The 2014 enrollment period for ObamaCare is being delayed until AFTER the mid-term elections.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and a Department of Health and Human Services official confirmed the change to the 2014 sign-up on Friday. That decision does not affect those trying to enroll this year. Rather, it affects those who will sign up late next year for 2015 coverage.
The administration will allow consumers to start signing up on Nov. 15, 2014, as opposed to Oct. 15. Enrollment will last until Jan. 15, 2015, instead of Dec. 7. […]
[B]y pushing off next year’s enrollment period, the administration conveniently pushes off the possibility of any ObamaCare hiccups until after the midterm elections.
“Transparency” in this case meaning “we can see right through you, you sunnuvabitch”.
They are so obvious in their machinations, and yet the left continues to describe them as brilliant.
Something’s happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear . . .
There’s hellomyageistwelves carrying signs
Mostly saying, “Hooray for our side.”
– The more they desperately scramble to try to save this clown disaster train wreck the more desperate they get.
– As the Titanic starts to slip beneath the waves of the blue Atlantic you can hear the mournful wails of the true believers…..
“Bail faster!”
Well, at least Barack is going to have the historical presidency that he always claimed it was. Of course, descriptions of Barack’s presidency will also include more than a few adjectives, such as “notorious,” “corrupt,” “clueless,” “feckless,” etc.
G. Van Susteren and Sen. Tim Scott eviscerate the White House’s own (specious)
justificationpropagandaexplanation, with ease. 2014 chess game over ObamaCare begins?New Obamacare Report: The Nightmare Has Just Begun
Anyone in the stadium in South Bend watching Notre Dame vs. BYU?
Good luck keeping them fingerses and toeses. #singledigitwindchill
– If he keeps it up Baghdad Carney will be lucky if they don’t just drag him out to the Capital reflection pool and drown the son of a bitch.
– Still clinging to hopey changy….
“…And yet even for us, at least in the college health insurance market, the ACA has truly been the “law of unintended consequences”.
– The problem as yet is still “unintended” in these morons heads. The Bumblefuck clown disaster denial express rumbles on.
– In other news…..
– Remember Crystal Mangum, the Duke accuser?
In other news – Rush grabs fame for self, sinks Republicans even further.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rush-Limbaugh-rape-filibuster-rule/2013/11/22/id/538216?ns_mail_uid=81163778&ns_mail_job=1547338_11232013&promo_code=15B69-1
helloiaminane
Really?
“In other news – Rush grabs fame for self, sinks Republicans even further. ”
In the minds of idiots who will lose interest within a week or two at the most.
He mentioned rape. That’s a sin when we want it to be. Boycott! Unless it fails. Like last time.
Obama photobombs every national observance, but hey, LOOK OVER THERE at fame-ho Rush!
bwhahahaha!
Binders full of women and stuff. Serious business. The new KKK. Also nazis. And poison the air and water y’all! We are the champions!
rush wasn’t talking about rape rape
I guess I don’t understand why Rush’s analogy is so offensive. It is, in fact, far less offensive than what Dingy Harry did.
The best thing for Democrats is for your side to keep reminding them of what the alternative looks like.
It’s as though 500 Republican office holders all cried out, “WTF!” in unison. (another 500 secretly wished they could give a full throated speech supporting El Rushbo)
The alternative looks like Obama telling you that if you like your insurance you can keep followed by a cancellation letter and stupid people trying to explain why that’s a great thing.
I guess I don’t understand why Rush’s analogy is so offensive.
It isn’t, of course. But the use of it is a nicely feeble example of Alinsky bullet #4 — if only it could be made to stick. Which, naturally, it can’t be, so retarded are those who seek to use it.
The alternative looks like Martin Bashir telling a bizarre and grotesque on air story about a slave owner who punished slaves by having another slave excrete into their mouth and eyes and suggesting that Sarah Palin deserves to have that happen to her merely for likening a system where one is forced to buy expensive health insurance with poor benefits to a form of economic slavery.
Stay classy democrats!
martin bashir
Rushgrabs fame for self, sinks proggtardsRepublicanseven further>The best thing for Democrats is for your side to keep reminding them of what the alternative looks like. <
life without obamacare?
Sure. You keep reminding people what life was like without Obamacare and we’ll keep pointing at the wreckage and the carnage.
Oh, you thought you’d present another dystopian fantasy and sell it as life without Obamacare? Silly, Slappy, the American people are stupid, but not that stupid. They can see the dystoian fantasy that is Obamacare and their memories are not that short.
If only Martin Bashir claimed 20 million listeners and had Democrats apologizing to him all the time.
If only…
Don’t forget to employ the ‘no true scotsman defense’ for your side even as you sing ‘birds of feather’ for the other side and try to awkwardly explain why it should make sense that every time Rush Limbaugh mentions the concept of rape a new community agitator gets his clipboard.
“hellomynameissteve says November 23, 2013 at 6:16 pm
If only Martin Bashir claimed 20 million listeners and had Democrats apologizing to him all the time.
If only…”
Don’t worry. Fox showed he clip and several conservative radio programs played the audio of it. It’s getting out just fine. And it looks really bad for people like you Steve.
