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And thank god for that.
And, for those people who claim that day was when America went into the crapper, I would argue that process started the day Kennedy was elected.
1960 was the triumph of style over substance, not to be eclipsed for 48 years…
Today, JFK would be castigated as a neocon, and the hellomynameis crowd would celebrate his execution, and worship his assassin for having the courage they lacked, and doing what needed to be done.
Kennedy stole that election by the barest of margins, thanks to the dead voting in droves in Chicago. Nixon was a class act and didn’t force a recount—unlike Algore.
Kennedy’s legacy? The boy president got schooled by Khrushchev in Vienna. Bay of Pigs? A venture into Vietnam and the eventual deaths of 58,000 Americans.
Wotta guy.
Oh: The transcript of the above speech.
Squid, you beat me to it. Anticommunist, interventionist, tax cutter, Diem assassin. He’d be impeached today.
Actually, Kennedy was an idea created by the people who voted for him. He was an image without substance upon whom everyone placed his/her individual hopes and dreams. His death was the best thing to happen to him, because his legacy would be far different if he’d served a second term, similar to the first.
Yeah, leigh, but at least in those days, elections were stolen by men who believed in America; men who, for all their personal failings, still understood that we needed healthy businesses to power our Republic, and strong military capabilities to defend it.
Today, our elections are stolen by Marxists who work tireless to destroy everything that their forebears fought to protect and preserve.
PROGRESS!
There are going to be a huge number of news programs which will focus on this 50th anniversary. In a year and a half, on 4/15/2015 there will be a 150th anniversary which we now commemorate as “Tax Day.”
Khrushchev was right when he said “We will bury you!”
I think I’m gonna make a 50th assassination anniversary commemorative apple pie. With dried cherries. And ginger.
In thirty years, Nov 22, 1963, will be a trivia question
unless a Democrat is President, in which case flags will be flown at half-mast.
Khrushchev was wrong – the Soviet Empire never buried us.
However, Neil Postman, Allan Bloom, and Mike Judge were right when they pointed out that we would bury ourselves…
Lefties have tossed God out, but have to worship somebody. Oswald took a below-average but photogenic president, and gave them a “martyr” to idolize.
I’d say today is a good day to annoy lefties by asking “What is it you admire most about JFK: his advocacy of tax cuts to spur economic growth, his anti-Communist views, or his womanizing?”
Abe Lincoln beat them all to the punch.
I guess Zombie Soviet Union could reach up from its grave and still drag us down to be buried with them.
Today is the 50th anniversary of the death of C.S. Lewis who was, I submit, a much greater and more influential man than the womanizing, doper JFK could ever have hoped to be.
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Oh, I forgot Spiro Agnew:
Zombie Soviet Union is over here now, was my point. They merely shifted land masses.
Although, I have to admit, most of the Russian nationals I know, in fact all of them, are terrific capitalists and no nonsense businessmen. They tend to have a very flexible view of authority.
Do I remember where I was? Hell, this was the 60’s. The whole decade is but a fuzzy image.
Nipples. I do remember nipples. Lots of them.
Mosquitoes. I remember mosquitoes and little yellow people wearing pajamas shooting at me but I don’t remember why.
Some people lose their keys, some lose decades. Oh well……
I’m reminded of an unkind comment about an entertainer who died young –
“Hell, for him, death was a good career move.”
I denounce myself…
I don’t remember where I was because I was 3 weeks old.
I might have been in Utah, might have been in Providence, RI. Not really clear on that.
I was four years old and pissed off that my afternoon cartoons were interrupted because the president got himself shot.
I was ten, born in Dallas and lived in the DC suburbs. It mattered, at least insofar as I learned what unjustified prejudice meant at an early age.
Me, I’m digging this guy that Glenn Beck is guardedly featuring, with his “LBJ was a psychopath who ordered the hit and is responsible for multiple other murders, and Jack Ruby was one of LBJ’s bagmen.”
Dunno if it’s true, but Ruby’s killing Oswald throws a monkey wrench into the idea that Oswald was a lone crank.
Oswald was a lone crank.
Today is the 50th anniversary of the death of C.S. Lewis
Amusingly enough, today is also the 50th anniversary of the death of Aldous Huxley.
You’d think the news could carve out some time for those two, rather than a day of hagiography about Kennedy.
This is the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who. It was the first program broadcast in England after constant JFK coverage. For Whovians (I submit Who-ters), BBC America will fill all your Doctor Who needs for at least the next 48 hours.
As to this JFK thing? I think all the Kennedys are past their Sell-by date.
Huxley and Lewis were by far the greater losses, at least intelectually. Why do the liberal media hate intellectuals?
– Kennedy did a bang-up job of nearly starting WWIII, and when I say nearly it was at one point an hour to hour thing. What people forget, or in the case of the brainless Left avoid knowing, is that JFK thought it would be a great idea to put missles into Turkey targetted directly at Moscow six months before the Cuban missle crisus. Moving missle into Cuba was Khrushchevs response, but for some reason that whole process never got reported on at the time, and even for quite awhile after. Imagine that.
– Those of us in Industry at the time had radios, and even a few very early examples of portable TV’s playing all day at work in the bosses office, literally held our collective breaths for the entire 2+ weeks, but especially near the end when it was extremely difficult to fall asleep at night, and hugging the news casts for any indication of a breakthrough in the talks.
– In the end the Politoboro told Khrushchev to STFDASU, so cooler heads prevailed. Kennedy was a 24 carat smuck who almost ended the whole of civilization. One plus that came out of it was the concept of MAD, and how we brought Russia down through its deployment in 75′. But thas another story.
– As far as Oswald, I did an extensive research on the whole mess, including forensic photos, 300+ 35 mm to be exact, of the entire crime scene. As an ex-military man I can tell you that Dealey is a lot smaller than you get the sense of in pictures and video’s. The snipers nest put Oswald in almost the perfect position for the kill. It was an easy shot.
– So Occams razor. But that said, there are a slew of crazy unanswered questions about the whole deal. It seemed like many of the major players had reasons to stonewall and tamper with evidence, as well as do strange things in connection with the case.
– Some 500+ books and countless articals later its almost like there were multiple conspiracies for multiple reasons, but most were after the fact, and many seemed to have been politically driven, rather than any conspiracy to nail JFK directly.
– When people try to take advantage for other wholly unrelated reasons, thus are conspiracy theories born.
It was getting to be a trivia question back when I was in my last two years of high school and Reagan was president.
– BTW, Nixon was in Dallas that morning on a GOP related business trip, but had departed by the time of the motorcade.
The snipers nest put Oswald in almost the perfect position for the kill.
Except for two minor things: Oswald wasn’t on the sixth floor (he was spotted less than 90 seconds after the shooting by the manager of the SBD and a motorcycle cop, Marion Baker, in the second floor breakroom*), and the rifle they found had a misaligned scope. There is also the fact that there was a large leafy tree between the sniper’s nest and the Kennedy’s car for the latter part of that street. That tree would have been in full bloom in late November.
* – the only means he could have used to get from the 6th floor to the 2nd was either a very slow freight elevator or the stairwell, which had several people on the landings watching the motorcade go past through the windows, and no one reported seeing Oswald, or any running man going down the stairs, after the shooting.
I’m not saying he wasn’t involved, but I do not believe he pulled the trigger.
– What I’m saying DW, and these sorts pof disputes just help fan the conspiracy fires, is that who ever used the snipers nest, if it was used at all, would have had an easy down slope going away shot. The tree leaves did not block the view for any part of the motorcade up to the fatal shoot. I have glossies if you want to see them.
– However that doesn’t mean a lot when you look at all the other evidence. The magic bullet, for instance, is insanely stupid.
– And so it goes. Actually there are much more puzzling items than those. For instance wtf happened to JFK’s brain. It was missing by the time the body got to Bethesda.
That tree would have been in full bloom in late November.
What the hell kind of tree blooms in late November?
If Oswald was a lone crank, WTF is up with Jack Ruby? He says it was because of his love of the Kennedys that he didn’t want to put Jackie through a trial.
