ginormous assfucking. NTTAWWT.
On the plus side, Pelosi can go on her moron holiday.
Warren Bonesteel: You people have no idea of the ginormity of this fucking of ass! Do something!
Warren Bonesteel: All of you who were within sight of Congress with rocket launchers who did nothing are scum!
Parsnip: This ginormous fucking of the collective ass is probably nothing so far compared to what Bush did, if the truth about, y’know, that ever comes out.
Nice bit of boot-licking, ass-sucking propaganda from AFP that article was.
Gawd.
By a coincidence, Porkulus costs less that the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan ears (so far).
So, no worries, right?
Aw, man, don’t worry, remember this is the most transparent administration EVAH. We have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
Hahaha, parsi, you’re a mentally retarded sort of idiot, aren’t you? Hahahahaha!
Now that Baracky knows he has the postmenopausal lobsterpot bimbos and droopy diseased Arlen in his dirty socialist Chicago street trash coalition he’ll go Full Hugo I think. Mr. Soros’s stumpy little dick has never been so hard.
Warren and Parsnip, tools, and poor ones at that. Focus your energies to the real despots who came up with the porkulus.
John Boehner** h/t Insty.
Righteous.
STFU, parsnip/sniffles/alphie/monkyboy
Hey, Darnell, could you give me a parsnip?
Jean-Paul Sartre stated ‘man is condemned to be douchey because once thrown into the world he is responsible for every douchey thing that he does.’
Snippy, thor and warren are here for a reason.
On this sad day note that some justice was done. H/T to Patterico.
OK all of you attorneys, riddle me this:
Since the spendulus bill, by one of it’s own intrinsic provosions, required that it be posted on the internet for public approval for 48 hours prior to a vote being taken on its passage, is it somehow illegal or are all of the congressional types who participated in this travesty merely in contempt of themselves..?
Because, you know, we already have nothing but contempt for many of them already…
Seriously though, mull it over and let me know; is this a litigatable matter?
Well, dan,
It’s obvious that for some odd reason you guys think money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan is better spent than money goes to Americans.
Care to share your economic theory?
The only captive who wasn’t transferred to a galley was Mr. Vliet, who had been ferreted out of the bilge, where he had concealed himself. The Dutchman was brought up abovedecks, stripped naked, and tied over a barrel. An African was roundly fucking him now.
* * *
“Yes, Yes,” Jack snapped — hoping that he would not be chained to the same oar as Mr. Foot, who was already becoming a bore. He sighed. “That is one prodigious butt-fucking!” he marveled. “Like something out of the Bible!”
“There’s no butt-fucking in the Good Book!” said the scandalized Mr. Foot.
“Well, how should I know?” Jack said. “Back off! Soon, I’ll be in a place where everyone reads the Bible all the time.”
“Heaven?”
“Does it sound like heaven to you?”
“Well, it appears they are leading me off to a different oar, Jack,” Mr. Foot said. Indeed, a dead man was being cut loose from an oar at the stern, and Mr. Foot was being signaled fo. “So if we never speak again — as seems likely — Godspeed!”
“Godspeed? Godspeed! What kind of thing is that to say to a fucking galley slave? were Jack’s last words, or so he supposed, to Mr. Foot.
Mr. Vliet was being pushed overboard by a couple of Janissaries. Jack heard the splash as he was sitting down on the shit-stained bench where he would row until he died.
— Neal Stephenson, Quicksilver
STFU, parsnip.
Hey, Darnell, could you get me a parsnip?
It’s obvious that for some odd reason you guys think money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan is better spent than money goes to Americans.
Care to share your economic theory?
My guess would be that the theory is based on lifeboat economics. Iraqi on a lifeboat says, “I want to learn how to fish.” Lifeboat fisherman takes time and energy to teach Iraqi how to fish. parsnip on lifeboat says, “Give me some fish.” parsnip is used for bait.
Or, parsnip has a buddy on the lifeboat who can’t fish either, but he has a gun. He says, “Give us all your fish.” Lifeboat fisherman stops fishing and they all die.
You can’t fish parsnip. You’re afraid. You’re going to starve. You should have learned to fish instead of being a moocher all your life. Oh well. No worries, right?
Oliver Knox, bringing teh funny?
In other words alp, the $4.7 trillion debt the Republicans racked up over the last 8 years is somehow not as harmful as the $700 billion stimulus bill the Dems just passed because…(insert magical thinking here).
SBP,
That book sure picks up once you stick with it. Well worth the time. Half-cocked Jack and Eliza are two of my favorite literary characters.
Parsnip,
What exactly in this bill is going to help the economy, and how?
Exactly.
Iraqui knows how to fish and he can also row the boat and all will live. parsnip has his hand out, doesn’t row, all die.
Your way is always more expensive there salt-marsh-mouse.
[…] Dan posts; happyfeet says it best… Now that Baracky knows he has the postmenopausal lobsterpot bimbos and droopy diseased Arlen in his dirty socialist Chicago street trash coalition he’ll go Full Hugo I think. Mr. Soros’s stumpy little dick has never been so hard. […]
Patrick, the stimulus bill is over 1/3 tax cuts.
I thought you guys were for those.
Well, not enough to vote for them, I guess.
I believe Parsnip meant to write that his stomach is over 1/3 semen.
Pitchforks !! http://tinyurl.com/d8xohe
A big bill. Big Bill. Over 1100 pages. Obama has now beaten the 1008 in Bill Clinton’s stuffed full o’ crap “My Life”, and he hasn’t even done a month yet.
Bet he makes more money with it too.
No “abe”
I meant to write, “Enjoy your tax cuts brought to you by President Obama and the Democratic Congress (+3 Republican patriots)!”
Don’t spend it all in one place…spread that wealth around.
Talking about the mentally ill:
“The GOP is borderline autistic in its understanding of the necessary to-and-fro of democratic government. Or rather: its ideological nature prevents it from engaging in the actual tasks of pragmatic government.”
Andrew “The Conservative Soul” Sullivan
Sullivan Says: Respect Mah Authoritah!
Or in Bonesteelese.
P. J. O’Rourke, Parliament of Whores: A Lone Humorist Attempts to Explain the Entire U.S. Government (Grove Press, 2003).
P. J. O’Rourke, Eat the Rich: A Treatise on Economics, 1st ed. (Atlantic Monthly Press, 1999).
Diana Evans, Greasing the Wheels: Using Pork Barrel Projects To Build Majority Coalitions in Congress (Cambridge University Press, 2004).
Dennis Hastert, Tom Daschel, and David Silverberg, Congress for Dummies (For Dummies, 2002).
Mary M. Shaffrey and Melanie Fonder, The Complete Idiot’s Guide to American Government, Second Edition, 2nd ed. (Alpha, 2005).
*singing*
I was born in a dump
my mother died
my daddy got drunk
they Left me here
to die or grow
in the middle of
Baracky Road
thor: I’m probably running from the law in Florida, but if not, Bill Clinton proved Democrats are fiscally responsible, you #^@%$# &@@%$^ &@ %#*($^@^ ReThuGLicanS™!!!.
