1) I don’t feel victimized. Debbie Frisch is as nutty as the ring inside a squirrel’s crapper, but I don’t think she’s a threat. She’s more of an object lesson in having too many cats.
2) I allowed Debbie to continue commenting here because she was threatening to show her ass. Not that any of us wanted to see such a horrid, rippled thing, of course—but, well, we’re intellectually curious. And adventurous!
3) She showed her ass. And it was every bit as ugly as we all knew it would be.
4) But no matter. I don’t want apologies.
5) On the other hand, pie would be nice.
6) Or a bottle of really good tequila.
7) Blue agave, Deb.
8) None of that cheapass rail shit you were huffing the other night.
9) Go on, I’ll wait…
*****
update: Thanks to those of you who’ve written, commented, hit the tip jar, etc. If I haven’t dropped you a thank you note, it’s because I’m still not getting all my emails. So for the time being, I ask that you let this generic show of appreciation suffice.
But please know that I’m very touched and humbled by the show of support I’ve received over the past few days. So much so, in fact, that were I the pie king, you’d each wake tomorrow to a nice big slice of key lime, with real whipped topping and a fresh lime wedge garnish.
Unfortunately, Tony has surrendered his claim to pie.
That’s fine for you to say, Jeff, but I didn’t have the goggles. And now I’m blind. And I’m a crap touch-typist.
What’s wrong with having too many cats?
I have too many cats, and I am a right-ring nutjob, eh.
Will you have Gefilte Frisch with that Blue Agave, Jeff?
Well, Jeff, you had a rude guest. You could have kicked her out of the house, but you kept her around for amusement. Some of your faithful went crying to mom and dad. You should be smart enough to know it would end ugly. Now you have to clean up all the crap left behind.
10. A portion of her eventual book deal would be nice. “My Free Speech Stifled: How I was Forced to Give up My Life For the Right Wing Lie Machine”
I just can’t wait until she’s made a hero, and then she and Ward Churchill can write a book together about American Theocracy … Bush lied kids died… Halliburton … Enron … zzzzzzzzzzz … zzzzz … where am I??? Do I have tenure yet??? What was in that brownie???
You are a much bigger man than I, Jeff. I’d be hunting her and her next of kin down.
A very disturbing mental image, but not nearly as scary or repulsive as what’s between her ears.
If I have nightmares, I’m counting on you to share some of that klonopin.
From now on could you please keep the sexual sleeze at a minimum?
TW: Meaning could we keep your private parts and those of others and the references to them at a minimum? Perhaps create another site for the sexual stuff and keep this site for political stuff.
Just a thought.
Your bigger than I am. She is totally out of it. Just read she is resigning; boy that University lucked out.
From now on could you please keep the sexual sleeze at a minimum?
Now that’s funny!
errr…tammy. how ‘bout ‘chu just shut up?
some of us like this place the way it is.
frankly, all the sexual titillation stimulates my big fat high IQ brain.
I’m glad you don’t feel victimized or threatened after she wrote such disturbing things on your blog.
This is my first comment here and I decided to weigh in because so many right-wing commenters have been all over us on the left today as if she’s one of our leaders. In reality, many of us have never heard of her until today and were shocked to read what she wrote. I only wish it wouldn’t have been used as a jumping off point to attack the rest of us. Don’t we have enough divisions already?
Apparently, there was a DOS attack on your site from what I’ve read. Any more details on that?
Thanks.
DockMartine–
She did beg Jeff to ban her. But in the meantime, she was such an avatar of ugly leftie trolldom that Jeff let her rave on for demonstrative purposes. Because, you know, he didn’t want to interfere with her right to self-expression. Until she started making threatening remarks about his kid. Are you saying in effect that Protein Wisdom is some kind of “attractive nuisance” to wacko trolls, and thus must share in the blame for her career suicide? Dude, that doesn’t wash in Oregon. You can off yourself if you want.
The University of Arizona is now accepting applications for adjunct Professor of Psychology for the fall semester. Also, the local whores are looking for a new pimp. Inability to write poetry a plus.
UA
“All Sales are Final”
Hear hear, Tammy. It’s like you read my mind. Jeff, can you please do as she asks?
I mean, all of that political stuff irritates me.
