Perhaps it’s neither Here, nor There . . . but I have found myself musing on the case of John Brown, the Abolitionist Crusader and killer.
We may have in this James Holmes just such another self-chosen megalomaniacal martyr in the present instance in this respect: it is possible he may be a cold-blooded murderer whose infernal object (which he thinks to induce) is to rid our society of firearms — firearms of all types — by means of misusing precisely those objects to achieve his aims. Just an uncomfortable thought — and one for which I have no evidence at all.
Dear Mr. Ebert, as your recent, unpopular, sophomoric diatribe about how video games can’t be art should have reminded you, it would be best for all concerned if you were to kindly shut the fuck up when not telling us what movies you like and don’t like as that is your soul area of expertise and interest to the public. No one desires or values your ignorant leftist toady perspective on public safety policy or constitutional law. Nor should they. You are not remotely bright enough to be a significant influence in such things merely because a massacre happened at the movies and you review movies. That is why you are in the rather harmless and simple business of critiquing entertainment media as a matter of offering some measure of “take it or leave it” consumer advice.
In case you hadn’t noticed, massacres are already illegal. Please note that guns were already forbidden legally on the premises. Note that cocaine, heroine, marijuana, and other drugs are similarly legally forbidden. And yet they are easy to find an represent a huge business the profits of which easily sustain the activity despite law after law forbidding it. Likewise prohibition did not end drinking and helped to found a criminal empire.
Your muddle headed view that we need more and harsher laws to prevent already illegal acts, in the face of overwhelming evidence that bans don’t actually stop possession or trafficking of a restricted commodity, is positively childlike. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will NOT take them away from those who ignore the law anymore than a law forbidding murder or possession of weapons at a movie theater prevented those criminal acts.
Such an idiotic point of view must be founded in a stubborn denial of reality and a desire to see life work in some pastoral cosmic harmony as is often found in juvenile fiction. Everything has a place and a purpose and prudence is always rewarded and people are nice to you if you are nice to them. These rules do not apply so perfectly in real life nor does real life pander to your sensibilities. That is why your intuitive outrage on this issue cannot be taken seriously as a guide for future action that will negatively impact honest law abiding people’s lives. You cannot put a genie back into its bottle and return to life as it was before it came out. Life is not a movie, Mr. Ebert, and that’s why your stuffed up opinion of it how it ought to work does NOT matter.
My takeaway from the whole incident is the country doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a problem with the way it deals with the mentally disturbed.
When was it? Fifteen , twenty years ago, they closed the mental institutions and let the people out with instructions to take their meds?
Yeah, right.
When they call up the mom and she’s totally unsurprised, you know there needs to be a different approach to the psychotics among us.
Unfortunately, that isn’t the discussion. It’s Chris Hanson breathlessly telling us the shooter bought 6 THOUSAND rounds of ammunition…OFF THE INTERNET!
Best stock up people, they know they can’t collect 100, 000,000 guns from the people, but they can make it very hard to get ammo. I’m convinced that’s their next strategy.
In the mean time, expect more bone headed government policies that cause more problems requiring more government policies that, coincidentally, always seem to restrict the rights of the individual for social justice. Funny how that works…
It was about 40 years ago. Courtesy of cost-cutting measures and do-gooders meeting up and agreeing on something for once.
The problems of the mentally ill are myriad, as we all know, not the least of which is that you, me, your hypothetical crazy uncle and my hypothetical lecherous cousin, all have the right to be mentally ill. That’s right folks. If you don’t want to take your meds, that’s just the way it is and we all have to deal with it. Most mental hospitals have been shuttered and the patients parceled out to live in group homes often without the knowledge of the neighbors.
“Best stock up people, they know they can’t collect 100, 000,000 guns from the people, but they can make it very hard to get ammo. I’m convinced that’s their next strategy.”
That was whole intent of the idiotic 1982 teflon “cop-killer” bullet scare. Most ammo uses teflon to save wear on gun barrels. The press tried to confuse the common use of teflon as a lubricant with rare solid-cored armor penetrating rounds that were not legally sold to the civilian public anyway(as of 1986).
The obvious intent was to have an excuse to “accidently” block virtually ALL ammo sales pending some highly regulated non-teflon bullets going on the market in limited amounts as an expensive and hard to find “replacement” and the plan had to be able pass muster with the ignorant easily scared to hysteria types. So that’s exactly what the press tried to help them do.
They tried raising similar scares with hollow points and semi-jackets (which are pretty much just hollow points) and other (usually low velocity) rounds that try to maximize disruption.