From the article:
In related news, AP poignantly announced a poignant, follow-on coffee table-sized photojournal soon to poignantly appear at local non-Republican book sellers next to the vanilla coffee syrup that will include saddening yet stirring images of inner city and Chicago devastation paired with strategically placed new stuffed animals sustained during the Bush Regime II™.
Rebuff this measure, AP.
Dan, that one actually makes sense. It’s even actionable, sorta.
IANAL, Bob, but they got together and decided amongst themselves that they really didn’t need to listen to themselves. They also decided that they can do an unconstitutional end run around states rights and separation of powers. Someone ought to sue them. Sanford? Palin? Jindal?
Linky.
Didn’t they also decide that even THEY didn’t need to read the bill because it was – like – really long.
They didn’t have time to do that officially, Carin. Granny McRictusface had a plane to catch.
Doesn’t Granny “Tuna Sweatshop” Pelosi have a private jet?
As Mr. Stark said in Iron Man, what’s the use of having your own plane if it doesn’t leave when you want?
Tax Cuts? What tax cuts? you mean that $13/week tax credit, if you make less than $75,000
Did somebody set up a Koolaid stand at PW?
Maybe they’ve been reading the same shit for two-weeks and don’t need to read it again. Oh wait, the – daaaaaauuey – Bush Bimbaugh meme is that nobody has had time to read the bill, as if any hickoid redumpercan ever read a bill before they voted.
Man, you rethuglidums sure know how to put on a comedy show. When the public wants the ‘tooopid you guys deliver.
Reagan vs. Obama in their own words.
And thor your post above supports this: Jean-Paul Sartre stated ‘man is condemned to be douchey because once thrown into the world he is responsible for every douchey thing that he does.’
snotty, you’re characteristically wrong. Porkulus is just shy of a trillion in partisan, take-it-by-force spending that has to come from somewhere. If it contains 1/3 tax cuts, of some $300,000,000,000 in lost revenue, where’s the loot coming from if the US already runs chronic deficit spending, owing to runaway social entitlements?!
The answer is the future. Porkulus isn’t the better part of a trillion in stimulus. Since it’s borrowed, and since that means interminable new interest (we burn through six million dollars a minute, 24/7 x 365 right now) it’s three trillion in waste and socialising horseshit the Democrat Socialists couldn’t otherwise pass in 30 years — even with most of those years with them in the majority in all their fiscally responsible, constitutional finery.
So let’s get our reality straight, snotty: Your party, in an unconstitutional, executive-driven, populist coup, just passed what is about to become perhaps a few hundred billion dollars in actual street-level funding by paying ten times the amount. And by short-changing the customary and appropriate legislative processes. (Assuming “appropriate” ever occurred to their corruption-addled grey matter, what with scores of them exhibiting any number of ethically-challenged behavior as a matter of course.)
And this they, and you, have the lying audacity to call stimulus. Ten cents on the dollar, with the other ninety going into a lovely combo of enormous inflation and future taxation. Because, you know, the socialist Republicans did it first. Kinda.
Your Socialists just handed the planet another reason to burn their dollars, especially considering that much of it is aimed at funding social programs that wreck the productivity of integral, functional American families. I guess it’s one way to reindustrialize the country, even from under the burden of nearly one hundred trillion dollars in catch-up before we even turn-key the next production company.
The Chinese worker bunks with five other guys in a housing block on a company campus. The Chinese worker isn’t paying down his share of one hundred trillion dollars.
thor,
How come you always seem to know what the Limbaugh or Hannity meme-du-jour is?
I don’t even know these things as well as you do…
As to the “nobody-has-had-time-to-read-it” assertion, that’s been made by several members of congress!
Considering the swollen compromise bill was just put forth on Wednesday, and is 15oo pages long, how could anyone, but Evelyn Wood herself, have thoroughly read it?
There was no meaningful debate, after all…
And, why wasn’t the bill posted on the internet for 48 hrs prior to the vote like they codified in the very same bill?
Now that’s transparancy for you…
So how about that Bill Clinton, thor?
(Glad you made it to a public library in order to rejoin us, btw: The enlightenment is appreciated; restores a certain special element to the goings-on. Keep your collar rolled up and move by night, would be my advice.)
So how about that Bill Clinton, thor? And that fiscal responsibility/balancy-budget/veto pen thing.
Oh, and three trillion dollars, thor. By that reckoning your Democrat Socialists just added, in one afternoon, one third to the 100 year-old federal debt.
Play those evil capitalist markets, do you?
So what thor and parsnip are saying is they like taking it up the poopchute. Democrats are just stupid. Better take that Obama bumber sticker off your cars guys. I see keying and broken tailights in your future.
Are you feigning stupid? The same bill has been batted back and forth for weeks. Nobody needs to re-read the parts they’ve already read, oh wait, rethuglidums don’t have the capacity read, is that what you’re implying?
I’d go along with you there based on the trillions and trillions of debt the fiscally responsible rethuglidums spent while running the economy into the shitter.
I see a backwards B branded into your face and busted nose in your future.
I invest in America. Knock, knock, , hear that, that’s opportunity knocking!
You’re sputtering, thor. How about that ole Bill Clinton, budget-balancer.
You should come to Chicago in April, thor. Bring your quim jokes.
Comment by parsnip on 2/13 @ 11:50 pm #
My theory is that alfie is a retarded marmoset.
Comment by thor on 2/14 @ 9:01 am #
whore, you ignorant slut, there were hand written notes all over the final piece of crap that your idiotic Democrats passed.
Hand fucking written notes, adding a $50 billion here and $25 billion there.
Epic fail, whore, learn it, love it, roll in it like a dog in shit.
“I invest in America.”
Democrats tax and spend, whore, they don’t “invest” in crap.
“Since it’s borrowed, and since that means interminable new interest (we burn through six million dollars a minute, 24/7 x 365 right now) it’s three trillion in waste and socialising horseshit the Democrat Socialists couldn’t otherwise pass in 30 years  even with most of those years with them in the majority in all their fiscally responsible, constitutional finery.”
That graph would be more helpful if it had some more explanation. Since dude cites the CBO, maybe he’s getting his interest costs from there?
“Democrats tax and spend, whore, they don’t “invest†in crap.”
When the south secedes again, are they gonna give back the Tennessee valley authority? How will they listen to Limbaugh then?
Maybe he owns a calculator, meya.
So how about that Bill Clinton, meya? Help thor out.
The TVA?
A 70 year old socialist program the could never match a private enterprise in terms of efficiency is your beau ideal of Federal “investment”?
Thor know what Rush says because Kos/HuffPo tells him. It’s almost like listening to Rush.
I think we, here, should call this the Thorspendulous bill. Since he’s all for it.
“Do you see what happens, Larry, when you fuck an economy in the ass?!” *SMASH*
You should come to SoFlo right now. Bring your board shorts, as is surf board, but leave your wool underwear and those high-water denims at home.
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You’re sputtering, thor.
“thor-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa.”
That’s just sad, Meya. Thor can’t even get his ideological buddies to join his team. Don’t fret, though, Thor. There’s always Nishi.
You’d be an even more useful idiot if you knew why. Ever see sausage made, meya?
Anyone who actually listens to Rushbo is terminally retarded. He’s a self-administered medical test.
For a while there was no matching of private enterprise, you are right.