Oh, yeah! Bitching about a radio host will totally make people forget about the destruction you’re reigning upon their health care situation. Yep, that will totally redeem the lying cocksucker you foisted upon an otherwise ignorant public and the trainwreck he visited upon 1/6 of the American economy.
Good thinking, Slappy. Go with that.
GODDAMN YOU RUSH LIMBAUGH! i CAN’T FIND A FUCKING DOCTOR TO SEE ME BECAUSE YOU WERE INSENSITIVE!
Fuck you, Slappy. Your messiah is a piece of shit. He is not a good man. He’s a scumbag. Just like you.
The best thing for Democrats is for your side to keep reminding them of what the alternative looks like.
Yeah, who wants icky things like less-intrusive government, lower taxes and more freedom?
Pull the other one, liar.
If only Martin Bashir
claimedactually had 20millionlisteners andhad Democratsdidn’t have to keep apologizingto himall the timeFTFY
I think Rush just knows he does a lot better when he doesn’t have to carry the water for your failshit party when it’s in control.
Well, you’ll have quite a lot to worry about with the utter failure your party has become. But keep apologizing, you’ll need the practice.
>If only Martin Bashir claimed 20 million listeners and had Democrats apologizing to him all the time.<
Seasoned MSM Journalist Asks: ‘Time to Pull the Plug on MSNBC?’
Limbaugh is here placed in the role of what David Mamet refers to as “the reiteration of recognition symbols” [3:33]. Mamet’s own example happened to be Jon Voight, but it’s the same deal insofar as the act of invocation is the act of unthinking morons (my characterization, not his) in search of reassurance.
I think the progs are running out of shiny objects to point to in their quest to deflect the public from noticing what an epic failure and a complete idiot is Barry. He has outsmarted his merry band of sycophants, so there’s that.
Anytime you haul out the “Rush bad! Obama good!” gambit, it’s a sure thing you guys are in a sticky spot.
hellomynameissteve says November 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm
In other news – Rush grabs fame for self, sinks Republicans even further.
– See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52019#comments
Now I know you won’t answer any of my questions.
You don’t understand them.
Actually, it’s because we’re not playing your game. Go #StopRush, freak. Waste your time elsewhere.
Oh, you could also be planning the talk right now. Because you’re stupid.
Make A Pledge, hellomynameisanumber! You know you want to!
Rush said that!
Oh noes…
Now stevie thinks we’re not hip.
I’m so sad.
That does it, I’m voting democrat from now on.
– As much fun as it is to pull the wings out of Stupid-steve and point and laugh at his teeny political weeney, its sort of gilding the lilly at this juncture because the Demorat Proggies are in all out meltdown. ‘Swhy they’re trying to pivot to the Hildebeast, but they’re confused. Their party block leader didn’t say anything about how eventually all the faked bullshit and narrative lies would come home to Roooooost, so now they’re wandering around with a crisus in their hand looking for case to make so they have somethingt familiar they can understand.
– Total fucking empty headed morons.
Rush says that men should use the Reid rules to vote to make rape legal in the Senate! I saw it with my own eyes! Yaaaaaagh! Also it’s good that Obama fucked up your insurance and lied to you and made you look like the biggest fool ever when you defended him. Cluck cluck cluck.
I wonder if anyone is planning on suing their State Insurance Commissioner for approving all of those shitty insurance policies…
Because social justice…
Binders full of women? Cis or trans women bigot?? Who are abusing in binders? Specify! Gwaaarrgggghhh!! Rage!
– They’ve managed to nuance themselves into a political pretzel.
– Brilliant. All the while their golden boy Bumblefuck keeps setting them up, jerking the rug out from under them, and leaving them hanging.
– Gotta wonder if they’re that stupid they’ll keep defending his idiot self for much longer. Has to be getting really painful judging from the squaking screeching Dem turkrys in Congress.
– Is there anything the Progressive bastards won’t do for power?
– I guess when you have no principles being a party whore isn’t so bad.
Yeah, fine.
It’s all fun and games ’til someone’s mama gets et.
Bitches.
I know, it’s so terrible having roads, police, fire fighters, soldiers, an FBI, clean water, drinkable air, safe and effective drugs, a safety net for seniors and the less fortunate, schools, safe food, national parks, navigable waterways, safe air travel, satellites, GPS, basic research, etc, etc, etc.
I’d much rather keep all my money and get together with my neighbors and we could figure out how to do all that stuff ourselves.
haha I said “drinkable air”. breathable too.
Over at the New York Pustule, Chas M. Blow is exhorting the Barky faithful not to give up on him just yet…
Why, then, do you break your arms trying to sweep his long-term dishonesty under the rugs?
Obama’s whole identity is about routing the US Constitution, and in doing so he’s bringing this Republic to the brink of catastrophic economic fail and perhaps a civil war. But don’t let that bother you, because PROGRESSIVE CAUSE!
Sure, when pigs fly out of your racialist ass.
There’s nothing about Progressive Change that’s sustainable. We are financially ruined; she’s gonna blow, Jim.
