CA Governor Moonbeam Brown signs laws making Gosnell-style clinics acceptable
Governor Jerry Brown’s decision to sign a bill allowing non-physicians to perform a class of surgical abortions is being hailed by pro-choice (sic) forces as an advance for women’s health. […]
California has long been an outlier for abortion extremism. It already has one of the highest abortion rates in the country, funds it routinely through state programs, has no public abortion-reporting regime, and has voted down parental notice and consent policies. It is hard to imagine a state where abortion could become less medically and socially accountable. […]
Now, thanks to AB 154, many California women will have a form of surgical abortion performed by practitioners who perform no other kinds of surgery, and, as Dr. Mary Davenport notes, who likely are not versed in treating complications such as “hemorrhage, uterine perforation, sepsis, damage to pelvic organs” and other problems that occur in 5 percent of surgical abortions. […]
On the same day Governor Brown signed the “no doctor needed” bill, he signed another, less discussed measure that lowered the health and safety standards required for operation of an abortion facility. Provisions for a larger recovery room than required in a primary care setting and for a separate counseling room were among those lifted. Physically and symbolically, this second law represents the diminution of concern about the moral, human, and personal dimensions of abortion. A California abortion facility may come to resemble the average car-repair shop. Welcome to the disassembly line.
We live in extraordinary times. Bearing a child has never been safer; never have its processes been more dramatically presented to the human eye than they are now through advanced ultrasound; and medical miracles are happening on the frontiers of perinatology with dazzling regularity. In the midst of all this, our governing overseers offer women and girls less time and less care with less-accomplished medical professionals, no public health tracking, and precious little follow-up.
#WarOnWomen, indeed.
allowing non-physicians to perform a class of surgical abortions
this is a nice blow against occupational licensure from a surprising source and I can only hope this approach will be emulated in many many fields of hyper-regulated endeavor
Provisions for a larger recovery room than required in a primary care setting and for a separate counseling room were among those lifted.
I can’t imagine this is any kind of game-changer really – this seems like really small potatoes
the kind what you throw in the slow cooker with a whole chicken and a packet of McCormick Grill Mates Garlic Herb & Wine Marinade
I like to throw in a few small turnips too – but no grains
not anymore anyway
it’s all about making good choices, you see
griefer
Maybe all those non-doctor performed plastic surgeries can be signed into law, too. If women want to risk maiming themselves or ending up dead, who are we to interfere? Pro-choice liposuction!
Why doesn’t he just mail all teenaged girls a coat hanger, a bottle of extra strength Tylenol and call it a day.
there’s no rational reason why you should have to go to medical school and et cetera just to do liposuction
liposuction certification could be done with classes and then a test followed by an apprenticeship and a demonstration of competency
liposuction would be a lot more affordable if you did it this way, and more people could enjoy the benefits and for reals doctors would be freed up to do Important Doctor Stuff
Happy you wouldn’t treat a dog like that.
there’s no rational reason why you should have to go to medical school and et cetera just to do liposuction
Why do you hate teh womyn.
Oh Darleen, there are too many of those pesky babies. And the reason they are here? Wymyns!
#BackAlleyAbortionsRUs.
Griefer
I hope you get a prostate biopsy performed by a non-medical person who did nothing more than take a class or two.
Happy you wouldn’t treat a dog like that.
omg yes I would
I’m not one of those what will fritter my money away on high-end medical care for dogs
I have responsibilities
Darleen that guy *was* a doctor. so that is not a very good example.
We can’t excise all risk from human affairs. We can’t afford to cause we spent all our monies on food stamps and piggy pensions.
No at some point we have to go back to being a market-based economy.
California has long been an outlier for abortion extremism. It already has one of the highest abortion rates in the country, funds it routinely through state programs, has no public abortion-reporting regime, and has voted down parental notice and consent policies. It is hard to imagine a state where abortion could become less medically and socially accountable. […]
Sadly, this. CA went abortion on demand six years before Roe v. Wade, under Governor Reagan no less.
And this may have contributed to the decline of the CA GOP. Governor Pete Wilson, when presented with petitions with the CA Pro-Life groups, clearly in the minority in CA, but numerically strong because CA just has a lot of people, would dismiss the petitions, stating words to the effect of “battle is over on that one–they won.” That didn’t make Pete any friends.
Meanwhile, a lot of Catholics and evangelicals were *completely* mushy headed on the illegal alien issue, to the point of backing “sanctuary” movements in their churches. How did that work out for you, Cardinal Mahony?
Meanwhile, the California Latina women appear to have even higher rates of abortion than California “Anglo” (or is that “Angla”?) ones.
HF seems quite sanguine about things like sepsis which can develop within hours of such a procedure and, if ignored or unrecognized, lead to death quite quickly. I should know, I had an episode early this year which developed into ARDS. Had there not been a physician present who recognized what was going on, I’d be dead. Refusing to grant women the same protections one is afforded during something as mundane as a colonoscopy, demonstrates the Left is not concerned about health; it is concerned solely with death worship.
