Deemed “excessive” and cause for disqualification? Pointing to the sky.
Too bad. Had the anchor broken the tape and kissed another dude full on the mouth, he probably would have gotten a congratulatory call from the President.
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so embarrassing for Texas
but I guess Perry’s inured them to that
Zero-tolerance marries anti-religious bigotry.
It’s going to get worse.
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gaia ist verboten?
Natur ist tödlich und muß deshalb beendet werden.
There are griffons in the sky. Everyone in the EU knows griffons are evil, so must be eradicated. Never fear. Law is on the way.
griffons are majestic
there’s no pace for them on that stunted little continent
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Kid was lucky they didn’t catch him Tebowing. Might have found himself banned for life.
Re: sdferr’s 9:41, a link to what he is referring to.
My take was:
Very typical of governments in everything. They assume that any “solution” they do will not have any consequences or cause any reactions, then they force a new “solution to “fix” the problem the old “solution” caused, rinse repeat. In programing this is how kluges are made and made bigger till they become “Rube Goldberg” devices.
There are literally scores of Latin American players in Major League Baseball who make exactly the same gesture whenever they hit a home run or strike out a batter to end an inning. It happens in virtually every single game and no one thinks it’s “excessive”.
This is shear madness.
Look on the bright side: assuming they get a good lawyer, the kid’s college is now paid for.
I saw somewhere that there is a rule against celebrating on the track, and that the judges thought he was making an inappropriate, “we’re no. 1” sign.
Which is still kind of stupid, but given the circumstances of choreographed dance numbers after every minor athletic achievement these days maybe is a step in the right direction.
Am I the only one who considers pointing at God to be highly disrespectful? It’s like claiming to be “best buds” with that Almighty, and thanking him for scoring that beer for you *on sale* (omnipotence has its privileges) at the corner convenience store.
Maybe I should send a letter to the governing body that disqualified the team thanking them for defending/respecting my religious beliefs against hooligan blasphemers.
That ought to make some proggy heads explode…
Ba haa haaa haaa.
The intent of the finger-pointing is the issue here, Mondamay. If that was the runner’s intent, then it’s a bit tawdry.
But most mean it as a sign of “giving it up” to God. Only through him can they accomplish anything. That’s a tad more humble. That even at THAT moment, they are thinking of Him.
But of course, I don’t know the runner’s intent.
At professional athletic games, etc, it does seem a bit cheap. For a high school athlete at that level of competition? – more appropriate.
my .02
I’ll admit my portrayal is probably a bit over the top. It’s just a thing with me about mixing athletic success and religious displays.
I hadn’t really thought about it as you describe it though.
Make no mistake, though, disrespectful or not, I support the relay team in this, or perhaps more accurately, I support making progs even more miserable because of it.
Paraphrasing Bobby Knight: God doesn’t care who wins a basketball game, nor should he.
A lot of it is just fashion, also. My high school baseball team it was popular to cross yourself before taking an at bat because all the cool latino players did it on TV.
None of the guys were particularly religious at all, much less Catholic.
beemoe —
God may not care who won a game. But giving thanks to your inspiration, if that happens to be God, shouldn’t be grounds for disqualification.
Whether its fashion or not doesn’t make a difference. Unless you can claim to see in someone’s heart. In which case, by all means, draw up the socially-acceptable gesture rule book and impose it. We can’t have a free country if people are going to go around being intolerant of the rights of others not to have to see gestures that make them feel icky.
Remember that old movie “Hoosiers”? The preacher’s son would always drop to one knee courtside and pray. Gene Hackman tapped him on the shoulder after it went on a bit too long and told him, “Son, the Lord wants you on the court.”
There are literally scores of Latin American players in Major League Baseball who make exactly the same gesture whenever they hit a home run or strike out a batter to end an inning. It happens in virtually every single game and no one thinks it’s “excessive”.
I’ve recently seen guys crossing themselves before they reach the plate after a homerun (going down the third base line, that is). I don’t know the implications, but among the possibilities don’t necessarily take the gesture as giving the deity his due so as not to be taken as too prideful prior to their reward. It’s a tough business hitting a pitched ball, and they may think they’ll need all the help they can get in the future, so why leave it to chance?
