Thankfully, dicentra put together a 5-part series over at the Pub, “Fisking Alinksy,” that goes through Rules for Radicals and carefully debones it — which should provide you with plenty of reading material while I rest.
Do check it out.
And while we’re on the subject of Alinsky, here’s a poem that I wrote the other night in my sleep, which my dreaming mind titled “Alinsky’s Chapstick”:
My dearest Saul —
Having read your
re-imagining of
Nick’s The Prince
I feel as though
we are friends,
confidants joined
by our secret
knowledge, a
cabal of sorts.
Which is why
I feel compelled
to ask you one
very important
question: Might I
please borrow
your Chapstick?
I may be in the minority, but I’ve never used chapstick nor understood its allure. I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that it’s another one of those sneaky crude oil based products though.
I was wondering when someone would see the connections between The Prince and Alinsky’s work.
If the gas station has one of those pump handles but the catch-thinger trigger kickstand is gone,
you can put a tube of chapstick in there. That works.
McGyver did it as invisible product placement. So don’t lend your chapstick to McGyver.
the catch-thinger trigger kickstand
I always wondered what those were called.
Sdferr:
When your lips are peeling due to sun or wind burn, it helps. Beeswax and petroleum jelly are two ingrediants.
I can’t really abide Chapstick. It makes my lips puff up like a mf.
It might be a hymenoptera thing.
I had also noticed the similarity with Machiavelli. Glad he did/could not go the same with Patterns of Conflict.
Carmex or Bag Balm.
Don’t go all Far Side on us Sarah. Making us google your fancy words…. that’s not right!
I despair of ever understanding Alinsky and his quasi-metaphorical chapstick. I googled muchly. I think it might could be cause Chicago is really windy.
It’s one reason I bitterly cling to my RAID.
* illusory fixed points–which are very real to me.
see also Alinsky:
pp. 188-189, Rules for Radicals
“Their bitterness is compounded by their also paying taxes for these colleges, for increased public services, fire, police, public health, and welfare. They hear the poor demanding welfare as ‘rights.’ To them this is insult on top of injury. Seeking some meaning in their life, they turn to an extreme chauvinism and become defenders of the ‘American’ faith. Insecure in this fast-changing world, they cling to illusory fixed points–which are very real to themâ€Â.
how is your shoulder? Chicago is a city of big ones but I think it’s a lot cause they wear so many layers.
You can put chapstick on an Alinksy and think, Hey, sexy lips.
But it’s still fucking communism
I always wondered what those were called.
Google indicates that it’s called a “hold-open clip”.
They’ll have to pry my hard drives from my cold, dead hands.
I dated a geneticist from Chicago who liked the three stooges. He would confuse Nishi. His shoulders were normal. He raced bikes and had legs of steel.
Cool guy but not enough chapstick in the world to make him stop honking when he talked.
I went there a couple of times was on Oprah once.
Hymenopter would make a great name for one of these powered by young virgins.
I always wondered what those were called.
Google indicates that it’s called a “hold-open clipâ€Â.
I have also used my gas cap to do the same, re: holding the gas on. Comes in handy in Florida.
I did know a kid in elementary school who carried a small container of vicks-vap-o-rub and was incessantly dabbing a small fingerwad of the stuff into his nasal openings. He was a hypochondriacal sort of kid who nevertheless loved to play war. Crude oil rules.
Ugh, Vick rub. I remember when I was kid, the creepy Vicks commercials. Something struck me as slightly indecent about the mom-son goo-rub thing, though i had no real idea why.
I mean the goop was bad enough, all by itself. Don’t show me a mom scooping it up with her fingers to display for the camera.
Are the kickstands unlawful in Florida?
Yeah, that kid did most definitely have that fussy mother thing going on. Kinda grossed me out when I was disprivileged to witness it.
According to the gas pump parts site where I found the “hold-open clip” thingie, they are indeed illegal in some states.
Baracky and Harry and Nancy will rub their goop all over America I think and it will be a lot munchausen but no one will report it and Europe will nod approvingly and then start bitching about extraneous shit they just made up.
Pump pal.
Also, a myth.
They’re verboten in RI & MA. They have them in Jersey,, but for professional use only.
Jersey and Oregon are the only states forbidding civilians from pumping their own gas, if I remember aright.
Oh great. I am not a gullible person but OCD a bit and I will always be looking now the way I always put my shoes in escape position by the bed.
Don’t have them in Florida…. mostly. But AAFES still has them.
For proddy needles I will be looking, that is.
You seriously can’t pump your own gas by law?
I thought we lived in America.
Link to the backdope on gaspumping. I can’t vouch for their historical veracity.
I’m groggy and reeling from needles and proddings
You sound like Dennis Kucinich describing his alien abduction.
Yeah Sarah, if you ever go to Oregon, pull up to a gas station, jump out and grab the hose.
You will get the same reaction if the hose is attached to the pump or the attendant.
Although there may be less disapproval if you grab the attendants hose.
Jeff: Thanks for the nod.
I was wondering when someone would see the connections between The Prince and Alinsky’s work.
You can either draw your own conclusions or you can read the first sentence of RfR, which says:
Oh, and as an aside, Alinsky thought the Weather Underground were morons, what with the way they scared all the white people instead of insinuating themselves into the system and destroying it from within.
We don’t need “hold-open clips” in Utah. The pump handles already have a tab and a ratchet thinger, and they always have. Utah also has good concealed-carry laws.
When the revolution comes, everybody should come here. We’re already against all that nanny-state stuff.
dicentra, can I buy a AR-15 in Utah like I could in Texas?
“You seriously can’t pump your own gas by law?”
Heh, sometimes when I drive out of state I pull into a gas station and sit there for a bit, then realize no one’s coming to pump my gas. Jersey for ya.
dicentra, can I buy a AR-15 in Utah like I could in Texas?
I have no earthly idea. I am very pro-2nd Amendment, but I have never been much into the gun culture.
‘Cuz I have family both places, and I’m going to be drawn to the ones with fire-power like a moth to light.
Also, it may be easier to travel through Arizona than Nevada in those days. ;)
I’m rewatching the documentary on the WU. If I can, I’ll try to rip it to my computer later and excerpt some clips — including Gitlin calling them out as the pissy little children they were.
thor is constantly on about why don’t you go after everyone ELSE who’s ever sat on a charity board with Ayers — like Republicans, for instance? He seems to think this is a gotcha question.
To me, though, it’s a non-starter. First, those others aren’t running for President, nor were they elevated into politics and executive roles by Ayers as a kind of handpicked useful contextual token. Second, Obama’s connection to Ayers is just one in a number of similar connections and influences, from the commie poet to the DSA and New Party to BLT and its Marxist grievance “progressive” leftism.
Thor chased Karl away with his bullshit, and Karl is now posting elsewhere — a place where he has more readers, but at the cost of showing a willingness to stand up to the very kind of tactics that the left thrives on, and which they’ve found useful in their march through the culture.
Call me an idealist, but they’re going to have to do more than shout to get me to back down.
Fuck ’em all. And a special fuck ’em to so-called conservatives who are voting for Obama because he “has something.” I’m no fan of McCain. But I also know what people like Reverend Wright and Ayers and Dohrn and Rudd and M’chelle are about, and I’d as soon fuck a dingo as pull the lever for a leftist charismat.
Maverick!
dicentra,
Huntsman will have us in California’s condition in two more terms.
And you can buy an AR clone in any configuration you want over the counter in just about any hunting/sporting goods store in Utah, less the chain stores.
Just got back from hunting, myself. Was really hoping to build up a buffer of humility, gratitude, and inner peace, but turned out it wasn’t enough to get me past opening up our quarterly statements.
I find that being ready with a basement full of food and other supplies does not soften the blow when the reason for having that stuff manifests.
I would like to have paid for my daughters’ college.
Good luck.
Gambling winnings? You really are retarded!
Jeff – might want to look here.
Bastards. Didn’t they give you any good pills, Jeff?
Are you going to eat those?
Good health to you Jeff G.
