the big picture, which actus wouldn’t recognize if it hit him over the head.  If Al Gore had not invented the Internet, he would be picking fights in bars.  Which would at least get him out of his room once in a while.

  67. ed says:

    Hmmmm.

    This is *vastly* off-topic, but I still need an answer.

    Ok the US military wants to exhume the body of the Iraqi woman that was supposed to have been raped and murdered with her body then subsequently being burned to destroy forensic evidence.  I say “supposed” just because there is a presumption of innocence and not because I’m making a judgement call here.

    Now in Islam there are a number of situations where exhuming the body is allowed or even necessary.  This is because there are specific rituals and laws regarding both burial and exhumation in Islamic soceity.

    With that said …

    * When the grave is opened up for a legal purpose which is more important than exhumation. For example, when it is proposed to take out a living child from the womb of a buried woman.

    Under what f**king conditions is it remotely possible for a *living child* to be still alive in a buried woman’s womb??? 

    When a pregnant woman dies, doesn’t her baby die soon after?  Like within minutes since the heart is no longer beating and there is an onset of oxygen deprivation?  Not to mention necrosis from dying or dead tissue?

    The only thing that makes this quoted sentence have any sense whatsoever is if “some” people were in the habit of burying pregnant women alive.

    Anybody else got an explanation?  Because this is really creeping me out.

    (h/t Sweetness & Light

    sw: We found her! (rather appropriate)

  68. Name me one fundamental right you’ve lost.

    Well, as I understand it, actus lost its right to a gender.

  69. triticale says:

    The term [conservative] brings to mind an aging Alan Thicke-type character, smoking his pipe and watching the Lawrence Welk show in his favorite armchair.

    Well, of all that the only part applicable is the pipe-smoking, and I don’t think the hydro nugs I put in it are what were brought to mind

  70. Oh please, enough with that tired hyperbole. Name me one fundamental right you’ve lost.

    You misunderstand actus. The Democrats want us to sacrifice many of our rights to the state (speech, association, bearing arms), and that hasn’t changed since 9/11.

  71. Karl,

    Any competent student of history knows that, going back more than a century, that the most incompetent conduct of war has been by Democratic Presidents and the most egregious attacks on civil rights has been by Democratic Presidents.

    The deluded and the mendacious of course deny this.

  72. Tom W. says:

    Ed:

    In answer to your question:

    If Islam has to codify that it’s permissable to exume a buried woman to save her living fetus, then it would appear that Muslims are burying a lot of women alive.

    Says a lot…

  73. JorgXMcKie says:

    maryscott I suspect the term you are looking for is not ‘rightist’ but something more like ‘romantic nationalist’.  That is, someone or some group who believes that their country was pretty close to perfect at some time in the past and if we could just get rid of a small group of meddlers the country could be like that again.  National Socialism under Hitler was an extreme form of this insanity.  Pat Buchanan is a bit like this (more like a cold to Hitler’s pneumonia), and *some* of the more extreme anti-immigrants suffer from a like problem.

    However, if you go as far as Hitler did (and Buchanan sometimes seems to want to) you’re meeting the far left by going right.  (Not that National Socialism itself is a right ideology.  It’s not.  It’s a left, quasi-Marxist ideology that denies the universality of world communism because lots of those little brown people and others just aren’t ready for socialism.  You know, sorta like those lefties who don’t think the little brown people of the Middle East are ready for democracy.) Hitler’s Germany was based on a Romantic Nationalism that was pretty much religious, not ideological, in nature.

    I would say that the best term for these Romantic Nationalists in the US is ‘wingnut’ as above.  However, Kos et al would like to misappropriate the term and apply it to anyone to the right of Joe Lieberman, at the least.

  74. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Just a paranoid thought.  If Deb thinks she’s getting interviewed by Fox tomorrow, save your pages or look up the Google cache links tonight, because there’s another DOS attack coming.

  75. MarkD says:

    JorgX, Yeah, pick on romance.  grin

    Look, I kind of like this country, I think it’s got more pluses than any other I’ve been.  Heaven, it’s not.  I think it’s worth defending.  What pisses me off about the leftards is that they sincerely believe “if only they would do things our way, it’d be heaven.”

    Well, every time it’s been tried, socialism has produced a reasonable facsimile of hell.  But why let experience stop you when you’ve got a vision?  Hey, France is wonderful, if you’ve got a government job, and off-street parking, and you don’t need to live too close to the ghettos…

    It’s not exactly like people are climbing walls to get out of the US.  People don’t go to Canada or England to get their health care. 

    TW home.  No place like it.  Don’t get me wrong, there’s at least one thing better than here every place I’ve ever been.  Beer, food, manners, public transportation, girls, whatever.  But all-in-all, things are better here. 

    Does that make me a romantic nationalist, a wingnut, or just a normal guy who wants his kids to have it as good as he did?  Either way, the dems don’t win without the votes of people like me, and driving a Lieberman out is not the way they get them.

  76. Dan Collins says:

    A fascinating one-act by the Pooklekufr:

    http://hamstermotor.motime.com/post/588376/Deb+Frisch+vs.+Annie+Wilkes?motime=4b3455551391550e2167fe62cdb2a59d

    I think it owes something to Beckett.  Whom to cast?

