[November 26 update: Mr Shannon has now taken to paying freelance SEO reps to try to bury posts such as this, or sites such as this one that exposes Scientific Wrestling — and Shannon, in particular — for the kind of organization it is.]
[note: this post has to do with a battle within the submission grappling community. If you have no interest in the subject, just skip the post. Do realize however that part of what I’ve witnessed happening during the battle dovetails rather nicely with many of this site’s themes, as I noted here. For background, see here.]
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Among his other claims (he’s self-described as a “renowned polymath,” an “autodidact,” “acclaimed author,” “inventor,” “historian,” “professional wrestler,” “financial engineer,” “expertise acquisitioner,” “mental self-defense trainer,” “Human Rights Investigator,” general “investigator,” “philanthropist,” political activist, “coach” — be it of Krav Maga, catch wrestling, Shamrock Submission wrestling, Crossfit, kettlebell lifting, SHOCKknife safety, etc.– “physical culturalist,” and “entrepreneur”), Jake Shannon is, by his own boastings, a “Master hypnotist,” a man who can help you lose weight, quit smoking, increase your sexual pleasures, and hone such mental processes as meta-cognition, critical thinking, mnemonics, and likely a number of other academic buzz phrases that he might one day think of that sound super smart, scientific, and impressive. As his ad copy (now appearing under “mental self defense,” because presumably its earlier phrasing, “scientific mind control,” sounded just a bit too creepy) warns: “Politicians, Scam Artists, Manipulators, Etc. – BEWARE”.
Oh. And should you wish to do away with the middle man, he can also teach you hypnosis.
So I decided to check into some of his claims, just as he has always counseled us to do should we wish to follow his lead as a natural skeptic and “critical thinker.” Here’s what my team of experts has come up with so far on his Master hypnotist training and credentials:
7. Where did you get your training in hypnotism and are you certified by any organization?
I am an auto-didact mostly. I had dabbled in hypnosis since being introduced to visualization as a teenage oncology patient but I didn’t begin serious, deliberate study until a few years later in 1993. By 1997 I was creating mischief and adventure for myself with hypnotism every single day in San Francisco and Los Angeles.
However, I did finally get certified by the International Association of Professional Conversational Hypnotists once I decided to begin a practice. As a prank, I didn’t tell the others at the certification about my past experience with hypnosis so they were all quite amazed when I was fully hypnotizing strangers later that night at the bar after just day one. A creative hypnotist with a sense of humor can be quite fun.
The International Association’s web-site is right here.
Jake’s not listed – in fact, there are only two IACwhatever’s listed.
Here’s a copy of a sample certificate – suitable for framing. Which, hey, that looks kinda familiar!
The name at the bottom of the certificate, “Andrew Murphy/President IAPCH,” doesn’t turn up in a Google search. And, the “contact us” information leads one to look at a site called “getquicksupport.com” … a quick tour to there shows a label — ‘Street Hypnosis’ and an inactive site.
So, our friend Jake’s sole claimed credential for his medical-ish hypnotherapy practice appears to be … well, let’s just say dubious.
— Though it does seem to have served as a potential model for Jake’s own Scientific Wrestling certification system: IAPCH, like Scientific Wrestling, also has an open book test for its lower levels of membership.
Jake Shannon claims as one of his personal strengths what he calls “Expertise Acquisition”:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:M6ozztXHYQoJ:twitter.com/scientificmind+%22jake+shannon%22+expertise&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a rel=”nofollow”
* Name Jake Shannon
* Web http://www.scient...
* Bio Hypnosis, Meta-Cognition, Mnemonics, and Expertise Acquisition.
In the case of his hypnotherapy training, he seems to have acquired his “expertise” in the same way he often does: he essentially buys a certificate and then play acts.
As one of my team of INVESTIGATORS remarked in his field notes, we really should “find out if [..] Master Jake […] is in compliance with Utah’s medical community oversight agency with regard to his claims of being able to use hypnosis for smoking cessation and weight control. Those seem, to me, to be medical claims. I’m okay with ‘hypnotize yourself to be a better you’ crap-o-la, but medical stuff is medical stuff. And Jake’s public statements about his concern should a patient have an ‘abreaction’ to his tender hypnosis administrations leaves me worried … for the children.”
Good points. Though I don’t know if one really needs to worry. After all, if someone has a bad reaction, I’m sure Jake can refer them to a skilled mind control expert who will nurture them back to strong mental health…
Or hell, just have them fix themselves. All it takes is a little bit of work…
And don’t forget to upgrade!