#38 dicentra:
Oh, I knew that. But it was interesting to see another note that Mr. Alinsky’s work was a treatise that depended on the works of others. He is original only that he put it together, like Mr. Machiavelli did.
The things that either author speak about were not new when the second brick was put on top of the first at Ur. Boiling them down is useful and commendable, but they are merely describing what hundreds of generations already knew.
Again, useful as manuals are always useful, but the knowledge is not new. We are still dealing with the same humans we always had to deal with.
Great, urthshu.
Wasted a good portion of my day, it looks like.
I didn’t chase that bag of chicken pussies anywhere, much less away. He went to the family fun park where the batting cages offer softball pitching machines for the overweight kids. As if I dropped a steamer in the bed of his Tonka truck, jammed his Beanie Babies with Blackcats, fuck him.
No, fuck you.
OT:
I saw a clip this evening of O! on the stump. He was Outraged! at the things Mav was saying as well as the crowds responses. He was palavering about it being divisive and innapropriate; especially at a time when all patriotic Americans need to be united in doing what is necessary to face this crisis…
Question:
Just where the hell! has this putz been for the last 8 years?!? For most of that time we have been hearing about Chimpy BusHitlerBurton, how stupid he is, what an embarrasment he has made of our country, how fascist he and Cheney are, and just how corrupt, polluting, mendacious, and just plain evil he and the eeeeeeeevil RethugliKKKans are; all this coming from People who are now his supporters, the nutroots, the MSM, and the most of the other Democrats who have been rabble-roused by the demagoguery of the other two groups! How was all that any less than divisive, at any less an important juncture???
This is the same clap-trap that I see on the nausiating MSNBC election ’08 commercials; the ones where Keefy O says that, “The time for partisanship is over”, or something like that…
Every time I hear it I throw up in my mouth a little…
Because of THE HYPOCRISY!
We all have to push back hard against this. I would invite anyone who desires to write a note to Mav’s campaign at info@johnmccain.com and tell him to call O! on this condescending and hypocritical meme, among other things; I know I’m going to be doing so several times a day…
Jeff G,
How are you? What was the word from the sawbones? Neddles sound like it means cortizone, or at least injected dye…
I hope that they fixed you up…
#46 Jeff G.:
Despite his book, John McCain’s very public life is his testament. With him you know who you are getting.
Despite his two books, Barack Obama is very much an enigma. With him you can assign all of your beliefs and not know anything about him. For example, Christopher Buckley’s article was based on his assumptions and beliefs, without any support that Sen. Obama believed the same things.
Tabula Rasa, indeed.
Sorry, Jeff. I just didn’t want you to get bogged down on it and find out after, you know?
Could look at this
Fuck yourself thor. You’ve spent the last several months going to bat for a man who is thigh deep in connections to the worst kind of violent domestic radicalism-become-intellectual totalitarianism.
All because you felt morally superior for backing the black dude. You’re as shallow and flashy as the poetry you push. And you know it, too. But you’ve doubled down, so may as well save face rather than admit you backed a mob horse. It is, after all, all about you — which, generally speaking, is, for all the talk of community, the secret of Obama’s campaign.
But you’ll end up eating your own. It’s what you do. Even Naomi Jaffe knows that.
Go brush your teeth, Bob. No wonder your breath smells like vomit.
Right or wrong, Obama is too talented a politician for the likes of McCain and his Alaskan chimp.
The man’s too big. The man’s too strong. He’s O! and he’s the1!
I might put something up anyway, urthshu. It’s not all about Ayers, after all, and the little interpolations were too heavyhanded for my liking.
Obama’s “talent” lies with gaming a system steeped in PC platitudes, and being trained by machine pols, hucksters, race pimps, and New Leftists who learned from their earlier radicalism that bombs tend to put people off, while “education reform” turns them on.
That, being black, and having a nice speaking voice are the extent of his talents.
McCain isn’t much better, but he has the advantage of not being schooled by people who advocate either the violent overthrow of the capitalist system, or the slow, progressive course toward that same end.
Jeff, he’ll only be our President. The stars and stripes won’t have to be re-arranged.
Without emotion I astutely called Obama out as the winner long ago. Whatever the it is, and all that, and nothing more, he is. The man’s got lots of its.
“The man’s too big. The man’s too strong.”
Hi Ho Long Dong Silver. Does O! do coke can pubic hairs with Michelle?
I’m groggy and reeling from needles and prods.
Let the Trollhammer down on those old Nordic gods.
Doo-dee-doot-doo
All is groovy
The man’s got lots of its.
Twits, as well.
#61 Jeff G.:
The French and Russian revolutions are known for eating their own.
After all, these people are known subversives!
Without emotion I astutely called Obama out as the winner long ago.
You also called out the euro as the winner against the dollar on 9/22.
Heh.
When I think of prophets, three names come to mind: Isaiah. Jeremiah. Thor.
Hey. During this election, can I vote for Howard Roark?
Just askin’.
Horseshit. If “progressives” get control of the courts, the Constitution as a founding document will be but a convenient fiction.
There’s nothing astute about recognizing the rising of a cult of personality, particular from the happy insider’s perspective.
And here, you’re missing these: s, h.
Thanks TMJ. Utah will remain an option.
The Euro did bang out a nice rally for me, dope.
I’m still riding 4 different Yen contracts.
Letting my winners run, similar to Obama.
Volatility breeds opportunity. But you have to have the chops for it. Bad news for a guy like sPies.
I sent some servers to Albania today. Tirana, Albania! The world is getting smaller.
The Euro did bang out a nice rally for me, dope.
Sure it did, liebot.
You got your ass burned on that one.
Or, more accurately, Daddy got his ass burned.
poems?
nostrils
wax
man..man
versus
us?
you/me..da..da
david crosby
cape
coddle
manger
stinky
plane
‘zono
Perf, I thought it was someone in the Bush admin who said the Constitution was a “quaint” document?
Seriously, I think Obama will probably lose. This Ayers thing has legs, and he Toasty McToast (I love me some Obama, but I seriously think he is lying about something). And Though he is leading in the polls, he has a “soft lead”. There are a lot of people who will probably jump ship pretty easily should his negatives shoot up enough.
Such is life, ya know? I was all ready to get out my hammer and sickle and dance around in the streets, but alas…
thor,
Alaskan chimp…? You may be able to criticize Palin, but any resemblance to a chimp, in any way, is a stretch indeed; one that even Reed Richards couldn’t make…
I’ll go brush my teeth now…
thought it was someone in the Bush admin who said the Constitution was a “quaint†document?
And you’d be wrong.
No Lisa, not the Constitution, but I think you are thinking of a comment by someone (Stephen Hadley?) about some of the passages in the Geneva conventions being “quaint”, insofar as they had been written in the 19th century and had a few anachronistic notions.
In related news, Dow Futures are down -200 and if you remember Fitzmas, word onna street is that Fitz is working on a RICO investigation…involving Rezko, ACORN and the Daley Machine….and rumor has it that Obama’s name has come up in the investigation.
It seems that Li’l Tony is squealing like a pig.
missing-one bomb
location-repressive student dance
tactics-“we don’t need no fucking tactics”
brownstone-one brownstone at a time
colors-don’t touch the red wire w/the gree..
never mind
My apologies Lisa, it was AG Gonzales in some memo. John Yoo comments:
Leg’go my Blago !!!
Ah Sdferr. Thank you. I had a feeling I was probably off, but I was too lazy to Google.
It was indeed the Geneva Conventions, and it was Gonzales. When you read the entire quote in context, it’s quite clear that he wasn’t talking about the entirety of the Conventions, but rather some odd provisions in there (such as requiring that the prisoners be provided with athletic uniforms and scientific instruments).
So you’re really just a spineless opportunist, looking to court favor with the new boss?
Hi Darleen!
Useful idiots like thor never understand that they’re the first ones to go up against the wall, come the revolution.
Hey Jeff G,
What did you think about Brooks’ argument that conservatism and inellectualism have become diametrically opposed?
