Whitehead told Beck that he is planning to sue over a provision in Virginia state law that allows authorities to place a person in emergency custody and hold them for four hours unless a magistrate enters a temporary detention order (TDO). Raub was held under this law, specifically Va. Code § 37.2-808, for days.
“We are getting ready to file a civil lawsuit because [Raub] has been through hell for a week,” said Whitehead. But, he explained, “Under the civil commitment law in Virginia, they can do this.”
From a previous Blaze report:
On August 20, Raub was sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility after he was detained by federal law enforcement on August 16 over some Facebook posts that criticized the U.S. government and questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also referred to “starting a revolution.”
Whitehead said that veterans have since been contacting him from across the country claiming they too were victims of wrongful detention in psychiatric institutes like Raub.
“It happens. There are about 20,000 civil commitments each year in Virginia,” he added.
It was actually Raub’s mother, who took to Facebook in a rage after he son was taken by federal and local law enforcement officers, that sounded the alarm and made the entire country aware of his situation.
“Did they have a warrant for his arrest?” Beck asked.
“No warrant, no search warrant,” Whitehead replied. “They haven‘t charged him with a crime and they aren’t going to.”
Stunned, Beck asked how this could take place in the United States of America, where the Constitution provides protections from such things, most notably the First Amendment.
“Is this America,” the attorney said. “That’s what I keep asking.”
John Whitehead, Attorney for Brandon Raub, Gives Glenn Beck First Interview Since Clients Release
To be clear, Raub is a 9/11 “truther” and harbors some pretty questionable beliefs. However, as Beck explains, “I will stand with anyone on the left for their right to express themselves in a non-violent way… especially if I find it offensive, I will stand for their right to say it.”
Further, in a surprising twist, Whitehead revealed a startling allegation that his client told him about prior to his release. Raub complained to his attorney that one of the psychiatrists that he was seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him to take medication.
“That really scared him,” he said.
After soaking in all that Whitehead had shared with him, Beck reflected:
“From what I know of this story, this is an outrage. There were some things that stick out to me — as flares of caution. But the one thing we should be reckless with is our defense of people who have opinions that we don’t agree with. I have never asked for a boycott, I’ve never asked for someone to be fired.”
He continued: “If we can’t meet on the battlefield of ideas, as George Washington said, If we can’t speak to each other openly, if we are paranoid and watching over our shoulder, we lose the essence of who we are and we will never be a great nation again… Buckle up, I have a feeling that this is going to be an interesting ride.”
I couldn’t believe that he lived so close to me. Local radio host interviewed his lawyer this afternoon. The guy was pretty non-committal, but he did mention the words “state” and “civil lawsuit” in the same sentence. As much as I like the fiscal shape Virginia is in, I hope that the check has a lot of zeroes. Oh, and I hope that they paint the miscreants in honey and stake them out on an anthill.
Too much? Or should I expect to get put away tomorrow?
OT: Peggy Noonan imagines Joe Biden speaking in Tampa:
It is good that Joe Biden is going to the Republican National Convention to hold high the flag of his party. People make fun of his gaffes, of his embarrassing verbal forays, but he’s no fool and he knows how to take it to the other guy. The speech he is working on, to be given in the heart of downtown, just across from the convention site, will be stirring and stentorian: “All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Tampa, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, ‘Ich bin ein Tampon.'”
why are we calling him “ex marine”? Isn’t he a former marine?
otherwise, carry on. It’s interesting to hear that there are 20,000 commitments in VA each year. My aunt has schizophrenia and it was absolute hell trying to get her medicated before she seriously hurt herself (or someone else). The gov’t is not usually on the side of family members trying to help a mentally ill sibling — why the hell would the govt suddenly get so interested in a situation like this?
Did he make threats against Obama on facebook? (snark)
Now we need to punish those who put him there to begin with.
With prejudice.
“The mom and son feel aggrieved, being taken without charge and detained, and a civil action is being discussed,” Mr. Whitehead said. “And I want to make sure this doesn’t happen again. If you can handcuff someone and detain them without charge, that’s not freedom. The law must be modified so this doesn’t happen again.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the law doesn’t allow this as it stands. Make them pay.
“There’s a lot of great work being done,” said Seabrook. “I think the problem is the Congress itself. And we’re all in the same positions, scrambling to figure out how the hell to cover these assholes.”
– Which, that right there will get her excluded from all the right parties and such. But maybe the old idea of true journalism will catch on again, maybe.