[cross-posted here]
Jake Shannon, master at hypnofeminization. If it worked for him it will work for you.
To see the master at work: Jake Shannon shows his moves.
Just from that one frame on the YouTube preview, I can safely say that I could do better calligraphy with a Magic Marker and a string. In my experience, the quality of lettering on credential certificates tend proportionally with the quality of the credential itself.
WTF?
What appears to be the relevant statutory language, here.
The areas that Jake claims to help with under “Services”, here.
I’d say migraines, back issues and allergies are “a medical, psychological, or dental condition defined in generally recognized diagnostic and statistical manuals of medical, psychological, or dental disorders”.
Hmmmm.
I just linked it in the post, but here’s a video of some Hindu exercises — one of which is a guy swinging one of Jake’s inventions long before he invented the thing!
Which can only mean one thing: up next? Scientific Time Travel.
before Jake gets his autodidactic self into a tizzy … my part of this investigation consisted of “oh, Jake said this … I wonder … ” click- click -click “oh …”
for those that think this is somehow all JeffG inspired or Jeffg directed — it’s not — I’ll point to my previous investigatory work:
My comment re: Gleen Greenwald’s resume-padding which subsequently provided the info/analysis to lead to the sock-puppet bell being hung around Greenwald. That sock-puppetry and IP tracing and such was done by other people. My part, as such, was to point out inconsistencies in Greenwald’s tale and simply Google basic info while remembering the context in which that info was presented.
Not that being identified as a sock-puppet douche slowed Greenwald down.
So, don’t worry. If past is precedent, in two years time Jake Shannon will be the fitness and autodidact guru for Slate magazine.
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This is how you earn that certificate.
Just to flesh out my comment above:
You can all see the ellipses so click on this link to see it all.
Based on that, and with Jake’s claims to use hypnosis for migraines, back issues and allergies, I’d say there is some questions as to whether or not Jake is in compliance with Utah state law.
is=are, above
That said – when I saw the tape, my first thought was “Given the douche-tasticness of Jake, I wonder if Nicole is one of Jake’s pin-ups?”
She’s not.
Nicole’s a former Miss Teen Utah (2001}, was in a coma due to a GHB overdose in 1999, and is a professional musician/motivational speaker with an interest in pet shelter animals.
Which may be how she came to know about Jake
But, whatever, there’s no reason to question the statement she made.
… unless she was hypnotized while giving that speech.
Hmmmmmmm, after checking it seems Nicole’s blink rate was off by an average of 7 blinks per minute.
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heh.
Wow, geoffb.
I loved this blurb from the link:
Servers Are 100% Secure Using 256 Bit Encryption
Wow! I’m sold now! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been ripped off by people using servers with 128 Bit Encryption, but 256 Bit??!!!?? They’ve GOT to be on the level!!!
Too many unnecessary details are one of the hallmarks of a liar.
btw – Jake’s followers – that twelve minute gap between my posts is how long it took me to view the tape, construct the question, investigate the premise, and report back the findings.
But, then, I’m like an eleventeenth dan Black Belt in Google-fu.
I don’t much care about the statement. I just wanted to get a good close up of the diploma.
agreed – I was doing due-diligence to determine the extent of Jake’s douchetasticness for my own edification.
I taking a bit of Dogbertian approach to all this.
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on the other hand, Jake’s actively working against, and has been, Tony. The libertarian side of me thinks that Jake’s right to extend a fist ends at the tip of Tony’s nose.
Unless Tony can put Jake in a double wrist lock as a result of the attempt.
link:
http://image2.onlineauction.com/auctions//43765/rxyg-1100110-1.jpg
By the way, just to preempt the big reveal, I was married once before in my twenties, and as a result I had to declare bankruptcy while in grad school. That was well over a decade ago, and I’m certain I’ve mentioned both things before.
What else? Oh, I once or twice threatened to slap some dude with my COCK, and on occasion I’ve been known to suggest that if I ever meet up with certain people I’d give them the opportunity to say to me in person what they’ve said to me on the internet.
And no, Mr. Shannon is not one of those people. As it stands now, he’s just some guy who has spent years trying to ruin a friend of mine with internet conjecture, innuendo, and decontextualization. He also uses shills to do much of his dirty work — while he pretends to be everyone’s buddy, keeping his hands clean and his rhetoric temperate.
Once he pulls down his bullshit article on Tony — which has irreparably damaged Tony’s business — I’m happy to leave him be. Cecchine doesn’t even much care about making a living at this anymore. He just wants his name and reputation back. But — and this is in keeping with Tony’s character as I know it — he has NOTHING to do with my looking in to any of this, save that I’ve seen how much he’s been hurt by it, and it rankles me to no end, given this guy’s skill and knowledge.