He says that Rethugs have advanced from hating liberal intellectuals to all intellectuals…
He seems to believe that this trend has led to:
I’d sure like to hear your take on his essay.
I’m not sucking up when I say that folks like you should be writing for the Times, instead of some of the crowd they have there now…
Blago
Governor Rod Blagojevich (D-IL), who would’ve been Obama, but for that Democrat Party Convention speech.
“Comment by thor on 10/10 @ 6:21 pm #
Jeff, he’ll only be our President. The stars and stripes won’t have to be re-arranged.”
Of course not, when the stars are replaced with a hammer and sickle.
“Without emotion”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
“I astutely”
BWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!!
“called Obama out as the winner long ago.”
That’s just your meds wearing off.
“Whatever the it is, and all that, and nothing more, he is. The man’s got lots of its.”
‘And it makes me feel all funny in the pants.’
Go wipe the white stuff from your chin, thor.
Geneva
Guantanamo
Gonzales
Gas prices
Google
Gabby Hayes
Gut check
Crawford
Get OUT!
GABBA GABBA
Gold…[stein?]
I’m not sucking up when I say that folks like you should be writing for the Times,
I agree. The Perf and most of the commenters here are really good writers.
One of the definitions of “quaint” is “skillfully or cleverly made.”
thor,
I hope that you had those Albanian fellows write your check in dollaz…
Or better yet, a credit card transaction…
‘Cuz, the Euro is on the way down for a while to come…
“Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/10 @ 6:54 pm #
In related news, Dow Futures are down -200 and if you remember Fitzmas, word onna street is that Fitz is working on a RICO investigation…involving Rezko, ACORN and the Daley Machine….and rumor has it that Obama’s name has come up in the investigation.
It seems that Li’l Tony is squealing like a pig.”
From your lips to God’s ear.
Thor chased Karl away with his bullshit, and Karl is now posting elsewhere â€â€
If only the trollhammer had been invented sooner …
I mean, I like being called a stupid racist as much as the next gal. But it does get tedious.
I think hf should write editorials for the NYT.
98 –
Not just Rezko. Hillary ain’t done just yet. Her crowd is very pissed about the fraud, but they couldn’t do much during the Primaries b/c those are party affairs and thus if the party doesn’t police it, its not punished. Now, though, there’s federal laws involved.
gak! McCain said Obama is a fine man, and we shouldn’t be afraid if Obama becomes president.
“Conservatives are as rare in elite universities and the mainstream media as they were 30 years ago. The smartest young Americans are now educated in an overwhelmingly liberal environment.“
Thanks to O! and Bill Ayers! WOOOO Wooo
it wasn’t enough to get me past opening up our quarterly statements.
You OPENED them? You should know better than that. The losses are so far on paper only. So far.
What did you think about Brooks’ argument that conservatism and intellectualism have become diametrically opposed?
That depends on Brooks’s definition of “intellectualism.” If he’s conflating it with elitist snobbery, then yeah, conservatism tends to find that repellent, given that most of our ancestors came here to get away from the stifling iron caste systems of Europe.
And given that Brooks’s criticisms of Sarah Palin tend to stem from his embarrassment at being in the same party as an obvious yokel who never went to Europe or the Ivies, then I’d say that Brooks does in fact use that definition.
The biggest problem with most intellectuals is that they are so impressed with their own cerebral gifts that they fail utterly to recognize that other people possess gifts that they themselves lack (horse sense, compassion, self-sacrifice, and humility being principal among them), and instead denigrate the gifts they do not possess for the simple reason that they do not possess them. Admirable people. Truly admirable.
OTOH, if by “intellectualism” you mean intellectual honesty, scholarly rigor, intellectual curiosity, historical perspective, and utter disdain for anti-intellectual claptrap such as “fake but accurate” science, “the tyranny of facts,” and “the fallacy of requiring proof,” then the answer is NO, the right is not departing from suchlike, but another faction definitely IS.
Three guesses, David, and I’ll spot you the first two.
That David Brooks article is still pissing me off. Obviously someone had confused “elitism” with “intellectualism” — because I know a heck of a lot of elite who aren’t the least bit intellectual. And, of course, the reverse.
See, now dicentra made it all a tad more intellectual than I did.
Lee, I hear that earlier, and many profane words were uttered.
But, I did mutter one PG phrase: Doesn’t he want to win this election?
urthshu, and why would you want to punish hf with such ignominious associations and potential obscurity ? It’s bad enough that B. Kristol is willing to abase himself. Don’t wish such a thing on hf as well.
oh. well maybe the NYT could just syndicate his comments here and send him a check?
No! We must keep our Happyfeet here. I don’t choose to share him.
I’m thinking about making him a mix CD.
Hi Carin.
but really. hf would just be making fun of them the whole time and they wouldn’t even know.
Now that sounds like a purty good idea you got there urthshu, they could pick up JeffG as well in that event.
HI LISA! I hope you still like me, now that thor has declared me a racist.
I figure that if we wait long enough, the Sulzbergers will have to dump their Class B shares so Pinch doesn’t have to sell off his polo ponies.
When that happens, we can buy the whole shebang and liqudate it for the value of the real estate and the subscriber list.
I don’t think we’d want to keep using the name, though.
If only the trollhammer had been invented sooner…
Or, respectfully, stones.
Think Happyfeet would appreciate a shit-load of Tool songs? I mean, not Prison Sex or Stinkfist or anything. I mean, they are NOTHING like Nickelback.
Lisa isn’t like those shiftless lazy black people in Motown, eh Carin.
What you implied was racist by any measure of the definition. That you can’t figure that out makes you equal parts racist and idiot in my book.
Lisa: if you’re still here, thor is lying about Carin.
That’s what he does.
It’s all he does.
I suspect you already knew that, though.
Carin –
You gotta wait until hf gets his new, improved Deathstar PC hooked up. The one what will drain LA of all teh juice when he hits the Big Red Button *shudders*
urthsu. thank you. It’s a good day to hear something nice. I can only do commentings though. I think what I mean is I like it when stuff I say is in context of what other people say. That is what is still new anyway about us here. Every day. It’s pretty amazing to me still.
oh. Yay. Tomorrow it’s supposed to get here. It was going to be tonight but my friend P… I think he just kind of failed but that’s ok cause he worked very hard and I have to work this weekend anyway.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a bunch of miscreants uploaded a bunch of Tool to my new pc. I never embraced them just sort of heard them around for awhile and then I didn’t anymore.
And, thor can tell what is, or isn’t, racist because he really, really likes black people. Some of his best friends are black.
And, I’m so injured that he thinks I’m an idiot. I’ll just sit on a bench next to Karl and Spies and B Moe … and and and … hey, I’m in pretty good company, ain’t I?
In defense of Tool … my kids made SUCH fun of my Tool
obsessioninterest, but now they’re studying guitar – and my bass playing son now realizes the genius.#
Comment by thor on 10/10 @ 6:15 pm
Right or wrong, Obama is too talented a politician
The man’s too big. The man’s too strong. He’s O! and he’s the1!
Comment by thor on 10/10 @ 6:21 pm
he’ll only be our President. The stars and stripes won’t have to be re-arranged.
Without emotion I astutely called Obama out as the winner long ago. Whatever the it is, and all that, and nothing more, he is. The man’s got lots of its.
How any of you can take this preening little ponce serious enough to be upset by him is beyond me.
Excellent discussion dicentra; I appreciate your opinion. I was kind of thinking along similar lines, but you articulated it sooooooo much better.
this preening little ponce
Ponce de Moron?
All I remember about tool is all their videos were the same. For awhile anyway.
I might could be mixing them up with Korn.
“Conservatives are as rare in elite universities and the mainstream media as they were 30 years ago. The smartest young Americans are now educated in an overwhelmingly liberal environment.“
I’m trying, I’m trying.
I added Atlas Shrugged to my Great Books course this semester.
Someone please confirm these RICO/ACORN/Obama rumors. Seems plausible, but almost too good to be true. Oh, the irony of this Fitzmas!
“Amongst other ills which being disarmed brings, it causes you to be despised.”