God doesn’t care who wins the Super Bowl as long as it isn’t the Buffalo Bills.
Bobby Knight knows the mind of God and how one should conduct themselves during an athletic event.
“Everybody is a winner” feel-goodism, sans velvet glove.
Jeff,
I don’t remember where I saw it, and don’t have time to look now, but the person that made the call said they thought he was signaling “no. 1” on an area of the track where celebrating isn’t allowed.
If the rules say you can’t celebrate until you are off the track, then wait until you are off the track to celebrate. Sportsmanship matters too.
Everybody knows the part of Matthew with the Lord’s Prayer, but they always seem to miss the bit leading up to it.
we have to pray just to make it today
I don’t really much care, bmoe. And I’m not going to fall back on bullshit notions from the lefties like “making the losers feel bad” and conflate that with “sportsmanship.”
Further, I’m not going to quote scripture at believers from my perch as a non-believer to teach them a lesson about how to properly interpret gospel.
This was an overreaction, it’s part and parcel of the PC soul-sucking of emo America, and anyone who defends it does so at the risk of sounding like a fucking moron.
Oh. And go ahead and jump up and down if you hit the game winning home run, too. You have my permission to be a human.
The problem, obviously, is the existence of clear and understandable standards of winning and losing that lead runners who cross the finish line first to assume they’ve won, or baseball players who hit a ball over the fence to assume they’ve scored a run. If they didn’t know these standards they’d have to wait — to pass the bill to see what’s in it, to coin a phrase — before knowing whether there’s something to celebrate.
And then of course, there would be appeals to a higher court. It could take years.
Oh no. Someone tried to institute a theocracy on a high school track field. Thank history that the man was there to stamp on that before it took hold. Gotta’ keep’em separated…
I hope Ace’s condoms are safe.
Gee thanks. I remember when you used to be able to have discussions here and disagree without being constantly berated as a troll, griefer, retard or moron.
You guys are becoming the hyper sensitive, narrow minded, humorless prigs you have made fun of on the left for years.
Good sportsmanship and class are PC constructs fiendishly designed to suck the soul from America.
Who knew.
So you’ve become repetitive at telling us. Also, you remember when this place used to be cool.
As far as discussions go, what’s there to discuss? You went out your way to find scripture to reinforce a lesson that high school athletic bureaucracies aren’t paying attention to to justify a disqualification. These kids worked long and hard and you evidently think that they showed egregious sportsmanship (but just in case, they got the scripture wrong too, and besides, rules are rules!) of the kind that justifies the punishment.
I don’t. I think it was an overreaction. And I think it was an overreaction to a perceived religious gesture that is hardly worthy of the consequence. If you now want to pretend to be butthurt because I called anyone who would justify destroying all these kids worked for morons for acting like little esteem / and or religion-in-the-public square police, there’s not a whole lot I can do, I guess, but sit here and listen to you badmouth the site. Again.
Who knew after all the years commenting here and reading me you’d pretend I wouldn’t note that the very idea that this was poor sportsmanship deserving of the punishment leveled is part of what is in dispute here? Meaning, if it really were in my mind poor sportsmanship, then it wouldn’t be a PC construct designed to prevent esteem and or religious cootie damage to delicate psyches.
Since it’s not, and yet those ideas are being used to justify this tremendously stupid overreaction, which is really no different from other ostensible “zero-tolerance” policies that schools now use to protect themselves from having to operate like rational humans, yes, it is part of a PC construct fiendishly designed to suck the soul out of competition.
So now you know.
You’re welcome.
The guy who made the ruling stated he didn’t interpret it as a religious gesture, but what does he know about interpretation, right?
I have not argued once that it was not an over-reaction. My argument has been that maybe you are over-reacting a bit also. And that it maybe wasn’t intended as an act of religious persecution.
Your response was to call me a fucking moron. And accuse me of bad-mouthing a site I have been an active member of for almost a fucking decade.
Yeah, that’s real fucking cool dude.
And for the record, most excessive celebration rules have jack shit to do with PC. They were started mostly by God fearing Christians who were horrified at the idea of their fine Christian Athletes acting like those niggers on television.