  77. ahem says:

    Darleen:

    Nice quote. Note the themes that are nowhere in evidence in Democrat rhetoric anymore: alliance with a higher power, optimism in man’s ability to solve problems, active committment to gaining rights for all humanity, honor for American culture.

    These are liberal values.

    The values the Dems currently espouse are the values of the European left: secularism, pessimism, hopelessness, relativism, and an active disdain for American culture.

    Me? I’m a liberal.

  78. ahem says:

    Oh, I almost forgot. I live in Chicagostan. It’s been in the snares of the Democratic machine since forever. Mayor Daley believes the city streets belong to him and is prepared to tape or film me at his pleasure. Cameras with microphones are up all over the city. Fois gras has been banned from restaurants, cigarettes have been banned from bars and a motion is up to ban restaurants from serving anything with trans fats in them.

    With any luck, I may live to see the day where I have to take refuge in the countryside to have a truly private coversation and, like Winston Smith, the best I may hope for in a restaurant are grey stews with little flecks of pinkish, rubbery meat in them.

    But hey, I got $200 a month coming in from social security, so I got that goin’ for me. Vote democratic.

    actus, you poor thing, you’re just a knucklehead.

  79. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Those lefties just can’t leave children alone.  Too Bad for Them.

  80. nichevo says:

    The following is what I see for all 77? comments on this thread.  Worse than DDOS? 

    TW:  Excuse this semi-emergency post.  If nothing else I want to see if mine comes across like this too.

    —-

    end message:begin quote

  81. nichevo says:

    Well, uh, it seems to be gone now, but I did see that.  Database hiccup maybe.  Best N

  82. ahem says:

    Dan: See? They can keep a secret!

  83. The_Real_JeffS says:

    nichevo?  What did you do?  My window has TWO (as in, one pair) of comment boxes, one inside your post, and one at the end.  Both have the same T/W, “volume”, which seems odd.

    Otherwise, all is normal.

  84. Dan Collins says:

    GMG–

    Thanks for that.  Which group were the children?

  85. Dan Collins says:

    ahem: Bwahahahaha!

  86. actus says:

    In other words, as soon as we take casualties, getthefuckout. Remember Mogadishu? Osama bin Laden sure did.

    I think that was bad business going in there without a good mission, and would have preferred that we left before it became clear that it was bad business.

    That also explains why our warplanes were not allowed to fly below 20,000 feet when we were bombing Serbia (and killing lots of civilians without the media shrieking about it).  He’d be damned if he was to let one of them get shot down!

    I know. It was terrible. I organized protests on my campus against it. But faulting clinton for valuing our soldiers over civilians doesn’t disprove the fact that democrats were users of military humanism, in accords with the Powell doctrine.

    Oh please, enough with that tired hyperbole. Name me one fundamental right you’ve lost

    I used to think that the executive couldn’t hold americans incommunicado. Thanks to separation of powers, I don’t think i’ve lost that right.

  87. Dan Collins says:

    RealJeff–

    I think he unwittingly cut and pasted the actual code, creating the spectacle of a two-headed thread.  I always knew it would come to this.

  88. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    They’re being held incommunicado?  How do you know?

  89. Dan Collins says:

    Yes, actus, but to be perfectly honest, sometimes I wish that we could hold you incommunicado.

  90. actus says:

    They’re being held incommunicado?  How do you know?

    They’re not. They get access to their lawyers. Thanks to separation of powers.

  91. Dan Collins says:

    Do I read this right?  You’re asked to name a right that you’ve lost, and then you say thanks to separation of powers you haven’t lost any?

    Well, thanks to gravity, I’m not being hurled off the face of the planet.  And I’m grateful.

  92. Dan Collins says:

    The witless is non-responsive, your honor.

  93. actus says:

    Do I read this right?  You’re asked to name a right that you’ve lost, and then you say thanks to separation of powers you haven’t lost any?

    I don’t think i’ve lost any rights. But that doesn’t really change the fact that the democratic position on rights and surrender to the state is unchanged.

  94. Dan Collins says:

    Geez, actus.  Kids can’t wear witch costumes anymore, people can’t smoke in bars, and they want me to eat McLean?  Yecccchhhh!  Why are these helpful legally enforced guidelines not impediments to my self-expression?

  95. actus says:

    Why are these helpful legally enforced guidelines not impediments to my self-expression?

    Does anyone eat mcleans?

  96. Dan Collins says:

    Who’s cooking up all this crap?  Rethuglicans?

  97. Darleen says:

    dan

    The new Dems are dedicated to the democratic position that only they know what’s right for you and, damn it, just shutup and get with the program.

    And never question their patriotism.

  98. Dan Collins says:

    I have to use an ethanol blend because it’s mandated?  Thanks, Tom Harkin!

  99. Dan Collins says:

    I won’t shut up!  I won’t!

    But on the other hand I’m not going to harass groups of schoolkids visiting the National Mall, just because it’s so important to me to prove that I’m fighting the power.

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