— Some Italian Guy
I was making egg rolls and what hit me was Paul Wolfowitz. How they purged him, how the media and Europe and Democrats all worked together. That was the future and I don’t remember knowing it then.
That’s an on-topic Alinsky comment I swear I just got lazy.
clarice seems to have a had nice idea to settle peoples nerves over at JOM, going back to this day in 2000 and 2004, pulling up polls and electoral college projections from the past, showing Gore and Kerry up by margins greater than Obama’s are currently. People can get awfully wrapped around the axle over the crap for data from the pollsters and daily pro-Obama drumbeat of the dishonest press.
Well I’m glad I made that comment anyway cause I forgot what time I put the egg rolls in the oven.
Sdferr is right plus they have the Bradley Effect what is so dear to them for cover later.
nikkolai – check hillbuzz
hf – get that pc!
/night
this isn’t definitive but it’s what I have from 2004 which doesn’t really make Clarice’s point cause maybe I didn’t look at the stupid Kerry is leading ones…
2004-10-02Newsweek Poll – Bush Lead Gone (Newsweek) (drudgereport.com).txt
2004-10-03Poll Puts Bush, Kerry About Even (CNN-USAT-Gallup) (cnn.com).txt
2004-10-04After First Debate, Bush Still Leads Kerry (W Post-ABC News) (W Post).txt
2004-10-07AP Poll – Kerry Holds Small Lead Over Bush (AP-Ipsos Public Affairs) (AP).txt
2004-10-11Kerry Opens 3-Point Lead On Bush (Reuters-Zogby) (Reuters).txt
2004-10-12National Polls Split, But Kerry Makes Headway In States (AFP).txt
2004-10-12Reuters Poll – Bush Moves Into Dead Heat w Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-14Election Poll (roper_reports_team@roperasw.com) (multimedia).lnk
2004-10-14Election Poll (roper_reports_team@roperasw.com).txt
2004-10-14Reuters Poll – Bush Takes 1-Point Lead Over Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-15Reuters Poll – Bush Opens 4-Point Lead On Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-16Poll Shows Support For Bush In Military (Annenberg Election Survey) (LAT).txt
2004-10-16Reuters Poll – Bush Keeps 4-Point Lead On Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-16Security Top Issue For Americans (AP-Ipsos) (AP).txt
2004-10-17Poll Suggests Kerry Has Lead In Swing States (cbc.ca).txt
2004-10-19Poll Shows Tie; Concerns Cited On Both Rivals (NYT).txt
2004-10-21Kids Opt For Kerry In Online Poll (Nickelodeon) (Reuters).txt
2004-10-25Reuters Poll – Bush Holds 3-Point Lead On Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-26Reuters Poll – Bush Keeps 3-Point Lead On Kerry (Reuters).txt
2004-10-28Bush Leads Kerry By 2 Points – Reuters Poll (Reuters).txt
2004-10-29Bush & Kerry Locked In Dead Heat – Reuters Poll (Reuters).txt
2004-10-29Campaign Fails To Change Attitudes On Iraq – Poll (Harris) (AFP).txt
2004-10-30Polls On The Presidential Race (Newsweek) (AP).txt
2004-10-31Bush Leads, Uncertainty Reigns (CBS-NYT) (cbsnews.com).txt
2004-10-31Polls Suggest Higher Voter Turnout Likely (Pew Research Center) (AP).txt
2004-10-31Recent Polls On The Presidential Race (AP).txt
2004-10-31WH Race A Dead Heat – Reuters Poll (Reuters).txt
2004-11-01Bush Has 1-Point Lead On Kerry – Reuters Poll (Reuters).txt
This is obnoxious long but it’s late and …
Oct 31 2004 3:38:45 PST
Recent Polls On The Presidential Race
Results of recent polls on the presidential race. Listed above each set of results is the name of the organization that conducted the poll, the dates, the number interviewed, whether they were adults, registered voters (RV) or likely voters (LV) and the margin of error (MoE). Results might not total 100% because of rounding.
Trend, when available from the same polling firm, is in parentheses after the current numbers. An asterisk ( ) indicates less than 1%.
STATES
ARKANSAS – 6 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 5.4 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
– Bush-Cheney, 51%
– Kerry-Edwards, 43%
– Unsure/Other, 6%
COLORADO – 9 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 8.4 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 50% (49)
– Kerry-Edwards, 43% (43)
– Unsure/Other, 7% (8)
FLORIDA – 27 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 537 votes)
Mason-Dixon for various news organizations, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 49% (48)
– Kerry-Edwards, 45% (45)
– Nader-Camejo, 1% (1)
– Unsure/Other, 5% (6)
IOWA – 5 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 0.3 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 49% (49)
– Kerry-Edwards, 44% (43)
– Unsure/Other, 7% (8)
MICHIGAN – 17 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 5.2 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 626 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Kerry-Edwards, 47% (47)
– Bush-Cheney, 45% (46)
– Nader-Camejo, 1% ( )
– Unsure, 8% (7)
MINNESOTA – 10 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 2.4 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 27-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Sep Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 48% (44)
– Kerry-Edwards, 47% (46)
– Unsure/Other, 5% (10)
MISSOURI – 11 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 3.3 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 49% (49)
– Kerry-Edwards, 44% (44)
– Unsure, 7% (7)
NEVADA – 5 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 3.5 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Sep in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 50% (50)
– Kerry-Edwards, 44% (45)
– Unsure/other, 6% (5)
NEW HAMPSHIRE – 4 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 1.3 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Kerry-Edwards, 47% (45)
– Bush-Cheney, 46% (48)
– Nader-Camejo, 1% (1)
– Unsure/Other, 6% (6)
NEW MEXICO – 5 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 0.1 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 27-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 49% (46)
– Kerry-Edwards, 45% (48)
– Nader-Camejo, 1% (1)
– Unsure/Other, 5% (5)
–
Research & Polling Inc.-Albuquerque Journal, Oct 26-29, 1,140 LV, MoE +/-3
– Bush, 47%
– Kerry, 44%
– Unsure/Other, 9%
OHIO – 20 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 3.6 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 48% (46)
– Kerry-Edwards, 46% (45)
– Unsure/other, 6% (9)
OREGON – 7 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 0.5 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Kerry-Edwards, 50% (47)
– Bush-Cheney, 44% (46)
– Unsure/Other, 6% (7)
PENNSYLVANIA – 21 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 4.2 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Kerry-Edwards, 48% (46)
– Bush-Cheney, 46% (45)
– Unsure/Other, 6% (9)
WEST VIRGINIA – 5 electoral votes (Bush won in 2000 by 6.3 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Bush-Cheney, 51% (49)
– Kerry-Edwards, 43% (44)
– Unsure/other, 6% (7)
WISCONSIN – 10 electoral votes (Gore won in 2000 by 0.2 percentage points)
Mason-Dixon for MSNBC-Knight-Ridder, Oct 26-29, 625 LV, MoE +/-4
(Results from mid-Oct Mason-Dixon poll in parentheses)
– Kerry-Edwards, 48% (45)
– Bush-Cheney, 46% (45)
– Nader-Camejo, 1% (1)
– Unsure, 5% (9)
©2004 AP
Well I’m glad I made that comment anyway cause I forgot what time I put the egg rolls in the oven.
You certainly place an awful lot of unwarranted trust in PW’s timestamps. I used to use them to calculate my billing hours, but then I found out their correspondence with reality was tenuous at best.
Good thing you weren’t in the pub, however; that place is a gaping hole in the space-time continuum. Swallowed the TARDIS once, it did.
They were pretty crispy.
When you consider the PUMA vote, some percentage of 18 million, the Bradley affect and the poll cooking I think any perceived lead by the O! is really just an illusion intended to shore up their base. There’s probably gonna be a lot asploding heads come November 5.
– I doubt he will, but McAncient is doing his level best to “nice guy” his ass out of the WH.
One huge problem is that, regardless of polls, rampant Democrat voter fraud is in the works. I look at the recent busting of ACORN as I would pulling over DUI’s. For every one you catch, a dozen or more and careening home.
