Ron Paul not sure what to think, secretly blames Jews and the Fed.
Me, I don’t have Paul’s problem: just tell all the proceduralists and faux-constituionalists pretending to find fault with the killing of a traitorous ex-pat waging war against the US that this dude — and not the poor misguided American robbed of his due process protections and Miranda warnings — was the primary target.
And that the poor American vacationing in the al Qaeda camps of the Arabian Peninsula was simply collateral damage.
Oops!
Oh. And somebody make sure to retrieve his body and give him a burial at Arlington, complete with flag draped coffin. To show that you are serious about the Constitution.
As well as pretending that it’s some kind of precedent. Isoroku Yamato, might be debating that with Corey Haim right now.
And Yamamoto of course.
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Not sure what I think on this one. Like it or not the guy was a US citizen and this sort of sets a negative precedent. I think in this guys case if he was worth a 100,000 dollar missile he was also worth a plane ticket for a couple of CIA guys to Yemen to see if they could ferret him out first.
I mean this really seems to me that Obama is playing conservatives like a fiddle for old fashioned blood lust.
Yeah, I change my mind I am sure. This should have been handled differently.
Also, if GW would have done this the howling and moaning and calls for impeachment would have been endless. You see? Why aren’t you willing to do the same with Obama? He is a far bigger threat (right now) to this country than any Islamist could ever hope to be.
Unfortunately, it appears bomb-maker Ibrahim al-Asiri may not have been among the dead. No hat trick, damnit.
Ah well, there’s still hope they won’t figure out the meaning of the old saw *don’t bunch up!*.
“I mean this really seems to me that Obama is playing conservatives like a fiddle for old fashioned blood lust.”
dead jihadi every 3 months now til 2012. go rahm.
nov 2012 i pickled
And then what? Rendition? Why, that would be unconstitutional.
The only way to win this game is not to play.
Related thoughts from Ric.
For myself, I suppose I don’t even understand the objection to this action. I mean that honestly. I’m not saying it’s without merit or stupid, I don’t really grasp what it is.
Explosive underwear, when Tucks and Preparation H are just not cutting it anymore.
I don’t get it either, bh. Dude was an enemy combatant, ergo, a legitimate target.
Posted this at Ric’s place.
“There was a story about targeted assassinations in a long ago Jerry Pournelle anthology. Book named “Survival of Freedom”, story called “Swiss Movement” by Eric Vinicoff and Marcia Martin. It was also in the June 1975 Analog.”
PROVE IT!!!
Can’t do that without a trial, can ya? Gotcha!
The only way to win is not to play.
#5
No. See. You fuck around actively seeking to murder your own countrymen and foreign peoples who happen not to the flavor you prefer so you’re gonna get bitchslapped hard one way or the other.
Look at it this way. You’ve been riding that Harley for a couple of years and even had to lay it down a couple of times and now you’re feel like the shit and you take that corner a little too wide and the front gets caught in the seam and you go over the high side like you were launched from a trebuchet and now you’re in the underbrush all bleeding and broken and no helmet and you can’t feel your feet. You know what?
You got nobody to blame but your own stupid self.
I admit that I like it when al Qaeda get killed. Not that I thrill in blowing them up (although I honestly do not care how they are dispatched) I just recognize it as something that has to be done. If we capture them it is inhumane and cruel (according to Sullivan and others). It is more humane to just put them out of their misery quickly. They are like mad dogs that have to be put down.
What is interesting is I do not here many on the left calling Obama on this.
They did it wrong. They should have captured him alive, then put him in a airport security scanner and left him there until he cooked from the inside out like a chicken breast in a microwave. But I guess blowing him up is OK too. This is the only part of this cynical shit’s tenure that I can stomach, and I know he has nothing to do with it except to thumbs up or thumbs down when the guy briefs him before golf in the morning. Like Claudius Ceasar.
… and when you wage war against America, even as a US citizen, expect to be killed by military action or be subject to military justice… unless Clinton is in the White House, or W. One because of a stupid, pie in the sky legal theory, the other because of a pantload of cynical bastards playing politics with the lives of loyal American citizens, both civilian and military.
Due Process….hard to give “process” when you are dealing with someone openly levying war on the United States from the Arabian Peninsula. He wanted due process, he could have gone to the nearest US diplomatic facility and said “here I am, give me a lawyer and then take me to trial”. It’s not like this guy didn’t know he was a target.
To paraphrase Col. Kirby (own his uniform! here) “Out there, due process is a hellfire missle.”
Seriously, shoot traitors and hang pirates. Worked to keep things relatively in check for a couple hundred years. If I were President, I’d get the New Jersey out of mothballs, re-fit that fucker with a reactor and whatever new Phalanx system they got cooking, a shit ton of cruise missiles, piles of drones and one of those SEAL mini subs, stick it in the middle of a small battle group. I’d get one of those giant US flags from a car dealership and fly it from the tallest mast and sail that fucker around the world, laying a salute from those 16-inchers every time it entered port. At the end of the tour, station that bad boy in the Gulf of Guinea and on the news of the next pirate attack, shell the shit out of the harbor they came from. I reckon, three or four trips around Africa, two or three stops in Indonesia and the Philippines and one or two rubber boats full of pirates in the gibbet outside Camp Lemonnier and problem solved.
To my satisfaction anyway.
My only worry is the same ones executing terrorists abroad with hellfire are the ones calling TEA Party people terrorists.
Where’s the fuckin due process for the people this shitheel is responsible for killing? They didn’t get a trial.
The guy chose his path. Death is where it got him. No tears. No cheers. On to the next asshole.
A few questions:
Who was going to serve the warrant over there? Seriously, what local authority was going to arrest and extradite this guy for trial in the USA?
No one was going to do that for us? Alright, then we’ll send our own people in to find him, serve the warrant, arrest him, and get him out.
Of course, to do that in Yemen would mean that we would need to send a lot of people to make sure that the warrant was served, the arrest was made, and the arrestee and the arresting officers got out. That would mean we’d have to send in teh military to make sure – and that leads us right back to our original problem.
So here’s a solution – we treat him just like we treated American citizens who became pirates in the 19th century – we send the military after him and when we find him we kill him and his pals.
This is Kipling’s World, this is how it happened before, happens now, and will happen later.
Let’s flesh out the “get him out” part. Extradition? Nope, no treaty. What does that leave? Rendition. Right out of the gate, the “arrest” is invalid in court.