Oh, and since I’m in an asking mood, can you go heavy on the pillow fights for the sleaze site? Just something about feathers and co-eds that is so…naughty.
TW: Clearly, as in “Clearly Tammy and I are 2 veritable peas in a pod”
I don’t agree with most of you and your buds. But I condemn the nasty and hateful trogs out of hand, because they don’t represent me.
Jeff-
You’re such a big jerk, having an open comments policy is just reprehensible! You know people like Deb can’t control themselves. It’s like having a pool in neighborhood with lots of kids and not putting up a fence. Down right irresponsible. She can’t be held responsible for her actions, you mocked her mental disability by giving her a place to display it and have nobody to blame but yourself……yeah, that’s the ticket!
Here’s what I’m thinking.
Monday night.
Hannity & Colmes.
Goldstein and Frisch, FACE TO FACE.
Topic: “Is it okay to wish death on the children of political opponents?”
Fuckin’ DYNAMITE.
Cynn–
Wild thing, I think I love you
But I wanna know for sure
C’mon, baby, hold me tight
You move me
–The Troggs
You know what you really need to do, what all of us NEED to do? We must admit DEFEAT in Iraq. Only then will our children be safe from the ass breathed tongue of certain PhD types.
Our children must suffer for the suffering of all muslim children everywhere! In the midst of their beautiful kite flying spring, we cut them down! now we must pay by allowing wannabe members of nambla tongue our children.
I am not so sure what is so hard to understand about this whole ordeal.
Allah’s got a point there.
Only, from what I’ve seen, Deb Frisch has a real radio face.
I mean, she’s uglier than Colmes.
So, yeah. Maybe he would like to have her.
I mean, on his show.
Blue agave. My favorite tequila too. I don’t know brands and don’t enjoy mailing alcoholic beverages, though. ‘Specially now that I’m on the FBI’s radar.
How about this: You tell me the name of your favorite liquor store and I’m happy to pay for a bottle of blue agave that you purchase there to apologize for bringing the child into it. It’s horrible for an adult to drag children into a fight, even a verbal one which they are not witnessing. I am sorry I did it.
I’ll call the store, give ‘em my Visa number and expiration date and what not and tell ‘em – I wanna buy that man a drink.
Gefilte Frisch. U guyz r 2 much!
Turing word: company
Oh. sorry. That was my PREVIEW Turing word.
My real Turing word is SHOWN.
The company was shown the door after the company was rude to the host but all’s well that ends well.
Peace.
I’d say that the sexual stuff breeds more sexual stuff. If you are a libertaian, then that’s ok and anything Jeff said about his privates is ok. But if you are not a libertarian, then what Jeff says about his privates is subject to some toss back.
TW: I am above using sexual terms to make political points.
Heh. She said “breeds”.
Tammy–
Which reference to Jeff’s . . . erm . . . parts . . . are you referencing?
“How about this: You tell me the name of your favorite liquor store and I’m happy to pay for a bottle of blue agave that you purchase there to apologize for bringing the child into it. It’s horrible for an adult to drag children into a fight, even a verbal one which they are not witnessing. I am sorry I did it.”
Ok, for me, that seems like a genuine apology. I think maybe what MIGHT have happened was that she felt that Jeff would understand this sort of “dark humor”.
I get that alot myself, I have had to tell a couple of folk here and there that once you are domesticated that your “line in the sand” isn’t quite as fuzzy as it used to be.
I don’t expect anyone to really understand that but I see that as Debs first genuine attempt to make amends.
Dan:
Yesss! Not the usual trogodites, but the real thing!
Deb,
Honestly, I agree with RoA that that’s kind of you. I’m sorry about the whole debacle. I honestly think that you ought to get counselling, and I’m not saying that as a slam.
Peace and stuff,
Unless it compromises our security,
Dan
I thought I spelled troglodites, but maybe that’s wrong too.
If you give them enough rope, leftists will eventually hang themselves. Frisch may yet learn the true meaning of the word “accountability”.
Heh…Republican on acid. That would certainly explain Ted Steven’s recent Internet speech:
“It’s a bunch of tubes, tubes everywhere. And it’s not a truck, no sir. And, why is that caribou wearing a Knights of Columbus lapel pin? Oranges, I need oranges, dammit!”
