For those of you who haven’t seen this Inside Higher Ed piece, take a look. Then blink, and look again.
Does the story as it appears at Inside Higher Ed match the version of events we all watched unfold over the last few days?
Anyway, I responded in the comments there, but my comment has yet to appear, so I’m going to post it here while I’m still up and running:
I received no email or phone call from anyone at Inside Higher Ed.
A few corrections: 1) I don’t believe I engage in “considerable mocking of liberal academics and ideas.” I taught English for a number of years at a private university in Colorado, in fact, so I’m not unfamiliar with the academy.
True, I have addressed issues of identity politics within the academy, but I’ve done so seriously. And for the record, I consider myself a classical liberal (I am about as far from a social conservative as one can be, for instance). so while I’ve written extensively on questions of progressive philosophical assumptions and how they lead to things like, say, free speech zones, I don’t mock liberalism. Just the opposite in fact: I think progressivism is in opposition to classical liberalism—particularly insofar as it promotes group identity over individualism.
2) Frisch’s apology was immediately followed by a walking back of that apology, and has now culminated in a desire to see rightwingers heads cracked open with baseball bats, and suggestions that I doctored her comments.
But her comments were cut and pasted as she made them, and they are recorded in Google caches in pristine condition. The suggestion that I altered them, therefore, is potentially libelous.
3) No one on my site harrassed Frisch, as a perusal of the various threads she appeared on will attest. And in my post, her school email was not included.
4) Frisch is relying on sites like this one to suggest that she is a victim. Don’t let her get away with it. Frisch was looking, by her own admission, to be banned from my site.
Not only that, but she is trying to suggest she is guilty of nothing more than engaging in a “teachable moment”—the presumptuous and self-importance of which is staggering.But it bears noting that, even in your article, Frisch, an adjunct instructor, refers to herself as a “professor” and compares herself to Ward Churchill. Her desire for academic and leftwing martyrdom drips from her every word and claim. But I won’t be used as her dupe.
I had been prepared to let this go (something I believe I made fairly clear after my site recovered from one of the 3 DoS attacks I was under this weekend), but now that Frisch has decided to try to parlay her infamy into victimized Truth Speaker status, I’m prepared to follow through and make it clear once and for all that Ms Frisch is a very sad case indeed. In fact, the only reason she’s a “target” at all is that she has worked hard at setting herself up as one.
That is to say, rather than blaming “rabid, crazy, right-wing nutcases” for her troubles (such as they are; I happen to thing she’s quite enjoying the attention), she should take ownership of her own behavior, which throughout has been vile and manipulative.
— Jeff Goldstein
proteinwisdom.com
Also, I was able to find a window of uptime to grab a screenshot of Deb’s comments by IP from the other night. The screenshot appears below the fold. The comment where she mentioned frenching—which she’s now denying she wrote—is highlighted. See the original here.
If Frisch now wants to claim that I altered her comment in some way—rather than suggesting she never wrote it to begin with—we’re talking about libel.
Note that I began my post detailing her comments at 10:05 pm and simply cut and pasted her comments as they came in. The comment in question came in at 10:07. The first direct response to it—which quotes from it — comes at 10:10. Directly after that, Frisch comments again. And again. And again. And again (here, she repeats the “progeny” line). And again. And not ONCE does she say that her comment has been altered.
So unless I’m engaging in some very fast multitasking—putting up the post, altering her comments, etc., she said what she said. And it’s there for all to see. In fact, she comments in the very thread where I reproduced it, and doesn’t mention anything about the comment being false or altered in any way.
In fact, here’s another mention of her wanting me to kiss the “spawn” for her. Still no suggestion I altered the comment.
But does that stop the folks from Sadly, No! from going to bat for her? Well, SADLY, NO!
Frisch is a liar. She should have let this go. And those sites who are repeating her libels should probably reconsider and issue corrections. Because up until now, I haven’t really been pissed. But that’s beginning to change.
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IT GUY DOING HIS TEST….. fear me…
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Glad to see you are back up.