“For a while”? So … name me one government agency that performs at a higher efficiency than private enterprise.
Anyone who actually listens to Rushbo is terminally retarded. He’s a self-administered medical test.
If you say so, Thor. But, just remember, not even Meya will “own” you. Which, to be honest, raises her in my estimation.
Probably negative interest, meya, what with the Fed going comatose last year and all. So we’ll make money this way. Yahtzee! More fiat-currency Keynesianism, I say!
Yeah, these big numbers impress me: The last time I pointed out the ratio of product to waste made me about as happy as this time, when I pointed out the new and improved ratio of product to waste.
Perspective, meya. It’s what’s never, ever for liberal breakfast.
Jean-Paul Sartre stated ‘man is condemned to be douchey because once thrown into the world he is responsible for every douchey thing that he does.’
Thor, in the words of your spiritual guru Dr. Phil, you have to own your doucheness. Live it, love it, own it. You are a douche and you are damn good at being one.
Should be easy, Carin, as meya now has the nifty visual aid known as ten cents on the dollar.
About that accumulating interest, is meya suggesting we’ll pay down one trillion dollars, which is almost ten percent of the GDP, by Fall? In a forty-year climate of increased deficit spending? The other handy alternative would be negative interest. I hear time stops at the event horizon, too.
You go, meya.
In 1897, troops from the greatest empire the world had ever seen marched down London’s mall for Queen Victoria’s diamond jubilee. Seventy years later, Britain had government health care, a government-owned car industry, and massive government housing, having become a shriveled high-unemployment socialist basket case living off the dwindling cultural capital of its glorious past. In 1945, America emerged from the Second World War as the preeminent power on earth. Seventy years later . . .
Let’s not go there.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTdjMzQ0MTg3MDZkMWM0YWE1MGNiOTZhZTVkN2JhZmY=&w=MQ==
Thurber was too yucky-wiberal for you, seeing as he wrote for the The New Yorker, and seeing as how the The Thurber Carnival is an actual book, books being the devil’s instruments.
You come across as more a O.Henry Soapy-the-hobo type. Do you like comic books as much as Maggie does?
“Just think of all the deaths, the hatreds around me…the treachery…the sewer it adds up to…the monsters…
Oh, you got to be blind and deaf!
You’ll say: but it’s not Journey! It’s your crimes that are killing you. Journey had nothing to do with it. You yourself have been your ruin! your Bagatelles! your abominable lingo! your imaging, clowning villainy! The law’s clutching you, strangling you? Hell, what are you complaining about? You jerk!
[…]
I threw my luck away…in ’36…gave it to the executioner’s wives! the prosecutors! the undertakers! One two three admirable books to cut my throat with! And listen to my groans! I made them a present! I was charitable, that’s all!
The world of intentions amuses me…used to amuse me…not anymore.”
Dems invest in honest hard-working American people, cunt lips. You’d be bad investment. I’ll cede the Repubs that point.
#47
Hah! Oh shit! You DO have Obama bumper stickers on your car! Ha! Fuckin’ loser! Dumbass.
Wow Obama managed to do in 3 weeks what it took Bush 4 years and 2 wars to accomplish. Fuckin spectacular.
Oh, gee, that’s so, so … the Army, the Navy, the Airforce, the postal service, the CDC, the Fed. Reserve (versus our money center banks, obviously), Los Alamos Nat’l labs, the Coast Guard, the National Weather Service, etc… I’m sure there’s so many more. It’s not like it’s hard to outdo AT&T, Citigroup, General Motors, and the rest of the overpaid fuck-ups in the private sector.
Any other stupid fuckin’ knee-jerk cliches you need stomping on, JHo?
Not So Happy Days reported in the NYT Op-ed:
CONGRESS has made a terrible mistake. Amid a rhetorical debate centered on words like “crisis,†“emergency†and “catastrophe,†it acted too fast. While arguments were made about the stimulus bill’s specific components  taxpayer money for condoms, new green cars and golf carts for federal bureaucrats, another round of rebate checks  its more dangerous consequences were overlooked. And now the package threatens a return to the kind of stagflation last seen in the 1970s.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/opinion/14ryan.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
FTFY, tard.
At a loss for the honest factuality needed to present a coherent case repulsing those of his many Internet nemesis — such as such a case might have existed somewhere outside the captivity of his ringing, hollow cranium — thor felt no recourse but to slip again into his characteristic partisan madness.
As thor reached for his tumbler, hoping the careful, calculated motion reminiscent of Hemingway, he considered vague references to unnamed literary reinforcements to be recast as rants against his hated red states. Nervously his other hand unconsciously thumbed a dog-eared copy of Celine: My Time Under the Trepanner’s Steel.
It was a dark and stormy night. Somewhere, in the dark, dank, yawning distance north of his semi-tropical coastal bungalow, thor imagined he heard the reassuring murmurs of the District of Columbia.
“Comment by thor on 2/14 @ 10:33 am #
#Comment by N. O’Brain on 2/14 @ 9:32 am #
“I invest in America.â€Â
Democrats tax and spend, whore, they don’t “invest†in crap.
Dems invest in honest hard-working American people, cunt lips. You’d be bad investment. I’ll cede the Repubs that point.”
Democrats tax honest hard-working American people, you economic illiterate, and transfer it to special interest groups like the teachers union, trial lawyers and government departments.
You make Corky the retard look like a fucking genius, whore.
Now go wipe the obama from your chins.
Any of those guys actually make stuff, jeeneeus?
Only you’d be stupid enough to prove the case against a $1T in new debt so convincingly. Nicely done.
Whatever you say, Walter.
This will come in handy later. Since no one has completely read it, especially with the hand written notes, anything can be added later with another hand written note. It’s the “Living Law” which can be added to the “Living Constitution”.
All of government is now alive. The American people can now be Kevorkianed. They have become a hassle and a menace to the life of the government.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
whore thinks that the [hahahahaaaaa] postal service [HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA] is [BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA] efficient!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!
Oh, my goodness, that is ‘sucked into a black hole and and travelled to our universe via a wormhole from Teh Stooopid Universeâ„¢’ stupid.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
Hey, P’brain, in Crayola sort’a semi-connected logical terms, aren’t taxes supposed to be transferred to government departments, no?
Yes, you are that stupid.
Hope in the change people.
Also, I’m sure that Obama wants to trigger a likely fierce battle with the GOP over the Census power-grab.
It’s almost as if he has had no significant executive experience.
(God, you should read the backpatting articles on CNN today: “Pres. Lightworker works first miracle, gets bill written by his majority party through Congress”)
I’M RICH BIATCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does American Airlines actually make stuff, geneyus?
Wait, is it possible that Walter is FOR large defense spending, being as it’s all so damn efficient?
Can the US become a 100% service-based economy, thor? The Democrats seem to think so.
If the only way out of a “recession” is growth, will accelerating meya’s velocity of money alone do it?
The Republican military torture continued in its nocturnal aspect…
Groping our way through the hump-backed streets of a village without light or face, bent under sacks that weighed more than man, from one unknown barn to another, threatened and yelled at, haggard, with no better prospect than to end in a sea of liquid manure, sickened at the thought that we’d be tortured, duped to the entrails by a gang of vicious lunatic rethuglidums, who had suddenly become incapable of doing anything else than killing and spilling their guts without knowing why.