TW: Church, as in I go every Sunday. Their fried chicken is the best.
I might take you up on that, Debbie.
I won’t go super expensive. Because I’m really a swell guy.
wow.
jeff goldstein, you are such a class act.
i bow to you.
Wow Deb, that sounded almost sincere, you most have sobered up since you posted this on your own site a couple hours ago:
Or maybe you weren’t drunk, maybe just dizzy from all the spinning, huh?
“I might take you up on that, Debbie.
I won’t go super expensive. Because I’m really a swell guy.”
Of course then again Jeff, she might be just apologizing in this manner to get your address…..
For pity’s sake, this is Jeff’s blog, he writes about the things that interest him and he has a distinctly male point of view – as do many of his commenters. Its what gives this blog its richness.
When I click on to Protein Wisdom, I feel as if (in the nicest way possible) I’ve been given an invitation to join the men in the bar at the Muthaiga Club:
Gentlemen, to rose-lipped maidens and light foot lads….
Jesus H. Christ, I think this loon is a masochist.
Deb: what on earth possesses you to be a troll, when you HAVE a blog? And why on earth would you even show your face here (or anywhere else) when most people who’ve heard of this think you are really, really sick?
Seriously, Deb. Get help. Normal people DO NOT make remarks like yours. And I’m sure you feel it’s a badge of honor to be “not ‘normal’” (I know your type, dear), but I assure you, since you care about nothing else, get help for your own sake. I imagine you think you know better than your doctors/therapists, though, don’t you?
Tammy, you know what’s a real peeve among bloggers? When people tell them how or what they should write. I mean, there are options.
Just sayin’.
Whether a troll swallows the Chicago Manual of Style, a rhyming dictionary, and a large amount of academic paper in the process…
It’s still just troll.
Errr, does “Peace” now mean: I’ll comment again in @ three to five minutes or some such?
And finally Re: Deb:, I thought some of you went above the line in your inflammatory, snotty, and viscerally crude remarks. Nothing immediately threatening, that I saw. She went over some ill-defined internet line in her weird and pukey remarks, which even an old lefty shit-kicker like me wouldn’t go near. But anyway.
And, yes, I stand by the trogs thing. Too rogressive=Trog.
This is Deb’s grand psychological experiment.
You are being played…..
Magnanimity, Thy name be Jeff.
any word on that DOS attack?
TW: I’d make the effort to find out. Wouldn’t you?
Lesley,
Jeff? A male perspective? Now, that’s funny! Have you forgotten his masterpiece, “The Martha Stewart Chronicles”? Pure lesbian ethos and pathos in a correctional setting. His reach is exceeded only by his grasp (no masturbatory imagery intended). I would love to see Jeff take on a similar project. Publish Jeff, publish!
Flap, you’re spot on.
Unbelievable. I found out about this from Michelle Malkin this evening and have been devouring it. I have spent the last couple of hours getting caught up on this and the one from the other day and what do I see? Typical hate and hypocrisy from an uber-liberal and a genteal forgiveness from what they claim to be pure evil. What it really is is some psycho in definate need of help and to be severely punished digging a bottomless pit for herself, realizing just how bad she screwed up and is no trying desperately to climb out. This is nothing but par for the course for the Left. They say and do anything they want, and then when they go too far, it is all about how they were “just kidding” and how they were just trying to use the Rights tactics against them. Un-freakin-believable. As a fireman/paramedic, I am here to tell you that for the last 5 years I have watched this nation be slowly erroded and destroyed from within by these Leftist hatemongers who go crawling back under their rocks as soon as someone calls them on their B.S. and playing it off. This is a woman who defended the calling of innocents as evil. This is a woman who accuses the men and women of our military who are out there every freaking day trying to settle up with the very people out to destroy every man woman and child in this and any other non-Muslim country…and even some actual Muslim countries…any way they possibly can, of being rapists and murderers. She spits on this country and the very freedoms that it espouses and allows her to do so and what happens? It is settled over an imaginary drink and everyone here saying “oh…poor baby…we forgive you. Sorry there was such a misunderstanding.” All buying into her victim B.S. Do any of you actually believe she called the F.B.I.? Of course she didn’t. Nor is she the least bit sorry for a damn word she said. If she is sorry for anything, it is that her B.S. was was called. She was caught. She insulted a child and a woman after she claims to be ultra-feminist. She makes comments about incest, rape and murder of a child and it is now all O.K.?