Griefer
That doctor was never trained in liposuction, he was a ob/gyn. Liposuction carries enough surgical risk even MDs can’t/shouldn’t perform it when it is outside their speciality.
well we will see I bet you a whole 4-ounce bag of Corn Nuts Extreme Heat Mr. Shermlaw that we don’t see a statistically significant rise in the incidence of septic abortions or an increase in the rates of mortality from those that do occur
and we’ll all float on alright
Darleen I am not proposing that people should not have training to do liposuction
I’m saying they don’t really need (at minimum) 150 goddamn thousand dollars of education to perform one
well we will see I bet you a whole 4-ounce bag of Corn Nuts Extreme Heat Mr. Shermlaw that we don’t see a statistically significant rise in the incidence of septic abortions or an increase in the rates of mortality from those that do occur
and we’ll all float on alright
This, sadly. When we even allow gay activists to bully us into redefining marriage now, somehow, the abortion debate in CA is about as relevant as a discussion about “Free silver” vs. gold only currency.
. . . we don’t see a statistically significant rise in the incidence of septic abortions or an increase in the rates of mortality from those that do occur and we’ll all float on alright.
Of course, that wasn’t the argument used when abortion was being discussed as a human right. Indeed, I was there and remember the horror stories of women dying because of shoddy medical practice. “Take it out of the shadows and into clinics with doctors where it will be safe,” we were told. “If it saves one life” and all that. The fact is, your “statistically significant” comment could easily be reformulated to justify keeping abortion illegal.
this has nothing to do with gay marriagings this is about the fetuses
it’s so weird how you guys conflate those issues they’re very peas and carrots
Abortion is an invasive procedure wherein much can go wrong, up to and including death of mother as well as the pesky tissue mass. Even with consent, this is 2nd degree murder or manslaughter at the least.
My point about dogs, was: You wouldn’t think of tying a dog down and performing a spay on her yourself in your garage. We aren’t talking about shoeing a horse or floating its teeth with a file, neither of which require a license or certification. If you were to spay a dog on your own, you would be guilty of felony animal cruelty with fines and jail time.
Guess which one folks will become more incensed about? Gosnell was only found out when he wrote a few too many prescriptions, not because he collected tiny trophy feets in jars.
Mr. Shermlaw the states are the laboratories of democracy which means California can try it this way for awhile and see if it works. And if it works and it delivers services as well or more efficiently, safely, cost-effectively etc as the way they did it before then pother states can say hey maybe we can do it like that.
Then they will look at California’s plan and maybe tweak it to make it more better or to suit their local situation.
Or they will look at it and say oh my goodness that system has worse outcomes then we have with our one we already have! It would be foolhardy to emulate California’s system!
We will see how it goes.
And we’ll all float on alright.
*other* states I mean
Darleen, Sally Kohn penned a lengthy piece yesterday in The Daily Beast about how she wanted abortion on demand to be legal for her daughter, who is now 5 btw.
The comments were ludicrous. One poster kept insisting (repetition makes it so, don’t you know) that a fetus only becomes a child when it breathes on its own. Those few inches of birth canal can signal life or death.
we don’t see a statistically significant rise in the incidence of septic abortions
Of course we won’t. Because, griefer, as pointed out in the post CA refuses to track any stats about abortion.
If the deathcult refuses to report the facts, the facts “don’t exist”.
leigh I had a dog once where every once in awhile she needed some weird butt glands squeezed
she would start dragging her ass across the floor in this weird way and you knew it was time to squeeze the butt glands
you could take her to the vet and he would do it or dad would go out back and do it
I never watched cause I was afraid I would get sick but dad said it was pretty ghastly. But that was super-nice of my dad to squeeze my lil wupper’s butt glands.
But me I would’ve taken her to the vet. Not cause the procedure required a licensed veterinarian bout because it involved squeezing dog butt glands.
So as you can see the point is…
just cause California changes the law to where you don’t have to be a doctor to do something, it doesn’t mean you can’t seek out a doctor and pay more for the privilege of having it done by a doctor.
Hoochies in California will still be able to get abortions done by doctors. Nobody is banning doctors from doing the abortings.
They’re just giving people more choices.
This is a profoundly classically liberal bill.
. . .the states are the laboratories of democracy which means California can try it this way for awhile and see if it works.
Really? Not since 1972 when SCOTUS determined it was one size fits all for the abortion question. If only your love for states’ rights manifested in other, non death worshiping, venues.
One poster kept insisting (repetition makes it so, don’t you know) that a fetus only becomes a child when it breathes on its own.
Willful moral cretinism.
I argued with someone about the Sisters of the Poor’s lawsuit that they shouldn’t be forced to pay for abortifacients and an idiot told me that no contraceptive is an abortifacient. I said, of course some are, since some keep a fertilized egg from implanting.