His great love motivated him to miss the actual parade, BTW.
Whoever put Oswald up to it also hired Ruby to silence him. Oswald could be trusted to make the shot but not to keep his trap shut.
– We don’t want to believe some dumb assed Leftie Commie wannabee loser could take down even a prick like Kennedy, since he was, for better or worse the president. We just hate to accept that our leaders are so easily done in.
– Make of that what you will.
I was almost two. I assume I was trying to figure out which to do first, swallow a bottle of aspirin , stick a knife in an electrical outlet, pedal my tricycle a mile from home, or fall into a swimming pool. At least that is all I remember my mother going on about when recalling me at that age.
it’s Texas, di, things get crazy there…
Oh, I think Oswald could have acted alone, yes I do.
Until I get to Jack Ruby. That was an effing hit, not a spontaneous show of anger.
That’s why I like LBJ for it: no complicated conspiracy beyond one very powerful man paying two people to shoot someone, and then having the power to cover things up.
Occam’s razor says Ruby was as big a loser as Oswald and just wanted to make himself important. Of course he was not going to state it that way when asked why.
– I go back and forth. As I said I think there was a lot of bs going on for political reasons that were only indirectly connected to Kennedy if at all.
– The problem I have with LBJ, or any high level limited crowd type hit is knowing just how hard it is to keep any secrets in DC. Something as hot and topical as that, something that could earn the whistleblower a mega payday, I just have a hard time seeing it work.
– Ruby could have easily believed he would be a hero in the eyes of the public, and the mob as well, which was an even stronger motivation for him to act. “The guy who got the murderer of JFK”. He was aware of the mobs involvement with Robert Kennedy and the battle that had developed between the Atty. Gen. and the syndicate after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
– He had a history of trying to make himself important in mob business and was a borderline nut case in other ways. So I can see that happening with him.
– Of all the ideas the mob connection has the best chance of surviving without exposure this long. Mob secrets do get kept. Ask Jiimy Hoffa.
I was almost four. My mom heard it on the radio and turned on our BW tv (10 inch diagonal screen.) That’s the first time I saw Walter Cronkite.
“Today is the 50th anniversary of the death of C.S. Lewis Amusingly enough, today is also the 50th anniversary of the death of Aldous Huxley. – ”
We need to work H. G. Wells into that somehow…
And to add fuel to the conspiracy fire, I give you Billie Sol Estes!
– “Nationwide is on your palaeomerus”…..We’ll make that work.
– Yeah, the heat in the kitchen is getting to be a bit much, even for souless zombies.
– A charter member of the vast right wing cponspiracy. sure thing Progressives, sure thing…..
Oswald said:
I want that attorney in New York, Mr. Abt. I don’t know him personally but I know about a case that he handled some years ago, where he represented the people who had violated the Smith Act, [which made it illegal to teach or advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. government]… I don’t know him personally, but that is the attorney I want. …If I can’t get him, then I may get the American Civil Liberties Union to send me an attorney.
The man whom Oswald requested, John Abt, was a member of the Progressive Party and spent most of his career as the chief legal counsel of the Communist Party.
– In fact, in truth its almost always a nut job Leftie. Radical, activists, and all that.
In thirty years, Nov 22, 1963, will be a trivia question.
It should have been 25 years ago. It wasn’t then, and it isn’t now. And that won’t change as long as the libs run the media and entertainment. If I’m lucky enough to be alive in 2038, it’ll be a big deal then too.
– I think Oswald was gearing up for the show trial of the Century, his big chance to be famous. His comments about being a patsy are at the very least troubling, because you would expect him to go for the glory, but he wasn’t particularly smart, so his behavior would be hard to anticipate.
Our old pal TimB gave PW a shout-out in the comments to the nuclear option post over at Volokh.com. He still seems butthurt to this day.
Ruby was also in trouble with the IRS, iirc, and had cancer. It was his last chance to be important.
Owning strip clubs, pimping and running numbers doesn’t get you in the history books.
killed by another lone crank
Exactly, Ernst.
Who the hell would trust Oswald with anything?
Oh wait, I know! The guy who hired Hinkley to murder Jodie Foster! That’s the kind of guy who’d hire Oswald.
he teased
and the House investigation in ’79 that ruled that it was a conspiracy (but that the conspirators “might never be known”)? Just another bunch of lone cranks, too, I suppose.
The accidental audio recording that recorded between 4 and 7 shots (according to audio experts that analyzed sound echoing in Dealey Plaza) must be just another lone nut, even if it is just an audio recording…
Drum – between 4 and 7 shots, between buildings, may have been Echos?
And you’re not really putting faith into a Congressional investigation, are you?
– A Congressional investigation that had a dead presidents rep to protect, in the middle of the cold war, with everyone jockying for position and CYA cover from the CIA to Congress. It couldn’t have been more political, eactly similar to what we have today for that time.
No, but the facts that had been brought out by independent investigators, and which forced the House to create the new investigation, are things I DO trust.
Drum – between 4 and 7 shots, between buildings, may have been Echos?
They had a lot of sound spikes, and the first thing they did was map exactly where the motorcycle with the open mike was at each moment, then figure out how the sound pattern would have echoed. Temp and barometric pressure were also a factor, as that would affect the speed of sound. A single moving microphone made it more difficult, but not impossible.
They postulated multiple shooting locations, single shooters located in other locations that the SBD 6th floor, and a lot of other factors. And Dealey Plaza was arranged with buildings surrounding the east side, but more opened out to the west, over the railroad yard and freeway. They built scale models and came up with their results.
They actually eliminated one shot as a “probable backfire” since it didn’t match the wave patterns of the others.
I thought the “extra” shots were from police radios repeating. At least that is what they* want me to believe.
*C.S.M. Spender et al.
you guys is fast
No one wanted to air anymore dirty laundry about the deceased. I mean, the POTUS was screwing the same girl who was screwing Sam Giancona (sp?) the Chicago mob boss. Plus he was screwing anything that he could grab onto. And there was Bobby Kennedy (another putz) in the middle of an investigation about the Mafia and the Unions.
Almost twenty years later, no one was going to remember jack shit of any significance. Memory is constructed and reconstructed over time. It isn’t a true reflection of what actually happened, other than the way you reacted to what is in the memory. It’s part of the reason that eye witnesses are almost always completely unreliable and hearsay is inadmissible.
hi grassy knoll
James Pierson’s 2006 Commentary article is the thing to read.
Or, now that it’s back in print, there’s the book he turned it into.
As for the 50th anniversary thing, I liked Michael Knox Beran’s take .
It is quite simple… even if you postulate that Oswald is the greatest marksman since Hickok, there is no possible way he could have fired more than three shots from that rifle in the time he had. There were more than three shots fired.
One hit Kennedy in the back of the neck, causing the grabbing at his throat you can see on the Zapruder film. Governor Connelly was clearly unhurt at this point.
The second shot injured a pedestrian almost 200 yards in front of the motorcade (Teague, IIRC). He was hit by a piece of flying cement from where a bullet hit the sidewalk.
Connelly was shot at some point, appx 1.9 seconds after Kennedy was first hit, with five injuries, and multiple broken bones (ribs and wrist). (This is where the “magic bullet” theory came into existence. It had to be magic, since they recovered more metal from that bullet than was missing from the bottom of the round discovered on an unattended stretcher.)
The fatal shot hit Kennedy in the head, driving him back and to the left (which as all hunters know, means the bullet came from behind him and to the right).
That means at least four shots, which means a second shooter, and that means a conspiracy. The shooters did not need to be made aware of any other shooters, merely where and when to carry out their task.
You guys are all just anti-papists.
Frontline recently repeated a 2 hour show on Lee Harvey Oswald they had done 30 years ago when most of those involved were still around. If even Frontline posits that Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist lone nut who thought he would be a big man by killing another big man, the conspiracy game is pretty much over. Very interesting and worth watching online if you haven’t seen it by the way. Love the clips of the news reporters and police investigating when damn near everyone has a cigarette hanging from their lips. I had never realized there was so much extant video and audio of Oswald and just how much it all leads to confirming his lone nut status. I had never really doubted it before, but good God, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming.
sorry, “recovered more metal from Governor Connelly than was missing from the bullet’s base”
What’s pushing Kennedy back is Sir Isaac Newton. You’re being fooled in part by the optical illusion of Kennedy’s brain and skull exiting forward and to the right, towards Zapruder’s lens.