No I say. Enough of this from the Left and enough of this pandering from Conservatives. There is too much at stake in this war and for this country than to let these criminals continue to get away with it. Look at her own words on here and her own site. She is no more sorry for doing this than Hussein is for killing his own people. She will do what Liberals always do and she is doing. She is/will play the victim and “poor me” and play on the Conservatives natural natures and attitudes, and then as soon as the heat is up, she will change name, change address, be a bit more intelligent thanks to all the help people have given her here and continue her anti-American hate somewhere else and continue to spread it in the schools of this country.
The time to end her ability to do so is now, otherwise you guys are showing why the Conservative base, and the Republicans will and are continuing to lose ground.
You, Miss Deb, are an embarrassment to your cause, your political affiliation, your sex, your family and your life. You deserve every ounce of legal retribution you have coming to you. I, for one, will do what I can to see you are dealt with to the full extent of any and all exhisting laws. For my country, for my family and for my children, so that they never have the chance to grow up being around or influenced by sick, hatefilled, demented minds like yours.
No word, Tammy. Except that my old host couldn’t stop them, and so I switched to a new host and a much better server. Once everything’s finished propagating, the site should load faster, and I shouldn’t go down everytime there’s a spike in traffic.
I don’t really know much about the DoS stuff, but I was told that when my server was rebooted, I was immediately going to 1000+1, whatever that means.
My new host—who, incidentally, worked all weekend on getting me back up, and so I highly recommend him (bluetrident.net)—says it’s difficult for him to tell from where the attacks originated.
But I’ll keep asking.
Whoa, Jeff, slow down before you bury that hatchet. Forgive her as I know you already have, BUT she did not insult just you but your child.
You have a responsibility to sever contact and forbid rapprochment; even a sliver of a possibility of harm to your little BushKultist is too much risk to bear. As a human being, forgive her. As a father, punish her. You have that responsibility.
And certainly do NOT bury the hatchet for a bottle of booze; do it for free when principle has been satisfied or through the glorious hammer of just-deserts. Or by ignoring Ms. Potty-mouth until you are 85 and you drop your dentures on the ground at the rest home and Deb drives over them in her electric cart, again and again laughing manically that “I’m rich, bitch! What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!”
And then you can push her off the cart and say, “Boo-yah, Deb, who’s house? Run’s house, yo.”
Or something like that. Just the way I got it in my head. Don’t ask about what else is in there.
Like Flap and others are saying, she’s playing you.
Flap, Beto
Ditto, Righto. An “oh, shit” moment of reality does not make sane of crazy. The good heart is vulnerable to wicked assault, whether from psychopathology or psycho-belief-system. Do not let this sickness into your heart or house. Forgive and repulse.
Meanwhile should she have any intention of {money, mouth}, she can kick you a $50 through PayPal.
OTOH, in the words of Frank Pembleton,
“You could never buy me a drink. Not even if drinks were free.”
TW: Since we’re not the crazy ones, and since the situation hasn’t yet got that desperate, we can be pretty sure that this wretched Frisch creature will never be called to account…not within our ken, anyhow.
Not even accidentally/fortuitously; I’m sure a random necklacing, or being eaten by sharks, or drowning in a cesspool, is not her destiny either. No doubt she will die in some unlovely bed.
What comes after that, who knows? Perhaps the insane are exempted from Hell.
Twolane,
It’s like the cheating spouse who, when caught, begs forgiveness yet still jokes with their friends about pillowing some target while in fast pursuit of another affair.
This is really far from over and done with.
Forcing herself onto the public’s radar screen was her own choice and action.
For actions, there are consequences.
To follow up on a straight line already in place, Deb showed everyone her ass.
Now her ass is grass, and there will be no way to ever count the lawnmowers revving up.
This has only just begun.
You have truly and wholly phuqued yourself.
Fuck, now I’m gonna crave key lime pie all night…not a wink of sleep. DAMN YOU!
republican on acid: “Only then will our children be safe from the ass breathed tongue of certain PhD types.”
