We have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced …
Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie’s story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone’s editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie’s credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie’s account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn’t confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence.
In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.
When the WaPo did the digging Rolling Stone should have, Jackie’s narrative unraveled …
The U-Va. fraternity chapter where the alleged attack on a student named Jackie was said to have occurred in September 2012 released a statement Friday afternoon denying that such an assault took place in its house. Phi Kappa Psi said it has been working with police to determine whether the account of a brutal rape at a party there was true. The fraternity members say that several important elements of the allegations were false.
A group of Jackie’s close friends, who are sex assault awareness advocates at U-Va., said they believe something traumatic happened to her, but they also have come to doubt her account. They said details have changed over time, and they have not been able to verify key points of the story in recent days. A name of an alleged attacker that Jackie provided to them for the first time this week, for example, turned out to be similar to the name of a student who belongs to a different fraternity, and no one by that name has been a member of Phi Kappa Psi.
Reached by phone, that man, a U-Va. graduate, said Friday that he did work at the Aquatic and Fitness Center and was familiar with Jackie’s name. He said, however, that he had never met Jackie in person and had never taken her on a date. He also said that he was not a member of Phi Kappa Psi.
Of course, the usual suspects of the Vagina Warrior Outrage Brigade will not accept this!!
#StompyFoot !!
What I don’t get is if rape apologists are so sure rapes are hoaxes, why oppose investigating them and getting out that fact?
— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) December 5, 2014
.@RollingStone did not say this woman's story was false, but their cowardly statement ensures that will be the takeaway
— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) December 5, 2014
Stupid f*cking slimy victim-blaming Rolling Stone….
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) December 5, 2014
Actual rape victims have been ill-served by the Left. They have been reduced to just another fodder group upon which the Social Justice Warriors can grind their misandist axes. Amanda, Jessica and Sally show their first concern is politics, not people.
It is who they are, it is what they do.
Rape is a crime and needs to be evaluated and prosecuted under the same standards as murder, assault and theft. Nothing more, nothing less.
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BREAKING: “Jackie’s” real name is Roxie Hart
.@JessicaValenti did not say she was a vapid twat, but her substanceless whining ensures that will be the takeaway
Because people thought Rolling Stone should have done a more thorough investigation of its story, those people are against thorough investigations.
That’s a level of nuance I’ll never be able to approach.
Amanda, Jessica and Sally show their first concern is politics, not people.
Dunno, but seems to me their behaviors here fit near perfectly with the thesis of William Voegeli’s new book Pity Party, and to that extent these three aren’t terribly concerned with politics in any broadly meaningful sense, but at best merely with their concept of partisan politics. Weirdly though, one might think they’d have some serious concern for themselves (I mean, they are shouting “Look at me!” at the top of their lungs) and yet what they do with stupidities like these is to discredit themselves in the views of decent people looking on. Kinda dumb, really.
sdferr
Yes, I should have put and asterisk next to “politics”.
Care about actual people? Nah. They don’t. Everyone is just a means to their ends.
I should have said something about actually ‘caring’ about themselves as people, which one would simply assume, but isn’t simply evident.
Melissa McEwan Tweet:
I can’t state this more emphatically: If Jackie’s story is partially or wholly untrue, it doesn’t validate the reasons for disbelieving her. (Emphasis added)
Ponder the glory of that statement: Untruth, i.e. even total fabrication, is not a reason for disbelief. And the Left says it’s not religious.
Damn well put, Darleen. Dead solid perfect.
What I don’t get is if rape apologists are so sure rapes are hoaxes, why oppose investigating them and getting out that fact?
Um.
That’s OUR side’s argument, Mandy, not yours. We WANT investigation.
Who the hell is she arguing against?
Oh my, Shermlaw, I looked at her TL and the meltdown is fascinating in a cant-look-away-from-gory-accident way.
And the fall back “LOOK HERE” position seems to be BUT BUT RAPE CULTURE IS REAL!!
This Vox thing is particularly hysterical and suspect.
Too good not to pass on — read elsewhere:
“A Rolling Stone gathers no facts”
it doesn’t validate the reasons for disbelieving her.
I was flummoxed by that until I realized she means that “the reasons for disbelieving her” are “women lie” or “she asked for it” or “it’s always a hoax.”
She is operating from the assumption that people doubted her story NOT because there were significant holes in it or because it was obviously not validated but because misogyny and patriarchy and stuff.