Affirmative! I’m supposed to be on leave next week but I wasn’t planning on leaving the local area. If an evacuation is called for I’ll cancel the leave and head inland to either Orlando, Jax or Atlanta depending on the storm’s track.
Course you might see a little surf generator your way as well.
“It sounds like Danger likes to stir up a bit of trouble”
We have a great time with the inter-service rivalry where I work; but truth be told, I have a ton of respect for the leathernecks.
Reagan’s line: No greater friend and no worse enemy was vividly illustrated to me by my Marine Corp drill instructor at AOCS.
Yep, still in the cone. Though sooner certainly and with every passing track estimate relatively more distant, centerlinedly speaking, of course. A day and a half ago we were on the centerline. Now I’m showing it 80+ miles west of here at the perpendicular. If Isaac turns up at that distance, I doubt we see winds over 30 mph steady, with gusts a bit higher. On the other hand, that long reach from Cuba to y’alls over all that hot water might just generate a beast by the time it gets to your coast.
If the gentleman is indeed mentally unstable and a threat to others, the government still has to act within the limits of the constitution. It does not appear that they did so in this case.
Just one fly in the ointment. I don’t see how the “them” that is going to pay is anyone other than the Taxpayer.
It would be very, very nice if they could find a way to soak the individuals responsible (or irresponsible) instead of the usual penalty on the productive innocents when the bureaucrats break the rules.
Good that he’s been released and not forcibly medicated. Hopefully at least a little fear will be put into those who abuse the law.
And is that the same SarahW that thinks a Best Buys employee asking to look in your bag as you exit the store is an egregious violation of your civil rights?
beck just interviewed his lawyer
Great news. Thank you Jeff for fighting for him.
That’s a fight for EVERYONE.
I thought John Murtha (*spit*) was the only ‘ex’-Marine we recognized.
Unlawful imprisonment? Kidnapping? Terrorism?
Send’em to Gitmo for as long as Raub was locked up.
Perhaps a prosecution under 18 USC Sec 241 …
The trouble with stories like this are the facts are few and far between.
Whitehead told Beck that he is planning to sue over a provision in Virginia state law that allows authorities to place a person in emergency custody and hold them for four hours unless a magistrate enters a temporary detention order (TDO). Raub was held under this law, specifically Va. Code § 37.2-808, for days.
“We are getting ready to file a civil lawsuit because [Raub] has been through hell for a week,” said Whitehead. But, he explained, “Under the civil commitment law in Virginia, they can do this.”
From a previous Blaze report:
On August 20, Raub was sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility after he was detained by federal law enforcement on August 16 over some Facebook posts that criticized the U.S. government and questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also referred to “starting a revolution.”
Whitehead said that veterans have since been contacting him from across the country claiming they too were victims of wrongful detention in psychiatric institutes like Raub.
“It happens. There are about 20,000 civil commitments each year in Virginia,” he added.
It was actually Raub’s mother, who took to Facebook in a rage after he son was taken by federal and local law enforcement officers, that sounded the alarm and made the entire country aware of his situation.
“Did they have a warrant for his arrest?” Beck asked.
“No warrant, no search warrant,” Whitehead replied. “They haven‘t charged him with a crime and they aren’t going to.”
Stunned, Beck asked how this could take place in the United States of America, where the Constitution provides protections from such things, most notably the First Amendment.
“Is this America,” the attorney said. “That’s what I keep asking.”
John Whitehead, Attorney for Brandon Raub, Gives Glenn Beck First Interview Since Clients Release
To be clear, Raub is a 9/11 “truther” and harbors some pretty questionable beliefs. However, as Beck explains, “I will stand with anyone on the left for their right to express themselves in a non-violent way… especially if I find it offensive, I will stand for their right to say it.”
Further, in a surprising twist, Whitehead revealed a startling allegation that his client told him about prior to his release. Raub complained to his attorney that one of the psychiatrists that he was seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him to take medication.
“That really scared him,” he said.
After soaking in all that Whitehead had shared with him, Beck reflected:
“From what I know of this story, this is an outrage. There were some things that stick out to me — as flares of caution. But the one thing we should be reckless with is our defense of people who have opinions that we don’t agree with. I have never asked for a boycott, I’ve never asked for someone to be fired.”