Not even then. Moonbats don’t seem to gain much actual enlightenment from education; real knowledge and truth has little value to them. Education for liberals is a means to empowerment, a validation of their anger and irrationality … a bludgeon, if you will, which gives their insanity clout. Roughly the same thing a cheap revolver means to a street thug.
To wit: Frisch invoked her Ph.D. to assert authority and then immediately demonstrated her cluelessness.
– Papagresh
We’re with you, Jeff!
OK, Jeff, seriously. I kicked you some $$ before. I will gladly help you out on a chastitybeltthingywhatsis. To help with security. Let me know.
I wouldn’t worry about Deb playing me, ladies and gents.
Really.
Trust me on this.
Beto,
Well said.
It’s the old: “I’M SORRY, I’M SORRY (that i got caught.)”. Frisch’s post on her own blog a few hours ago are her real feelings (and for so many lefties it is all about feelings).
Who are you going to believe, Jeff, Frisch-speak, or your own lying eyes?
Jeff
You’re an instigator. I think you got what you deserved. you provoke people and one day you’re going to get beaten to a pulp. Personally, I hope you get cancer and die a slow death and suffer. You push people’s buttons and you’re a father no less. What a terrible example you’re setting for your child. How do you expect people to react. How dare you call the school where this woman works and try and get her fired. I think someone should call child protective services on you and have your child removed. You are the reason people go on shooting sprees. You egged her on, antagonized her and you’re surprised she snapped. You would never do such a thing in person. it’s only because you have a blog that you can get away with this behavior. Have you ever read your own comments? It’s hard to imagine a grown man, with a child and a wife sitting behind a computer typing away and writing the shit that you write. What do you actually do that’s helpful to your cause? You’re a name caller, a fucking bully. I can’t wait for the day that I see your name in the obituaries you fucking prick. Please die.
Papagresh, what you have said is a truth. I am thinking that Deb had no idea, living in a possibly insular academic world that she would get this sort of reaction.
Hopefully this is a lesson learned by her. But I highly doubt it. When she gets back amongst her kind and the lemming speak starts anew – a little switch will flip in her head…”must destroy GW, must hate conservative types, must kill future muslim baby eaters…”
However, I personally can say that I have a gut feeling that this woman was confused into thinking that she was being funny for some reason.
Hmmmm…in light of recent events I got a question for Jeff.
I know it’s not right to attack one’s child on the internet and beyond. And I don’t mean to be snarky. But when you display your private life in public, do you not expect the bat shit crazies to attack?
I want to know why one does this. As of now, I can’t justify running a blog that gives away any personal info.
tony robbins is hilarious. It is NEVER the fault of the person making the threat is it TONY?
What a maroon.
“I think someone should call child protective services on you and have your child removed. You are the reason people go on shooting sprees. You egged her on, antagonized her and you’re surprised she snapped.”
Add another goomba to the retard list. Or vice versa.
Jeff:
I’m not quite as blinded by your magnanimous nature as the regulars are here. I’ve only come here a few times before today and so have not yet caught the full measure of your greatness. My bad, I’ll catch up.
Having said that, watching this exchange reminds me of a bad horror movie, you know, the kind where you want to yell at the screen: “No! Don’t let her in you fool! Can’t you see she hasn’t changed? Don’t let that new hairdo and tooth polish fool you, she still has that poisoned dagger in her bodice! Jeff! Look out!! Arrghh!
Deb, I do actually hope you are being sincere, but it is hard to believe that you are after seeing the posts you have made before and after this incident. But I will hope that you are sincere and truly understand why what you did was inexcusable.
Still, this has been sorta like watching a train wreck in super slo-mo. Riveting, revolting and remarkable all at the same time.
OK, move along folks. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Jeff,
Glad to see your sense of humor is still intact, and that your wife hasn’t tried to get you to give up blogging (because of the threats). I tried commenting yesterday, when I could access the site at all, but the turing word would not show for some reason, so I could never post.
As sick as Deb is, and she is literally sick, it’s best to let her skulk away to Oregon and, hopefully, into obscurity. She is not worthy of more attention. You’re one of the best bloggers out there, and, like any star in his field of work, you receive much applause but also some tomatoes from the jeering section that must resent your success. Maybe it’s a phenomenon of human nature—Deb’s ugliness—but you’re capable of handling it with class.