I think it is rather ironic that it bit them on the ass.
Hey, and who would ever lie about their motives once they are hit with a big backlash, right? Besides, if he really was a religious bigot, he’d probably just come right out and say so. That’s how it generally works.
It matters to me not what the reason was, be it oversensitivity to religious displays, as the team and father claimed, or oversensitivity to putting one’s finger in the air after winning a championship, as the hall monitor now claims. What matters is that this is part and parcel of a problem that I see repeated over and over in other zero tolerance situations, and no, having been an athlete myself, I don’t think I’m overreacting. All that hard work taken away from you because some douche doesn’t like the way you expressed your joy?
That’s moronic.
My response was to call anyone who would try to justify this kind of ruling a fucking moron.
As for bad-mouthing the site, there was no accusation. Just a repetition of what you said in a thread recently. Which I didn’t find particularly cool, either.
Yes. These boys did that. Probably carry the Christian abolitionist disdain for niggers in their blood stream like a virus. Of course, some of the team were blacks, but hey, blacks can hate blacks too, else how do you explain Clarence Thomas? And they got what was coming to them for having first argued not to act like the niggers on the teevee (well, not them, but their cult), then going out and acting like the niggers on the teevee.
You’ve got these sanctimonious do-gooders pegged, and fuck them if they can’t live by their own rules, the hypocrites.
Somebody ought to wrote a set of rules built around that premise. Might prove politically useful…
Did I say any of that?
Does what somebody actually says even matter to you any more?
Ooh, the intentionalist burn thrown back at me. Who could have seen that coming?
You’re right, bmoe. You have intimated no such thing and I was wrong to suggest that from your comments I can detect a kind of barely contained hyper-disdain for sanctimonious Christians, or a schadenfreude for their having had some of their own personal sanctimony — when it was used to distinguish themselves from the “niggers” (sorry, just quoting you, wouldn’t want to misrepresent!) — turned back on them.
I apologize for my clear misreading and will from now on will read only literally and will not consider context, intertext, political ideology or beliefs, etc., when trying to interpret.
Since when is a hand gesture “excessive celebration?” I can think of a number of obscene gestures, of course, but I have a hard time thinking of one that would be excessively celebratory.
That said, apparently, that’s the rule. It’s an ass, and makes asses of everyone, and ought to be done away with.
But it won’t be. Because we no longer allow adults to make adult decisions about things like what gestures are and aren’t appropriate. We’ll just ban them all. It’s fairer that way.
Personally, I hope somebody finds video of a different Texas track meet where a similiar gesture was made without the rule being enforced.
Fuck it. I am going to go look for some oppressive laundry baskets to yell at.
use petrolatum on intentionalist burn
win or lose it should be a rite of passage for young athletes in texas to abuse this rule
BMoe, have Jeff shoot me your email and I’ll give you a long list of murder-mysteries to read.
Cheer up, bubba. Please.
for sure this would’ve been a way more funner thread if the runner had kissed another dude full on the mouth
he’ll know better next time
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” a way more funner thread if ”
Keynesian gaydom which is to say throw gayz at it
it is the way of the samurai Mr. newrouter
Had he kissed a dude on the mouth, he’d probably have received a call from Obama and a Nobel Peace Prize.
“happyfeet says May 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm
it is the way of the samurai Mr. newrouter ”
The Samurai have been a gone a long time.
Run the fucking bases first, capiche?
Probably best if a Jew does it. Those people just know shit.
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i dunno but this isn’t religious oppression it’s just stupid people being stupid I think
public schools are a magnet for dumbfucks
Rules and laws are set-up to control and/or prevent bad behavior. A society agrees to abide by them because it is in their best interest, especially in the long run, to do so. Rules and laws help preserve order. Without order, of course, civilization cannot remain stable.
However, as with all things, rules and laws can be used for nefarious purposes.
The aim of Zero Tolerance, I think, is to condition people to instinctively obey orders, so that their first reaction is to do so unquestioningly. It is a policy born of Totalitarian impulses.
No matter where Zero Tolerance occurs, in big areas or small, it must be fought.
Resist we much!