My own name and reputation are what they are — and opinions on that seem to vary from hack, racist, and internet bullying homophobic misogynist to descriptions that are not quite so miserable, depending on who you ask (and when you ask them).
So meh.
Wait. You’re a divorcee? Well, that changes everything. Good day, sir!
/ the ’50s off
Well, I was. Been with my (now) wife for over a dozen years. Shit happens when you go from bartender to grad student I guess. Change of state, change of lifestyle. People drift.
If only I’d know how to covertly hypnotize…
But enough about me. Who wants to find out what a Human Rights Investigator is and what such a person does?
Here’s how to become one. It fits with quoting Thomas Szasz.
Well, I see a reference to it here but don’t know what new flimsy pretext he’s basing it on.
Oh, from that, we have another occupation to add to the list, investment banker.
Wow, this joker might be the most successful man to ever work at hypno-mesmery in a crappy office park in Salt Lake City.
From the “mission statement”
Holy crap. Well, that’s some damn flimsy pretext right there. Good work, Geoff.
This guy is almost pathological with the BS.
Scientology. Wow.
Oops. Beat me to it, Geoff.
Anybody else want to comment on the tension between this: “No person shall be given psychiatric or psychological treatment against his or her will” (from the CCHR Mental Health Declaration) and this, from the certification pitch used by the group that turned Jake into a Master Hypnotist: “The Advanced Covert Hypnosis Training With The Bonus Covert Group Hypnosis Day”?
I do.
But then, I’m a hack, so I should leave you all to draw your own conclusions.
You out there Brooke Shields? Jake Shannon has his trained eye on you…
What odds that Shannon cobbled this together? It has that what-was-old-is-new-again look to it.
Wow… that Erskin radio thing was too strange. I lasted about two minutes.
Odds? Pretty good.
Matt Furey did the same thing — used Hindu squats and other body weight exercises to put together his Combat Conditioning series. Made him a multi-millionaire.
Jake seems to be following in his footsteps, even as he pretends to be something different.
Nothing wrong with selling this stuff. It’s the “inventor” think that is so bothersome. And the “affiliation” with Karl Gotch he tries to sell people on (just as Furey did).
Follow the bouncing ball…
…boing…
…boing…
…boing…
This has the standard left slant about the evil corporate world but wouldn’t these things, if they were real, work to even greater advantage in politics? Like the fortune teller who can’t seem to win the lotto, they seem stuck at a rather low level of success for such a winning technique.
…boing…
…boing…
My eyes are getting slimy.
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Gotta say, I still like flimflammer best of all.
I guess the thing that really makes it annoying is the template. In that Clifford Mee link you see the same thing as Jake. Some earlier problem/ obstacle/ whatever overcome by the miracle, and now I want to share that secret with you. Bundled, packaged, discounted, shucked, and come back for more. Ignore my imitators. Read the 20,000 word scrolling screeds and see the fragments of what I offer… first one is free kid, and come back for more. Or the price will go up 18 1/2%
Even the wrestling. Create the narrative… interested in something new…. something to center my life…. trying different things… found Catch. WOW! Studied the masters. Humble beginnings among the righteous few (apologies to Tom Wolf) in the grass. Found enlightenment, and now I am the expert. But I want to share this with you. Bundled, packaged, discounted, shucked, and come back for more. Ignore my imitators. Read the 20,000 word scrolling screeds and see the fragments of what I offer… first one is free kid, and come back for more. Or the price will go up 18 1/2%
It is his business model. Always moving. Establishing himself as the guy with the clipboard and others think it is real. Not seeing the façade, and as one tent pole is not strong enough, he must lean another up and say claim it proves he is mightier. Look at all I have pretended to be. With so much bullshit, it has to be true.
…plunk.
From the Wiki piece:
The “scientific” in Scientific Mind Control is the modern day version of Chief Jay Strongbow’s “sleeper hold”: it may be based in fact, but it’s a work.
Shannon has taken the model of pro wrestling and its marks and is using it to market to the world.
Sadly, many in the submission grappling community are scurrying to buy up his wares.
Well, this stuff doesn’t work and it does work.
It doesn’t work as towards its claims but it does work at separating fools from their money.
Obviously, if something like this worked, you’d keep it a secret. If you sell it to others, you’re admitting it doesn’t work.
Like Scientology.
Didn’t Eco write a novel about something like this? Foucault’s Whateveritis?