Absolutely, charles. I’ve read the Warren Commission Report and plenty of other investigative papers and the idea that it’s just impossible that Oswald could have done this alone just discounts dumb luck and decent marksmanship.
Now, we’re talking half a century ago. The people who were there are either dead or old now. Persons in the position of being in the know (like BBH) aren’t persuaded that Oswald did NOT act alone. The only people insisting on a conspiracy have books to sell or self-preservation in mind, like Marina Oswald who doesn’t want to think of her late husband as an assassin.
And Conelly was hit by the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s throat.
And all the momentum (F=½mv²) just went away in that optical illusion? No sign of his head being pushed forward by that shot (from the by this time distant rear) at all, because illusion?
That bullet must have hit with the force of a fairly hard punch, on a very small point, and there is no sign of the forward push at all.
The only people insisting on a conspiracy have books to sell or self-preservation in mind
Just out of curiosity, which one of those am I?
Yes, Ernst. I want to know from y’all, since I can’t stand to watch the news anymore today, when exactly did the legend of Jackie “cradling Jack’s head in her lap” get started? I’ve seen her crawling across the trunk of the Cadillac to the Secret Service who are trying to grab her.
Was it in the ambulance? EMT didn’t make her get out of the way or are they bullshitting us about time of death?
no one gives a rat’s ass about my assassination – William McKinley
tell me about it – James A. Garfield
I’m betting “book”, Drum ; )
Oswald could NOT have fired four shots. That rifle, being a manual bolt-action, could not physically perform that feat in the time allowed.
There were more than three shots fired.
QED.
I’ve seen the demonstrations by experts that they could fire three shots from the Manlicher-Carcanno in the time permitted. I’ll accept that.
But there were more than three shots fired, and NO ONE could pull that off. The rifle cannot do it, even if the trigger finger could.
There had to have been a second shooter, and that equals conspiracy.
I’m betting “book”, Drum ; )
Not that I’m admitting to anything, but do you know any publishers? :P
I was going to make a lame joke about a secret service agent accidentally shooting JFK but, decided to look it up first and of course that one has already been suggested.
Nothing new under the sun.
There were three shots and an audio anomoly.
1. Hit Kennedy in the throat.
2. Hit a bystander down the street.
3. Hit Governor Connelly (you cannot seriously suggest that the magic bullet could be real).
4. Killed Kennedy.
The magic bullet was dreamed up specifically because they were trying to shoehorn three shots into ten wounds on three different people.
1. hit the pavement
2. hit Kennedy in the throat, then hit Connelly
3. killed kennedy
4. the real magic bullet. The one that left no trace whatsoever.
Full metal jacket and deflection off of bone is a bitch. Conelly was just luckier than Kennedy,
Too many unanswered questions, too…
Including (but not limited to)
1. Why did the Secret Service replace the windshield not once but twice?
2. Why did they replace the freeway onramp sign?
3. Who was the Secret Service agent (according to his credential, at any rate) who was on the grassy knoll? (Secret Service say that everyone they had was with the motorcade, not on the ground.)
4. Why was the body already at Bethesda when the “official” motorcade arrived from Andrews, carrying the fancy casket and Mrs. Kennedy (the one the world was following on live TV)? (The X-ray tech who had just taken the exposures at Kennedy’s autopsy was crossing the lobby with the exposed X-ray plates of Kennedy, the man the world was watching “arrive” at the hospital, in his hands, when he saw the vehicles arrive.)
Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?
who cuts the grassy knoll’s grass?
2. hit Kennedy in the throat, then hit Connelly
Exited the throat (where there aren’t any bones, except for the hyoid, which is extremely fragile), then turned in mid-air, hooked back over Kennedy’s shoulder, loitered around for almost two seconds, then nailed Connelly in the back, broke some ribs, exited just below the nipple, passed through his left wrist, breaking that in the process, then ends up in his left thigh. At which point the bullet started regrowing itself, since they took more metal out of Connelly along the wound tracks than was missing from the bullet they recovered from a stretcher Connelly had never been near.
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.
Full metal jacket and deflection off of bone is a bitch.
No doubt, but which of Kennedy’s bones did it ricochet from?
Conelly was just luckier than Kennedy
Without question, but he wasn’t shot at the same time as Kennedy. (See also “Laws of Physics”)
He’s still dead, Drum. It doesn’t matter. Honest.
There were three shots. Period.
Now a lesson on simple physics. The bullet entering the back of Kennedy’s head does not impart all it’s momentum to the back of his head to push it foward. In fact, quite the opposite. It is not an inelastic collision like one billiard ball hitting another but instead the bullet slips through the skull and its contents rather easily. When the bullet exits at the front it still retains quite a bit of its original momentum (as it then passes into and out of Connelly’s torso and wrist finally imbedding slightly in his leg) but the damage and injuries caused by the shockwave of the bullet result in a significant amount of material being ejected from the front of his skull do a result in a change of both the mass and the momentum of Kennedy’s head causing it to lurch backward. Here’s a quick tape wrapped melon demonstration of the effect by Penn & Teller.
Full metal jacket and deflection off of bone is a bitch.
One other thing… medical experts, not to mention men who have survived being shot in a way that also breaks bones, all report that such an injury would cause an “instantaneous” response. To wit, people don’t get hit like that and ignore it while looking around for the source of the sharp noise they just heard.
Except of course, for the middle-aged Governor of Texas, that is. He suffered multiple broken ribs, a shattered wrist and a punctured lung and never noticed it for the count of ‘one mississippi two mississippi’. He must be one of Billy Ray Valentine’s ninja fighters what bruise on the inside.
The Tague/concrete incident seems like the outlier to me if I was trying to piece this together and didn’t want to go beyond Oswald.
result in a significant amount of material being ejected from the front of his skull
Which somehow ended up on the trunk of the car, so that Jacqui could be seen reaching for it, as the Secret Service try to get her back in her seat.
Because “magic”, yeah, I get it. The two second delay in mid air and all.
The Tague/concrete incident seems like the outlier to me
If it weren’t for him, they could have their three-shot scenario all wrapped up, but he was hurt, and did manage to recover the chunk of concrete that hit him, and the piece of sidewalk was cut out and hauled off.
Thus, Arlen Specter came up with “magic bullets”.
Like Penn Gillette says, “second gunman my achin’ ass.”
If a John Bircher had fired those shots there wouldn’t have been any conspiracy theories, just a nod of acceptance about the control and sit on the paranoid Right. It’s only that someone to the left of Kennedy killed him that has caused the Left to be uncomfortable and throw up all kinds of crap that cause William of Ochham’s body to spin so fast in its grave that his razor could be used to carve zombies into 1/64′ inch slices without difficulty. If you look at anything hard enough there are going to be elements that defy explanation. It doesn’t mean anything other than that omniscience is not possible.
Conspiracies are great fun because they can’t be proven conclusively, but they also can’t be dismissed. Without any real proof, it’s all just speculation and as useful as “Col. Mustard did it in the conservatory with the lead pipe”.
In the words of the Hildebeast, “What difference does it make”.
If you look at anything hard enough there are going to be elements that defy explanation
Explanation? Logic? I can buy missing wither of them, because reality doesn’t have to make sense.
But violating the laws of physics just puts it right out. There are points which can be clearly seen in the Zapruder tape where Kennedy is hurt, but not Connelly. Then Connelly is seen to be hit, with a clear reaction. Then Kennedy is shot for the second time.
So who fired the shot that chipped the concrete near Tague? Random black holes from space?
Give me ANY explanation that actually agrees with the laws of Motion, and I will buy it. But “magic bullet” doesn’t and isn’t.