He continued: “If we can’t meet on the battlefield of ideas, as George Washington said, If we can’t speak to each other openly, if we are paranoid and watching over our shoulder, we lose the essence of who we are and we will never be a great nation again… Buckle up, I have a feeling that this is going to be an interesting ride.”
link
I couldn’t believe that he lived so close to me. Local radio host interviewed his lawyer this afternoon. The guy was pretty non-committal, but he did mention the words “state” and “civil lawsuit” in the same sentence. As much as I like the fiscal shape Virginia is in, I hope that the check has a lot of zeroes. Oh, and I hope that they paint the miscreants in honey and stake them out on an anthill.
Too much? Or should I expect to get put away tomorrow?
they’ve posted the video of beck’s interview
link
OT: Peggy Noonan imagines Joe Biden speaking in Tampa:
why are we calling him “ex marine”? Isn’t he a former marine?
otherwise, carry on. It’s interesting to hear that there are 20,000 commitments in VA each year. My aunt has schizophrenia and it was absolute hell trying to get her medicated before she seriously hurt herself (or someone else). The gov’t is not usually on the side of family members trying to help a mentally ill sibling — why the hell would the govt suddenly get so interested in a situation like this?
Did he make threats against Obama on facebook? (snark)
Outstanding.
With prejudice.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the law doesn’t allow this as it stands. Make them pay.
So, I’m watching Beck and wondering with him why no one has paid such a visit to the New Black Panther lunatics.
Because it would be racist. Duh.
@missfixit
If you talk to many of them, they’ll tell you that there is no such thing as an EX Marine.
They’re Marines for life.
“why are we calling him “ex marine”? Isn’t he a former marine?”
Most Marines will tell you that the only ex-marine is Lee Harvey Oswald.
Tomorrow, I’ll have to ask our Marine liason where John Murtha stands.
It sounds like Danger likes to stir up a bit of trouble.
I’ll have to ask our Marine liason where John Murtha stands.
Still dead, still world class douchenozzle.
Danger Dave may be on the centerline of a bit of trouble name of Isaac come next Wed. early am. You tracking Danger?
“OT: Peggy Noonan imagines Joe Biden speaking in Tampa:”
Oh wow.
“….but they were honest lies you know….”
“There’s a lot of great work being done,” said Seabrook. “I think the problem is the Congress itself. And we’re all in the same positions, scrambling to figure out how the hell to cover these assholes.”
– Which, that right there will get her excluded from all the right parties and such. But maybe the old idea of true journalism will catch on again, maybe.
People used to fear and respect journalists. Now they’re all a bunch of assclowns, it seems.
“You tracking Danger?”
Affirmative! I’m supposed to be on leave next week but I wasn’t planning on leaving the local area. If an evacuation is called for I’ll cancel the leave and head inland to either Orlando, Jax or Atlanta depending on the storm’s track.
Course you might see a little surf generator your way as well.
“It sounds like Danger likes to stir up a bit of trouble”
We have a great time with the inter-service rivalry where I work; but truth be told, I have a ton of respect for the leathernecks.
Reagan’s line: No greater friend and no worse enemy was vividly illustrated to me by my Marine Corp drill instructor at AOCS.
Yep, still in the cone. Though sooner certainly and with every passing track estimate relatively more distant, centerlinedly speaking, of course. A day and a half ago we were on the centerline. Now I’m showing it 80+ miles west of here at the perpendicular. If Isaac turns up at that distance, I doubt we see winds over 30 mph steady, with gusts a bit higher. On the other hand, that long reach from Cuba to y’alls over all that hot water might just generate a beast by the time it gets to your coast.
SarahW says it’s not at all unlikely that this guy is dangerous and crazy and I believe her she’s from Virginia you know plus she’s SarahW
best to take a wait and see approach on this one
If the gentleman is indeed mentally unstable and a threat to others, the government still has to act within the limits of the constitution. It does not appear that they did so in this case.
– And the good news just keeps on’a comin’ for the Wonce.
“Alice in Missouriland….and it gets weirder by the day….”
Just one fly in the ointment. I don’t see how the “them” that is going to pay is anyone other than the Taxpayer.
It would be very, very nice if they could find a way to soak the individuals responsible (or irresponsible) instead of the usual penalty on the productive innocents when the bureaucrats break the rules.
Good that he’s been released and not forcibly medicated. Hopefully at least a little fear will be put into those who abuse the law.
SarahW says it’s not at all unlikely that this guy is dangerous and crazy
I have heard the same said about you.
And is that the same SarahW that thinks a Best Buys employee asking to look in your bag as you exit the store is an egregious violation of your civil rights?