IIRC is wasn’t just the teflon coated rounds as it was outlawing any ammo that could penetrate a [so called] “bullet proof vest” and could be fired in a “handgun”which would have eliminated almost all common rifle ammo as there were various single shot hunting “handguns” which used or could use rifle ammo.
They weren’t just including teflon coated rounds but teflon SPRAY COATED rounds. Which is MOST ROUNDS manufactured.
And yeah they did not try to keep rifle rounds (which also use teflon) separate. It was just bullet ammo in general that was the target.
They tried to imply that teflon coating was a new thing that existed JUST to make nay handgun bullets able to penetrate kevlar/aramid vests. It was bunk. But it almost worked.
geoff and palaeo, meanwhile the ATF has banned some “green” ammo (solid copper “safe for mother Gaia” projectiles) because the ammo tends to be armor piercing.
When they call up the mom and she’s totally unsurprised, you know there needs to be a different approach to the psychotics among us.
Yes. But my fear is of who gets to decide who’s a psychotic. This is a real problem, and I have no idea how it ought to be solved, aside from that the family ought to be involved. Your peeps know if you’re crazy.
Unfortunately, that isn’t the discussion. It’s Chris Hanson breathlessly telling us the shooter bought 6 THOUSAND rounds of ammunition…OFF THE INTERNET!
If I had the cash laying around, I’d do that right now.
Are you sure? It doesn’t seem that long ago. I don’t have a clear memory, but it seems like the mid to late 80?s.
Yes. At least that was the case in California and was one of the raps the Left liked to hang on RWR when he was governor. And you are correct that a tremendous number of persons who are homeless have mental illnesses and substance abuse issues to go with them. Most of them are just pathetic human beings who are in need of a safety net that is no longer there. Every once in a while one of them will tip over the edge and you’ll get a guy like the Sacramento Vampire who was buying rabbits at the pet store and drinking their blood until he decided he needed to kill actual people and drink their blood. He killed a pregnant woman and stole and killed an infant before he was caught. Ironically, he od’d on his meds in jail and died.
I think you may be thinking of John Hinkley gunning down RWR in 1980 as your starting point, Lee. I believe that is when most people started taking notice of the mumbling winos in the doorways and on the steam grates.
Poor but happy isn’t a bad way to go through life! But now you’ll need a small business loan to buy ammo. I recommend Federal Hydra-shoks. Spendy, but that’s what the FBI uses to get their man.
Oh, and you’ll need practice ammo. This stuff isn’t bad — cheaper than a lot of FMJ ammo — and while it’s not premium, it’s a good way to lay in a goodly supply of jacketed hollowpoints in case the zombies show up before you can stock up on the good stuff.
Reloaders are available on eBay, Jeff. Think of it as a useful tool and a way to spend quality time with the boys. Tanner can watch from his swing for now. Slinging a tiny toy revolver, of course.
And several spare mags. I trust they’re not cheap for such a fine piece of ordnance….
Nope, they’re not. But you’ll want at least two extras besides the one in the gun.
Good gun leather — too idiosyncratic to make a recommendation (I didn’t like any of ’em so I make my own) — and cleaning supplies. Hoppe’s #9, a rod, a tooth brush, some pipe cleaners, patches and rags should do for cleaning. Let the solvent do the work and avoid a lot of scrubbing. Then there’s lubricant. Go with the manufacturer’s recommendations but know that autos must be properly cleaned and lubed to function. If the manufacturer doesn’t recommend anything try Shooter’s Choice FP-10. Slicker than snake snot.
Whatever you do keep your mags and your breach face dry and clear of any cleaners or lubes. Some of that stuff will seep around primers and render your rounds inert. that’s a bad thing.
As a traditionalist I’m bound to scoff — SCOFF!! — at anything not designed by Saint Browning. On the other hand FN makes some of the finest weapons in the world. Keep it clean and properly lubed, and find ammo it likes — some guns are finicky, try a few different loads if need be — and I’m thinking you’ll be happy with it.
If it were me I’d stick to loads with 230 grain bullets making at least 850 fps to start. Since you brought this up I’ve read a few bad reviews on the FNP and they all seem to stem from using lighter weight bullets in high-velocity rounds and light-weight bullet low-velocity target rounds. It’s a pretty good bet that it was designed for 230 grain bullets at standard to +P high-velocities and will function best with those.