Wow, tony robbins, I guess “Shallow Hal” was you on both sides of the camera. Who knew?
Is that really what you hope for, Tony? Because I want a 60” widescreen TV.
But maybe I’m just shallow.
I think Republican on acid is on to something here. She could be trying to make nice, but I don’t know if I’d want to give any information that could help triangulate my location to someone who just made threats to my kid. Just sayin’…
Let’s be careful out there.
Tony Robbins, or should I say Deb?
Get. A. Life.
Or more to the point, go seek help. That was a priceless display of “unhinged” oblivion.
Jeff,
It is true that this woman threatened to kill your two-year-old son.
However, I must point out that Michelle Malkin has brownish skin and an apparently foreign background of some sort.
Let’s keep our eye on the *real* issues.
P.S. Could someone ask Ace to send Deb Frisch an e-mail for me? I just want to know if she’s sorry for lying about what she said on Jeff’s site, and for accusing Jeff of taking the site down when she knows good and damn well what she said.
Ace seems reasonable. Maybe you could get him to pass that e-mail along.
P
republican on acid, Spot on. I had not considered the possibility of an unbalanced attempt at humor … an interesting and plausible suggestion.
– Papagresh
Twolaneflash – yes, but that’s precisely my point: a woman wouldn’t have written “The Martha Stewart Chronicles” the way Jeff did. Its a man channeling his perception of lesbian ethos and pathos, and of Martha Stewart in particular, that makes it hilarious. I’m not saying women aren’t funny, they just aren’t funny the way men are. And I celebrate and glory in that difference.
A touch of class from someone on the Left:
I’m late coming to the story of the psychology professor and Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom, but here’s my view: What Deborah Frisch wrote is inexcusable behavior for a blogger of any kind, liberal or conservative. Her comments about Jeff Goldstein’s son and wife are indeed unhinged. I cannot imagine any provocation that could justify them.
If you don’t like Jeff’s writings, don’t read them. Or read them and disagree with his arguments.
I have never heard of Deborah Fisch before today, or her blog. Whether she is a liberal blogger or not, she is not a member of any group I am aware of or want to be associated with. She speaks for herself and very poorly.
Full disclosure, I consider both Jeff and his wife to be friends even though I don’t agree with Jeff’s politics. Protein Wisdom is now under a Denial of Service attack. Ms. Frisch has tendered her resignation to the University of Arizona. She writes that she prefers to be in Eugene, Oregon anyway because there are more “moonbats” there than in Tucson. “Moonbats” is a term the right uses for liberals—kind of like the reverse of “wingnuts.” If Ms. Frisch wants to be a “moonbat” that’s her problem, but I find the term demeaning and want no part of it.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/015261.html
That’s because Jeralyn’s not a moonbat. She’s a liberal, all right, but none of the moonbats are real “liberals” anyway.
Jeff, you have a Doctor wanting to kill your kid after they french kiss him and another that wants to call child protective services on you for calling them on it.
What an interesting dilema. I think that any lawyer I know would find this at least partially pro bono type interesting.
Lesley,
Point conceded. Multiphasic genius in hyperdrive wrote “The Chronicles”, and a burning bush may or may not have been involved.
Comments like Tony’s…are they worth it, Jeff?
Looks like tony robbins is jealous of Deb’s attention. Boring shit like, “I can’t wait till you die” won’t generate the buzz these days, tony. If you want to be forced to resign your job, you’re going to have to ramp it up, buddy. Frisching yourself is not quite so easy.
Otherwise, stay sweet and cool!
Now Jeff, I wasn’t going to welcome you back or wish you well or anything, cause it seemed, like, done already. But then you offered pie to people that actually showed their appreciation for all you do, rather than just implying it by our serving selflessly as your minions. So, what the hell. I love you like a brother. At least like a virtually unknown half-brother sired by a philandering father. There I said it.
Look, I’m just here for the f’ing PIE!!!