Those guys in the House investigation in the 1979 were quite clear that Oswald acted alone in the shooting but some of them felt the mafia was involved somehow, though how is absolutely unknown and nothing but conjecture, especially as it related to Ruby killing Oswald to ostensibly keep him quiet. Did Marcello and perhaps Genovese and others wish Kennedy’s dead, yeah, absolutely. Did they actually do anything to make that happen? Probably not IMHO, but even if they did, what changes? In the immortal words of our next inevitable president, “At this point, what does it matter?”
Finally, you are absolutely wrong about the Zapruder film and Connelly and the magic bullet. I have nothing else to say about this.
Yeah, I thought not. I heard your mommy calling you, too… see you tomorrow, only this time I get to be the one completely full of shit, okay? Oh, you’d rather keep it? Fair enough, you do own it, after all.
So who fired the shot that chipped the concrete near Tague? Random black holes from space?
It was already chipped?
and so the piece of cement that hit Tague in the cheek was thrown by a passing balloonist, maybe? Hitting with enough force to draw blood, after all…
I am sorry, I have not read anything as in depth as you have so I could be wrong. I just thought it was not conclusive that Tague was hit by a chip of concrete.
Was it imbedded in his cheek or something or have his blood on it? I was thinking in a crowd of people rushing about after gun fire he could have been nicked by anything. False memory on when it happened and such.
Apologies in advance for not knowing the details of the report. What I read may have been superficial.
so tague is a grassy knoller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tague#The_assassination
Thanks, the wiki article fits with my recall and it does not sound very conclusive.
Conclusive enough that the Commission had to come up with the bullet that defies the laws of physics to keep it down to “lone nut”. If the Zapruder film hadn’t come out, showing the timing problems, they might have gotten away with it.
cyril wecht and arlen specter say hi
That’s okay bg, drumwaster hasn’t done any deep* reading either.
*for certain values of deep, at any rate.
My ass. She was trying to get out of the line of fire in a state of panic. (And I don’t blame her one bit for doing so.)
JFK Assassination Oswald CBS Mannlicher Carcano Rifle Test 1967
ABC Nightly News just played the relevant bit of the Zapruder film. Connelly is reacting to being shot at the same time as Kennedy is, so point to Charles.
is the grass is always greener on the grassy knoll?
just like everyone knows fire can’t melt steel
right newrouter?
– DW – didn’t they just decide the motorcycle was not where they thought it was when the shots were recorded?
– The other thing about the number of shots and the bullets. The bullet “391 iirc, the so called magic bullet, was found when it rolled off the guerney onto the floor while it was in the hall along one of the walls. The problem is they never could decide if that guerney was Connelly’s or Kennedy’s, or even either of them in fact, so that bullet cannot be trail of evidence placed with any accuracy, which makes it almost impossible to suss out the details of the shots fired and the wounds.
– In addition to the theres the wounds themselves which were not described accurately. Whats-his-face even burned his damn autopsy notes.
– So the problem you end up with is as follows:
* The evidence taken as a whole essentially proves the Warren Commission couldn’t find their asses with both hands and a road map.
* The evidence is so incomplete, mishandled, misstated ect, that you can make any case you want from it.
* There was many and massive fuck-ups in the handling of the evidence and the whole ball of wax, some of it intentional for political reasons, but a lot just out of sheer incompetence.
– Bottom line. We’ll probably never know the real complete story, and if we did it would probably turn out to be boring.
Bullets don’t hang around in mid-air. And they don’t take two seconds to move less than three feet, except in the Matrix.
Hey, maybe THAT’S the explanation! It makes as much sense as believing that a bullet would defy the laws of our reality but only in that one park in Texas, and only on that day.
well rosie thinks so so there’s that.
there’s a guy on you tube who thinks the limo driver did it.
so that bullet cannot be trail of evidence placed with any accuracy, which makes it almost impossible to suss out the details of the shots fired and the wounds
But it’s the official exhibit of the Warren Commission, and the only evidence offered by the proponents of the magic bullet (the one that had neither blood nor tissue anywhere on it, and which had lost more metal than was taken from Connelly. If nobody knows where it came from, then I guess the whole theory falls apart.
In addition to the theres the wounds themselves which were not described accurately. Whats-his-face even burned his damn autopsy notes.
Because everyone destroys documents involving the investigation of the killing of the President of the United States, don’t they? It’s not like anyone might ever want to see them to determine contemporaneous thought processes or see if maybe something was deliberately omitted, right? History? Never heard of him…
there’s a guy on you tube who thinks the limo driver did it
Yeah, I ran into a guy at a panel discussion once who was insisting the same thing… something about puffer fish ammunition, too.
No they don’t. But then, people don’t sit in cars like department store manikins either.
Garrettson was a kook too.
And Oliver Stone a carnival barker.
then there’s the guy on you tube who finds picture of jackie crawling on the trunk puzzling
Those internet timewaster games got nuttin on the Kennedy assassination.
– I guess what I’m saying DW its even worse than you’re laying out if you look at all the mess-ups and unanswered questions.
– I’ll give you just one. The exit wound in Kenneds throat was nowhere large enough to have a full sized bullet pass through it, the one they say wounded Connelly next. Its just too damn small. Either that bullet lost a lot of weight in Kennedy before it exited to hot Connelly, or you have yet another impossibility on your hands. If it lost a lot of weight then lost more in Connelly then its definately not possible for it to be #391.
– So where did it come from?
– It just goes on and on and on. It gets so fucked up when you go through it painstakenly that at one point I even wondered if Oswald had 1) Another shooter next to him, or 2) he loaded an extra bullet tip in his rifle in front of the normal cartridge.
– Thats how screwed up a picture you get when you try to reconstruct the whole mess. In fact you could easily make a case for 5 or six shoots.
– My final conclusion is: We’ll simply never know unless someone confesses knowlege/facts we don’t as yet know about, but can be confirmed.
This post is just bait, right? You’re disingenuously feigning ambivalence about the murder of JFK, right?
– Well Steve-shit, why don’t you do your great Karnak immitation and devine what we’re thinking. Putz.
> You’re disingenuously feigning ambivalence about the murder of JFK, right?<
slapphead go away troll
slapphead do you dance on the grassy knoll?
“You’re disingenuously feigning ambivalence about the murder of JFK, right?”
You disingenuously feign ambivalence about the murder of 100 million victims of leftism (one of whom was JFK, by the way) all the time.
” This post is just bait, right? You’re disingenuously feigning ambivalence about the murder of JFK, right? ”
I’m not crying about something that happened 8 years before I was born 50 years after it happened.
I kind of have other shit to worry about. And the same goes for Abe Lincoln, John Lennon, and Julius Caesar though not necessarily in that order.
I kinda look at the fascist as bait. Or otherwise, what’s his purpose?
None that I’ve been able to determine, sdferr.
I’m not the one fantasizing about murdering my fellow Americans. I know you want to believe that a NY Democrat is just like Stalin, seriously, WTF?
– Everyone over the age of ten at the time, and since, knows your womanizing pres. got taken out by a Commie Steve-dolt. Deal with it.
– Oh wait, you can’t deal with it because the T Party and Bush weren’t around yet. Dufus.
On another note, in early November of 63, Kennedy faced a choice; attend the 100th anniversary of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address or travel to Dallas on a democrat party fence mending trip…
I’m not the one fantasizing about murdering my fellow Americans.
You’re pro-choice aren’t you? 54,559,615 never to be citizens murdered by their mamas.
> I know you want to believe that a NY Democrat is just like Stalin<
hi my name is de blasio
John Williams done good with this one.
Past assassinations (before 1963) have been carried out by losers wanting to make themselves famous. Even the one that did actually involve a conspiracy was a conspiracy of losers butthurt over the outcome of the war just ended a few days earlier.
And the last guy to put a bullet into a president? A loser.
The stumbling block for me about the conspiracy talk re 1963 is that I can’t see a benefit to TPTB to cover one up that they weren’t in on, and I can’t see a benefit to TPTB to sanction one that they would then have to cover up.
Kennedy? Really? Why? He was probably going back to Hyannisport in ignominious defeat if they just put up with him for another year. These cui have no bono.
I know. It’s like totally his own fault. Victim. Blame. Got it.