Be sure to personally thank a Progressive when she does.
Why’nt you go follow Ted Kennedy’s gal and drink an Oldsmobile full of water just past the end of a short pier ?
Steve, you’ve worn out your welcome. Just go away.
I JUST CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT BARACK OBAMA CLEARING LIFE’S PATH FOR MEEEEE!!!!
/super fanboi gets to board the train first.
Aand, Iran gets nukes. WTG, progs.
WTF is it with lefties and roads? Like there were no roads before the DOT was spawned?
Those ears! They’ll stop the Iranian nuclear program! I just know it!
/So how will they wipe the Jews out???
“Transparency” meets an even greater “transparency.” Absolute clarity in our time is reached.
“I know, it’s so terrible having roads, police, fire fighters, soldiers, an FBI, clean water, drinkable air, safe and effective drugs, a safety net for seniors and the less fortunate, schools, safe food, national parks, navigable waterways, safe air travel, satellites, GPS, basic research, etc, etc, etc.”
This boy is so stupid he doesn’t even distinguish between the constitutionally overstepping federal government and state/local government. You kinda have to understand then his cluelessness about personal responsibility and the role of family, church, and community in a free society.
Jews and Saudis have a handshake deal about airspace.
Stay scared, Persians.
>I know, it’s so terrible having roads, police, fire fighters, <
we do dat at the state level fascist
leigh, if you had to fund your own roads… well let’s just hope you could fashion a sturdy pair of boots.
The WaPo says it’s a win for John Kerry. I wonder whether it will still be a win for John Kerry when discrete parts of Persia begin to mysteriously vaporize in the middle of the night?
hellomynameisMussolini
Steve, before you leave forever, please explain what in your list is covered by the enumerated powers of the national government under the Constitution. Yes, the yucky basic governing document from which federal powers are granted by the People and the States.
Show me where the word “environmental protection” appears in the Constitution. Or “health care”.
>, if you had to fund your own roads<
see pa turnpike clowndisaster™ wannabe
Oh heck RI Red, that old thing? Nah, we’re on to new modes and orders these days, or that is, older modes and orders when we bother to think a little on it.
the good and plenty clause dudes
Will Rogers Turnpike. Turner Turnpike.
RI – According to the legislative, executive, and judicial branch – all of it. I get that you have a different opinion. Do you get that your opinion doesn’t have any practical implications whatsoever?
HOLY SHIT! YOU”RE RIGHT? ZOMG! You should let the supreme court know RIGHT NOW dude.
Please let us know what they say?
eire canal clowndisaster™
Red’s opinion is valuable around here, steve. Yours? Not so much.
>! You should let the supreme court know RIGHT NOW dude.<
eff 9 clowndisasters in robes. eff proggtards
>Please let us know what they say?<
art v conv. clown eff dc
hellocanyouguessmyname?
OMG, steve, you’re absolutely right! I take back everything I ever said about you!
Ok, your mission is done. Please go away.
no a commie and a pali killed the “kennedys”. it was not “you and me”.
And right! There it is RI Red, let’s face it, you and we live in a tyranny in which the arbitrary decision to make the US Constitution meaningless has all practical effect, and has not a whit to do with a constitutional democratic republic. New thinking is required, of necessity. It may take a bit of getting used to, but there are plenty of examples available from which to learn how to cope with the regnant exigencies.
HOLY SHIT! YOU”RE RIGHT? ZOMG! You should let the supreme court know RIGHT NOW dude. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52019#comment-1036597
You mean you agree that the Federal government has been overstepping its constitutionally-defined boundaries?
Or are you perfectly okay with the soft tyranny as long as you get all that free stuff you are stealing from your neighbors?
Dayum, sdferr. I am so stealing regnant exigencies. Or was that exigent regnancie? I get so confused when considering Steve’s world.
No, I mean that since three branches of government, and the populace (because there isn’t popular support for eliminating the EPA), disagree with you, then you’re probably the one that’s wrong.
You keep accusing the guy that pays more taxes than you of stealing. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
You see, Slappy, the Founders were a hell of a lot smarter than you and Barcky are. They knew that the best way to keep people free is to keep the government small, and that is why they specifically gave all those powers (for such things as environmental protection and health care) through the 9th and 10th Amendments.
“Any government big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.”
“it was not “you and me”.”
Context newrouter, context…
The Prague Spring is usually understood as a clash between two
groups on the level of real power: those who wanted to maintain the
system as it was and those who wanted to reform it. It is frequently
forgotten, however, that this encounter was merely the final act and
the inevitable consequence of a long drama originally played out
chiefly in the theatre of the spirit and the conscience of society. And
that somewhere at the beginning of this drama, there were individuals
who were willing to live within the truth, even when things were
at their worst. These people had no access to real power, nor did they
aspire to it. The sphere in which they were living the truth was not
necessarily even that of political thought. They could equally have
been poets, painters, musicians, or simply ordinary citizens who
were able to maintain their human dignity. Today it is naturally
difficult to pinpoint when and through which hidden, winding
channel a certain action or attitude influenced a given milieu, and to
trace the virus of truth as it slowly spread through the tissue of the
life of lies, gradually causing it to disintegrate. One thing, however,
seems clear: the attempt at political reform was not the cause of
society’s reawakening, but rather the final outcome of that
reawakening.
popl page 43
(because there isn’t popular support for eliminating the EPA)
Another lie.