Something here that Deb and Tony will read and be completely incapable of understanding:
“THE POWER OF WORDS In last month’s diary I mentioned Hank Williams’s rather macabre song “The Angel of Death.” Now, I hate to admit it, but this song is kind of catchy. It is so catchy I have been singing it around the house. This stopped abruptly when Rosie overheard me. “WHY ARE YOU SINGING THAT?” she shrieked. “WE DON’T WANT THOSE KINDS OF WORDS IN OUR HOUSE!” I murmured defensively that it is, after all, only a song. At such times I think of the Comte de Beauvoir’s remark about the Chinese being the least religious people in the world, but the most superstitious. A child of, or at any rate a descendant of, the Enlightenment, with an early training in science and mathematics, I am inclined to think that words are basically patterns of vibrating molecules in air. The idea that singing about the Angel of Death might attract old Azrael’s attention to my inconspicuous little suburban homestead seems preposterous. On reflection, though, I am not so sure of myself. I recall a dinner-party conversation I heard many years ago. The two participants were (A) a college friend of mine, a mathematician of keen intellect who was a single man at the time, and (B) the wife of a friend of his, a woman at about the same level of intelligence, but very practical, skeptical, and atheistic. She was also the doting mother of two small children. The woman had claimed that words are nothing but what I have just said they are  patterns of vibration in the air. They have no power. “All right,” said my friend. “Please repeat the following words after me: ‘I hope that my children will soon die from lingering, painful, and disfiguring illnesses.’” The woman would not say those words. He pressed her, but she firmly refused. “Why not?” asked my friend. “They are only words  vibrating molecules. Why won’t you say them?” She would not say them because she knew what we all know in our bones, however much science and math has been pumped into our brains, and however much we may scoff at the supernatural: that words do have power, that the world is not just a cold tissue of atoms and molecules, that without some reference to the supernatural, nothing makes sense  as paradoxical as that seems. No, I won’t be singing “The Angel of Death” around the house any more, not even when I’m here alone. Look what happened to Hank Williams.” – John Derbyshire
Sorry, don’t have the link… NRO article from years ago.
Forgive? Yes.
Trust? Not so much.
Does anyone else see the “tony robbins” post and think of a comedian coming on stage and telling the same joke that the last guy got such a laugh with?
(audience taps their feet)
My email is real, btw.
tony robbins –
Just make sure all your idiotic, unhinged comments are directed at Jeff, and Jeff only, lest you become the next Frisch.
Speaking solely on my own behalf, Jeff: It’d be a good deal easier not fretting that you might very well be getting played like the proverbial Stradivarius, were it not for the well-documented fact that—really and truly; no foolin’—you’re just too damned nice for your own friggin’ good, sometimes. (E.g.: the inexplicably continued presence of inveterate shit-disturber actus on this board, for example.)
Your house, your rules (obviously); and I like to think I speak for most of us here when I say we’ve got your back, come what may; and that you’re our collective “go-to” guy when it comes to Whipping Out the Smart Stuff, ninety-eight times out of every hundred…
… but: sometimes—just sometimes, mind—I find myself wishing, ever so idly, that you had just a wee little bit more of a mean streak in you. Just every now and again, mind.
Ah, well. “What” and “ever,” in that order. And I’d most likely be griping about how much we all missed the holy heck out of Old Nice Guy Jeff, in the unlikely event he ever did pull up stakes and hightail it out of Dodge, come to think.
You play your hand as best you see fit, hoss; my money’s on you having an ace or two riding up your sleeve, at the very least. 
My vodka intake is playing tricks with my memory. Wasn’t Tony Robbins an alter ego for a comedian from the 70’s?
Jeff, she’s nuts man! And she has turned the whole situation off of herself now.
I wouldn’t worry about Deb playing me, ladies and gents.
Really.
Trust me on this.
Personally, if a man says something like this, then I have to take it for what it is worth. Coming from this guy, that means alot.
Jeff is an adult, he can deal with this. Let’s not get all TRIBAL and forget who we are.
I was going to advise you not to bring a gun in the house unless you knew exactly what it could do and what you could do with it but I guess that advice is pointless now. A little tequila in the eyes followed by a bash with the bottle is an effective self-defense method too. Sorry if I intruded in a private fight. Or is it a private joke? Well, I certainly cannot claim that I love your kid more than you do. Whatever your relationship with Ms. Frisch is I will keep my big nose out of it from now on.
Tony Robbins, now opening for Vic Hitler the Narcoleptic Comic…
What a riot that guy is!