Oh, you’re one of those.
They seemed to miss the best way to cover up this whole thing, arrest Zapruder.
>I know. It’s like totally his own fault. Victim. Blame. Got it.<
you believe an entire city is the culprit slapphead.
Speaking of losers…
“I’m not the one fantasizing about murdering my fellow Americans.”
Link to anyone here “fantasizing about murdering their fellow Americans”?
Liebot.
Zero’s buddy Bill Ayers definitely wanted to murder 25 million Americans. It’s the way of the left.
>I know. It’s like totally his own fault<
slapphead why was jfk in dallas on 11/22/63? golf outing?
Or at least confiscate his film and destroy it along with the autopsy notes. And plant a few more magic bullets. To throw everybody off.
Seriously, the way to cover up a conspiracy isn’t silence, it’s noise. A lot of people still think Area 51 is where the UFOs get taken apart and reverse-engineered.
Do I have to think of everything?
Oh, you’re one of those.
– People that don’t believe you should be able to murder a helpless baby just because your Lefty bitches wouldn’t dream of marrying your sad asses, just boffing you in a one nighter, and who needs that responsibility shit.
– Yeah, thats us. Its too bad your parents didn’t do the same Steve-putz.
Is Bill Ayers really the best boogieman you can find? Because I don’t think he’s being consulted on a lot of policy.
Here: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52009#comment-1035935
Now go fuck yourself. Thoroughly.
– Of course it wasn’t area 51 McGehee. They just want you to think that so you won’t notice that hanger behind the Anaheim WalMarts two blocks north of the Materhorn ride..
I believe he means Catholics, BBH.
Papists like us and the whole life is a seamless garment thing.
Every sperm is sacred. Baby Jeebus said so.
Now go fuck yourself. Thoroughly.
– Oh my, getting a bit testy are we Steve-putz. Well rub a little dirt on it and you’ll be ok.
>Every sperm is sacred. Baby Jeebus said so.<
nah every zygote has potential
slapphead why do you like to kill stuff?
There’s a difference between sperm and fertilized eggs. Did you sleep through biology classes?
slapphead are you in a “vibrant and diverse” community?
every zygote has potential
Exactly. All life is precious. Even Granny’s when you want to turn off her oxygen and let her starve in her urine-soaked sheets.
“Sunday, coming to a heaven near you – Judgement day bowl XXXXLLML“…. reserve your tickets for best seating now.
– Yeah. I want to see that as all the Steves on this forsaken rock answer for their “good works”. Yesh. Want to see that.
who is doing that to granny?
Because I don’t think he’s being consulted on a lot of policy
No, he’s just the one who got the Marxist at #OccupyResoluteDesk started on his political career, worked with him on some committees, dedicated his book to him, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Are you always consulting your first-grade teacher on spelling and punctuation? Of course not, you have those lessons so thoroughly ingrained, it frees your mind to concentrate on the lies you have to keep straight.
Just like Bumbles.
I think steve is probably a lousy dad. Why is he hanging around here posting insults to a bunch of strangers when he could be taking the kiddos skating or to the movies. Hell, even to McDonald’s or helping with homework.
” Oh, you’re one of those.”
Babies? Meh. Fuck ’em. Just more chains to hold women down.
who is doing that to granny?
The Death Panel, nr.
– Steves confusion over sperm and eggs is telling. Looks like probably hes “one of those”. You look in his wallet he probably has an autographed picture of his right hand.
“who is doing that to granny?”
The UK currently.
You look in his wallet he probably has an autographed picture of his right hand.
Heh. That or he carries around a picture of an actress (the one that came with the wallet when he bought it) and tells everyone that’s “the little woman”.
“Is Bill Ayers really the best boogieman you can find?”
Every one of Obama’s buddies is a Marxist, liebot. And you Marxists actually have killed over a hundred million people. Not “fantasized” about it. Actually done it.
Here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
You’re not going to do it again, Slaphead. No matter what it takes.
>The Death Panel, nr.<
thought so just wasn't sure
They call it N.I.C.E. and the Liverpool Care Pathway.
I think we’ll probably just shout “Renew!” real loud.
I didn’t mean you, if that’s what it read like.
I think the UFOs get taken apart at “The Mystery Spot” in Santa Cruz. Except after processing they are no longer “unidentified” so, I guess they are IFOs.
I thought they had one hidden under the Winchester House in San Jose.
back up location for crashed UFOs during rush hour.
I’d like to have some of those unused materials at the Winchester House. There were tons of chandeliers and stained glass windows and gorgeous hand-carved doors in storage when I was there.
I didn’t see any ghosts, though. I think we were robbed on that count.
Badge Man at Grassy Knoll
do they sell tacos at the grassy knoll?
Who is Jeebus and why do you listen to babies, Slappy? Are you a fucking idiot?
Oh, wait. Forget I asked.
Slappy doesn’t listen to babies, he only wants them killed. Just like his Dreamboat Idol ™, Barcky, who don’t want his daughters “punished” with a baby.
Now, I’m all for cutting off his genetic code, too, root and branch, but it seems odd that he would think that way.
He’s all about the choice, as long as it’s abortion or some other permeation of death.
He’s just not into you or me making those hard decisions about how to spend our dollars ourselves.
So, not pro choices.
Yeah, I don’t think Bumblefuck is consulting Frank Marshall Davis anymore either. But he’ll always be “Uncle” Frank, the card-carrying Communist.
His whole family and all of his friends are commies. So’s Michelle.
http://www.acton.org/pub/commentary/2008/04/02/marxist-roots-black-liberation-theology
commies: making sand in the sahara rare.
I’m not the one fantasizing about how my fellow Americans might taste if properly smoked and cured.
Now that it’s dead obvious that no one is doing either of those things, you should reflect on your own silliness.
That’s the church where Barack soaked up his weekly lessons from the man who married him to Michelle, and gave him the title to one of Barry’s autobiographies.
Hey, that guy totally had him fooled, DW. Turns out Bumblefuck had no idea that he’s an America hating racist.
Sometimes I think that boy doesn’t pay attention.
Yeah, advisors like Paul Volcker, Larry Summers, Austan Goolsbee, Jason Furman, Robert Gates, Chuck Hagle, Ray LaHood.
And that’s without even looking hard.
Marxists. EVERY ONE! SBP, I used to think of you as one of the smarter ones here, but not so much any more… Drum, I still think of you as one of the dumbest.
And there’s a difference between this and this.
…can’t even see… what’s right… in front of… their stupid faces.
HERE: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52009#comment-1035935
LittleBanger needs an intervention.
Also, SBP, are you now going to STFU about no one here fantasizing about killing their fellow Americans? How’d you make that error? You seemed so sure! Were you stupid, or did you lie?
I could never figure out why libs so loved JFK, I mean, they despised Tricky Dick, who was to the left of JFK and got us out of JFK’s war in Vietnam.
Until about five years ago. That’s when I discovered JFK was responsible for the inextricable slide of our country into the socialist utopia we find ourselves in now.
The miserable swine bastard legalized public unions, may he rot in hell…
One way to fail at debate is to persistently take literally that which is manifestly…not.
Higher brain functions. You can have them, maybe.
>Marxists<
hello? my name is ayers, davis, columbia. good allan you are stupid
they despised Tricky Dick
Only because they could see him sweating under the bright TV lights. He lost by an average of less than one vote per precinct.
Higher brain functions. You can have them, maybe.
Is anyone offering odds, or have they not yet invented the branch of math needed to count that many zeroes?
“Also, SBP, are you now going to STFU about no one here fantasizing about killing their fellow Americans”
proggtards delenda est
my name is ayers
Is that the same William “Guilty as sin, free as a bird” Ayers who was photographed standing atop an American flag?
The guy who wrote his own communist manifesto?
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
> here fantasizing about killing their fellow Americans? <
kill the effin commies. they are not americans. they are are proggslams. kill the infidel is their chant
Aw, Slappy doesn’t know what buddies are. Poor Slappy.