You keep accusing the guy that pays more taxes than you of stealing.
You accuse Mitt Romney of stealing, and I’ll bet he pays more in taxes every year than you make in ten.
“Pays more taxes than you”
Assumes facts not in evidence, steve. Ready to match 1040s?
“Who killed the Kennedys?”
When after all
It was you and me
>(because there isn’t popular support for eliminating the EPA<
show me poll data assertion monkey
Well that was a tad redundant, don’t you think?
the original epa did their job. time shut it down.
that point flew over there i think
You see, steve, most of us here are pretty forthcoming about our backgrounds, education and occupations. You, on the other hand have disclosed the following: Oregon, 250k income, 10k to charity. But no mention of credentials, education, degrees, occupation, etc.
Together with your prog talking points, you have exactly zero cred here. Go away, put up, shut up. Whatever.
And you have no redeeming qualities.
next up: typing with the left hand.
[regnant exigencies] They’re simply conditions frequently known of old, anyhow, RI. Shit happens and has to be dealt with. The necessity of making new choices are sometimes imposed, rather than freely taken up. The Poles in Sept 1939, for instance, learned exactly this to their chagrin. Or the USA on Dec. 7, 1941. Nor need aggressive attacks be open and visible, but can just as readily be surreptitious and underhanded. New modes and orders, after all — only they’re very, very old.
BigBangHunter wrote at 1521:
I’ve got two meat hooks down the basement that I could use to help with that.
Sdferr speaks, I listens. I enjoy being around the big brains here. Steve’s company excepted of course.
Do you think I scared him away? Oh noes!
Btw, went to see Catching Fire tonight -great adaptation of the book and much tighter than the original Hunger Games. A dystopian future perfectly in keeping with Steve’s ceding all power to a national government, willingly or not.
Slappy is looking forward to the lesson that District 13 got…
Show us your tax returns or kiss our asses.
All of them.
” Please let us know what they say?”
That corporations have free speech rights like people.
” I know, it’s so terrible having roads, police, fire fighters, soldiers, an FBI, clean water, drinkable air, safe and effective drugs, a safety net for seniors and the less fortunate, schools, safe food, national parks, navigable waterways, safe air travel, satellites, GPS, basic research, ”
None of those things require a huge federal government and most of them are not even something initiated by the government. And several of them are done shittily at great expense.
C’mon, steve. Dueling 4506Ts at dawn. Or I’m going to bed.
Yeah, didn’t think so.
Shorter steve: nothing can be done without the federal government including things that were done without the federal government because experts who work for the federal government told me so.
” I do not think that word means what you think it means. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52019#comment-1036642”
Yeah well, you didn’t know what “value added” means and you think that without the federal government there’d be no “basic research” so it’d really be about par for the course with you to not understand something well enough to discuss it intelligently.
You’d think Steve would be one those people that voluntarily send additional money to the IRS each year, above and beyond what his tax bill states. And refuse to take any deductions, for that matter.
THIS is how popular OBamacare is.:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/22/poll-if-voters-had-known-theyd-lose-insurance-romney-would-have-won/
“A Wilson Perkins Allen Opinion Research survey conducted from Nov. 18-20 asked voters who supported President Barack Obama in 2012: “As you may know, millions of Americans have lost their insurance plans despite President Obama’s promise that, quote, ‘if you like your plan, you can keep it.’ If you knew in 2012 that this promise was not true, would you still have voted for Barack Obama?”
In response, 23 percent said they would not have voted to re-elect Obama, while 72 percent said they would still have voted for him. The largest number of defections were among female voters ages 18-54, 31 percent of whom said they would not have supported the president.
An ABC/Washington Post poll released earlier this week found that if they had a do-over, Romney would win 49 percent to 45 percent. The difference is within the margin of error of 3.5 percentage points, but Obama polls a lower percentage of the vote today than he did in November 2012.
A generic ballot question on the poll found likely voters favoring Republicans for 2014: 39 percent of independents said they would vote for the unspecified Republican candidate over the unspecified Democratic candidate, compared to 30 percent who said they would vote for the Democrat.
Eight percent of Democrats said they would vote Republican, compared to just four percent of Republicans who said they would vote Democrat.”
Here you go RI. Your turn:
http://postimg.org/image/rwily8c7r/
where’s your name, address and soc. sec. no. clown? we want to know you ahole
$131 in taxable interest? What do you have , half a million in savings? A ten year CD is only paying like 1%!
where’s sched c or c- ez O!bot
And I’d like to see the receipts for all the voluntary payments Steve has made, above and beyond the minimum level of taxation he thinks he is suffering under. I mean since the Treasury accepts money from anyone who wants to send it in, and he is arguing that he isn’t paying enough in taxes…
LS, I keep a good chunk in cash, but it’s not near 1/2 a mill. It’s over 100k though at any given time. You should see my retirement. You’d shit bricks.