Whatever you say, Walter..
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Comment by Techie on 2/14 @ 11:16 am #
Whatever you say, Walter..
Whatever you say, Spanky..(.) (were you trying for a ellipses but ran short of endurance?)
Actually, I was avoiding the auto-spam detection, but it’s sweet of you to ask.
Happy Valentine’s Day, Walter.
I’m not a registered Dem or rethuglidum. Please refer back to my consistent arguments for basic industry.
I forgot the the U.S. Mint. They are money. (Ha! ppppppp!) Tehy mayk shtuph to.
Oh, gee, that’s so, so … the Army, the Navy, the Airforce, the postal service, the CDC, the Fed. Reserve (versus our money center banks, obviously), Los Alamos Nat’l labs, the Coast Guard, the National Weather Service, etc… I’m sure there’s so many more. It’s not like it’s hard to outdo AT&T, Citigroup, General Motors, and the rest of the overpaid fuck-ups in the private sector.
General Motors? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me, right? No, no government influence in that… [cough]unions[cough]. You know, those folks who helped get Jenny elected, and kept her in office.
And, our military has enormous amounts of waste. I’m sure anyone in the military would tell you that.
This is an added treat:
The provision, inserted by Senate Democrats over the objections of the Obama administration, is aimed at companies that have received financial bailout funds. It would prohibit cash bonuses and almost all other incentive compensation for the five most senior officers and the 20 highest-paid executives at large companies that receive money under the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/business/economy/14pay.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Porkulus is like a box of chocolates…
And, regarldess. Let’s not ignore the efficiency of small business. Failing business are allowed to fail (my local coffee shop is closing at the end of the month – I like it, but it simply doesn’t have a steady enough busines.) Strong businesses get stronger.
The government never does that. Waste just keeps going down the well.
And Bwaney Fwank wants to make it law of the land for everybody eventually, but I guess one starts with baby steps.
Can’t object too strenuously to it, thought. One that takes the King’s coin must play the tune the King calls.
Snippy, so I guess you don’t care how that may affect tax revenues in places such as NYC.
Regardless, you’re insane to agree that people shouldn’t be compensated based on their performance. Of course, if government workers had the same deal, they’d all go broke.
Better save your sweet talk for Darla, Spanky. Or has Froggy caught that gleam in your eye?
I remember reading about Stagflation during the 70s, and now I get to experience the wonders firsthand:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/opinion/14ryan.html?_r=3&ref=opinion (The propaganda organ of the RNC)
Goody
I’m laughing at your superior intellect.
Um, Carin, can we agree that any company that needs gummint money to stay afloat hasn’t been performing all that well?
Them C.E.O.s just got performance-based salaries imposed on them.
That’s eight lotto tickets a week! FREE! Baracky is very very good to me.
meya, what would you say is the rate of interest on this new debt? And the timeframe? Mind if I take a throw at it? Thanks! Check my math! Thanks! No econ degree here! Thanks!
We currently pay half a trillion dollars a year on the ten trillion dollar national debt. This half a trillion dollars, which is a matter of public record, is easily calculated to be 5% of ten trillion dollars, compounded once annually.
Porkulus at $1,000,000,000,000, also at 5%, factored equally over a decade and compounded annually, gets us interest plus principle of $1,630,000,000,000.
Of course, it’s not factored equally over a decade, rather it’s heavily front end-loaded, helping your case that this is a helluva bargain.
So let’s try Porkulus at $1,000,000,000,000 at 5%, factored simply over a decade after spending two-thirds of it in year one. Interest plus principle, compounded annually, comes to $1,490,000,000,000.
All this assumes that an inherently wasteful government program will, somehow, generate more than it costs. Stimulus!
So you’re right, meya. Assuming that the 2/3 of Porkulus that isn’t tax cuts (cite: snotty, upthread) combines with the approx one-half of this trainwreck that actually makes the productive street instead of spinning it’s wheels off in scores of DC hacks’ offices at union overtime, we’re only spending a dollar for each fifteen or twenty cents we’re getting back and not each dime.
I blame the boomers. They should limit nostalgia trips to Bell-bottoms, lava lamps, BeeGees LPs and hideous earth-toned furniture.
Um, snotty, can we agree that any company that needs inefficient federal currency to stay temporarily afloat in a US economy hamstrung by decades of federal meddling to the point of unrecognizability hasn’t been operating in the freest of markets all that well?
It would prohibit cash bonuses and almost all other incentive compensation….
Can you explain to me how this is a good idea, tuberhead? How the way to get struggling businesses back afloat is to literally take away any incentives for management to improve?
If the NFL said to punish the Detroit Lions for sucking so bad, we are going to cap all coaches salaries at $50k/yr. with no bonuses or incentive money, do you think that would be the way to get that team winning games again?
Let’s not forget the failures of warehousering businessers. They’re inefficient as fuck and suck tax-payers taxes like leaches and blood ticks. 100% reliant on the government to build and repair roads and bridges for ’em trucks. But do they pay their taxes? Nope, they beg liberal school teachers to do all that tax-paying stuff for ’em.
Them C.E.O.s just got performance-based salaries imposed on them.
No dumbass, they just got performance-based salaries prohibited from them.
It would prohibit cash bonuses and almost all other incentive compensation….
Illiterate fool.
No kidding?
So, thor; does the velocity of waste and debt work a lot like the velocity of money? Cause then we’re golden!
Jefferson!
Um, Carin, can we agree that any company that needs gummint money to stay afloat hasn’t been performing all that well?
Them C.E.O.s just got performance-based salaries imposed on them.
No they didn’t . Their future performance now has no bearing on their salary. Until they’ve paid off their debts, right? So, no matter how fucking good they do, they get the same amount of money.
It’s called the carrot and stick, Bmoe. The takeaway part is the stick. Get it, yet? Hold on, then. [Smack!]
Come on thor, cite us a successful dictatorship! And Soviet housing!
100% reliant on the government to build and repair roads and bridges for ‘em trucks. But do they pay their taxes? Nope, they beg liberal school teachers to do all that tax-paying stuff for ‘em.
Right, thor. Over the road truckers don’t pay taxes. You have finally managed to out stupid the tuberhead.
Rock on.
Let’s not forget the failures of warehousering businessers. They’re inefficient as fuck and suck tax-payers taxes like leaches and blood ticks. 100% reliant on the government to build and repair roads and bridges for ‘em trucks. But do they pay their taxes? Nope, they beg liberal school teachers to do all that tax-paying stuff for ‘em.
I laugh and laugh. Because you are truly an idiot. Honestly, that is so wonderfully stupid and ill-informed. BRAVO, sir.
What is he going on with about warehousing? Warehousing is a big business in the town I grew up in and, yes, I do believe that they paid all relevant taxes.
I think you missed this next part, thor. It was a short, terse four minutes ahead of you:
Snark. It has begun. Hoover’s ghost returns.
All right, Trade War!!!!!
Hope AND Change we can all believe in.
How the way to get struggling businesses back afloat is to literally take away any incentives for management to improve?