Better watch yourself, Rich. Or Tom Cruise will come over and kick your ass.
“…separating fools from their money.”
Which is why the pry-bar jumped to mind in association with Financial Engineering. Covert hypnosisized, I have been.
Well, my elaborate prank worked.
I covertly hypno-mesmerized Shannon into becoming a flimflammer. Thus giving us a chance to review the current state of its art.
@sdferr
Or now is that financial mathematics…. according to that Erskine fellow. BTW… who hosts that site? I thought Geocities was taken down? Time travel is possible.
Rich. Can you provide a link?
Comment #21 has the link.
Btw, “financial engineering” is an actual field of study. If any two schools consider it the same thing though, I’d be surprised.
Yes, but the point is, the school that he claims gave him his Masters in said field doesn’t offer it as a concentration.
Oh. Which reminds me. The school still hasn’t written me back about either that or about their unlisted Masters degree in “math,” which in a different published venue I believe is what Shannon claimed he received from GGU.
Oh, yeah, I know. Just stating that because the term sounds quackish but it’s a real thing.
Tom Cruise? That midget would have to climb a ladder to kick my ass. And that is just glib.
I suppose I can begin to expect an unexpected visit from some of his “certified” Colorado catch wrestlers. I doubt he’d send Billy Robinson after me.
At any rate, if anything happens to me, you’ll be able to direct the authorities to the likely genesis.
Meantime, I’ll be on the lookout for guys in tights who look hypnotized.
Just out of curiosity, how long has the terminology been around bh? I wonder whether it followed on the use of engineering in the usage “software engineering” which according to the wiki started around ’68?
Hypnotized autodidacts are a lot like zombies, I am told.
Here‘s where he claims a “master’s degree in math”.
It’s sorta the schools trying to pick up on quant as practiced on the Street, sdferr. Don’t know the likely genesis date as an academic field, maybe mid-90’s?
I’ve never met someone working with those credentials as of yet though.
And, as I stated before, if your program didn’t even have a calc req, you have one curious “quant” credential. I don’t think I took even an undergrad finance/econ class without a calc req.
Of course, I’m quite sure Master Shannon independently developed a theory of fluxions as a toddler.
Wandering mind syndrome results in Psychosexual-Engineering, coming to a campus near ……
oh, wait, campus? Nevermind.
You are all under my hypnotic spell, you are just not aware of it.
I suddenly feel an urge to re-do the backyard in some kind of man-made surface that resembles grass. Can anyone help me?
I have just the answer for you, cranky. Would you like your backyard to look like Yankee Stadium, a football field, or a soccer field?
Would turf work as indoor carpeting?
I don’t know why that just occurred to me.
Yes, bh, though it generally requires permission from your more civilized and beautiful half.
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Incidentally, nothing that I write or turn up is meant to tarnish the legitimacy of Scientific Wrestling as an organization. You all can judge that for yourselves.
But what I hope this does is put into perspective Shannon’s carefully constructed campaign to delegitimize Tony — from the why to the how to when.
It’s all a marketing scheme, and it all sprang from the idea that catch wrestling was a niche market with few competitors that could be readily exploited were one willing to lie about the one person who’d helped bring it to the fore.
I doubt Shannon gave it all that much thought beyond, well, fuck it, if one person gets hurt so that I can get rich, why not?
Finding a niche and filling it is one thing; creating the niche by cyber assassination is quite another.
Ain’t nothing the matter with tarnishing Jake Shannon, known twatwaffle.
Actually, it seems Jake Shannon is hell bent on self-tarnishing.
We’re just noticing it.
Well, in his “revised” version of the “Matt Furey & Tony Cecchine” piece, it’s telling that he refers to Tony as a “brand.”
This is how he thinks. He’s not hurting a person; he’s simply trying to cast doubt on a brand.
In his free market idea, there are no holds barred, evidently.
Darth: Foucault’s Pendulum, and I don’t think it’s quite applicable.
In FP, some editors cobble together a completely fake “occult conspiracy group” to sell books to gullible occultoids, and end up getting royally screwed (ie, dead) for their trouble, as the occultoids refuse to believe it could be fake and will kill to be introduced to the “real hidden masters” or whatever.
In this case, it’s just some douche selling a tired old bill of goods to ordinary suckers, who will move on the to next sack when this one fails as all the previous ones have.
bh
My all-time fav: bloviating mountebank.
(From Tim Blair commenter Richard McEnroe in reference to Al Gore.)
Heh, I like that Spiny. Has a nice ring to it.