Who’s up? RI? Where’d you slink off to.
Drum, what do you make a year?
More.
Poor you.
Prove me wrong, liar. (Nice photoshop, too. Almost looks real.)
Un-huh. A hundred grand wouldn’t come close to generating that much interest these days. My $30k in savings made about 10 bucks last year. And I have retirement accounts too, but I don’t report those gains to the IRS until I withdraw. And no, yours wouldn’t bother my bowels in the least.
How old is that return, 10, 15 years?
Oh fuck it, we’ve gone this far:
http://postimg.org/image/i10jn1ctd/
– Yeah. All of the above. Live by the poll, die by the poll, and they’re all going south faster than migrating geese for Bumblefuck and the DemoRats. Thats why they’re in such a panic with 2014 looming. You saw the proof of this with the delay to OCare Friday. They are sucking the gas.
– Steve-dolt is now pronouncing what is and isn’t relevant. Sort of the village idiot trying to learn the alphabet. Isn’t that just precious.
– Fact is, the Proggies are about to lose the Senate, which will make Bumblefuck laimer than an Edsel, with two years to go. Lots of time to completely undo all the fucking damage, amd lots of time to promote a solid T Party candidate for POTUS.
– I hope the Progs get so dispondent suicides increase at alarming levels among the moronic Left. That way they won’t need baby murdering to thin out their ranks.
Oh that’s right, the USA has a retirement fund crisis too. Gee. I wonder if our government will try to fix that too, and how. No….of course not. You can keep your doctor*!
(* by “keep your doctor” we actually mean “eat your peas”.)
Fact is, the Proggies are about to lose the Senate
Slappy STILL hasn’t addressed the illegalities committed by his boyfriend, that were the subject of this thread.
If 404Care is so great, why does he keep delaying it until after politically significant dates? Why isn’t he pushing for as rapid an implementation as can be arranged?
If it is just a crappy website issue, and that will be fixed, why would he push off the part that guarantees coverage for all those millions who are going to be losing their insurance next year?
You don’t delay successes, and you don’t start pointing the finger of blame at victories.
” the Proggies are about to lose the Senate”
The dems might but proggies will most likely keep it no matter which party has the majority when ti is all over. That’s a big part of why we are in these messes.
Teah, not inpresses.
Hey, did you know the Dems are hot to, ah, nationalize our 401(k)’s and fold them all into a social-security type program? To save us from the stock markets volatility of course.
Do you understand what that means stevie? It means soon Obamas Quantitive easing fueled wall street house of cards is about to come crashing down, and your party will use that crisis they created to take the pitiful amount that remains in your portfolio and invest it into government for your own good.
Bank on it sparky.
pala, drum, tinybanger, what do you make a year? Let’s see a screen cap from the PDF your accountant sent over???
– You do if you know the mood of the voters you just screwed over irreversably (because the people who know all say it can’t be “fixed”).
– Steve-dolt will never admit it of course, but something else that can’t be fixed is reversing a lost cred with the LoFo voters.
– The die is cast and Bumblefuck couldn’t win dog catcher now, and the Congressional Progs are going down with him.
– So Bumblefuck lies, then he lies again, and yet again. The truth floats to the surface like oil on water:
– You’ll lose your policy.
– you’ll lose your doctors.
– none of it can be fixed.
– The LoFos may not pay attention to the political bullshit but they can read a policy cancellation letter just fine. Bye-bye Baracky.
What the hell? Yeah, not impressed.
“Lots of time to completely undo all the fucking damage, amd lots of time to promote a solid T Party candidate for POTUS”
Hate to tell you, but that’s delusional.
palaeomerus is much closer to the truth.
” Hey, did you know the Dems are hot to, ah, nationalize our 401(k)’s and fold them all into a social-security type program? To save us from the stock markets volatility of course.'”
Did you know that Roth IRA’s are a tax loophole that needs to be closed? Pay your tax on the principal before you invest? WTF? Noooooooooooooooo! (Congress and their staff would be excepted of course)
” pala, drum, tinybanger, what do you make a year?”
Nah, fuck that. I never asked you to post your personal information, don’t think it’s a good idea, and think you’re a liar anyway. And I sincerely hope your screen cap was edited with something that doesn’t preserve metadata in the file or that the site that you posted it to strips such data off before they publish it.
Taking back the senate from the dems is minor victory if that. Taking it back from progs is probably going to take 12 years at a minimum and that will be done uphill both ways. Some of the old farts will die off and that will help but GOP is not showing much signs of having will to roll anything back whether they win or lose enough seats. They are the fail more slowly party so if they win that’s all acwe win: fail more slowly. And then we have to worry about Cruz getting sucked into the machine and coming out a pod. Rand Paul is already showing unfortunate “stategery” signs of not wanting to fight in the shade of as sky blackened by arrows and not wanting to dine in hell tonight because they might have to wait for a good table. The GOP isn’t going to rediscover courage with power and the dems aren’t going to shut up for long even if they get bitch slapped to a back bench for a decade.
The word of the day is slog.
Hate to tell you, but that’s delusional.