But the C.E.O.s have been paying themselves bonuses even when their companies have been doing poorly, B Moe.
For example:
New York’s attorney general Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday issued a subpoena to former Merrill Lynch Chief Executive John Thain to testify on the payment of bonuses to executives worth $4 billion.
…
Merrill usually paid these bonuses in late January or February. The timing created controversy given the fact that Merrill Lynch reported an unexpected loss on the fourth quarter of $15.31 billion. Bank of America was pressured to ask for an additional $20 billion in bailout funds from the U.S. government to absorb the debt.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090127/john-thain-bofas-executive-called-testify-bonus-payments.htm
All this means is that if these guys want to rob their shareholders, they can’t get corporate welfare at the same time.
Wonder if thor knows what all those “Weigh Stations” on the interstates are for……..
Free-markets thoirre is a big proponent of JIT manufacturing and speedy, direct fulfillment, Techie. You know, Walmart shipping direct from Guangzhou-Foshan to every retail customer in Kansas by way of the USPS.
From Geezer’s link:
Congress approved protectionist measures in a $787 billion stimulus bill Friday that U.S. trading partners have warned could spark a trade war.
The bill, however, left the Obama administration some room to maneuver to appease other countries who say it will benefit U.S. companies unfairly.
He damn well better wiggle his cute little ass off, he is going to need those foreign donations again in ’12.
Yes, isn’t it wonderful, you freshly-minted convert to spend-yourself-rich trickle down? The really cool part — wait for it — is that competition levels them! Talk about freedom! Talk about Choice™! Talk about Democrats For Constitutionalism™! Budget-Balancin’ Bill Clinton! Tom Jefferson!
I’m having a compulsion to spend all my savings today. In a few months each dollar will be worth less. What should I buy?
The WaPo is already contemplating Stimulus II: Electric Boogaloo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021303319.html?wprss=rss_politics
Presumably, this would occur during or after TARP III, for my best guess.
Mine Budgets!!!
Tampa Bay won the American League and went to the World Series last year.
That can’t be right, they had so little incentive. How dare they! $44-mill total payroll, what!
Don’t we still have the regular Appropriations Bill to do this year as well?
Great Googly Moogely.
Care to explain your “Warehousing” blurt?
GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!!!
Nah, it’s totally right, thiore: They decided to achieve, made the right moves, and pulled it off. All without being subsidized or told what to do. That’s right, imbecile: No unfair advantages and a free “market” of competition. Gah, huh?
They played on a level field and overcame. Damn.
FTFY.
You must be a big fan of I2 and those automated supply chain management systems co.s. Yeah, all sorts of happy customers of that shit. (Bwahappppth)
JIT was originally a Japanese model, seemed to work well for the keiretsus, not as well here.
Getting a little over your head, arent’cha, JHo. I don’t think you can turn to Ron Paul for extremist inventory management theory.
Maesrk!
Now I FTFY.
Oops, Maersk!
I FTFM.
Fuckin’ Danes.
The warehouse comment was a slap at my husband. Who very effeciently runs a warehouse. Who’s business, in a bigger sense, is dependant upon the michigan economy. Which sucks. Thor pretends, though, that if the company doesn’t make it, it is because of whatever his fevered imagination comes up with.
Walmart, thor. It burns, doesn’t it? Humbled by the Red State, you unprecedented fool.
“Comment by Techie on 2/14 @ 11:53 am #
Wonder if thor knows what all those “Weigh Stations†on the interstates are for……..”
No, no he doesn’t.
That’d be because he’s an ignorant fool.
Care to explain why you don’t know trucking companies own trucks and warehousers don’t?
I’m placing you in the top five of dumbassed blowhards on PW. It’s very competitive, but you’ve overcome in the free-market of dumbassery.
But regardless, thor, with collectivism’s impressive track record, and some Celine, there’s nothing but upside to telling folks — telling everybody — what to do. I have it on your considered and level-headed authority.
PelO!bi!
We’re dealing with the razor-sharp mind that made millions on Wall St., and not the icky rethuglidum kind of Wall St. millions either, the good socially-acceptable kind.
Still laughing at that superior intellect.
Be the change thor. Me and you are marching toward the future while these insincere pricks get ground to dust by the my gargantuan political machine. These people are blindly clinging to the failed ideologies of the past. The will never embrace the change like you have.
Thor mind your teeth they are scraping me.
Care to explain why you don’t know the sane making of law, you fetid oppression-trollop?
Is that the one that will be thrown over Liberty’s grave? A big blue tarp.
My husband owns his trucks.
Thor thanks for the Valentines day card. It is very sweet but I am already married. Sorry :(
Tampa Bay won the American League and went to the World Series last year.
That can’t be right, they had so little incentive. How dare they! $44-mill total payroll, what!
Management, thor, not labor, we are discussing management. How did Tampa Bays front office, management and coaching staffs salaries, incentives and bonuses compare with the rest of the league? You will get no argument from me that some of the players at Detroit may need a pay cut.
WalMart is a shit stain in our corporate landscape.
You may remember Hillary sat on their board while having absolutely no expertise in retail or logistics, except that her husband made sure WalMart paid incredibly low state highway taxes, which gave them a big advantage over their competitors. How easily you forget. Greasin’ the wheels of industry, the WallyMart hickbilly way.
And when he uses Central Transport to ship his goods, the fees take into account the taxes that will be paid. Idiot.
Care to explain why you don’t know trucking companies own trucks and warehousers don’t?
Care to explain how you don’t realize the truckers expenses, including taxes, are absorbed by the people who hire them? Keep digging, parsnip roots can go pretty deep I am told.
thor can’t seem to grasp that transport companies might pass along taxes in the fees that they charge.
thor also seems to believe that production will ALWAYS match demand perfectly, so there is no possible need to centrally store and distribute out products as the market changes.
And whats the interest rate used, etc… I know big numbers impress you, but its not like all numbers are equal.
The rates for treasury bills and other government securities ere readily available online, you stupid bint.
Go look them up and put your math skills to work, then tell us if you get a number that’s vastly different. Be sure to show your work.
Moron.
Did thor really praise government efficiency, then dis Wal Mart in the same fucking thread?
thor also seems to believe that production will ALWAYS match demand perfectly
The liberal controls demand.
It’s called rationing.
Gee, with the tax advantages of leasing you’d think a warehouser would go that route, but what would do I know about taxes and business, I voted for Obama and laugh at Wush Wimbaugh.
Also I have been Googling all morning trying to find out the real price of Iraqi and Afghani ears, I can’t believe they are as expensive as parsnip said up at #2, does anybody know what they are going for these days?
…but what would do I know about taxes and business….
Damn little, apparently.
And here we have the crux of thor’s legendary stupidity: Never attribute to unethical or illegal corruption of systems what you can attribute to the system itself. It’s what’s behind the Porkulus, too.
While thor proposes not a thing whatsoever to replace the constitutional America republic of laws, he has every urge to condemn it outright anyway, simply because it doesn’t serve his lily-white pansy-ass’s unique and entirely unstated code of morality.
“WalMart is a shit stain in our corporate landscape.”
One of the most successful corporations in history dismissed as a a “shistain”.
From now on I suggest we call whore ‘skidmark’ in honor of his total, complete and colossal idiocy.