The best thing is to expose the reprobates and hope disgust at Obama’s attempt to do Chicago thug politics nation wide turns off enough people to counter the millions of fictional and dead people voting.
– The voter thing is slipping through the Jackasses hands – The Feds are on it now – particularly in Ohio, and they should definitely check out Florida and Penn.
Also check to see that blocks of votes don’t get “lost”. Remember the 500,000 Bush votes in Florida.
Well, at least the these ACORN shitbags are finally being dragged out into the light. Sunlght is the best disinfectant.
– Yes, and now rhe Obama/Ayers/ACORN connection is starting to get some hair, particularly the 800 grand given by the Obama campaign Directly to that “activist” group, and the actions of ACORN in connection with banks, CRA, and Fannie/Freddie.
– Chickens coming home to roost.
Unfortunately, I don’t think this is going to help in the current election. I sense a bloodletting coming for the GOP, and they really deserve it. But I truly fear what 4 years of Jimmy Carter the Lesser coupled with a Reid/Pelosi congress will do to this nation.
It makes me so sad.
The current incarnation of the GOP is dead. This is so not funny.
Sam
The GOP needs to pass the baton onto the next generation. Palin is the pointman.
It is a party in transistion, not “dead”. Or do you disagree with the young conservatives like Palin, Jindal, et al, don’t represent the party?
Sementicleo: ““Given Sen. McCain’s history of gambling on a regular basis over many years, it is nearly impossible to imagine that he never won over $200, the amount that triggers the reporting requirement,†wrote CREW executive director Melanie Sloan.—
What a crock. Anyone with the slightest grounding in statistics (or maybe a dollop of common sense) knows that the game favors the house. The whole selling point of blackjack is that it is the game that favors the house less than most. In the long run, the house *ALWAYS* wins, in the same way that the sun *ALWAYS* rises in the east.
Likewise, assuming for the sake of argument that McCain did win, it is still likely he didn’t have tax implications, since one is permitted to deduct one’s losses from one’s winnings to determine taxable income.
Lisa and Sdferr,
This opinion piece may be where the idea that Gonzales said the Constitution was “quaint”. Toward the end he says
“Indeed, Gonzales deemed international law — which becomes the law of the United States, under our Constitution, when properly ratified by the Senate — to be “quaint” and outdated when applied to the war on terrorism. To say this, is to say, in effect that the Constitution itself is quaint and outdated.”
Quite a feat, going from the actual statement that some provisions of the Geneva Accords were outdated and quaint, to the conclusion drawn there.
Our marvelous press, gotta love ’em.
Darleen,
As I said the current incarnation of the GOP is dead. While I have great hopes that their heirs will be duly chastized and strengthened in their resolve to uphold the founding principles of this nation, they will spend a long time in the political wilderness. I fear what may happen in the interim.
Chowderheads with political power are probably one of the most destructive forces in the universe, and that’s what’s on the menu for the next 4 years.
The gloating is what will be hardest to swallow.
Fortunatley, that won’t last long as we free-fall into economic stagnation.
But left-wing douchebag gloating is an abomination that stinks in the nostrils of God, no matter how short-lived,
Obama, hell fire! Wash the crack of your ass with pumice, Sam.
Fuck you, thor. You will suffer much more than I will.
You don’t even realize that, do you? I feel sorry for you….
If I understand what HF is saying. And I think I do. Its summarized in Ye ol Yogi. It ain’t over till its over. And Im counting on a significant amount of union guys changing their vote at the polls. When they make up their own minds, without anyone being able to see their vote will vote their wallets. And ultimately, the only party who really respects the American worker is the Republican party.
Why ? Simple- the American worker has skills that make the cogs of the Great American Machine turn. I very much wish we’d spend more time figuring out how to make that wheel turn smoothly.
look for
the union label
[who wrote that?]
aside- I’m union-got all the proper-ganda from the
hall- I agree totally w/ me bosses but I’m voting Palin
at Union meetings I’ll discuss/but y argue w/hacks
in the field-it’s a totally DIFFERENT STORY!
BTW-imigration[?] is our big issue…hello…
Mcfly?
#135
I saw this at Ace’s place too. He seems to think it has legs. Just to make sure, I’m gonna email some reps both state and fed.You know. Stir the pot. Make enough noise and the MSM has got to carry it.
#120
Said the lying racist with the dirty sanchez.
It says Paula Green wrote the label thing. Like in the 70s. I would have guessed it was older. Paula also came up with the Avis “We Try Harder” slogan.
The union thing she did as part of a campaign, so she may or may not be down with the struggle. *Here* is a picture of Paula back in the day. She looks pretty darn down with the struggle. It suggests she went with a song cause the International Ladies’ Garment Workers’ Union has a “tradition of singing.” It doesn’t really intrigue me to where I want to find out more about that.
http://www.ciadvertising*.org/studies/student/97_fall/practitioner/green/ilgwu.html
the spam filter does not approve of this link so you can copy it and just take out the asterisk thinger
Because abuse is love, thor loves abuse, Sam. Being then the courageous chap he is and has become, he’s not afraid of no hissing, clanking central power.
Oh, and read you some Enrugby Camaro. Then it’ll all make even more sense.
After the first 3,300 pages of Vollmann it’s all down hill.
Being a onetime tradeunion member myself, I can easily think my fellow boilermakers will not be finding themselves all that keen to pull the lever for Baracky and his Joebiden character. Most of the fellows I knew back then showed a positive allergic reaction to the silksuited HarvardLaw neverdoneahardanddangerousdaysworkinhislife oharen’tyourhandssosoft sort of pouffter we have before us in this missingmommasboy.
I can’t remember where we was talking about it but pouffter reminded me again of David Brooks and I really don’t get how a for real intellectual could endorse Baracky or McCain or genuinely get behind either of these loser parties. Intellectually. Like T.S. Elliot writing reviews of Adult Swim programming, really. Whatever. Maybe Brooks and his vagina are just defining intellectual down.
I just watched this (and was sad that they didn’t have more time to give to Bryan Caplan than they did). What strikes me now, hf, what with your apt fingering of the incomprehensibility of the David Brookses of the world is the (facile, admittedly) potential breakdown of Caplan’s argument. Teh Ditzzes and Teh Dolts ought to stay home, but what are we to say when supposed knowledgeables like Brooks run themselves off the cliff as well? Ach, despair!
Happy, he’s endorsing/voting for Baracky because he thinks Barack is so freakin smart, once he gets in office he’s going to act like a Republican.
Tricksy, don’t you think?
crap. I’m at work and YouTube was working earlier but it’s not again. It’s never supposed to but it does sometimes. But Brooks I don’t think endorsed Baracky … did he? That Buckley poseur guy did. I thought Brooks was just waxing vagina-esque about teh alienated intellectuals and blah blah blah.
I only read the clips of what sashal posted from Brooks cause I don’t click on NYT links hardly ever.
Oh. It came through finally. This is why Baracky is just a vacuous branding campaign until the day after the elections when his media discovers he has an incontestable socialist mandate.
#175 Carin: That appears to be a near-universal sentiment among what Orrin Judd calls “The Brights”. Since Obama has totally failed to present a coherent program (or has deliberately avoided doing so), since Baracky is such an incredibly Schmott Guy, and since their own program is so obviously Right and Correct, it follows that once in office BHO will govern according to the principles of that program.
The technical term is “projection”, one of the subdivisions of “self-delusion”.
For those with a low taste for polysyllabic pseudoprofundity along those lines, I have recently discovered (via Norm Geras, who is guardedly approving) Culture 11, especially the blog entitled “Postmodern Conservative”. It would appear that a postmodern conservative is a person who asserts that multiculturalism and the linguistic distortions Jeff rails about are God’s Laws.