Glad to see you’re taking the Yon High Road on this, Jeff. What she’s doing should be punishable by law. Playing the “poor me” victim now is in extremely poor taste. (and judging by the backtracking she’s doing now…. I’m guessing she tastes like CHICKEN. BAWK BAWK)
Is it just me? In the links above that reference comments beginning at 10:10, I only see comments thru 10:09 pm.
How do you figure that the S,N! people went to bat for Frisch? As far as I can tell, this makes sense only if you think of assholity as a zero-sum game, which it isn’t. They think Frisch is an idiot, and they think Goldstein is an idiot. Saying mean things about Goldstein isn’t elevating Frisch in any way.
From SadlyNyet:
And then:
So if someone could please tell me who I am, and if I really exist it would be greatly appreciated. Also, does this mean I am like Satche’s Virtual Uncle or something? I mean, if he exists that is, cause I’m feelin’ like shit now for forgetting his birthday and all. If he even has one.
I might need witheld to explain this, I don’t think I’m realty based enought to understand.
Everybody together now:
You just can’t make this shit up.
Maybe Sadly,No! changed their post, but earlier they were pushing the story that I altered her comments or made them up.
Patterico wrote on it.
Frisch is proof that a “fruit loop” isn’t just something that you find in a cereal box. The hat that she is wearing isn’t made out of tin foil; it’s made out of lead, which is why logic and reason have difficulty reaching her brain. (You could say that Frisch is a Lead-Head, instead of a moonbat.)
on 07/10 at 06:30 PM, B Moe quotes a lunatic who uses his old fantasies about Jeff Goldstein as evidence to back some new ones, and then says:
That’s the beauty of being a liberal. Fearless when it comes to doubt and being wrong.
Is it just me, or do people like that spend a ridiculous amount of time telling each other how personally virtuous their political affiliation makes them? I’ve seen similar B.S. from religious people. It’s pathetic. Who are they trying to convince?
The next time I’m in Colorado for a family reunion or just passing thru, I intend to issue an invite Jeff for a double Tequila, my treat. Bringing the ‘dillo is optional.
PS: And no, I’m not hitting on Jeff … I’m old enough to be his Mom.
B Moe, I got good news and bad news: You do exist, but I… am B Moe!
I’m really beginning to think she was involved in the DOS attacks, given her attempt at changing the story and implying that Jeff might alter her comments. Too convenient otherwise.
Jim – Nah, it’s not “too convenient”. She improvised some lies to take advantage of circumstances. Is there any reason to imagine she controls a botnet, or whatever’s involved in a DDOS?
Ahem…drinking bodyshots from the ‘dillo’s shell is REQUIRED to be a Lvl 10 PW Comment Warrior. Double shots for the ladies; the randy little fellow has needs too, you know.
Probably not personally. Even though it’s not terribly difficult to pull off a DOS attack these days, I don’t think she’s got it in her, really. But the oh-so-convenient timing, plus some comments left at Ace’s site by someone calling themselves “not deb” push me toward that conclusion. So, yeah, I think she’s involved but not necessarily running the bots herself.
Welll I have sat with the esteemed Jeff Goldstein and his wife at the dinner table and watched this young lad, who answered to a name, squeeze food with his hands and feed his darling little face….so, BMoe, you can be assured that Mr. Goldstein and family are indeed real.
Although, now that you mention it….I didn’t ask for ID.
they were probably all actors rls.
I really believe Frisch was doing all this to gain fame and notoriety. She has a post up fantisizing about being on Letterman and Leno for Gods sake!
It’s my guess that Thirsty is her hero, and she was trying to follow in his footsteps.
Pretty much did too.
The weirdo.
Cool, now if I can just get dorkafork to do the dishes and clean that damn litterbox….
Aaaaaaaah, I didn’t know.
Revision: bringing the ‘dillo is MANDATORY! Triple shots for the house.
B Moe sez:
I dunno, man. But if you’re me, we’re fucked.
So, uh…you got any booze?
I think you’re showing amazing restraint. If someone had said these things about my child I would have gone looking for them. I also think it was very shocking to see a young girl in the picture with frisch and her girlfriend….imagine what she can do to that young mind. My thoughts are with you. This woman deserves anything and everything she gets.