No. The answer is no. Don’t even think about it.
yo russia nuke chicago. for the fine ayers
For that matter, Slappy doesn’t seem to know what progressives are either. But that’s just because he’s stupid.
“good allan you are stupid”
Anyone arguing with him ain’t looking too sharp either…
” …can’t even see… what’s right… in front of… their stupid faces. – ”
We can see it. It just isn’t what you describe in your pathetic and mendacious faux outrage routine. And we find that routine boring now.
He can’t even tell us what he stands for and why he’s hanging around a bunch of people he spends all of his time calling liars and idiots.
I’ll vote that he’s stupid. Stupid and confused.
” George Bernard Shaw”
Is a repulsive figure.
” I’ll vote that he’s stupid. Stupid and confused.”
He thinks there is great power in his shitty gotcha’s, dumb accusations, myths about economics, and slogan chanting. Wait till he gets the idea of sock puppeting.
“Only because they could see him sweating under the bright TV lights ”
Is not what I was talking about. I mean comparing presidencies. proggs revere
JFK and love that Nixon was impeached and forced to resign. Even though Nixon gave them the EPA and, as I said, ended the hated Vietnam war.
Which, you would think would be an object lesson for the republicans; you can’t appease the left, they are satisfied with nothing less than total submission. McCain, Christy, and Jeb are their choices for us, not for them. The pragmatists just never seen to be able to figure that out.
“Is a repulsive figure”
True.
He was right about wrestling with pigs though.
A charter Progressive, as it were. Despicable to the core.
Nixon was also pro union, protectionist, caused the radio fairness doctrine to be adopted, and shut down Vietnam with his peace with Honor plan. Then he left them to the NVA.
I’m not a Nixon fan.
Kennedy was for lower income taxes and got us into Vietnam.
” He was right about wrestling with pigs though.”
Tell that to Boxer and Clover. If you aren’t willing to wrestle the pigs you’d best follow Mollie to some other farm at your first chance.
So, at what point do you believe that it is morally OK to kill one but not the other? And under what conditions?
> Then he left them to the NVA. <
proggtards in congress lost the vietnam war
Well, Congress ensured that they were left all alone against the NVA.
Recommended reading. “The Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board – Final Report ” 1.8 meg pdf.
On Oswald. He was perfect for the role whether he was the assassin or not. He had ties to military, intelligence, law enforcement, pro and anti Castro groups and to the Soviet Union. He insured that everyone would go into full CYA mode and the smoke generated would make finding any truth impossible.
With the Soviet and Cuba connections every effort was made to close the case and have it go no further than Oswald. Getting the public thinking that the USSR has killed a President was to court war between us. No one in our or their government wanted that so the job of the Warren Commission was to find him to be the lone gunman [BAMN] and declare it over so no war cry would happen.
That part worked. And the smoke and mirrors still work also.
I have no idea who Boxer, Clover, nor Mollie are. I’m sure you made a very clever point though, sorry to have missed it.
They’re critters on the Animal Farm.
“critters on the Animal Farm.”
Ah. Yeah, I’m thinking debating stupid stevie doesn’t really translate.
https://twitter.com/divadoll123/status/403907009428586496/photo/1
Heh.
You think the former has the potential to become something other than the latter?
Boy are you ignorant and confused.
Yep, I just don’t understand why slipperysteve hangs out over here. The only explanation I can come up with is that it’s just his job. Of course, you couldn’t pay me to go over to most lefty sites and comment. I mean, I do have a life.
>Nixon had secretly promised Thieu that he would use airpower to support the Saigon government should it be necessary. During his confirmation hearings in June 1973, Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger was sharply criticized by some Senators after he stated that he would recommend resumption of U.S. bombing in North Vietnam if North Vietnam launched a major offensive against South Vietnam. However, Nixon was driven from office due to the Watergate scandal in 1974 and when the North Vietnamese did begin their final offensive early in 1975, the United States Congress (controlled by the Democrat Party) refused to appropriate the funds needed by the South Vietnamese, who collapsed completely. Thieu resigned, accusing the U.S. of betrayal in a TV and radio address:
“At the time of the peace agreement the United States agreed to replace equipment on a one-by-one basis. But the United States did not keep its word. Is an American’s word reliable these days? The United States did not keep its promise to help us fight for freedom and it was in the same fight that the United States lost 50,000 of its young men.”[7]
The North Vietnamese entered Saigon on April 30. Schlesinger had announced early in the morning of 29 April 1975 the evacuation from Saigon by helicopter of the last U.S. diplomatic, military, and civilian personnel.<
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Ernst, What is sick is that second picture looks to be about two hours past the point Obama (and his supporters) would be cool with termination.
I have similar thoughts. Also, the conspiracy to conceal the conspiracy gets rather baroque rather quickly.
Single shooter, using a long, narrow, unstable bullet (the 6.5 x 52 Carcano traveling at around 2400 fps will fiendishly tumble after hard contact. There’s higher math that could accurately track it’s course, if you knew all the parameters of wet-skull density and the exit angles, but it’s easier to visualize an exit cone: in this case, that cone is a randomized monster, and the bullet still retained a lot of energy).
Oswald just wasn’t the conspiracy type. He was a seeker of glory, an ex-Marine gone loser but one who could definitely hit his targets, and above all he was a loner. No one wanted him. Sheer luck he had the perfect angle from the Texas Book Depository to the street..and unless of course the Conspiracy finds a way to involve his employers there, months before anyone knew Kennedy would even visit Dallas, in the ever-thickening plot?
And Jack Ruby? He was floating around in the underworld scene, sure, Bada Bing, but being a Jew he wasn’t going to be welcomed into any self-respecting Italian Mob society, much less their mechanizations. He might have had an inkling he had the cancer, and at 52 probably figured he had one last chance to prove his ‘stature’ to his peers. Nope, he wasn’t part of any conspiracy.
Because there wasn’t one.
i like how a commie kills a president then 10 years later commies take out an anti commie president. for the swiss cake roll.
well jfk was anti commie a 2 fer
Don’t kid yourself Lee, once “termination” becomes politically expedient, they’re down with it. Life Uworthy of Living and Life for the Convenience of the Living, and all that.
Frankly, I can’t understand why Stevie won’t respect BBH’s choice.
Downright illiberal, if you ask me.
Heh.
JFK hated Commies.
Obama is a (near) Commie.
Same with Hinkley. If he doesn’t read the morning paper, he either offs himself in that hotel room, or he’s on his way to New Haven to murder Jodie Foster before he offs himself.
I hope Jeff gets feeling better soon. Steve of the OFA Klan has earned his departure ticket.
Many times over.
On the other hand, our proprietor could just be having a go with us. I mean, slipperysteve is just a caricature of leftism, isn’t he?
I dunno, hellomynameischuckles serves a unifying funtion.
This thread was starting to get testy, but fortunately the troll farted.
It does seem sometimes as though The Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy and Cover It All Up must have more people in on it than not.
In honor of President Kennedy’s memory, I think I’ll go watch John Wayne’s The Green Berets now.
The opening scene takes place at the John F. Kennedy School for Special Warfare.
I’m sure hellomynameissteve would approve
“Paul Volcker, Larry Summers, yadda-yadda”
I said buddies, not flunkies, liebot.
Get back to me when you address that pile of 100 million corpses, hmm?
Also: you think I give two shits about your opinion of me why, exactly? You’re just a convenient punching bag around here, son.
“being a Jew he wasn’t going to be welcomed into any self-respecting Italian Mob society, much less their mechanizations”
Meyer Lansky?
though Nixon gave them the EPA and, as I said, ended the hated Vietnam war.
– As I’ve outlined here before. Nixon was many things, and many things not too bright, but his acts as far as Nam are concerned were of no real consequesnce, just like the vacuous Leftist peace movement, which was also of no great importance, and started to avoid the draft.
– Nam ended when we completed the deployment of MAD and the mirved warhead missle Boomer sub fleet in ’75. During thos Nixon years the Sate department was running the country, while tricky dick and the Left engaged in their stupid useless “war”.
– To this day the morons in the flower power movement believe they mattered in the least.
The coverup is what proves of the conspiracy, after all.