Regards,
Ric
(Oh, yes: for a taste of what Culture 11 is like, Kate/nishi/matsoko is mainstream there)
Regards,
Ric
Being a onetime tradeunion member myself, I can easily think my fellow boilermakers will not be finding themselves all that keen to pull the lever for Baracky and his Joebiden character. Most of the fellows I knew back then showed a positive allergic reaction to the silksuited HarvardLaw neverdoneahardanddangerousdaysworkinhislife oharen’tyourhandssosoft sort of pouffter we have before us in this missingmommasboy.
The union types I know also would fall in this category.
But the Obama camp is still trying. In SW VA the United Mine Workers is running a radio spot telling everyone how great Obama.Biden would be for coal country, and the campaign is also running a radio spot from Ralph Stanley (the bluegrass icon) echoing those sentiments.
Of course, Stanley was an Edwards supporter too, and is really just emblematic of just how much support for Democrat politicians is just inertia from a bygone era.
It’s not that Brooks endorses Baracky at all (I don’t think he does). It’s that the problem of wisdom sticks. Socrates, in his trial, describes his life going around trying to find the wise, examining people reputed to be wise in every walk of life: politicians, teachers (sophists), poets and tradesmen (handworkers), each of whom believes they have wisdom. Oddly enough, he says, those with the most reputation seemed to be the most deficient.
He says, though, that the only group that consistently knows something that he doesn’t are the tradesmen (who know how to ply their particular crafts) but even they fall into the same mistake as the others, thinking that because they know that stuff they must know everything else as well: “…and so, as I went away, I thought to myself, “I am wiser than this man; for neither of us really knows anything fine and good, but this man thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas I, as I do not know anything, do not think I do either. I seem then, in just this little thing, to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either.”
Always circling back to Soc. as I must, I find the answer yet again. Crito comes to the prison offering a sure-fired plan of escape. It has worked before and it will work again. But given the choice between carrying on beyond his seventy years among another people just like the people he’d be running away from, Soc. chooses to stay in prison and take the hemlock.
I know everything.
If there’s anything I don’t know, I don’t know it.
I’ve noticed people who watch The Daily Show think themselves uncommonly well-informed.
“Postmodern Conservative” looks to me as the same genre as the Washington DC “I’ve grown in office” Conservative.
I assert that they (and their spouses) have grown addicted to the wonderful cocktail party circuit offered up by the wealthy progressive left. It’s a freebie at first but once hooked the cost is your soul. You do get some flattery from the press as a party favor though.
Well, no, not in so many words.
What he’s doing is what Carin and I pointed out: His (Brooks’s) program is Obviously Entirely Correct. Baracky is a Schmott Guy, plus he’s nice, just like Brooks sees himself. Since Obama has no visible program, it follows that when he needs one he will select Brooks’s, which is, as stated, Obviously Completely Correct. It is therefore right and proper to vote for Obama, who will Do The Right Thing, as opposed to McCain, who has allowed the uppity snow-nigger to poke her polluted nose into matters above her station.
Regards,
Ric
B. Caplan, from his blog
:
In Los Angeles they pull the juror pool out of voter registrations, so that’s a bonus of registering more stupid people.
(They use vehicle registrations too.)
You know, if I were that Victor Yushchenko guy I’d be seriously doing my best to see to it that somebody (preferably an Australian Aboriginal, or perhaps a Peruvian mountaineer) kills Voldemort Putin
. Indeed, I can hardly understand why he’s still walking the earth.
Two large public health clinics that serve primarily black clients, one in Atlanta and one in Birmingham, have had stacks of absentee ballots in their facilites, and have encouraged people to vote (no ID required for absentee) even when the client tells them they are felons who lost the privilege to cast a ballot. They are being told to go ahead and vote and let The State sort it out. This is our federal public health dollars at work; they’ll start doing their jobs and heal the sick once they get Obama in power, by any means necessary.
– Socretes was a brilliant man, and he killed himself so everyone would be sure to notice.
HHow does thor put on Chapstick with his lips firmly planted on Obama’s anus? Tell us, thor, does Obama’s airplane smell like your lips?
I’ve noticed people who watch The Daily Show think themselves uncommonly well-informed.
They are…about comedy!
He’s groggy and reeling from needles and proddings
Body all tired, so resting from blogging…
But do you recall, that one posting which just said it all:
♫ Sing it! ♫
♫ We support the troops and don’t you question
our patriotism or our love (for this fucking filthy crass consumerist bullying country of redneck dolts)
and biblethumping bourgeois suburbanites
with their SUVs and where are the CAFE standards fight the real terror, eco-terror, Israel, the US, imperialist colonialist racist homophobic hegemony
and blah blah blah blah blah.
because dissent is patriotism!
and fighting against your country is really fighting for your country
and our dissent keeps the nation strong
and we’re brave and heroic
up is down and black is white
and oiloiloiloiloiloiloiloil blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.â„¢
I’m depressed. There is impending socialisms in the air and I do not know what to do. All I can think is maybe make a sandwich. That can’t be right. This hasn’t happened before that I can remember so I can’t just do what I did last time. All I know is after they start the socialisms they always fix things to where the socialisms are perpetuitous. But the way they make their socialisms perpetuitous is always both by corrupting political institutions and by debasing a good portion of society to where they are brain dead zombies what are dependent on their socialisms and have little self-regard. Also the media helps a lot as well. Ok. So there’s that. I guess a sandwich then. Maybe something else later but I’m not sure I have my head around this yet.
SarahW, that is brilliant. I just sang it for RTO… and now he’s looking at me like I have antlers growing out of my head.
I am a citizen of a socialist republic.
I am a good citizen of a socialist republic.
Hi. Welcome to my socialist country. Would you like a sandwich?
nah, I just had breakfast.
It is the peoples’ sandwich, maggie. I toasted it.
Is toasting state sanctioned!
Then let the people have it. wait…. does it perhaps have scrambled or fried egg in it?
ohnoes. I way bad don’t want my first socialism to get off on the wrong.
foot.
Hopefully the socialisms will come with a manual.
That would be the right foot, hf, emptied of its bones.
That was for real kind of chilling, the poetry in that, Sdferr.
yeahmebbe, but don’t blame me, I only malappropriated Jeff’s image what for.
I think I get it now.
The old way, it was bad. The new way is much better.
The old way, it was bad. The new way is much better.
Socialist lite sandwiches are healthier, I think. Check the transfat content.
>>There is impending socialisms in the air and I do not know what to do.
As ever, the 80s has the answer
…but what are we to say when supposed knowledgeables like Brooks run themselves off the cliff as well?
Watch that first step! It’s a doozy!
#186 Ric:
I would guess that Gov. Palin has the Jagermonster vote.
For what that is worth.
OBAMA WANTS PIE!!!
sweet potatoe. he’s rambling, the prompter must be on the fritz.
Vote Obama, he can’t possibly screw things up worse!
Ohnoes, Baracky is talking about sweet potato pie. Sounds like creeping socialism to me. What’s next, government cheese?
#196 Haps:
It didn’t happen before? Take a good look at a lot of the New Deal programs. It has before, it will again. See Wickard v Filburn 317 US 111.
It seems to be a pendulum, swinging – always swinging. I doubt even Mr. Ayers’ best efforts can get it to stop in just one place.
Maggie, I owe you a beer. But I don’t have one, so you owe me a beer.
hf said: “I was making egg rolls and what hit me was Paul Wolfowitz.”
Sounds painful.
OTOH, the O would be a disaster for this country. OTOH, this country is already in a disaster from FMFM. OTOOH, this country has been in a disaster for the past 8 yearsof Bush. OTOOOH, this country was in a disaster for the preceding 8 years before that, of Clinton. OTOOOOH, this country was in a disaster with old Reagan. OTOOOOOOOOH, this country was in a disaster with Carter.
This country’s been in a lot of disasters, starting with that 1776 letter to George III, and that 1812 thing, and that thing at Fort Sumter, and that other thing in Ford’s Theater, and that thing with Mexico, and the thing in Cuba, and the thing in 1916, and the thing in 1929, and the thing in 1941, and stuff. Somehow we’re still here.
I’m pissed about the O, but I’m not packing my bags for Australia.