The politics in this country are truly frightening and everything like this I read makes me proud to be Canadian
Don’t worry Jeff, the more factual evidence you supply, the guiltier that makes you… don’t you know? The “reality based†community sees facts as only political biased interpretations to be divvied up & not reality itself. In their world, Republicans are Nazis, Gore & Kerry won convincingly, losing is a victory & the only real evil there is is anyone who takes exception to their “reality†or point of view. The ironic part, well amongst many, is that they can use your comments from other sites as arguments against your character or to defend the indefensible comments of DFisch, but the postings of Deb, w/ accompanying I/P address, are suspect & possibly faked. We, the ones here who witnessed the accompanying mental meltdown in real time, know that you were nothing but polite & many of your commenters actually expressed concerned for her well being aka threatened her w/ violence. How anyone can read Deb’s ramblings on her web-site or her comments posted here & see her being victimized, deserves not only our scoff but our pity. I pity anyone so enveloped in their beliefs systems or petty hatreds that they can see poor Deb as anything more than an imbalanced loon.
Actually, I think if I am you, dorkafork’s fucked, but I am not for sure yet.
Jeff,
I haven’t been following this as closely as you have, obviously, but I didn’t take that as support for Frisch. What everyone agrees & agreed she wrote is stupid enough by itself, and S,N!, like pretty much everyone else, thinks it’s enough to label her creepy and awful. They might be overly credulous in believing claims about falsified quotes, but your post makes it sound like they were saying that Frisch didn’t do anything wrong. Those two seem importantly different.
Sounds like somebody’s getting it, one way or another.
Man, I hope I’m pitching.
I picked this up from a Flopping Aces UPDATE a few minutes ago:
FL —
Well, I provided a link so people can decide for themselves.
But from my perspective, a site that is using Frisch’s nuttery to come after me—including repeatingly false charges about outings, etc—is doing her work for her, especially when they suggest that I had some hand in manipulating or doctoring her commentary.
I cautioned them to backtrack from that. Looks like they may have.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
Just close you eyes and keep repeating:
Like a Viking!
Like a Viking!
Like a Viking!
And I think we will be okay.
On the above non-apology apology by Dr. D …
She is sorry for saying she would be indifferent … so what does this mean? She is really indifferent just wishes she hadn’t said so or ?
She is sorry she upset and stressed out HER friends and family? What? Yeah, what about Jeff’s friends and family? What about all the rest of us on the right who have children and now worry about crazy leftists?
She is sorry the UA’s name got dragged in. Well, she should have thought of that before she advertised her connection to UA and what is she really sorry about … that UA doesn’t want her anymore?
She apologizes for embarrassing the students and faculty at UA … why would they be embarrassed? She embarrassed herself.
Her last post as Southwestpaw for a month … who cares … and how many other names does she intend to post under in that month. This is the biggest bunch of B.S. yet. Jeff, get really really pissed and stay that way. This woman deserves a real rude awakening, hopefully at the hands of some burly FBI agents and a prosecuting attorney.
Jeff,
I am an occasional reader………and a father. I commend you on your maturity and calm during this nuttiness.
She is a lesbian, leftist troll who only boosted your standing in the blogworld and despite her ‘assertions’ has ruined her own possibilities for employment and a respectable life. Much like Denice Dee whatshername (who launched herself earthward from 47 floors!) she will be nothing other than an asterisk in blog history.
Riiiiight. Remember all the times she said she waqs leaving PW and wouldn’t be back?
Jeff, I honestly don’t get why you are starting to get pissed now. Honestly; questioning my intellectual integrity vs. any MENTION of my son, much less what this person said?
I’ve got two words for you, “contingency fee.” Get her.
You’re an enabler, FL.
Hey, I gotta idea! We should get a bitchslapdown match between Deb “Ew! I frisched myself!” and Jesse Adam “I am a Army Ranger Special Ops Navy Seal Hamburger Flipper” MacBeth. Maybe David Letterman can book them on his show as stupid Human tricks. Or then again, maybe not.