The fact that it also proves what a downright mean country this is merely serves to ice the cake.
I mean, who wouldn’t want to fundamentally transform such a downright meant nation?
Volker strikes me as more of a token than a flunky.
You know, like how Clinton’s cabinet looked like America.
If JFK was a commie hater, how come he legalized public unions? He had to have known that was job one for the American communist movement.
I’m really asking. I was born the year he took office. I was in 1st grade when Nixon was elected, but I’m pretty sure that “anti-commie” did more to strengthen communist China than anyone else on the planet, including Soviet Russia.
And BBH, I understand where you’re coming from, I was looking at it from the schizoid left’s point of view, and their irrational(given the reasons I mentioned) hate for Nixon.
Leigh tells her son he deserves to pay a higher tax rate than Mitt Romney, so we don’t need to wonder what kind of mom she is.
Leigh tells her son he deserves to pay a higher tax rate than Mitt Romney, so we don’t need to wonder what kind of mom she is.
How many times has Mitt’s money been taxed? I count at least three.
And $1.5 million is still more than $2,800. Maths iz hard.
So that’s your play? Get caught in a lie, just move on to the next one? So do you fantasize about murdering your fellow Americans too, or you just like the company of that sort?
Why do you hate leigh’s son?
Oh wait, you wanted to cut everyone’s taxes, but then you had it pointed out that that would blow up the deficit. So then you fixed that by cratering spending, which would crater the economy with it. And then you fixed that with fggiritt sprnk ppurdle… LIAR! And then you felt just fine.
And $1.5 million is still more than $2,800. Maths iz hard.
– Math isn’t hard for Steve-dolt, its outright blasphemy. More is never enough, what they really want is to make it illegal to make more money than they do. Its rank class envy they mean to “correct” by any means possible, because thats what losers do.
– Every argument on the Left is either a manufactured crisus, a manufactured right, or a manufactured oppression, because they “want”, nothing more.
– Well you “want” it Steve-dork, come and take it. I don’t consider you a “fellow American”, I consider you what you are, a thieving parasite, pure and simple, so eradicating you won’t be a problem if it comes to that.
– You Leftist morons imagine you’ve come up with a clever way to steal what others work hard for and earn. You have not. Its still theft whatever pretty lipstick you try to put on that pig, and you’re still a thieving parasite.
The Eternal Flame Of Failure: On JFK, Et. Al….
Now that the MSM, politicians, and many of the ordinary, but fool Americans have, hopefully, finished with their fellating of JFK, Jackie O, Camelot-of-bull, etc., I feel it is the time to offer some thoughts on the Fiftieth Anniversary of the assassin…
Now I’m hungry.
So, what sort of sides do you suppose would go good with a properly smoked and cured Fellow American?
Math is tyranny. Also, it’s racist.
I want me to pay a higher tax rate than Mitt Romney on earned income than his capital gains.
Slappy the liebot just wants moremoremoremoremoremoremoremore from everybody but him.
“So that’s your play?”
Pointing out that your ideas have never, ever worked, and that there’s a pile of a hundred million corpses to prove it?
Yes.
“So do you fantasize about murdering your fellow Americans too, or you just like the company of that sort?”
So do you like to murder millions of actual people in real life or you just like the company of that sort?
I see Steve has shown up to try and control the narrative.
When facts get in the way of the narrative, ignore the facts.
Slaphead is a useful idiot, except for the “useful” part.
His type is always among the first groups to be sent to the camps. Always.
Seems the desire to create a Hugely Monstrous Conspiracy is a byproduct of human curiosity. An event of epic proportions that has effects so many people down tine-stream will attract overwhelming analysis from anyone with a grander notion (and the need to sell another book), and then evidence is wrung to fit that pet grander theory. ‘How could a simple loser all on his lonesome effect such a sea change event?’, is asked, and next thing you know there’s a million reasons he can’t. People tend to get so immersed in minutia that they forget to apply the KISS principle.
NTTAWWT, of course. People needs to keep their minds busy.
Slaphead is a functionary. He’s playing people, gouging, to elicit then gauge ther reactions, hoping to cause something written he can use. Just keep in mind… “Each of you has the right to remain silent! If you waive the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law!”
/Joe Friday off
/Monstrous Conspiracy Theory off
And he’ll be loaded onto the train thinking how awesome it’s going to be when it stops at Utopia.
SBP says November 23, 2013 at 6:38 am
Slaphead is a useful idiot, except for the “useful” part.
His type is always among the first groups to be sent to the camps. Always.
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Actually Steve gives the impression of having the desire to meet the trains pulling the Stolypin cars. Sorting the Zeks according to their ability to work or not. I get the impression he would take great satisfaction in that.
– Scratch a Progressive, find a Fascist.
stevie’s wilting wallflower act is getting rather tedious, isn’t it?
I want to know why steve hates JFK? The man spoke of tax relief and industry for all. We do the same and we’re the enemy.
It doesn’t make any sense.
Leigh, it’s because hellomyageistwelve puts party over country, over the Constitution, over the rule of law…
The party is mother, the party is father, the party is his conscience and his life.
It doesn’t make any sense.
If seen from proper perspective though, it kinda does. See, Machiavelli taught the Prince that it is well to be thought liberal, but this means primarily giving freely from the resources of others, rather than from one’s own. It’s the giving that secures, with proper guards against dissipation. So.
Niccolo was one smart cookie.
“Slaphead is a functionary. He’s playing people, gouging, to elicit then gauge ther reactions, hoping to cause something written he can use.”
He’s happy enough assiging things to people that they didn’t say or asking “are you still beating your wife as much as you used to “questions.
Youv’e seen his “Shorter X: Y” motif for putting nonsense in people’s mouths.
I’m tired of being called GOP by these idiots. I trust the GOP about as much as an Athenian should trust Alcibiades. A lost soul wanders far from home.
You gotta admit, multiple turncoating aside, he was pretty good at his job.
So, we’re sticking with the illusion JFK was a capitalist even though he legalized public unions huh?
For myself, I’ve found when words don’t match deeds, the deeds are the better source of truth.
JFK did more damage to this country than anyone ever until Obamacare matched his betrayal. In fact, I would submit what JFK did made Obamacare inevitable.
May he rot in hell.
So, we’re sticking with the illusion JFK was a capitalist even though he legalized public unions huh?
I’m not. He did some good things, but a conservative he was not.
He was a terrible president and set us on the course that has been careening us around like a roller-coaster ever since.
The cult of personality can go to hell. I want competence.
JFK’s grandfather was a bootlegger; JFK’s father was a plutocrat; JFK was a politician.
Not a capitalist in the bunch, if you ask me.
JFK’s father was a plutocrat
– Actually there is ample proof he ws a closet Nazi. So outspoken and publicly active in his financial and political support of Adolph and the National Socialists party he lost his ambassadoreship to Britain.
Anti-Semitic for sure. Of course, so was FDR.
‘Narcissist in Chief Strikes Again on 50th Anniversary of JFK Death’
Whadda ya call a bootlegger?
Don’t you just wish the ghost of Lincoln (said to haunt the WH) boots him out of bed in the middle of the night? Or hides his shoes from him? Follows him around muttering at him “For this I wrote the Gettysburg Address?”
Whadda ya call a bootlegger?
An entrepreneur and a capitalist.
money laundering to this day is what’s at the heart of the kennedy clan
a white trash whorefucker john f kennedy is what you get when you launder people
it’s kinda like when you launder cashmere
except what you get is a lil more of a crippled piece of shit pill-popping whorefucker than you probably set out for
america is so funny, kinda
“Whadda ya call a bootlegger?”
The lesser of two evils.
should you use fabric softener when money laundering?
Technically a capitalist is law abiding. Of course, it may be hard to be a law abiding when the laws are stupid.
“should you use fabric softener when money laundering? ”
It’s all digital now.
You open the money file in an editor, find the dirty bit, and change it from a 1 to a 0, and you should be good to go.
Don’t tell the FBI I told you that.
i’m worried about the cash that i forget are in my pants pockets.