I think you can underestimate how different it is with a compliant media, decades of marketing lore accrued since the New Deal, the attenuation of character after what they did to the schools, and the stranglehold the left has on institutions. Other things but those are top of mind. Baracky is keeping Bush’s Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives around for a reason.
For real this is no time to be philosophical I don’t think.
oh. But I meant it didn’t happen in my lifetime is all. The socialisms what are to be loosed. It’s ironic and evil I think that it’s a lot explicitly the one little thing Pandora had left over what done it to us this time.
ushie. Australia? Me neither. Spiders.
ushie. Australia? Me neither. Spiders.
BTW – has anyone drawn the connection that one of the reasons the media and the coastal elites hate Gov. Palin is because she is a Jacksonian? It seems to me that Hamiltonians and Wilsonians and Jeffersonians really, really do not like Jacksonians, and she seems to be a perfect Jacksonian. I doubt she would fight a duel (or how many), but she has that demeanor and comes from that frontier background.
I’ve noticed people who watch The Daily Show think themselves uncommonly well-informed.
I believe what you are seeing is a boost in confidence as a result of knowing how to handle the political news of the day.
It’s nerve wracking when some one says something about the election, and you don’t know whether to smile, frown, or make a fart joke.
That Stuart guy clears all that awkwardness up.
That’s apt I think, lee.
I think it’s the Alinsky hate thinger more, Mikey. Lots of people have pulled this quote I think.
dicentra hasn’t gotten to that part yet I don’t think. But I haven’t seen a lot of rationale for thinking beyond that with respect to what they did to Sarah. Baracky’s Associated Press especially.
hey, look what I have found in D.Larison comment section:
The Bush Internationale:
Arise ye fearful of deflation,
Arise ye victims of the crunch!
Your paper suffers condemnation,
You don’t have time to go to lunch!
No more the market’s tides shall drown us,
Arise ye bankers, one and all;
Our bonds shall rest on new foundations–
The government will pay them all!
‘Tis a right fine bailout,
Line up now for your pie,
The international rentier class
Has George Bush as its ally!
um… which branch controls the purse strings?
Gads, SarahW, the spiders, indeed! They almost count as ponies!
HF, true, the educational system in theis country for the past 20 or so years seems to have produced both cultural and actual illiteracy in alarming numbers of person who FEEL they are educated enough. Poor stupid things.
OTOH, since that’s my meme for the day, I am educated enough to know I don’t know hardly nothin’.
And I so wish we could throw out EVERY SINGLE member of Congress this November and start all over again. No seniority, no safety, no record of bringin’ home the pork to the home districts.
Random names out of each state’s telephone book. (You wouldn’t have to worry about me; I’m unlisted.)
Hey sashal, the Oliver Stone movie “W” is coming to a theater near you! It even says it’s based on a true story! I’m sure no one will complain if you hiss every time Josh Brolin appears on scene. Make sure you by a large popcorn.
Proving while missing Buckley’s point you’re willing to dumb him down to curb level cliche.
Oh sure, Haps, they are personalizing it. FoMoCo isn’t as much of a focus as Henry Ford is. That is looking at how people think and reacting to it. Why do organizations have mascots after all? Alinsky was only original in compilation – he didn’t add anything that wasn’t already known, and what he compiled can be used against his intended audience – any tactics manual can.
But going under the attacks on personality, you start to ask ‘what is the underlying threat that she represents’ to the self-selected elite? Jacksonian democracy, the common people can run their affairs without self-selected experts doing so. She represents the pack, not a herd mentality, and that is a threat.
Think of Christopher Buckley’s article with that in mind, and makes sense. She upsets the ‘natural order’ of an elite that believes all others are born with a saddle on their backs and they were born booted and spurred and born to ride.
Hi. Welcome to my socialist country. Would you like a sandwich?
Good Citizen ‘feets, Today is Saturday. Bread does not become delivered here until Monday. Meat maybe Wednesday. Do not even ask when Arugula.
Has you been hoarding?
He’s sort of not large in the credibility department though for real, thor. Christopher I mean. Genetically speaking the odds are he’s not as smart as his dad was. That’s where the curve what looks kind of like a bell if you look at it right comes from. I learned that back when we were allowed to talk about that stuff. It may no longer be operative.
Or ‘This peasant is getting a bit above her self’.
The rest of this I will think on later. I’m at work and I runned out of smokes so I need to be not here anymore. Elsewhere is where I’m headed.
233, I never liked movies depicting Hitler or Stalin, what makes you think I will like this one?
I don’t think I will even rent it later for cheap…
That settles it! I refuse to vote for President Bush ever again…oh wait!
There’s always write in, SevenEleventy.
;D
I’M NOT VOTING FOR BUSH, EITHER!
Hey, remember when certain persons were saying that Bush wouldn’t be allowing the 2008 elections because he was gonna set up a dictatorship?
Good times.
Easy credit rip offs, good times!
Dyn-O-mite
#245 ushie:
Yeah! Where are those fascist concentration camps?
Let’s face it, Bush won’t go down well in history cause he slacked off on the ‘evil fascist despot’ thing, just like a legacy admission Yalie would do!
We need some new blood, we need a person, from humble beginnings, one that has risen fast on ability and not family connections, one that is hungry, and hard, and cold, one that will use any connection to any person in this quest, and willing to use power and abuse it to gain a goal.
We need…
(To Be Continued)
And we’re movin’ on up
(movin’ on up)
Barney Frank appreciates any man, especially with Fannie!
Baracky’s Associated Press is working a lot of overtime. Aren’t they union?
Imagine, the Governor of Alaska, traveling to her hometown, in Alaska! Damn Bush, why didn’t he stop her from violating the separation of church in state claus in the Constituition…oh wait!
Imagine, the Governor of Alaska, traveling to her hometown, in Alaska! Damn Bush, why didn’t he stop her from violating the separation of church and state claus in the Constituition…oh wait!
Damn!
Baracky not a “natural born citizen of the USA”?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html
Please excuxe my typos, and I’ll excuse your stupidity!
Oh good! I got a moonbat howling.
Wowza.
So Barack isn’t even a for real American? Better and better, this gets. He could have gone and hopeyed is way to the presidency of any country and he had to pick ours? That blows.
And then George Wallace was shot and crippled for life. Yowza.
Yes, HF,
he could have been the king in any country, but he and his Manchurian handlers picked USA for her superior power, so under his majestic guidance USA will take over the whole world and will push Islam on all humanity, not just here.
that is their -aliens-ultimate goal, because Allah is the God , one and only the true one…
Duh, sasha. I know you’re lying cause him and M’chelle loves the bacon. Morning noon and night it’s bacon bacon bacon with those people. When he sweats Baracky smells like bacons and that’s why his plane stinks. But it’s a good Christian stink I bet. No stinky muslims on that plane that’s for sure.
“We’re bacon eaters” !!!!
Funny how them and just one other person in all googledom ever is declarative eaters of teh bacons. I kinda would have thought it was a more popular meat. Maybe Baracky can do for bacons what Reagan did for jelly beans!
In case David Brooks and Christopher Buckley want to know, we eat our bacon with Franzia Chillable Red. From a box.
wow–semanticleo, thor, sasha1
does idiocy never stop?
baracky: Hey happy you know what sounds good bout now?
happyfeet: Some tasty bacons baracky?
baracky: Damn straight some tasty bacons!
happyfeet: Yay! Bacon time! Bacon time is my favorite!
baracky: You hang with me, happy. Me and M’chelle we loves teh bacons!
happyfeet: Me too, baracky. Me too!
I like making bacon.
does idiocy never stop?
It does if you have TrollHammer.
They’re a constant source of amusement, me.
Your mileage may vary.
Chunky Bacon!!!!
Probably trying to slip a fast one past us…
“We can do better. The American people deserve better.”
John Lewis, George Wallace, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Bull Connor, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, Maxine Waters, Al Gore Sr., Al Gore Jr., Kwame Kilpatrick, Charlie Rangel, Carl Levin, Debbie Stabenow, the list goes on and on. Democrats all. Backstabbing, slit their mothers throat, and sell their soul, for a sip at the fountain of power.