“Comment by JHoward on 2/14 @ 12:38 pm #
except that her husband made sure WalMart paid incredibly low state highway taxes, which gave them a big advantage over their competitors.
And here we have the crux of thor’s legendary stupidity: ”
He’s an asshole with the mind of a 3 year old and the soul of an NKVD torturer.
Gee, with the tax advantages of leasing you’d think a warehouser would go that route, but what would do I know about taxes and business
Actually, he owns half, and leases half. His decisions are based on a cost/benefit analysis mostly involving repair costs. Regarldess, whether he owns or leases the vehicles, he still has to pay his over-the -road taxes, which I believe was your original issue. This is an irrelevant side issue.
Gee, Kid Valentine, how would I know WalMart had a advantage over its competitors by being based in Arkansas if I didn’t know taxes effected the pricing model?
I also know taxes are subtracted from the line item net income before taxes and that gives one net income on a income statement, which you underline twice.
Pretty basic stuff there, Spanky.
“I also know taxes are subtracted from the line item net income before taxes and that gives one net income on a income statement, which you underline twice.”
What in the samhill does that have to do with costs? Are you claiming that every transport company eats the taxes imposed and passes none of the amount on to their customers? In fact, what in the samhill does that sentence even mean?
Comment by thor on 2/14 @ 12:42 pm #
That’s nice whore, now go take your meds and have a nice long nap.
Democrats are trying to breed an entire generation of people like this. This stimulus bill helps that aim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88Il-4nby0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
No, the original issue was that a warehouser wouldn’t pay OTR taxes. Now that you’ve stated your hubby’s business uses commercial vehicles then of course he would pay OTR taxes on those, but that’s a new addendum to your original description of him being a warehouser. And you also must have assumed I didn’t know of leasing’s tax advantages when you first claimed your hubby owned his vehicles.
There’s a big difference in Techie and myself when talking COGS, inventory management and the effect of taxes on net income. I know how to prepare my very own financial statements while Techie’s your typical rethuglidum what’s-that dopehole.
except that her husband made sure WalMart paid incredibly low state highway taxes, which gave them a big advantage over their competitors…
WalMart had a advantage over its competitors by being based in Arkansas if I didn’t know taxes effected the pricing model?
Why are these statements ridiculous, thor? I bolded key word to give you a clue.
You’re still the same drooling sputter-boy whenever I wake up in the morning so I don’t think a nap will change things much.
Ever occurred to you that saying the same line over and over again makes you look even more stupid?
Oh, come now, B Moe. Everybody knows that Arkansas is the only place that has Walmart. All Walmart sales go through that 5,000 lane drive-through right outside of Bentonville.
I also know taxes are subtracted from the line item net income before taxes and that gives one net income on a income statement, which you underline twice.
An interesting assertion. “Line item” sounds technical and all accounty-like, but it is unnecessary. “Net income before taxes” is never “net income”, it is gross income; net income is gross income minus all expenses which include taxes, of course.
“Which you underline twice” is certainly nice, I suppose.
You are baring your silliness.
Sounds like thor has hazy memories of Accounting 101, before those mean ol’ number thingies caused him to switch majors to communication studies.
“Comment by thor on 2/14 @ 1:05 pm #
Ever occurred to you that saying the same
linemindless dribble over and over again makes you look even more stupid?I think I just figured it out.
whor’s posts are the intellectual equivelant of rabbit droppings.
“You are baring your silliness.”
See my #179.
Umm, yes, you may call it gross income if you like, but after subtracting total expenses on an basic income statement it’s called net income before taxes. Maybe you’re confusing gross profit, which is sales minus COGS.
You’re trying a wee too hard, or maybe you haven’t a clue; I can’t decide which.
rabbit droppings
My dog eats those in the yard. Stupid dog, he should be eating intellectual rabbit droppings instead.
You can call it any fucking thing you want, thor. But the expenses, including taxes, of the trucking company get passed on to its customers or they would go out of business. What particular jargon they use on the tax form has jack shit to do with anything, except trying to bullshit your way out of a ridiculously stupid position.
Income statement, not “tax form.”
Look, try not to strut too flamboyantly in dumbassedness, like the last of your hick rethuglidums usually do nowadays. Price is a function of elasticity of demand. If your taxes go up you may or may not be able to pass those increases off, meaning a tax increase can be uniform and all competitors may marginally increase prices in concert to reflect the increase. State taxes often create a non-uniform tax landscape.
It helps to be accurate! (a.k.a. knowing what the fuck you’re talking about.)
Then I say we bag the free enterprise system.
o, the original issue was that a warehouser wouldn’t pay OTR taxes. Now that you’ve stated your hubby’s business uses commercial vehicles then of course he would pay OTR taxes on those, but that’s a new addendum to your original description of him being a warehouser. And you also must have assumed I didn’t know of leasing’s tax advantages when you first claimed your hubby owned his vehicles.
Well, the original ASSumption you made was that somehow my husband was a leach on tax-society because you thought he didn’t pay taxes in support of roads and bridges.
And, I see now you’re trying to back-door the attack on the assumption that he uses leased vehicles for the tax breaks. Sorry, he mainly leases some of his trucks for the repair advantages he’s worked out with the leasing company.
Keep hiding behind the jargon thor, I bet you are impressing the hell out of tuberhead and datadave.
Thor is beginning to sound just a little more whiney every day. Got an Obama bumper sticker on his little Prius, he does. Too funny.
oh please. Baracky’s only begun his dirty socialist money-printing spree. Him won da gotdamn lottery and him’s shoppin and gonna has a dirty socialist party. You gotsta understand, meya. Baracky is a righteous dude to know, you be on his good side. Get yourself in on the redistributey action now is what you wanna do I think. It ain’t over, no sir.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, first your story was your hubby was going to have to layoff employees if the Bush tax-cuts expired (never noticing that they only save someone a couple grand a year if they make over $250K), then your clients couldn’t pay their bills because of Obama, then you wanted all GM employees thrown to the curb, then you didn’t because hubby would suffer if everyone went out of business, then you were rich, then you were poor, then you hubbies owns trucks, then half he owns half and leases half, yada, yada, yada.
If you get your story straight it’ll make it easier to comment on.
The guy who lectures others on their method of travel
oh. I better go turn my thermostat down.
um. You too I think. Remember it’s our sacrifice what makes all of Baracky’s benevolence possible. Do you part.
Yeah right Bmoe, just jargon, all mumbo jumbo, especially when I’m 100% correct while you bitterly cling to what, false jargon?
Man-up once in a while enough to publicly admit “though gentleman-thor voted for Obama, he is correct.” It’d make you look smarter and, who knows, maybe some honest debate might take place.
There’s also the need for products to be fed out to the end retail location. Large companies buy shiploads of goods. They distribute trainloads out to regional distribution centers. Then truckloads go out to the stores.
Oh, and in some cases you have a good that has a low-but-steady demand, but which can be purchased from the manufacturer more cheaply by buying in massive lots. If the bulk savings are larger than the cost of storage — maintenance, property taxes, personnel, wastage — then it would be foolish not to buy in bulk.