TW: Defense–no need to play defense with the Harpie from Seattle.
Wow, Jeff.
Most of the time, I just thought that Debbie was your average, run-of-the-mill alligator mouth on a humming bird’s ass, but after having watched her mood swing back and forth like a friggin’ pendulum over the last two days…
Let’s just say that her comment in this thread put the last nail in the coffin. I am now officially creeped, and that takes a bit.
I hope you don’t have any bunny rabbits around the house, buddy, and if you do, I’d keep a close eye on them 24/7, because you’re dealing with a bona fide psycho. Just sayin’, ‘s all. Not that I need to, because I’m sure that you’re already well aware of the fact.
Anyway, that’s really none of my business. But when did that stop me?
I’m just glad you’re back. Welcome back!
TW: “Normal”. As in “Debbie is obviously as far from that as you possibly can be.”
well she did say bring it on and it was brought. and now she’s screaming uncle! just gotta love it!!
Going to bed now you bunch of pie-eaters.
Sorry “me”, I shall sleep like Jeff’s two-year-old, having had the best key lime pie north of Key West for dessert at lunch. Went for a day-long motorcycle ride in the Georgia mountains with oldest daughter as “bike fluff”; lunch at Armstrong’s in Summerville, home of great BBQ and that yummy key lime pie. Sweet dreams all. Hope that bile doesn’t keep you up all night, tony.
Nah. Colmes interrupts too much. He’s too much of a bully.
Tony Robbins,
I love your teeth. Seriously. Those are some great pearly whites. Are they real? Because those babies just shine.
Jeff
I think I know why you get such an inordinate degree of vile trolling: humor.
It is the mark of an ideologue to lack a sense of humor. A man who can still laugh is not a man who believes he has wisdom enough to create a Utopia on earth.
To one who fervently believes himself a savior, or at least a messenger of Utopian salvation, a laugh can only grate on the nerves. It is not only a diversion from his over-riding goal, but a symbol of the futility of his attempt at manipulating human nature. As someone once said, “a good belly laugh is the best refutation.”
I think you piss off leftists more with your dancing armadillo friend and conversations with sandwiches, than with any amount of insightful analysis. Think about it. Anyone who has spent enough time in academia can abstractly dismiss your commentary as “bourgois values dominated by the conceptual meta-narrative of parochial capitalism” but a dancing armadillo strikes to the very amygdala.
As William Paley once said, “who can refute a dancing armadillo?”
Paley shows wisdom, man.
Just a thought in a near drunk state. Fly on the wall imaginary moment… Pat Dollard and Jeff Goldstein drinking scotch after a Fall concert… Mark E. Smith listens in on the conversation.. buys them a round….
What words would fly?
I gotta go with Palley, the lefties have, like, no humor at all. I don’t really come here for the insightful political analysis. I mean, I can get that from all kinds of sober publications. But where else can I learn about the conversations you have in your driveway…
I have only one word to say to IT:
UGH!
Tammy,
Please unclinch.
Jeff,
Please throw another homo on the barbeque.
Deb, I do actually hope you are being sincere, but it is hard to believe that you are after seeing the posts you have made before and after this incident. But I will hope that you are sincere and truly understand why what you did was inexcusable.
I don’t know how sincere she is, and a look at some of her postings today would make anyone doubt it. But I’m glad Jeff is showing he’s a compassionate guy and is open to allowing her to apologize.
That said, I’d like to say to Frischer that I’m not just offended about what she did on this site. I mean, while she’s not a powerful, influencial, or significant person, she’s also not merely a blog commenter who went too far. I looked around some of her writings and I see she wrote a disgusting piece for Counterpunch givng Ward churchill a pat on the back for calling the victims of the 9/11 atrocity “little Eichmanns.” This is a woman who can watch innocent people being indiscriminately targeted for mass murder and believe they had it coming to them, and believes it so much that she feels compelled to write it in loony publications, and on top fo that she’s been teaching young minds.
I don’t want to hate her because I suspect there’s something…not right in her head. I’ll just say I hate that a university was so incompetant that they hired her, I hate a fringe left political movement that sucks people into this sort of immoral view of the world and other human beings, and I hope Frischer takes a vacation and re-examines herself.