Ultimately, it’s not the truth that matters to a disintegrating mind like hers—only the consequences. And there would have been no consequences if she had opted for the “Merely be thought a fool” option.
So yeah, my vote goes to “just wishes she hadn’t said so.”
Tony, how much cayshe can you get from an unemployed former adjunct?
I guess you could attach her future book royalties.
Ha!
I just read the “Sadly no” article and half of the responses and I have enough ***boggle*** to last me a decade!
to recap according to “Sadly no” and it’s audience, what Frisch did was just fine because:
1. All conservatives are responsible for the Iraq war and therefor mass murders.
2. Conservatives are all responsible for the KKK and therefore racist Nazis.
3. Conservatives are all responsible for Ann Coulter because … how’s that pie?
4. Frisch didn’t say anything really bad to these not so little Eichmanns
And when some commentor (linked from here no doubt) actually quoted Frisch in full:
5. Killing and raping one child would be nothing compared with what you conservatives are guilty of, every one. Hardly worth noticing.
6. “Fuck off”
7. We’re raising the level of discourse!
This is even more of a human train wreck than Frisch was.
“Its audience” not “it’s audience”
(this comment is just a placeholder so I can turn “notify me of follow-up comments” on.)
Turing word picture as in “I see pictures of people standing on their heads, they’re ready!”
On “Sadly, No“‘s talking points:
In the end, they are all just rationalizations of bad behavior- typical of intolerant extemists with no moral compass nor conscience…
Jeff – When you speak to the feds, the buzzwords are “Communicating a Terroristic Threat.”
The FBI doesn’t like people who do that.
BMoe & Pablo  This actually represents a bit of a breakthrough on the part of the ‘reality-based community”. It was just a couple weeks ago they were convinced we were ALL Jeff’s sockpuppets; now they’ve narrowed it down to just you.
No kidding. I haven’t been able to find any good tin foil for ages – it seems that supermarkets only stock aluminum foil nowadays. And wouldn’t ya know it, aluminum foil actually amplifies the signals from the mind-control satellites operated by the consortium of the NSA, CIA, and the evil gray aliens. Never trust the gray aliens.
Re: “Sadly, No“‘s talking points…
Shouldn’t that be “stalking points?”
LOL. Guess you didn’t get the word from Maggie’s Farm:
Debbie is Karl Rove?
Of course, why didn’t I think of that?!
I tried this before, but it didn’t take, so here goes.
She claims to be sincere even though here latest apology linked to a site which called Jeff “Count C***ula” and had more darts thrown towards him. Everyone seems to feel this is a new practice for this very sick and potentially felonious piece of human waste. I would like to direct you guys to some postings made as long ago as January of 2005, more than a year and a half ago at Left2Right.com (gotta love Google):
She will not go away, and will continue with her tirade until someone actually does something to stop her. The fact that a supposed instructor of psychology feels justified for making the comments she did, can actually rationalize them and then play victim while at the same time continuing the charade is indeed disturbing. I wonder how her partner feels? Did she know what type of psycopath she devoted her life too? What about the child seen in some of the on-line photos? Can people actually trust someone who advocates incest, cruelty and murder of an innocent 2 year old with other children? And finally, what about all the people that are still supporting her and actually rationalizing what she is and has said in print?
She goes and resigns from a job supposedly over this incident and then states she was going to anyway. This is penance? I say it is up to every one of us to make sure she is never put in charge of having anything to do with instructing anyone ever again. Soon, she will attempt a job in education elsewhere. It is up to us to continue to inform potenial employers of this useless sack of phlegm just exactly what type of mind they are hiring and who will be representing their establishment. Maybe then this woman will get help and see that freedom of speech has limits.
She is not now nor ever will be repentant for what she did or does. In her mind, she is right and justified.
How many other Liberals out there are of the same mind and just haven’t found their voice yet?
Thanks for posting that screenshot. Pre-emptively added to the ban list.
Color me TOTALLY unsurprised at Sadly No’s bullshit. Par for the course.
Hi, I’m an occasional reader and I enjoy what you write when I’m here.