Jumpin’ Jake Shannon getting his wrestling on, versus Jay Leno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxz5z8nkU64
In all seriousness, here’s a 6 minute comp tape by a student of Jake’s and Billy Robinson. I don’t know if the techniques are valid or not, or even Catch or not – but it’s a tape of a student showing the stuff he’s learned from Billy and Jake and been practicing with descriptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHOBQpNSBU
Leaving aside the emotions, is the stuff this student showing on tape “valid” CaCC?
Sigivald:
I was kinda thinking you could cast A: Covert Hypnotism as Manutius Press, B: Shannon as Signor Garamond, and C: the “ordinary suckers” as the Diabolicals. I’m seeing this
whole megillah as a way for scads of money to move from C to B via A.
Perhaps Shannon interpreted FP as a business plan. Coz the MacebellTM is like a pendulumy thing.
Fwiw, Jake’s Golden Gate U. diploma is on the wall about 4′ to the right of his Hypnotism certificate. It’s visible in a couple of his hypno videos, but not to the point where I can decipher the type of degree.
I can guarantee you, though, it’s not in “Math”.
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You know a I just wanted to get a good close up of the diploma.
The fact that “Jake Shannon” appears to be boldly hand-written on the diploma in black magic marker is a good sign that it’s legit.
“Expertise Acquisition” sounds like a fancy way of saying “baffle ’em with bullshit.”
Isn’t “Expertise Acquisition” sort of a prerequisite for flim flam artists?
I haven’t had time to look at the video yet, but all the names in the comments are familiar to me from various grappling forums. Yoshiofdeath, eg, went to one seminar and was acting like an expert the very next week.
Oh. My. God.
Oh. My. God.
I think Jeff just dropped something on his foot.
Or Tom Cruise will come over and kick your ass.
Just kick the stool out from under him. That’ll fix ‘im.
BH, I think he went to that special website.
ok I’m curious
I think Jeff just dropped something on his foot.
Probably a macebell.
Oh. My. God.
What possesses someone to put up a video like that?
Which video are you referring to, JG?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHOBQpNSBU
I think the slapfight was my favorite part.
I thought those were Jazz Hands.
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If that’s what they call hand fighting…well, they better damn well have teh mesmerizing mind control chops.
Looked like a slap fight with my little sister.
They were warming up for their Ice Dancing performance.
but, seriously, as a non-CaCC guy I couldn’t tell squatah about that video. As for motive, it was a “here’s the stuff I’m working on” tape with a glitzy front-end, not a commercial product.
Leaving aside the execution of the moves, I was curious whether the material being taught was catch or something catch-like.
Well, it looks like they are submission grappling. I didn’t see much in the way of technique: for instance, a toe hold doesn’t mean “grab the toes and start twisting.” Beyond that, because I couldn’t really see the holds being applied clearly, I can’t critique them. Things like the “Fujiwara Arm Bar,” though, are pro wrestling moves.
I’m confused. Were those guys actually training? Or was it a demo tape?
It was kinda neither really.
Things like “saddle ride with grapevines” or “shin ride” you’ll find in all grappling, usually under a variety of names.
I flagged it as gay porn.
OT: Jeff, this looked interesting. Saw it on Insty.
Gotta give this a try. Get a guy in that position and he’ll help you set it up because all he’ll be thinking is armbar. Cool.
Yeah. Most people will clasp with that Indian grip to avoid the arm bar. Rather than straining to break the grip, just use the arm scissor. Even if they don’t tap from the pain, they’ll usually give you the arm bar.
Thanks Darth.
I may need to hypnotize you all or use the mace ball.
This sounds like a solid prescription.
If only before now someone on the “right” had advocated for such a thing — even on his own side of the fence. Why, we’d probably treat such a person as an important voice, making sure to get his message out.
That is, if it weren’t more better just to marginalize the arrogant fuck.
Nah. I think we’d burn the witch.
You could maybe trade the armadillo in for one of then uppity muskrats ‘feets linked, see if rebranding helps.
I need to recruit some hack / internet bully to step in and resuscitate my brand.
Only problem is, I’m the only guy who fits that description. And I simply can’t go around having myself that way in public.
you don’t need no bully you just blog about for example what our little country is doing on Toyota… when your own little country is the bully then other bullies don’t look so tough I don’t think
and also your brand and the PW brand are separate brands… it’s like Warner Bros and TMZ, kinda…
except different
Came across this in my RSS reader, Jeff.
I say fuck it all, become a pirate and torture Robert Wright to the delight of your mates and as a warning to all the other meaning-raping, cock-breathed progressive whores.