Then there are seasonal goods…
“though gentleman-thor voted for Obama, he is correct.â€Â
It’s like the circus, it is. The little bitty clowncar comes to a roaring halt and its enormous cargo of clowns spill out pell mell with their horns and noise makers, sending the croud into paroxysms of laughter. Only this time its democrats telling the graet unwashed how economically astute they are. Give it up shithead you earned your goofy giant shoes and your big red nose. Enjoy the laughter, its all about you.
Obama bumper sticker. Precious.
I swear that the sole thought lefties have about taxes is “HIGHER! HIGHER!”
They just can’t seem to grasp the connection between the taxes imposed on a business and its prices, or the effects of lowering those costs. They have this bizarre concept of profit as being wrong, and believe it’s the government’s role to prevent it.
They’re like mirror universe Puritans: no limits or ill effects are ever to be placed on libertine behavior, but hard work should never, ever be rewarded!
You see, Rusty, we PW regulars have read all the big red nose and floppy red shoe’d, clown-car honk-honk put-downs many times before. If you want to save some white face you’ll confess to yours being nothing more than a lame cut and paste job from some other tired unoriginal clown-car post you read somewhere else.
You’re a dumfock, we know, wittle Wusty, we know that.
from some other tired old put-down.
Show me. Show me, Craw-hick, where the “they” can’t grasp what you’re trying to grasp.
Poor thing, thought he had a grasshopper in his hand.
Yeah, hick, we get it, not only do we get it but we get so much more than your little pearls of cliched hick-wisdom. There’ the razor blade product pricing model and there’s the market share pricing model, there’s the etc, etc… All that shit is elementary B-school, dumbtard. It’s basic petty capitalism, it’s why Jack Daniels costs more than the moonshine at your Kool-Aide stand, taxes, yep, liquor taxes, OK. Quit trying to impress yourself.
Ah, rather than temporarily set down TrollHammer to see what mendacious lies are being tossed out in 199 and 200, I’m going to go attend to something of real importance.
I’ve got a Union army to paint.
Aha, you’ve been sniffing paint, just as I thought.
Parsnip bet on model airplane glue.
Pay up parsnip.
Swiss Cake Rolls are all about market share I think.
hey this is cool. It’s a list. But it is very confusing. How can you have a numbered list in no particular order? That’s very zen. The way of the snack cake is very mysterious I think to the uninitiated.
But these ones are the ones I keep wanting to try. They don’t always have them.
Swiss cake rolls are the only ones on the list worth the calories. I hope I’m not alone in that I occasionally (back when I used to eat them) unrolled them to eat ’em slowely.
In high school, though, I was a HUGE nutty butter fan.
nutter butters are those cookies right? I love peanut butter anything. You are a stronger person than me with your slow-eating of the swiss cake rolls I think.
Nutter butters- oops, “Nutty bars” are those wierd waifer/chocolate/peanut butter things. I was addicted to them and milk for lunch. Every day.
You should try with the slow eating of swiss cake rolls. It’s so worth it.
oh. These are Little Bushie Nutter Bars. They look good.
I don’t get some people’s humor sometimes. I hope they didn’t put a lot of work into that.
sorry. *Nutty* Bars I meant. This gets confuzzling.
Yeah right Bmoe, just jargon, all mumbo jumbo, especially when I’m 100% correct while you bitterly cling to what, false jargon?
No, dude you are not 100% correct. Businesses that don’t pass their expenses on to their customers can’t stay in business. Period. Unless they are being subsidized by a trust fund.
Man-up once in a while enough to publicly admit “though gentleman-thor voted for Obama, he is correct.†It’d make you look smarter and, who knows, maybe some honest debate might take place.
Right back at you, fool.
Nutty bars and Swiss Cake Rolls are really good frozen, by the way.
Hah! But you STILL have the lameass car with the lameass bumper sticker. Have a cake roll , shit-for-brains, and enjoy what you voted in office.
I still don’t see how that point is even arguable. When you buy something, you’re paying for all the costs the seller incurred in bringing it to you, plus a slight amount the seller pockets as profit. Included in those costs are the taxes the business has to pay, whether they’re property taxes, payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, tolls, licensing fees, or whatever.
Denying that makes as much sense as denying that the cost of goods includes salaries for everyone from the CEO down to the clerk.
This talk of snacks has me wanting my favorite. Must stay away from hohos too.
I really like these, too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chocolate_zingers.jpg
But Little Debbie stole my heart long ago.
Say you wanted to make a money at your ancestors family business, Bmoe, meaning, of course, making and selling whiskey moonshine.
You would set down on a tree stump with a piece of cardboard and a pencil and add up your fixed costs – burlap bags, metal pots, funnels, aluminum tubing, Pyrex measuring cup, etc… Then you’d need to figure out your variable costs – yeast, corn, sugar, rye, barley, the cost of getting arrested and paying your bail and fines.
Next comes forecasting. Start wit the variability in your raw materials’s prices, check if prices for winter corn go up and then go down during growing season it goes down. Get quotes for prices enough to make a standard still run, call it 100 gallons, from multiple suppliers, average ’em out, then average out any seasonal adjusting of prices and divide by 100 units. Whatever distance you think a hayseed would drive to purchase your whiskey, drive that radius from your shack and check your competitors moonshine prices and also ask them how long it take’s ’em to sell 100-gallons.
Using the average price of a gallon of your competitors’ shine times 100-gallons you can make yourself a pro-forma COGS statement by subtracting your estimated dollar amount of sales by your fixed and variable cost estimates. This will give you your estimated gross profit.
Now you want to estimate any expenses such as having to pay your Mom to work the counter of your moonshine stand, the cost of bottles and labels, and the expense of giving out free samples, which could be considered a sales and marketing expense. After you subtract these estimates from your gross profit you have your net income before taxes. Paying the moonshine mafia the required extortion money for the right to sell monshine whiskey unhindered would be considered your taxes. Subtract that and you have your estimated net income or net loss. Don’t forget to underline this number twice for the sake of propriety.
Take your net income after taxes and divide it by your estimated sales dollar amount and multiply by 100. This is your estimated net profit margin. A higher profit margin means you have less risk of loss while a lower profit margin means you have a higher risk of a loss and that you’ll have to control your costs more closely.
I don’t think polishing your flag pin and stomping your foot while repeating aloud that “a company will go out of business if it can’t pass its expenses to its customers” will get you a job as a product manager at GE, nor will it help you forecast your costs and estimated needed retail price for a profitable moonshiner business.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, first your story was your hubby was going to have to layoff employees if the Bush tax-cuts expired (never noticing that they only save someone a couple grand a year if they make over $250K), then your clients couldn’t pay their bills because of Obama, then you wanted all GM employees thrown to the curb, then you didn’t because hubby would suffer if everyone went out of business, then you were rich, then you were poor, then you hubbies owns trucks, then half he owns half and leases half, yada, yada, yada.
If you get your story straight it’ll make it easier to comment on.
Heh. See now none of that matters, because the issue was OTR taxes. Between your assumptions and misrepresentations of me and what I say … I can see how you get confused.
Local grocery ad today.
Little Debbie Snack Cakes
5 FOR $6
GREAT MEIJER PRICE
12-16.2 oz. box. Oatmeal Creme Pie, Swiss Rolls, Cosmic or Fudge Brownies or Nutty Bars.