I can’t believe the audacity of some people. I seriously hope you can find some ground to take her ass to court.
slh: “The politics in this country are truly frightening and everything like this I read makes me proud to be Canadian”
ROFLMAO you have got to be kidding, did you miss the Liberal “Soldiers…with guns…in our streets” and “we’re not allowed to make this stuff up” right after they made stuff up?
I’ve been watching this trainwreck all weekend and thinking “thank God for Jeff that he’s in the US – there are probably laws against this sh*t there.”
Oh, and can someone please explain the armadillo?
I am sorry that things came to this Jeff. It seems Frisch has gone over the deep edge again. Press charges against that loony bitch. And if that don’t work just kick her damn teeth in.
The armadillo dances. Or so Jeff says. None of us have seen it happen, but have read years of excuses.
TW: I hope that answers your question.
Jeff, at al,
So, is this witch supposed to be fairly representative of the Two Mommies Culture? I’ll bet she thinks she is, and if so, why on earth would any thinking human want to a) spend tax money providing her benefits, and b) put children in a house with her?
Just curious. Seems like a poster child for the religious community that regards all homosexuals as immoral and indecent…
But we keep hoping, because we’re Jeff’s bitches and we have no choice.
I don’t give a shit about Frisch, who should know better than to say nasty things about little children. Even the fact that mainstream pundits like Coulter, Savage, Beck et. al. regularly wish death on their opponents doesn’t make it right.
I would like to point out one line in this whole debate that made me laugh out loud:
Jeff, you’re in dreamland if you don’t acknowledge that you engage in considerable mocking of liberal academics and ideas. That’s a fair description of what goes on here, both from you directly and amplified through your community of commentors.
The thing that gets me with you is that you spend half your time in full-blown snark dismissive mode, openly and joyously mocking and deriding those that disagree with you; then, when challenged, you retreat by saying that all you are is a humble academic with a vision of idenity group politics that is more liberal than progressive etc etc.
Two posts later your dick is out, or you’re making nasty jokes about Jimmy Carter, or you’re making snide cracks about this liberal institution or that, or you’re laying out a 1,000 word explanation of why our culture is weak and doomed.
I know I don’t come here much anymore nor do I really engage with your community of commentors anymore, so yeah, it’s a drive-by comment.
But did you say she should be shot? I am kind of into this story half-way through.
Give it a rest, beetroot. You know that when I talk about progressivism, language, identity politics, and the academy, I do so in sober posts.
That I mix sober posts and jocularity seems to make you think it is impossible to distinguish one from the other.
And my posts about linguistic assumptions and progressivism as it pertains to the academy are almost always detailed and sober examinations.
After that, if I take out my dick in another context, what does that have to do with the context I mentioned?
Yes, that was rhetorical.
David —
Out of context. I provided the context in my comment to the Tuscon Citizen. I’ll repost it here for you:
Hope that provides the proper context for the remark.
Deb had been saying for days kookie killer kristians go around slaughtering and shooting. I was simply playing to her own stereotype.
Sully and Greenwald are conservatives, beetroot. Just ask them.
Going back to your post (remember?) why insult fry cooks? It’s an honorable way to make a living.
Whereas teaching “risk-taking and decision-making” at a community college is an enterprise which should not be encouraged by spending tax dollars, some of which comes from fry cooks. Or Walmart greeters.
That bitch is crazy. Kudos to you Jeff, for not hunting her down, hog tying her like the pig that she is, and giving her the beating of her pathetic life… She would deserve it, and we would all cheer!!! What a twisted, sick individual…. And that “apology”? ARE YA KIDDING ME?? This is clearly a case of “pathetic lifeless bitch craving attention because mommy wasnt there” with a possible side of “Uncle Daddy is actually a jellyfish and thats why I have no spine”
What a FUH-REAK!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff,
If her “threats” could in anyway constitute a crime, you should go after her. Writing as she did about your child implies a deep sickness, it wasn’t funny, normal people of any intelligence do not do such things. Period.
Anyone that libels you over this should also be put on notice. Many things can be tolerated, but not this.
What shocks me is that a University would not without hesitation remove her asap for such comments.
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