Your brand should be, “Don’t fuck with me. You wouldn’t like me when I’m fucked with.”
Also, fuck.
How long before this Shannon fellow gets on a ‘Spiritual Warrior‘ kick and offers to sell seats in a sweat lodge?
a humble one
fwiw, Jake Shannon submitted a FOIA request to get the report that shows the Rothchilds are actually running The FED.
That was on his twitter feed.
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I shit thee not.
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Also via twitter feed, they just changed pinups for pups into a non profit.
I shit thee not, either.
Okay, I gotta say it… I question the timing.
A for profit that donates 100% of all revenues? That must be Scientific Math Control or something. So, I guess the non profit will donate 125% of proceeds or so. Or, maybe it took them 5 years to figure out how stupid they are.
That is, if it weren’t more better just to marginalize the arrogant fuck.
Just saw that item on Insty’s site. Came over here more than half expecting to see a free standing post linking back with some similar comment as a headline followed by a bit of discourse.
Not to imply that you are in any way unjustified for feeling that way.
All I can add is that my first thought upon reading Instapundit’s link was that I recognize the argument and know darn well who has been making it for many years now. Considering myself to be not particularly exceptional and possibly somewhat representative I doubt I’m the only person who made the connection, in fact I suspect many others did too.
Well, in fairness, Pablo, their only overhead has been getting the pups sick for the pictures, and that just required leaving meat out in the sun for a few days.
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LOL.
There is always the fabulous Hot Air site…for the alternative blog viewer.
Just threw a few bucks your way, Jeff. How soon can I expect to begin ejaculating uncontrollabl…wait…wait…wai…
We’re good.
Depicted like a man in his late 40s.
Only in girth, preconvictions, and cholesterol levels. But credit cards via PayPal do take a day or two, please let me know if my contribution to PW doesn’t clear – email is my username at gmail.com.
In all seriousness, I’m looking for some editing help for the irl side of my l … I can send you the details via email. We can work out pay details and/or whether you would consider bartering your time spent on editing my stuff and my time spent working to develop opportunities for the CaCC stuff you’re spending time on. (I’ll send details, plans via email-I’d also want to have a conference call with you and Tony, I can host it.)
A cross pollination sort of deal.
But not in a ghey way.
Sure. But not just now. I’m down with flu.
Hi, Jeff.
I wish I had two pennies to rub together, but I don’t.
I have many times sent you money, but I just can’t do it right now. I feel like a Negro President, who has no fucking idea what working for a living means. If I have it, you have it. I just DON’T at the moment. Remember, illegal aliens only do jobs that Americans don’t want.
That’s why has my income been cut more than in half? Could it be bexcause these people live thirty to a room in hornets nest?
NAH…
hang in there Mr. Dog… I heard the illegal ones were a lot going home…
Well, Jeff … if you need something to brighten your day, I may have something for you.
I’m not making any claims here, just pointing out facts and the cites to those facts. You are free to draw your own conclusions. But, it seems that Jake Shannon was in a professional wrestling match fighting in Toronto. The match was against Vampiro. And it seems that Jake was wearing a chicken suit while doing so.
Yes. You read that right.
Jake wrestling.
in Toronto.
Against Vampiro.
While wearing a chicken suit.
Jake lost, btw.
to Vampiro.
in Toronto.
circa 2001.
While wearing a chicken suit.
Here’s the data trail.
Jake the Ripper posts on this web board.
http://www.socaluncensored.com/board/member.php3?u=869
Posts this informatoin
Birthday:
July 22, 1973
Biography:
Catch Wrestling exponent, Wrestled main event against Vampiro at Toronto Skydome while touring for Van’s Warped Tour 2001, trained a bit with T2P at Ultimo Dragon’s Gym in Mexico
Location:
Dana Point, CA
Interests:
Professional Wrestling (NOT “sports entertainment”), entrepreneurship, libertarianism
Occupation:
Husband – Father – Entrepreneur – Wrestler
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btw, Jake posts words of encouragement to a kid wiht cancer about his having hodgekin’s at 16 and going through chemo and radiation and mentions visualization as a good technique.
The bit about Vampiro, though, left off the page.
So, who is this “Vampiro” chap and what to make of the Vans 2001 “featured match” bit.
At the Vans Warped tour at the Skydome {ed: Toronto) and people noticed that during Ranicds set Vampiro was on the stage and then he ended up powerboming someone through a table on the stage. Also later on, he was in the ring fighting in the ISW (Incredibly Strange Wrestling). It was sad because he was fighting some guy in a chicken suit and it was a really bad match. Vampiro is the fuckin shit and tore it up and JCW all 3 days in Toledo, i want jcw to go big time, its already the #2 wrestling promotin in the world.