Guess they will be on the shopping list this week.
Oh look. thor is cypherin’. Almost like a grown up. Own the company. make the product. pay the employess.pay the taxes. Do that for four or five years thor and then get back to me. Actually doing it has absoluttely nothing to do with what you learned in econ. class.
So now we know thor doesn’t know shit about making ‘shine either.
My grandfather was a moonshiner, among other things, during the depression and for a time after. The recovery came a lot slower in the hills. He didn’t know any of that shit thor is spewing, only had an eigth grade education but he still made good profit because he did understand price has to cover expenses.
He also had an absolutely perfect term for folks like thor: Educated Idiots.
#220
Corn $.25 a bushel.If you could find a buyer.
Moonshine $8.00 a gallon
Not much of a choice to make.
Everybody in the german neighborhoods in Chicago made beer during the depression. Beer was food.
Comment by Rusty on 2/15 @ 8:12 am #
Oh look. thor is cypherin’. Almost like a grown up. Own the company. make the product. pay the employess.pay the taxes. Do that for four or five years thor and then get back to me. Actually doing it has absoluttely nothing to do with what you learned in econ. class.
Hi, stupid. Given that price is a function of the elasticity of demand, how the fuck would a clownbo like you know whether or not you’d be selling at a profit or a loss unless you forecasted profit margin or lack thereof?
Daauuueeey, the rethuglidum bullhorn sounds! Teh effervescence of hick elitist brilliance, ew, ew!
Why don’t you, like, read a few books and make a few bucks before you empty your head here on PW?
oh. I am way intrigued by the frozen swiss cake rolls.
Not necessarily true.
You should be able to deduce from my example above that a smart moonshiner sets his price within a price range that he believes acceptable based on analysis of market demand and competitor’s prices (which are also a reflection of demand) and assuming such factors as his is a new moonshine brand and that, according to Murphy’s law, unexpected costs will arise. In other words he desires a price that will create a profit margin large enough to withstand variances in raw material prices, that will be able to cover expected costs such as being arrested while also incorporating the assumption that a lower price will increase demand.
If the moonshine mafia increased its taxes on his moonshine stand he may wince, but if he was smart he would have already forecasted such possibilities into his current price, in other words he should be able to maintain his price until analysis of competitor prices signaled to him whether he could pass the increased taxes onto his customers without effecting the demand of his moonshine.
I don’t need to rely on my Grampy to find appropriate descriptors for you, Bmoe, hick-stupid and lazy suffice.
If the moonshine mafia increased its taxes on his moonshine stand he may wince, but if he was smart he would have already forecasted such possibilities into his current price…
SO HIS PRICE WOULD STILL BE COVERING HIS EXPENSES. Goddamn thor, you are acting stupider that fucking tuberhead. Give it up dude. You can explain it using however many terms and technicalities you want, but that is the bottom line to staying in business. All taxes and expenses are ultimately paid by the consumer, or a business can’t make a profit.
Smart little bastard, ain’t he?
If the moonshine mafia increased its taxes on his moonshine stand he may wince, but if he was smart he would have already forecasted such possibilities into his current price…
If he forecasted possibilities in his current price he would be acting exactly as the oil markets do when pricing delivery for 3-6 months in the future… I thought you had issues with the oil markets? Now you are advocating all businesses act like the oil market… which they do to some extent, but it is amusing to see you hoist your ass on the flagpole of your previous pronouncements.
Poseur.
Precisely,Steph. Kid’s all talk. It’s all hes got. Gonna troll hammer his loser ass.
No, wittle Steph, the futures market for oil was being dominated by persons involved in price speculation with no intention of actual delivery or means of production. This moonshine example assumes no such speculator’s noise in the market between producers and users.
Would you like to take another swing, honey-buns, if I adjust the t-ball stand a little lower for ya?
Hi stupid. No, this is how one forecasts viability, he could have forecasted a loss, meaning it would not be viable to make and sell moonshine based on his costs, or, level of risk, meaning risk associated when only a small profit margin is projected.
When a company hits the news wire with a statement warning that theirs is a challenging environment in the current quarter, that’s essentially what they are saying, namely, that higher costs are not being reflected in their product price. Price is a function of the elasticity of demand.
Carin should be teaching this class, she’s the sort’a-owner of a small business, and every small businessperson knows this shit; they have to file quarterly taxes based on projected income, or lack thereof.
When a company hits the news wire with a statement warning that theirs is a challenging environment in the current quarter, that’s essentially what they are saying, namely, that higher costs are not being reflected in their product price.
And they can just do all that in perpetuity, because you don’t really have to keep your costs below your price to turn a profit, you don’t need to turn a profit to stay in business any more, because O! has changed everything! I see the light! Just get Unka Barracky to stimulate my ass and my mind will follow!
VOTE OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!
No, wittle Steph, the futures market for oil was being dominated by persons involved in price speculation with no intention of actual delivery or means of production. This moonshine example assumes no such speculator’s noise in the market between producers and users.
Oh so now we in that fantabulous world of “hypthetical” companies and such where the professors think they have all the answers. NOT. But I’ll play along…
So the price of corn in the future on your fucking moonshine is known or is it speculative? Correct Answer: It is never a known. Therefore it is speculative…. and the oil market analogy does apply. Particularly since there was significant speculation in the corn futures due to another influence on the market (that the alt fuel goons didn’t think about). Or did that little run up on corn prices not have anything to do with speculators cornering the market due to Ethanol? It fucking well did, which caused the UN to get all pissy since the slop they “feed the hungry” in Africa and other parts of the globe had (horrors!)significant increases in costs due to the raw material costs rising so terribly. They were all screaming about being unable to feed as many people with the same $$ so send more money now!!!. Probably put a significant crimp on their skimming on those programs and hit their personal pocketbooks, too… but I digress.
So, the moonshine/oil analogy is fucking stupendously awesome since it shows examples of lefties thinking lets do x (it’s good) and forgetting that the results of y they think are good can have consequences on p, d, q that aren’t so good. Oops… the law of unintended consequences is a bitch, isn’t it?
That speculators play in the market is a given and should be priced in to any financial model, and unanticipated forces coming in and affecting the model have to be considered in pricing as well..
Or to put it in the language of the right…
You can never know what you don’t know.
For those who will actually follow links, may I suggest a reading of Reagan in 1964 and the parallels to today… it gave me goosebumps in its prescience and its discussion of the law of unintended consequences wrt liberals…
http://tiny.cc/5rMeR
Poseur.
Maybe forecast on a standard deviation or two, no?
I know more than you, just accept it and fuck off.
Educated Idiot. Own it, fool.
Google forecasting did you? I would suggest that the standard deviation for most business financial models (which are based on historical figures) is currently too volatile due to trend lines to be much good at using them for anything other than SWAGs… volatility and acceleration of the curve and all that silly stuff, you know?
OH and a deviation or two? Nice way to target that forecast there dumbass…Kinda like that ditzy bitch on TV what says that she saved $30 or $40 thousand dollars shopping at DirectBuy… nice that she allowed herself a 33% margin of error in her SWAG at what she saved.. try that in business and you’ll close the doors in six months…
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