I taught my kids to empty their pockets when they toss their clothes in the hamper by playing “finders keepers; losers weepers” with any dough I found in the washer.
well the jacksons will be ironed on cotton with steam
The current red torch and “Wee the People” decorated $10 bill looks like it could use a good laundering. It looks like it spent a week under a men’s room urinal and then got tracked into an alley where it dried out. I know it’s not really yellow, it’s the tiny reddish lines in the paper but the overall impression it gives is of a color that make me want to wear gloves.
http://www.marshu.com/articles/presidents-on-us-united-states-paper-bills-currency-10-ten-dollar-bill.php
heh, presidents on us paper bills! And Hamilton was President when now?
not to mention benjamins
does baracky pay china with woodrow wilsons?
those be gold wilsons
sdferr, I just wanted a picture of one of the ‘ pissed up’ looking $10 bills to illustrate my discription , and I didn’t want a huge one.
I’m not vouching for a site that thinks Hamilton and Franklin were presidents because they are on money. I’m just saying, “Ewww. Look at that gross bill. Yech.”
Oh no, I didn’t think anything at all of your relation to the thing palaeo, just that the thing itself was funny since they create a headline and url they must then spend effort of their own to debunk. It jes struck me as goofy is all.
In an odd way, the websit’s kinda like John Kerry negotiating an “agreement” with Iran, after which he gets the war he didn’t want (at least, I assume he doesn’t want it, but will get it sideways anyhow).
Why am I highly skeptical of any agreement hammered out by John F’n Chamberlain Kerry?
The interwebs are twittering that Israel needs to grow up already about a nuclear Iran.
I think that opens the air space, Bibi.
Happy contrails!
Happy contrails to you, until we meet again.
Happy contrails to you, keep smilin’ until then.
Who cares about the mushroom clouds when we’re together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunni weather.
Happy contrails to you, ’till we meet again.
Too, I wonder whether the Chinese will take offense when moderately significant parcels of their trading partner’s territory suddenly begins to disappear? Hey, Sec. Kerry, have you puzzled that one out to your satisfaction? And while you’re at it, how will the Norks react to their probable loss of revenue? Do ya reckon they’ll try to recover by selling their wares in other, newer venues, Sec. Kerry? Hmmm.
” These Series 1934 gold certificates (of denominations $100, $1,000, $10,000, and $100,000) were issued after the gold standard was repealed and gold was compulsorily confiscated by order of President Franklin Roosevelt on March 9, 1933 (see United States Executive Order 6102), and thus were used only for intra-government transactions and not issued to the public. Of these, the $100,000 is an odd bill in that it was printed only as this Series 1934 gold certificate. This series was discontinued in 1940. The other bills are printed in black and green. See History of the United States dollar.[1]”
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go proggtard
You lost me sdferr. What territory is going to disappear?
Vietnam Joins Forces With India to Balance China
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I would imagine largish sections of Teheran, Qom, and a few other choice strategic targets, not to mention a few tactical sites. KSA has already quietly given permission for the airspace transit.
Oh, places like nuclear weapons related manufacturing sites and the like (missilery depots, possibly), limited I suppose by a dependence on how generous Iran’s enemies happen to feel regarding leaving Iran’s power centers (power, politically speaking) intact.
the week after 9/11/01, strikes on qom and mecca. now not so much, but do it still
So you’re saying Israel will make strikes against Iran, and China won’t like it. So why would that bother Kerry? I imagine he sees that as a feature of the Obama administrations brilliant international strategy.
It’s actually a question, given the risks Kerry seems willing to run, whether he would be bothered by any Chinese reaction to a loss of, just supposing here, any and all oil they may procure from the Persians (or otherwheres up the gulf), should a shooting war break out in the Persian gulf region, potentially shutting off the Straight of Hormuz, even only temporarily for a few months. And hey, how about that, should the Hormuz Straight be imperiled, there’s all those other oil producers shipping through there too, to who knows what all other nations!
Piffle, ’tis a minor consideration, if any consideration at all, we can imagine brilliant John of Massachusetts saying. Not to worry, he’ll say, Canada will make up the difference with oil run down that brand spankin’ new Keystone XL pipeline!
Oh, wait.
China trades petty heavily with Israel too don’t they?
Near as I can tell, all the proggs are ready and willing to not waste any crisis they can create.
You do understand they are jonesing for a low population police state run on renewable energy and yacht parties, right?
I believe they’re starting to, and expect to do a robust business in the future. Though that won’t gas up the factories next week, should the need arise.
“You do understand they are jonesing for a low population police state run on renewable energy and yacht parties, right?”
They’ll take us right back to the 1930’s if we let them. Maybe more like 1910 in some ways. But the good news is they build for shit so whatever they build won’t survive more than 50 or 60 years. Now if we had a frenemy mega-power to prop us up when are running on fumes like the Soviets did then we might make 80 or so but china isn’t able to do that much less willing. And we don’t have a thousand years of imperial conditioning or caste to really keep us under too heavy of boot.
My thought its that unless we get an unexpected cheap easy to use robots and enter some silly pop-sci singularity territory a world that looks like detroit surrounded by shanty towns and shit farms (who fight off or buy off bikers in the raiding season) will form and it will collapse and decentralize region by region possibly due to famine and disease and then there will be vikings.
No massive middle class = no incentive for a high tech society = a decline and stagnation = material poverty even for the rich since no one makes anything amazing for them to buy = fuedalism vs. crime, tribes and a tribute/bondage system. Utopia? Maybe if you have a Robert E Howard fetish.
1984 is a horror story but there is no boot that can feed itself long enough to stamp faces endlessly. Brave new World was scary but wishful thinking. Our “world” is just too fragile. Just look at the hard to develop parts to see how it goes when trucks arrive late or not at all. What we probably can maintain is crossbows, horse and buggy and black powder arms and limited carbon-fueled vehicles. But expect the life span to get a bit shorter even when lived nonviolently. It will be kind of late old west at equilibrium in terms of stuff. Actual character of such a fallen society, I have no idea. I bet it’s not very nice though. I suspect city states and autocrats will abound and have short reigns.
The global centralized high tech rich police state is a fool’s dream whether it goes velvet glove or iron boot. It barely even works in small scandinavian countries where 80% of the people believe in it. Commies only know how to run small towns filled with people who like each other and that’s only if they look the other way on cheating. Commies at any larger scale know how to fail and follow failure with atrocity and that’s about it.
The good news is we’ll get to keep a lot of newer simple handy chemicals like super/hyperoxides when it all goes to shit. So we’ll have that over our ancestors. And we’ll know more about propylenes and silicates than they did too.
“It’s not based on trust.”, goes the Drudge headline quoting the DimwitSecState of Massachusetts.
Indeed, it’s not. It’s based on a craven stupidity and cowardice instead.
perhaps this calls for an emp party
ALL Washington DC Legal Gun Owners to Be Fingerprinted Like Criminals
Does Israel have the capacity to sponsor an EMP Party in Iran?
They’d be foolish not to, bob, and I don’t think they are foolish.
RI Red – I called your 1040 and raised with my retirement plan. You going to show or fold?
Did you see my response up thread?
Sorry, other thread. Transparency, I think.
steve, I trust you are going to contribute to Jeff’s management costs in the coming fund-raiser?
Maybe he can match what I put in. That would be special.
Would be costly , too.
He should double it, just to show you Red what a piker you are to a high-roller like steverino.
It’s just I don’t want to see the ancient sites reduced to ash.
If every Muslim on Earth died, I would be a happy man.
Of course, I worry that Magna Carta will be destroyed in the coming decades.
I used to worry about that too, Bob. Not so much anymore.
I’ll admit, Leigh, I’m not as worried about non-Western sites, but it’s just so damn sad that we have to even contemplate such situations.
I fear a lot of those things we value will be reduced to ash in the next several decades and we will suffer as much of a loss as happened when the Roman Empire fell.
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One hopes that those who are prepping are including the great works on their essential survival gear lists.
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The most valuable barter items will be booze and bullets, and anyone who can make both will be wealthy.
Well, we’re a little shy on booze around here, but I think we can fix that relatively easily.