Here’s the contemporaneous journals of Vampiro the Wrestler. I scrolled to get to the 2001 timeframe. You can just search for “Skydome” – the other matches described at the time, and – note – this guy is nothing if not thorough in his descriptions of Vampiro’s accomplishments be they ring or music related. So, I have no reason to doubt that Vampiro wrestled a Man in a Chicken Suit as part of a featured wrestling match, in Toronto, during the Van’s Warped Tour.
Here’s the cite: http://www.milenko500.com/oldnews20022.htm
Apparently, it wasn’t a good match. But, then, this was 2001 and where were the schools that taught you how to wrestle while wearing a chicken suit? H’uh? Where were they? In Chicago with Tony Cecchine? I don’t think so Mister Smarty-pants. Besides, did YOU ever put on a chicken outfit to wrestle? Hmmmm?
Anyway.
Here’s the link for Incredibly Strange Wrestling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incredibly_Strange_Wrestling
During its heyday, Incredibly Strange Wrestling was a featured attraction during many Summer festival tours, including a low-budget U.S. club tour in 1997 headlined by Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, Vans’ Warped Tour in 2001, and the Deconstruction Tour (Europe) in 2003 with NOFX.
Which confirms they were at Van’s Warped Tour
As does this poster:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedtour/3790005770/
which features a wrestling move that Tony C. would.not.dare. attempt and may appear in Jake Shannon’s next self-published book: ‘Splode, No Hold
a quick check of youtube and flickr didn’t turn up a shot of “Man in Chicken Suit v. Vampiro”
But, I think we can say with a degree of certainty that Jake was Chicken to Vampiro’s Peter Griffin
if you’re looking for photo-chopping material, try this:
http://bignadaquasar.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/family-guy-chicken-fight-peter-griffin-vs-giant-chicken.jpg
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The bio blurb above also explains, kinda, Jake’s assertion that he was a “corner man” while in Mexico. Given the subsequent revelations about the details of his “I wrestled the feature match against Vampiro in Toronto … while wearing a chicken suit … and I lost.” I’m not sure what Jake’s being a “corner man” means … did he give instructions … while wearing a chicken suit? Did he just hold the spit bucket … while wearing a chicken suit? I don’t know. And the Mexican wrestling records aren’t that thorough for the time period.
Well, being an autodidact myself, this entire process was kinda fun and was wrapped up quickly – I mean, like in ten minutes, fifteen tops. It took longer to type this than it took to find the info.
But, I mean, damn, how often does a person get to read about wrestling Vampiro and end up in a “Family Guy” episode?
If anything, that makes Jake even more fearsome an adversary. I mean, hell, you could be strolling along past a Pop Eyes chicken stand, not noticing the mascot by the kids and them ~~ WHAM ~~ you’re all locked up with no where to go.
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I was unclear in the above. Jake mentions that he had Hodgkins and went through chemo and radiation and is giving words of encouragement.
Also, I think it’s admirable that Jake would don a chicken suit and wrestle Vampiro, given Vampiro’s ring history until then.
I mean, who among us has not wanted to don a chicken costume and wrestle in front of thousands of people? It’s the American way … even if it takes place in Toronto.
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Besides Incredibly Strange Wrestling, there is a JCW, which is the Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
The JCW does not appear on the Van’s Tour poster. Also, Jake’s name does not appear on the Juggalo roster of employees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Juggalo_Championship_Wrestling_employees
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooo … we’re edging into 90% certainty that Jake was in the Chicken Suit.
Not that the ISW isn’t, you know, legit.
The promotion also presented a “Christians to the Lions” match where a cross-toting, ancient Christian fought a man in a lion suit.
Cool.
The Uncle N.A.M.B.L.A. vs. Lil’ Timmy match pitted a gigantic pedophile against a teenage boy.
Ummm …
Other ISW creations included The Amazing Caltiki, The Ku Klux Klown, El Borracho Gigante, Cletus “The Fetus” Kincaid, The Abortionist, El Asesino Postal, El Fisico Nuclear, R.U.R. 2000, Anarchie, El Hijo de Executivo, Killer Kimera, Harley Racist, Vandal Drummond, La Chingona, The Inbred Abomination, Chango Loco, El Pollo Diablo, Americon Man, Scientology, Macho Sasquatcho, The Mexican Viking, L’Empereur, The Cruiser, and many more (many, but not all, of the names were coined by Johnny Legend).