Another talking pinhead just referred to his “high-powered shotgun.” Which was a Remington 870, the best selling shotgun in the history of the world. Which makes me want to beat said pinhead about the head and neck with one, as a demonstration of its awesome high power.
Which was a Remington 870, the best selling shotgun in the history of the world.
Mine’s freshly updated. A receiver is the 3 1/2″ Express Mag, but the 20″ open-bore bbl I added only chambers 3″ shells. I still have to add the magazine tube extender, which means a bit of Dremel work on the existing tube. Maybe today, whilst I’m resting.
Given that the only way to control the number of rounds someone can possess is to track all purchases and uses, I conclude that some of our friends on the lefy have just that in mind.
That’s the way they do it over here, Slart. I am allowed to purchase 100 rounds at a time (either complete, or bullets for reloading), and hold a maximum of 250. Unless I load FMJ, which I can buy unlimited and not have on certificate. Because it doesn’t hurt, or something. Shotgun ammo is also unlimited, possibly for the same reason.
That was awesome! But as an aside, who the fuck tries to knock off an internet cafe?
They should check the old guy for a bashed-in head, black eyes, and a broken nose.
And if present, then try him for (attempted) murder.
lmao
Seems to me Sipsey Street has taken a reasonable lesson from the Aurora shootings: Lesson of Colorado: Ignore Victim Disarmament Zones and pack concealed anyway.
I’ve heard of people doing that, sdferr. I might even know one of them personally.
I’ve never heard or even thought of such a thing. <hyperventilates>
Piss off, indeed. And also to the entirety of today’s New York Times, from Roger Ebert to Charles M. Blow.
Now I’m thinking, not not.
Here’s well known gun expert Ebert’s NYT op-ed.
And another expert publication weighs in with this incite-ful piece.
As soon as you see the term “assault rifle”, it is a fair assumption you can discount the author as an ignoramus, geoff.
If I see “assualt rifle” in an op-ed, I generally stop reading.
The old guy was incredible. Smoothly pushed his chair back when the bad guy had his back turned, charged the bad guy while shooting.
Not only that, the old guy did a better job shooting than most LEO’s, at least 2 out of perhaps 5 shots fired found their target.
Perhaps it’s neither Here, nor There . . . but I have found myself musing on the case of John Brown, the Abolitionist Crusader and killer.
We may have in this James Holmes just such another self-chosen megalomaniacal martyr in the present instance in this respect: it is possible he may be a cold-blooded murderer whose infernal object (which he thinks to induce) is to rid our society of firearms — firearms of all types — by means of misusing precisely those objects to achieve his aims. Just an uncomfortable thought — and one for which I have no evidence at all.
Dear Mr. Ebert, as your recent, unpopular, sophomoric diatribe about how video games can’t be art should have reminded you, it would be best for all concerned if you were to kindly shut the fuck up when not telling us what movies you like and don’t like as that is your soul area of expertise and interest to the public. No one desires or values your ignorant leftist toady perspective on public safety policy or constitutional law. Nor should they. You are not remotely bright enough to be a significant influence in such things merely because a massacre happened at the movies and you review movies. That is why you are in the rather harmless and simple business of critiquing entertainment media as a matter of offering some measure of “take it or leave it” consumer advice.
In case you hadn’t noticed, massacres are already illegal. Please note that guns were already forbidden legally on the premises. Note that cocaine, heroine, marijuana, and other drugs are similarly legally forbidden. And yet they are easy to find an represent a huge business the profits of which easily sustain the activity despite law after law forbidding it. Likewise prohibition did not end drinking and helped to found a criminal empire.
Your muddle headed view that we need more and harsher laws to prevent already illegal acts, in the face of overwhelming evidence that bans don’t actually stop possession or trafficking of a restricted commodity, is positively childlike. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will NOT take them away from those who ignore the law anymore than a law forbidding murder or possession of weapons at a movie theater prevented those criminal acts.
Such an idiotic point of view must be founded in a stubborn denial of reality and a desire to see life work in some pastoral cosmic harmony as is often found in juvenile fiction. Everything has a place and a purpose and prudence is always rewarded and people are nice to you if you are nice to them. These rules do not apply so perfectly in real life nor does real life pander to your sensibilities. That is why your intuitive outrage on this issue cannot be taken seriously as a guide for future action that will negatively impact honest law abiding people’s lives. You cannot put a genie back into its bottle and return to life as it was before it came out. Life is not a movie, Mr. Ebert, and that’s why your stuffed up opinion of it how it ought to work does NOT matter.