The person asserted that pregnancy is defined by successful implantation, so “merely” flushing a fertilized egg down the drain does not constitute abortion. Hence, the Sisters should be forced to pay for contraception.
The rape of language marches on.
Hoochies in California will still be able to get abortions done by doctors. Nobody is banning doctors from doing the abortings.
They’re just giving people more choices.
This is a profoundly classically liberal bill.
I believe Gosnell used a similar defense. Were you on retainer, griefer?
The Little Sisters of the Poor mainly care for the elderly who are not exactly the client base for birth control and neither are the Sisters themselves.
The very people, such as the poster you are referring to, no doubt love to tout SCIENCE! Never mind that science has advanced in leaps and bounds since the 70’s. I have seen ultrasounds of my own children at 6 weeks gestation when the beating of their heart may be seen.
So, a new profit center for the ear-piercing booth in the mall.
Lovely.
leigh
Yeah, they shout “SCIENCE”! But refuse the medical terminology that describes the human reproductive cycle
Darleen, I think it all comes down to the fact that they are a bunch of children themselves.
Ignorant, willfully stupid, whiny children at that.
I hope you get a prostate biopsy performed by a non-medical person who did nothing more than take a class or two.
I volunteer. I’ll even root around down there to see if I can find his brain while I’m at it.
Ignorant, willfully stupid, whiny children at that.
– Most children can be all those things. What sets this current crop of young turks apart is their godlessness, which enables them to kill innocent babies simply to avoid responsibility. To bad whoever spawned them didn’t do the same.
– Moonbeams other most excellant adventure in insane illegal politics centers on the bill he signed allowing illegals to practice law.
– Just think about that, and the oath they take to become baristers. But then common sense has never been a long card for the Left.
– I can’t wait for the first Supreme hearing on a tort involving the lost case of a non citzen lawyer. Should be hilarious.
“Your honor, it turns out my console was not a legal citizen, and therefore any court acts by him/her are non-binding….”
“Objection denied….criminals are permitted to act as their own console, therefore they can act as console for others as well.”
“The Constitution guarentees everyone the right of self defense, but in acting as a lawyer for others how can they stand as an officer of the court under oath when they are automatically breaking the law?”
….ect, ect….
Darwin will not be denied.
“Because,” thought Darleen, “I’m like totally cool with abortion. I just want it to be safe!”
Hello, hellomynameissteve. We have some suggested interaction rules at PW (please see recent comments to dalekhunter). Otherwise, we just might take you for a troll (or troll droppings).
They’ll get fierce competition from the nail salons with their pedicure chairs which look all setup to perform procedures already. All they need is a ceiling hung curtain to get a bit of privacy.
Abortion pricing wars coming to your local mall, just in time to rescue the retail sector.
“Because,” thought Darleen, “I’m like totally cool with abortion. I just want it to be safe!”
Wow. I wish I could type that well with my ass.
I smell hillbilly guitarist.
Looks like ole steve’s mother indulged in the drink. He appears to suffer from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
More likely “Bottle-Upside-The-Head-Itis” with multiple recurrences, with the occasional bout of “If-A-Sip-Will-Calm-A-Baby-Then-The-Whole-Bottle-Will-Certaiuly-Shut-THIS-Little-Bastard-Up-Osis”
In Latin, of course…
Salve, abeundum est mihi.
I think it’s nice the poorer sluts amongst us can now go to low cost, low skilled chop shops, leaving shorter lines for the more advantaged, richer sluts what don’t care to rub up against the “stupid luckless food stampy people”, considering the ever decreasing numbers of real doctors America is soon to experience, that made similar poor choices but in less advantaged personal circumstances.
little pink houses for you and me
ohnoes the food stamp machines broke
EVERYONE NEEDS TO STAY INSIDE AND LOCK YOUR DOORS
THIS IS NOT A DRILL
Why, feets? Are you saying that a populace dependent on the Gummint for their basics are likely to turn nasty when Unca Sugar quits makin’ with the free stuff?
TANSTAAFL, MFs
What cannot go on forever… simply won’t.
Funny thing is, the Farmer’s Market (which only takes cash) was bustling today.
That’s only because they believe the cash still has value. That can change, too.
“little pink houses for you and me”
Yeah, right.
Moonbeams answer?
Cheaper abortions for the serfs!
There’s something odd about the comments, the blockquotes are not getting the margin line and there’s a weird 1. ………………………………………………… thing after every comment.
I don’t know if it’s related to the EBT thing, a new BlogSpot format, or the NSA leaving tracks.
Kinda disconcerting…
That’s only because they believe the cash still has value. That can change, too.
Well, they did have sheep and goats for sale, so perhaps they’re preparing to barter.
Can you believe it? Neither steve nor dale responded to my polite queries re their bona fides. Shocked, just shocked.