Well, El Pollo Diablo would seem to be the likeliest candidate for the ISW match with Vampiro. BUT, this could be a “Dread Pirate Robert” deal where the chickensuit is “El Pollo Diablo” and there’s a changing cast of Los Pollos Diablo.
ISW also featured many semi- and pro-wrestlers from the California circuits, and eventually showcased several true-blue Luchadors from Mexico.
I mean, c’mon, I don’t even **know** what a borracho is, but if it’s a gigante one and in the ring with … ummmmm … the Inbred Abomination, I’m so there.
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I’d heard he had something to do with the N.A.M.B.L.A. Kid in a tag team match.
But hey — I don’t begrudge the guy his ability to make a living. If this is what it took, fine.
Why, then, would he not give Tony that same consideration? I mean, if wrestling in a chicken suit — or alongside the NAMBLA Kid — doesn’t teach humility, what on earth will?
Really, you could make a movie out of this.
I focused on the manner in which Jake portrayed his wrestling – in a chicken suit – rather than the meta-question of why Jake wouldn’t give Tony the same consideration that he himself asks.
I don’t know. He may not know.
Maybe Jake’s an opportunistic douchebag.
Maybe he watched “Glengarry Glen Ross” a few too many times.
Maybe, given Jake’s autodidactic prowess and rates of acquiring expertise, he blinked a few too many times while absorbing the teachings of Buddha and thinks that the central tenet of Buddhism is “Every man for himself”
I do know, based on this little exercise, that Jake’s claims cannot be taken at face value.
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BS —
Were you going to send me an email?
O.M.G. NSW?
Well… this was an unexpected turn.
“Grappling community?”
HA! That would be my fiance. She likes sex as much as I do. And that’s going some.
Be jealous…VERY jealous.
So. In 2001, as part of ISW, Jake wrestled in a chicken suit as El Pollo Diablo vs Vampiro in Toronto. He claims.
Is that about the gist of it?
This is interesting: re CCHR, Scientology, and Tax Fraud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC-JPqQU8Mw&feature=related
More on ISW, which sounds kinda fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9sweMUwBs
El Pollo Diablo ran a mailroom at a document delivery company.
Not sure that matches any description of Jake. Is it possible it wasn’t even him in that chicken suit? Or maybe he was a fill-in?
I’ll have to contact this dude and find out.
I was just taking a guess as to the wrestling name used by Jake while he was wearing a chicken suit.
“El Pollo Diablo” was the only poultry themed name in that bunch of ISW names so I took a flyer and guessed. Also, there’s the Dread Pirate Roberts angle to consider, that the name goes with the (chicken) suit with an ever-changing cast of actors playing the part.
Hell. The only thing that seems nailed down is that Jake wrestled a top-billed match against Vampiro in Toronto during the Van’s Tour. The only wrestling Vampiro did during the Van’s Tour was against a Giant Chicken.
ergo …
ergo …
I’d have to say that, given what he had to overcome, Jake’s got a lot of pluck.
on the other hand, Jake’s a total mother-clucker.
Why did Jake cross the road?
He was wearing a chicken suit.
… and so forth.
Bob Calhoun, of ISW, has a blurb up on the scientific wrestling site:
Well, it’s not out of the question that Shannon is claiming to have been in a chicken suit when in fact it may have been the actual El Pollo Diablo, who ran a mail room at around the time of the tour, according to Count Dante, who wrote a book about the ISW.
Which is to say, Shannon may not be telling the truth about playing the “8 Foot Cock from Hell”; I’m going to try to pin down who exactly was in that suit for that bout. Because if you get caught lying about wrestling as a giant chicken, well, there’s not much further you can fall really.
I know a kid who says he can get in touch with somebody who’d know. We’ll see if he gets an answer and gets back to me.
Count Dante = Bob Calhoun, according to the wiki on ISW.
Hep me! Hep me!
I must be hypmotized!
In case any Shannonistas or Burly Tough MMA/Catch Guys end up reading this, the interest for us couch-dwelling types is the “Recursive Douchiness” of Jake.
If you’re not sure what that means, ask Jake.
He claims to be a math guy.
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And, I – as a long time PW commentor – relish the thought of Jeff stepping into the ring and slapping that 8′ cock from hell.
Because of the Reification.
Got tentative confirmation that Shannon was NOT the giant chicken who fought Vampiro.
Sad. Lying on a message board about being the guy in the chicken suit who lost to Vampiro.
And if he’ll lie about something like that…
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