You’re on to something, sdferr. I’ve been nibbling around the edges of that thought, as well.
My takeaway from the whole incident is the country doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a problem with the way it deals with the mentally disturbed.
When was it? Fifteen , twenty years ago, they closed the mental institutions and let the people out with instructions to take their meds?
Yeah, right.
When they call up the mom and she’s totally unsurprised, you know there needs to be a different approach to the psychotics among us.
Unfortunately, that isn’t the discussion. It’s Chris Hanson breathlessly telling us the shooter bought 6 THOUSAND rounds of ammunition…OFF THE INTERNET!
Best stock up people, they know they can’t collect 100, 000,000 guns from the people, but they can make it very hard to get ammo. I’m convinced that’s their next strategy.
In the mean time, expect more bone headed government policies that cause more problems requiring more government policies that, coincidentally, always seem to restrict the rights of the individual for social justice. Funny how that works…
I was considering that myself sdferr, leigh. Something like I’d rather be tried by 12 rather than carried by 6.
It was about 40 years ago. Courtesy of cost-cutting measures and do-gooders meeting up and agreeing on something for once.
The problems of the mentally ill are myriad, as we all know, not the least of which is that you, me, your hypothetical crazy uncle and my hypothetical lecherous cousin, all have the right to be mentally ill. That’s right folks. If you don’t want to take your meds, that’s just the way it is and we all have to deal with it. Most mental hospitals have been shuttered and the patients parceled out to live in group homes often without the knowledge of the neighbors.
Got that right, mv.
Not to mention our homeless population.
Are you sure? It doesn’t seem that long ago. I don’t have a clear memory, but it seems like the mid to late 80’s.
“Best stock up people, they know they can’t collect 100, 000,000 guns from the people, but they can make it very hard to get ammo. I’m convinced that’s their next strategy.”
That was whole intent of the idiotic 1982 teflon “cop-killer” bullet scare. Most ammo uses teflon to save wear on gun barrels. The press tried to confuse the common use of teflon as a lubricant with rare solid-cored armor penetrating rounds that were not legally sold to the civilian public anyway(as of 1986).
The obvious intent was to have an excuse to “accidently” block virtually ALL ammo sales pending some highly regulated non-teflon bullets going on the market in limited amounts as an expensive and hard to find “replacement” and the plan had to be able pass muster with the ignorant easily scared to hysteria types. So that’s exactly what the press tried to help them do.
They tried raising similar scares with hollow points and semi-jackets (which are pretty much just hollow points) and other (usually low velocity) rounds that try to maximize disruption.
IIRC is wasn’t just the teflon coated rounds as it was outlawing any ammo that could penetrate a [so called] “bullet proof vest” and could be fired in a “handgun”which would have eliminated almost all common rifle ammo as there were various single shot hunting “handguns” which used or could use rifle ammo.
They weren’t just including teflon coated rounds but teflon SPRAY COATED rounds. Which is MOST ROUNDS manufactured.
And yeah they did not try to keep rifle rounds (which also use teflon) separate. It was just bullet ammo in general that was the target.
They tried to imply that teflon coating was a new thing that existed JUST to make nay handgun bullets able to penetrate kevlar/aramid vests. It was bunk. But it almost worked.
geoff and palaeo, meanwhile the ATF has banned some “green” ammo (solid copper “safe for mother Gaia” projectiles) because the ammo tends to be armor piercing.
Oops.
btw, just bought one of these: http://www.kilwell.co.nz/CZ/CZ_512.html
Sweet little .22. Can hardly wait to pick it up from the gun shop.
Stupid waiting period.
Yes. But my fear is of who gets to decide who’s a psychotic. This is a real problem, and I have no idea how it ought to be solved, aside from that the family ought to be involved. Your peeps know if you’re crazy.
If I had the cash laying around, I’d do that right now.
Are you sure? It doesn’t seem that long ago. I don’t have a clear memory, but it seems like the mid to late 80?s.
Yes. At least that was the case in California and was one of the raps the Left liked to hang on RWR when he was governor. And you are correct that a tremendous number of persons who are homeless have mental illnesses and substance abuse issues to go with them. Most of them are just pathetic human beings who are in need of a safety net that is no longer there. Every once in a while one of them will tip over the edge and you’ll get a guy like the Sacramento Vampire who was buying rabbits at the pet store and drinking their blood until he decided he needed to kill actual people and drink their blood. He killed a pregnant woman and stole and killed an infant before he was caught. Ironically, he od’d on his meds in jail and died.