– Yeah, probably. On the other hand its surprising what a really pissed off disillusioned electorate can do.
– I don’t care for smoke being blowed up the ass, but I’m not a committed pessimist either. So you pays your money and takes your choice. I come down on the side that believes a lot can be done.
“and think you’re a liar anyway”
Yeah, so I wouldn’t worry about the rest.
“I’m not a committed pessimist either. So you pays your money and takes your choice. I come down on the side that believes a lot can be done”
I’m not a natural pessimist either, but I really think we’ve crossed the line of no return.
Know what would change my attitude and give me hope? If just ONE of these things happened;
1) Just one alphabet bureaucracy went away, the NEA, EPA, HOLC, PWA, TVA, NYA… I don’t care. Just ONE.
2)A balanced budget amendment is passed that limits revenue to spending with real teeth.
3)The 17 amendment is repealed
4)Public unions are outlawed
5)The IRS is totally reformed and simplified, preferably to a flat tax, but I’ll take ANY meaningful reform.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think to turn the ship around ALL those need to be done, and done even more when it comes to the bureaucracy, but any one would give me a small whiff of hope.
I’m not going to hold my breath.
Ah fuck, screwed the pooch again.
I miss preview.
If hellomywadisbiggerthanyours is so rich, why does he need insurance? He can just buy the hospital.
” – Yeah, probably. On the other hand its surprising what a really pissed off disillusioned electorate can do. ”
Well you have to try, whether it’s hard or easy, if you think its the right thing to do.I think it’s an ugly slog though. The stupid and lazy has had time to set so it can’t be drained out. it will have to be chipped away slowly.
roads, police, fire fighters,
NOT the duty of the Fed gov
soldiers
One of the few responsibilities of the Fed Gov (as acknowledged and supported by Conservatives. Leftists? Not so much)
an FBI
Again, protection of citizens rights is the duty of the government. Seizing Paul’s property to give to Peter & Julia, is not.
clean water, drinkable air, safe and effective drugs
Don’t need Gov for that. e.g. UL
a safety net for seniors
Why do Leftists hate families?
and the less fortunate
Why do Leftists hate charities, fraternal organizations and churches?
schools,
See my first answer.
Let’s face it, inane, you’re a fascist.
“it will have to be chipped away slowly.”
We don’t have the time.
Do you know what happens when interest rates rise a couple of percent and most of the budget goes to servicing the debt.
Bad shit, that’s what.
The world will have to have a long long serious talk about money, assets, and outputs.
And with commies on the bridge we will be more likely to get delusional than do writedowns and encourage output by hook or by crook.
Money that can’t be paid back won’t be. Promises that can’t be kept won’t be.
Yeah, that’s when the riots and looting start.
You spelled “lies” wrong, Slappy.
“You should let the supreme court know RIGHT NOW dude.”
Dred Scott was unavailable for comment.
“Bad shit, that’s what.”
HelloMyNameIsLiebot’s alleged retirement nest egg won’t be be enough to buy a postage stamp, for one.
http://www.linns.com/howto/refresher/20090525/rc5_0525_big.jpg
A milliard is what the Euros call a billion.
A memory of victory past. Generic news story for Democrat president follows.
hellomynameissteve says November 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
leigh, if you had to fund your own roads… well let’s just hope you could fashion a sturdy pair of boots.
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It’s been done.As a matter of fact its done every day. And far cheaper too. The roads in the subdivision where you live were all built with private money. They are maintained by the state or municipality with tax dollars.
The gasoline tax and the apportioned taxes trucking companies pay are called use taxes. They are paid only by those that use the roads. If you don’t use the roads you don’t pay the tax. The same goes for toll roads.
If you’re going to post at least have a working knowledge of the subject at hand.
Transparency from the Obama administration.
Admissions from the New York Times…
Now: Feds take monies (gasoline taxes) and ‘redistribute’ them back to states for (mandated) transportation projects.
Mike Lee’s new House Bill, “No more Federal Gasoline Taxes“…
It’s been done.As a matter of fact its done every day. And far cheaper too.
We have a private road and it’s maintained by us. It’s about a mile long, too.
I totally agree, Mueller. When I lived in PA, our subdivision also paid a crew to keep our roads plowed in the winter and swept in the summer.
We should offer our debtors hard physical things instead of hard cash. For example, we could give up certain parts of California to the Chinese (eg. San Francisco and LA, including Hollywood, and some of the ‘blue’ corridors along the coast). Of course, the Chinese would have to ‘manage’ the current inhabitants of those areas. That might be a deal-killer, given that the PRC values people who are productive sorts…
They have built in enforcers in SF and LA, serr8d. The Chinese bosses run much of the coast, including the mayor of SF.
– Yeah Leigh, I was going to say the chinky-poos already run most of San fran nut-ville indirectly. As long as the movers and shakers make money they’ll let the moron Lefties imagine they’re in charge.
If your leader is willing and able to lie to the general public, over and over again, about what he intends, what he is intent on actually passing into law. If you, his supporters, support him in his lies and in the passage of those laws which were lied about, how do you know, really know, that you too have not been deceived as to the intentions behind and the effects of his actions?