Same planet; different worlds.
just change it to “rape culture” news
>Insight into the quasi-religious motivations that stand behind climate activism cannot finally resolve the empirical controversies at stake in our debate over global warming. Yet understanding climate activism as a cultural phenomenon does yield insight into that debate. The religious character of the climate-change crusade chokes off serious discussion. It stigmatizes reasonable skepticism about climate catastrophism (which is different from questioning the fundamental physics of carbon dioxide’s effect on the atmosphere). Climate apocalypticism drags what ought to be careful consideration of the costs and benefits of various policy options into the fraught world of identity politics. The wish to be oppressed turns into the wish to be morally superior, which turns into the pleasure of silencing alleged oppressors, which turns into its own sort of hatred and oppression.<
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You know who this hurts the most?
Gloria Allred and the other victims of Bill Cosby’s insatiable lust for drugged out wimminz.
And so close to a payday too.
Warren Bonesteel didn’t lie about rape.
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13523#comment-590426
“Knowledge Is Good” — Faber College
Here’s another tweet from one Jesse Spafford:
Even if it turns out that the UVA truthers were right, their epistemology is warped by ideology. Lack of justification offset by brute luck.
Note the philosophical sleight of hand. Epistemology is the theory of what constitutes knowledge, not knowledge itself. Knowledge is a justified, true belief that something is so. Yet, No one claims to possess knowledge of what occurred to the accuser other than the accuser herself. But Spafford must maintain that the opponents, i.e. the ad hominem epithet “Truthers,” claim knowledge in order to say, “Well, yes, they were justified in disbelieving the accuser, but it resulted only from ‘luck’ occasioned by their ideology. In other words, he argues disbelief preceded the evidence.
The problem is, the disbelief was occasioned by the evidence as reported. Verifiable yet unverified facts preceded disbelief, not the other way around.
proggtards are cargo cultists
university of virginia lol
that hooch in charge needs her a good pimp slap right across her whore face
the patriarchy news
>She was rape shopping: going from campus to campus auditioning rape victims, contacting advocacy groups and asking for introductions. But the rapes she found at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Penn didn’t have the right narrative feel.<
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isisisislam news
Multiple people reported stabbed at Niles, Mich., Amtrak station
harvard rape fuck yeah
i haven’t thought about harvard rape in like forever
The voices in her head.
Sabrina Rubin Erdely = Billy Flynn or Mary Sunshine? Hmmm.
She is operating from the assumption that people doubted her story NOT because there were significant holes in it or because it was obviously not validated but because misogyny and patriarchy and stuff.
di
Even linking to the Rolling Stone apology makes one a “rape apologist” or “mocking rape victims” because giddiness or something.
As I’ve been accused of on Twitter. Heh.
the proggtards are religious folks like the allan dudes. treat them as the psycho clowns that they are.
“hands up seek jesus”
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as far as “religious cults” go. i stand with the jewish guy’s stuff. sometimes a history of mankind’s travails is a good thing. oh noes bible.
As I’ve been accused of on Twitter.
If you’re catching flak…
BREAKING: “Jackie’s” real name is Roxie Hart
“They had it comin,…”
You call it evidence, they call it a veracity bomb.
McGehee,
How about “Truth Turd In Progressive Punchbowl?”
I think Glenn Reynold’s had the pithiest take:
By the way, is it just me, or are today’s feminists bound and determined to see to it that all women are treated like children?
It’s not just you, I assure you.
The Left – the Illuminated Ones – want to treat us all as children.
We’re so unformed that we need our Gnostic Overlords to guide us in every aspect of Life.
Crying ‘RAPE!!1!!1!’ in a crowded campus filled with targeted, impressionable sacks of raging hormones is a weapon the culture warriors can ill afford to lose. These attacks against those presenting evidence of a failed rape-weapon will be unrelenting and virulent. Be prepared..
Well, if our Gnostic Overlords would quit sexualizing everything, we wouldn’t have to have these moral panics, now, would we?
#waronwomen indeed.
Curiouser & Curiouser:
https://twitter.com/DanRiehl/status/541095087699406848> “Rolling Stone’s on record source served on TWO WH task forces?? What are the chances??”
di
I catch flak because I have no problem getting in the faces of people who *feel* The Narrative is more important than people’s lives… whether it is actual rape victims or the majority of boys & men who are suffering the consequences of being considered as potential rapists at all time.
The Mary Sunshines and Billy Flynns can all go to hell.