There are many more, but I’ll spare you.
I think you may be thinking of John Hinkley gunning down RWR in 1980 as your starting point, Lee. I believe that is when most people started taking notice of the mumbling winos in the doorways and on the steam grates.
Gun show this afternoon. Found an FNP 45 Tac. And brought it home. Now I’m broke.
Awesome. Not the broke part, of course.
Meanwhile, in the people’s state of CA, I have to wait to pick up a .22 rifle.
Congrats on the purchase, Jeff.
Poor but happy isn’t a bad way to go through life! But now you’ll need a small business loan to buy ammo. I recommend Federal Hydra-shoks. Spendy, but that’s what the FBI uses to get their man.
Oh, and you’ll need practice ammo. This stuff isn’t bad — cheaper than a lot of FMJ ammo — and while it’s not premium, it’s a good way to lay in a goodly supply of jacketed hollowpoints in case the zombies show up before you can stock up on the good stuff.
Reloaders are available on eBay, Jeff. Think of it as a useful tool and a way to spend quality time with the boys. Tanner can watch from his swing for now. Slinging a tiny toy revolver, of course.
And several spare mags. I trust they’re not cheap for such a fine piece of ordnance….
Nope, they’re not. But you’ll want at least two extras besides the one in the gun.
Good gun leather — too idiosyncratic to make a recommendation (I didn’t like any of ’em so I make my own) — and cleaning supplies. Hoppe’s #9, a rod, a tooth brush, some pipe cleaners, patches and rags should do for cleaning. Let the solvent do the work and avoid a lot of scrubbing. Then there’s lubricant. Go with the manufacturer’s recommendations but know that autos must be properly cleaned and lubed to function. If the manufacturer doesn’t recommend anything try Shooter’s Choice FP-10. Slicker than snake snot.
Whatever you do keep your mags and your breach face dry and clear of any cleaners or lubes. Some of that stuff will seep around primers and render your rounds inert. that’s a bad thing.
As a traditionalist I’m bound to scoff — SCOFF!! — at anything not designed by Saint Browning. On the other hand FN makes some of the finest weapons in the world. Keep it clean and properly lubed, and find ammo it likes — some guns are finicky, try a few different loads if need be — and I’m thinking you’ll be happy with it.
If it were me I’d stick to loads with 230 grain bullets making at least 850 fps to start. Since you brought this up I’ve read a few bad reviews on the FNP and they all seem to stem from using lighter weight bullets in high-velocity rounds and light-weight bullet low-velocity target rounds. It’s a pretty good bet that it was designed for 230 grain bullets at standard to +P high-velocities and will function best with those.
Is there a difference between MSNBC commentary and our average internet trolls? Not much.
I am looking for one of them AK-15 Gluck Shotguns with the 100 round clip.
Make sure you get the “Hello Kitty” model as that is so non-threatening.
I want one with a frickin’ laser beam.
Another talking pinhead just referred to his “high-powered shotgun.” Which was a Remington 870, the best selling shotgun in the history of the world. Which makes me want to beat said pinhead about the head and neck with one, as a demonstration of its awesome high power.
What they think he was shooting.
What he was actually shooting. That one’s a Glock. It says so right on the hat.
They’re half as spendy here.
I recommend the round and the seller.
Mine’s freshly updated. A receiver is the 3 1/2″ Express Mag, but the 20″ open-bore bbl I added only chambers 3″ shells. I still have to add the magazine tube extender, which means a bit of Dremel work on the existing tube. Maybe today, whilst I’m resting.
Given that the only way to control the number of rounds someone can possess is to track all purchases and uses, I conclude that some of our friends on the lefy have just that in mind.
That’s the way they do it over here, Slart. I am allowed to purchase 100 rounds at a time (either complete, or bullets for reloading), and hold a maximum of 250. Unless I load FMJ, which I can buy unlimited and not have on certificate. Because it doesn’t hurt, or something. Shotgun ammo is also unlimited, possibly for the same reason.
“I am looking for one of them AK-15 Gluck Shotguns with the 100 round clip.”
That’s too bad B. Moe because I hear that Uzi don’t make them no more. They ran out of lasers or something.
I saw a 100-round magazine for the M1-A today. I cannot imagine actually using it.
100 rounds of 7.62×51 is not light, and the gun already weighs over 9 lbs.
Those movies featuring guys lifting their rifles as if they were barbells starts to make sense, of a sudden.
The video has been removed. : (