You don’t of course. But you assume that you are a special person. One who is not being lied to and that what he intends is exactly what you want. You are special, just not the special you have been led around to believe.
From what I heard, the Chinese are busy buying up great swaths of farmland in the Midwest.
I remember a couple decades ago everyone was scared the Japanese were buying up California. I doubt it would work out any better for the Chinese.
The chicken farms around us, which includes AR, OK, MO and KS are owned and operated by Laotians and Vietnamese. Or it could be that they operate them and they are owned by the Chinese?
Historically, Asians all hate each others guts and are very tribal, so that may not be true.
Prior to internment in WWII, the Japanese who had been in California for generations DID own a large amount of very productive farmland. Their lands, homes and vehicles including farming equipment were all confiscated and sold off while they were imprisoned.
Eventually, the government did pay some monies in the form of reparations but it was nowhere near the actual value of the lost farmsteads. Many Japanese in the Central Valley have gone into politics over the years. The uncle of one of my high school classmates was sort of the Japanese Boss Tweed of Central California for a number of years.
The Barky dog bites.
Andrew McCarthy, “the Obamacare scheme.”
Well, hello, Steve! I’m glad to see that the free market has been good to you; I actually believe that those are your numbers. Because I’m going to be a little more circumspect with my numbers, here’s what I’m going to do: either Jeff can be an intermediary and exchange email addresses for us (the g mail account, please, Jeff ), or I can send my info to Jeff and he can forward it to you. Your call.
Now, you are going to have to wait until a week from Wednesday- I leave early on an airplane tomorrow for vacation. But when I return, I will forward the identical info to you. All you need do at that point is confirm to Jeff or pw at large that I was right. I do not intend to crow and I ask that pw also respect that.
Now, to the meat of things: my queries to you regarding education, occupation, etc., are not meant to belittle you. I am actually interested how ‘successful’ people in this country gravitate toward their political positions. Much like sdferr has queried me on my road to ‘enlightenment’ , I am truly interested in how you have gotten to your point.
Rather than be a gadfly here, steve, let’s ratchet back one step. Share something. I’ll go first- I am an attorney, a veteran, and I am 61 years old. I also snowboard. I like cats. I enjoy the mental give and take at this site because these folks have thought a lot about where we are and why it’s just not good for anyone, yourself included. I do not slink, I walk rather proudly, and have small American flag stickers on my cars because I am so proud of this country in its one of a kind lifting of millions from destitution and its beacon of hope to the rest of the world.
The ball is in your court, steve. I trust that the pw community would give you due respect if you level with us just a little bit. Thanks.
Don’t be coy Red, despite what looked like a form stevie posted, I still think he’s lying, a pretend form is easy to fake.
If you’re going to do it, do it. No need to involve Jeff, just list your gross and net income, and your federal tax paid. I’ll believe you without the form way before stevie can convince me he didn’t sneak out of the basement and lift daddies tax form while he wasn’t looking.
Okay, lee. I still won’t have access to forms till after vacation, but gross began with a 4, agi began with a high 3 and tax paid began with a 1. To the best of my recollection.
The sad thing is that only about half of tax paid went to actually enumerated powers stuff. The rest was redistribution, waste and brave new world. But I’m still going to do steve the courtesy of actual numbers. He can claim bs if I’m blowing smoke.
please no 2nd hand smoke ;)
I’m still laughing about the good and plenty clause, nr.
OT: Any fans of The Mentalist around here? If so, anybody else feeling a tad underwhelmed by the way they got rid of the (alleged) archnemesis?
I’m a fan, but haven’t watched it yet.
I’m more concerned that the redhead will be leaving the series at the end of this season.
BTW, if they got Red John easily, then yes, I will feel underwhelmed. That guy should be tough to the end.
I won’t spoil it for you, but the redhead leaving is in fact part of why I’m simultaneously underwhelmed and intrigued.
And sure to be disappointed no doubt when Van Buren and Rigsby go off into retirement to make lots of babies.
Van Pelt
Ahhh, Ernst, you meant Old Kinderfelt!
Somebody gets it.
“Obama’s Disdain For The Constitution Means We Risk Losing Our Republic”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/19/obamas-disdain-for-the-constitution-means-we-risk-losing-our-republic/
Ana Marie Cox reveals that “mansplain” really just means “I wish he would just shut his mouth”.
Obama program has scientists saying “WTF?”
http://www.nature.com/news/neurotechnology-brain-storm-1.14105
It probably ends with people chanting “Ouroborindra! Ouroborindra! Ouroborindra ba-ba-hee!”
See also: state & local government.
We lost the Republic some time ago, which manifests itself for disdain for the Constitution in the first place.
Obama’s naked disdain for the constitution means we risk losing our democracy to mob rule.
On the bright side, though, the mob never rules for long.
That’s an enormously crucial comment Ernst, both in depth and in scope. I hope you take some time to expand on it or sharpen and fill in detail as you see fit. There’s a great deal I find to agree with in it, to enlarge and analyze, and possibly minor differences to elicit and clarify too (for instance, I might suggest that rather than an actual democracy, we currently have something much closer to a pseudo-scientific administrative state).