[…] Click on Protein Wisdom: Teach women not to lie about rape: Rolling Stone walks back UVA rape story I wonder how much real rape victims have been hurt by this hoax; how many will think that, heck, […]
In a related recent phenomenon we see another aspect of progress and of progressivism — apparently a phenomenon which many progressives find dissatisfying. But hey!, fuck it progressives, tough it out! That progress means the destruction of The New Republic itself seems never to have occurred to them. And isn’t it funny that the progressives could teach Chris Hayes to want to possess The New Republic, to have learned from The New Republic that it is a thing of great worth, and yet that it must be destroyed under the logic of its own making? But the frustration of the institutional participants resigning en masse and they condemn the end Chris Hayes makes of their beloved is nothing short of hilarious, if you ask me.
has the new york times printed jackie’s address yet?
Can’t, HF — she’s pro-narrative.
Those who veracity-bombed her lie, on the other hand, will be duly SWATted.
oh.
it’s just i made her a cheese ball
No, I’m pretty sure God’s the one who made her a — oh. Never mind.
In a culture that promotes casual “hooking up,” the morning after can often bring some sober regrets for one or both parties involved. The guy can’t do much about his regrets but the girl can deny her share of responsibility for her psychological discomfort by interpreting her recollection of events as a rape. Of course, I am not saying that actual rape does not exist nor am I attempting to minimize its seriousness.
taichiwawa
I have grandsons — the oldest two are 12 y/o twins. They are being raised with a healthy respect for NOT having sex as long as they can.
As they get older, they will be told to avoid all compromising situations where a girl – either crazy or vindictive – can ruin their life because the culture these days makes sure he’s guilty until proven innocent.
Darleen
Worse yet, craziness or vindictiveness may not even be involved. The process of confabulation I described above can occur entirely on a subconscious level as a coping mechanism.
“Actual rape victims have been ill-served by the Left.”
See Clinton, Bill (and Hillary),
Kennedy (take your pick)
etc.
Fake but accurate, defended.
Maddie, Maddie, Maddie. Deary, those rapes don’t pop!
Just remember: The woman is the only one allowed legal recourse for her regrets the next morning.
That seems like a good rule of thumb to bear in mind.
Says Maddie: “Two weeks into a process of healing and concerted action, the only shared conviction now is one of profound uncertainty.”
Ah yes, the process of healing of a phantom blow to a phantom life resulting in phantom re-stitching of phantom tissues. Jesus. When was falsehood vaulted into the firmament of excellence? When was all credit due to stupidity?
Julia, rather, not Maddie. Apologies for the error of attribution.
**** The University of Virginia — like most American universities — has a problem with rape.
Current estimates, cited earlier this year by Vice President Joe Biden, hold that one in five women will be sexually assaulted while in college. That means that in my 200-person politics lecture, roughly a full row will be filled with survivors.
In my 20-person major seminar, there are at least two. That is not a calculus I should have to work out in the margins of my Marx-Engels reader. ****
Commie arithmetic.
Go figure.
When was falsehood vaulted into the firmament of excellence?
Georges Sorrel
When was all credit due to stupidity?
Forrest Gump
And there’s any number of place where the 20% number has been debunked in recent days.
for the umpteenth time
Is quite enough to debunk anything.
I would not be surprised if 20% experienced sexual assault over the course of 4-5 years if that includes kisses they didn’t want or getting swatted on the butt, both of which qualify for that offense.
I am so very glad I am not young any longer.
Lefties (aka Liberal Fascists) do love them some straw men, don’t they?
“…if rape apologists are so sure rapes are hoaxes…”
Who says that? Nobody I know.
I would not be surprised if 20% experienced sexual assault over the course of 4-5 years if that includes kisses they didn’t want or getting swatted on the butt, both of which qualify for that offense.
“Your Honor, I am a student of Physics at this university. As I am sure the Court is well aware, a central tenet of scientific theory is the confirmation of claims through experimentation and observation. To that end, my actions should not be considered as sexual assault; rather, I was attempting to ascertain through empirical evidence whether the posterior in question was, in fact, JUICY, as claimed by the young woman through the message posted on said posterior.
“This hearing is completely unfounded, and makes a mockery of the scientific theory and empirical experimentation in general. This hearing could just as easily be held to defend the young woman against charges of false advertisement. Charges which, unlike those against myself, can be fully supported by evidence, as I can assure you by personal observation that the young woman’s derriere is not, in fact, JUICY.”