Obama program has scientists saying “WTF?”
Indeed. Talk about your nebulous goals. Man’s reach should exceed his grasp, but that is one mighty reach for which we do not have the tools.
Barry should stick to his knitting or putting and stay out of matters scientific.
Understand the brain, control the brain. Makes perfect sense to me why he’d be interested.
The problem with Obama’s BRTAIN project is that his sole exposure to brain science is Joe Biden.
Unfortunately, many scientists have become conditioned to associate big funding with scientific progress, as if every secret in the universe is discoverable if only the money were available.
The rest of the scientists care less about making progress than about having the funding to pursue whatever silly pet project (e.g., incidence of homosexual-looking behavior among seagulls or some such tommyrot) they choose to waste their lives on.
Makes perfect sense to me why he’d be interested.
Sure. It’s just that we are—barring some quantum leap of technology—not capable of mounting such a project. We have enough trouble with Artificial Intelligence (witness Ocare), robots and CGI mapping. If he thinks mapping the brain itself is going to unlock the soul and what it is to be human (admittedly not his goal); that’s not going to happen.
Brain isn’t a computer or an engine and understanding neurons and neural pathways isn’t going to “unlock” magic cures. Anyone who has more than one child can tell you that despite having the same parents, the same environment and roughly the same early life experiences, they are not the same person and, in the case of my kids anyway, can have diametrically opposed talents and interests.
It’s once again, back to the Nature vs. Nurture thing and this isn’t going to “solve” it. Nor is that the business of government.
I think it’s likely that “useful” information and technology will be discovered along the way, even if the “way” is never realized. Like tech spinoff in the space program (though we got pretty far along the way before losing interest). Perhaps more fittingly, the LSD research done by the CIA.
I think so too, Red. We can never underestimate the Serendipity Effect.
It’s the tendency of a lot of neuro-biologists to look at humans as projects, not human beings, that bothers me.
I think we’re going to see steve shortly. Hadn’t kept up with things and tried to call me out on a different thread.
I don’t know if I can handle much more stupidity, Red. I’m still steaming about the US selling Israel down the river.
Brain isn’t a computer or an engine and understanding neurons and neural pathways isn’t going to “unlock” magic cures.
“If our brain was so simple we could understand it, we would be too simple to understand it.”
Think of it as a diversion. We can verbally spar with him while we keep a wary eye on the Middle East horizon. I’m really hoping we don’t see a new sun(s) rising in the middle of the day.
Billions spent on gay seagulls is the price you pay for the roads you need for fire/rescue to come and put the blaze* out
*The blaze started by the militarized constabulary that you also paid for because the tear gas grenades they shot through your windows rolled into you curtains. All because you ended up on a terror watch list because you started ranting online about how, if they were going to waste tax payer money on gay seagulls, the least they could do would be to figure out a way to turn ’em straight.
“On the bright side, though, the mob never rules for long. ”
Typically they wreck the infrastructure and industry, kill a lot of people, out up a lot of statues, go broke, live on handouts from bigger mob movements not yet broke or well meaning enemies, and then get swept out of power by organized crime dressed up as “the people”. So far only China and NK have avoided that last part. So far.
Just riffing in response to you “pseudo-scientific adminstrative state” remark You don’t suppose we have the opposite of Polybius’s ideal mixed constitution*, do you?
*i.e. an admixture of tyranny, oligarchy, and mob rule
They’ve been known to goose-step up and down the square by the light of the burninig books as well.
“So far only China and NK have avoided that last part.”
They did?
. . . we have the opposite of Polybius’s ideal mixed constitution* . . . *i.e. an admixture of tyranny, oligarchy, and mob rule
Heh, I like that construction Ernst . . . evenso, tyranny seems to cover the ground pretty well all on its lonesome, since it isn’t beyond our grasp that majorities in addition to a ruler “uno solo” can tyrannize — the unifying principle being simply the origin of the motive and aims (i.e., the erotic part, to swing round in a call-back to another comment elsewheres).
Cool man.
I’m 43, own a business that does market research – mainly for Fortune 500 tech companies.
I ski, and I’m a dog guy – so that alone makes us mortal enemies on two axis :)
I’ve traveled enough to know that America is an incredible country. Like you, I want it to remain competitive and outpace the world. I think we disagree about the best way to achieve that.
I’m more than happy to discuss why I believe what I believe. Ask away.
They already do – they’re just of the opinion that what’s “due” is less than zero.
Also cool. I appreciate the disclosure; sometimes the dehumanizing aspects of the internet is not good for intellectual exchange.
I’m landing in a state much closer to you (hint, dicentra) as we speak/type. I’ll be mostly off the internet for a week, and will get back to you on Wednesday.
We can continue then. :)
Thunderdome!
Safe travels sir.
Sorry, Jeff. No Denver on this trip.
If you get to call me sir, I get to call you young whippersnapper!
Thx.
They already do – they’re just of the opinion that what’s “due” is less than zero. –
First impressions count for a lot. You act like an ass, you get treated like an ass.
You do market research, but you don’t know what a market is?