America deserves much, much better than these pernicious political whores.
_why is an awesome dude, urthshu.
Well, I just had a happyfeet moment.
I took Scottish Kate to Trader Joe’s, looking to pick up some Weetabix cereal. There we are, walking around the store and it struck me: these customers are CREEPY. So’s the store.
I saw a label that said something about FLAX in real big letters, and I thought to myself, what, they want me to eat my fucking shirt?
Chicken Fried Bacon, bitches! I may actually go to the fair this year.
If you’ve got one of those little counter-top deep fryers, they make fantastic bacon.
I think I’ve mentioned that here before, actually, but it’s worth mentioning again.
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/11 @ 1:10 pm #
Do you speak English?
I just slow-fry my bacon.
SBP – yep. _why is one of my faves.
I hope Jeff is OK.
My BIL had pins in his shoulder from an old college football injury, he’s in his 50’s now, anyway, he went in recently for an MRI, due a surgery on his neck. Afterwords, he experienced lots of pain in his shoulder, so they did another MRI. Come to find out, the magnetic field from the MRI’s were actually pulling those pins in his shoulders out.
He has a medical Marijuana card now.
Oh. Sorry, this is OT by the way.
274.
I am absolutely 100% positive that,
regardless of what your handlers told you, and regardless of what your momma told you about your intelligence,
you are an absolute moron
oooooh, buuuuuurn.
I usually bake bacon.
#274, no, it doesn’t.
See #290.
shut up, sashal
“Comment by urthshu on 10/11 @ 3:41 pm #
I just slow-fry my bacon.”
12 inch, black cast iron, well seasoned frying pan.
THE tool for a serious cook.
Everything from frying bacon to baking corn bread.
exactly what I use, N.O’brain.
wow–semanticleo, thor, sasha1
does idiocy never stop?
Enjoy, me, you’re watching the Lemieux-Francis-Jagr line of stupid.
email me and I’ll share my old family recipe for baked eggs.
GREAT for a brunch.
sford528 AT comcast.net
Everything from frying bacon to baking corn bread.
I have a recipe from my grandmother using that pan to make the most awesome pineapple upside down cake.
::::drool:::::
My fellow men, please witness the quality in cleo’s zing.
Carin I LOVE you girlie. I still lurk on your website from time to time. Though I am sad that your ghettofab mayor had to resign, he inspired you to post some funny-assed shit.
And we even had thor write the prologue to that epic illumination.
Nicely timed Lisa!
Lisa, are you a Christian?
No thor. Not a Christian. But I like Christians. Some of my best friends are Christians.
“Comment by thor on 10/11 @ 4:10 pm #
#
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/11 @ 2:55 pm #
“No stinky muslims on that plane that’s for sure.’
Good Muslims eat bacon. Bad Christians eat crow…………
My fellow men, please witness the quality in cleo’s zing.”
Oooo, isn’t that sweet.
thor getting a tingling in his anus.
I am starving after reading about bacon, baked eggs, and pineapple upside down cake.
Mmmmm.
Be careful there thor, Lisa has cousins that go to Rev. Wrights church. Don’t make her defend them!
LOL, N’Obrain. Oh come on….Trader Joes is cool. Though I once bought some bread there that literally sprouted like Chia Pet after a few days. Now that was kinda creepy.
Yeah leave my cousins alone, bitches.
>>Some of my best friends are Christians.
.
LOL. OK folks, the comments are disappearing under the stoopit IE we use here at the hotlines. See you tomorrow, hasta la vista [not ms vista though]
Well, Lisa, the good times HAD to end. I sorta like the temporary mayor. He seems like a straight-up guy … for a black man, of course;)
Of course, there is more silliness. Instead of just letting the temporary mayor serve out Kwame’s terms, they’re going to have a bazillion, expensive special elections because the city counsel (Martha Reeves!) say it’s part of the holy “charter.”
Oh, and Lisa you know you’re prolly in trouble with thor. Be prepared to be inauthentically black.
See ya Urths.
OH, last: made this with the cream cheese and brown sugar. Worth it? Hell, I made two.
You are more Christian-like than most in this snake-mean flock of dodos. Speaking of dodos, where is Barrett Brown lately?
Keep it up, stupid, and prove your idiot-cred.
Baracky birth certificate is Kenyan?
Linky
Did thor just cry “wolf”?
Again?
Hee hee Carin. Thor only likes me when I am Cranky Comrade Lisa. He hates it when I am just plain old Two Glasses of Wine and a Xanax Lisa. That really hurts me, you know?
Yeah I hear that the shenanigans haven’t stopped up there yet. But they are not the gold-plated, platinum=studded shenanigans of the Kwame era. He was spectacular! He was even more awesome than Marion Berry (bitch set me up!).
I liked the sentiment of 315 though.
If only you were more credible as an authority on Christian behavior, it might mean something.
Damn Urths, that shit looks good enough to make me go slap someone’s mother.
And you made it with some bacon grease? Mothafucka!!
Slobbers hungrily…
Nah, I like you either way.
Carin’s creeps me, though.
LISA! What up you unrepentant progressive socialist commissar!!!??
Oh and piss off, thor.
That was sweet thor. But Carin is awesome. She is totally aces with me. You have got to be able to disagree with folks….even disagree and be really pissed off about it – but still appreciate people for who they are. Life is more fun that way.
BJTexas! Hey dollface ((hugs))!!
Been awhile, sugar. Will you be able to score an invute to the Obama
Coronationinauguration?Obama’s gonna do it … He;s gonna leeeeead us. Obama’s gonna change things … rearrange things!
Creeped me out.
I try, Lordy I tryin’. But I’m not backin’ down from what I called her, and I’ve qualified my statements with that asterisk of we all say things we later regret. God knows I know first-hand.
But she just keeps bringing it up. As if I’m way out of line in stating she went tone deaf to herself. Fuck her Mr. Bojangles tap dance.
O!
Probably not. I will go to the parade and try to get him to autograph my hammer and sickle armband, though.
Oooo, Lisa. Get him to autograph the Hammer and Sickle Flag! Big bucks on E-Bay!
See, thor? Lisa and I agree on very little politically but we’ve agreed to disagree without being disagreeable and retain our senses of humor.
You? Disagreeable (most times)
Barack Obama is a Maverick! A real reforming Mavericky Maverick-guy!
There, feel better?
God I always miss this place when I am gone. But I have to go. Some liberal elites are picking me up at the south harbor in their yacht, dahling. (Free food and drinks! Woot woot!)
Here’s hoping for many euro’s in your future Lisa.
O!
not really…
America for Americans!!
Push one overboard for me, babe!
thor: could you put that in a song?
BJT, in your defense, you’re not a member of the PW duuuuuuh squadron.
When someone shows up on PW and states they’re voting for O! you don’t generally auto-respond with the brilliantly imaginative “suck my dick, Marxist!”
Hmmm, feeling a little sorry for:
Frank Triana on Historical revisionism revisionism
That’s from September 19.
WON’T SOME ONE HELP THE CHILDREN!
thor , I love you and BJTex. I also like Carin.
She is fine….
Lets see you eat bacon live on TV, Baracky. And none of that turkey bacon.
Hey Serr8d has a post up in the pub you should see.
There is much to chew on .
I enjoy your presence as well.
just recieved e-mail from my friend publius at OW with major discovery.
Andy McCarthy has a major scoop today  he suggests that Bill Ayers not only knows Obama, but that he actually wrote Obama’s book. I was understandably skeptical that Ayers would ghostwrite a book about growing up fatherless and black in a white community, but then I thought — when has McCarthy ever been wrong?
So, I scanned a full text of Dreams of My Father through a program I hacked up here  the iPublius ©  that compares a scanned text with the existing writings of others. The program identifies ghostwriters by analyzing similar “themes, sophistication and signature phraseology.†The results from the iPublius revealed a far darker story than even McCarthy describes. It’s not merely that Obama let Ayres write a chapter of his book, he let lots of other people write other chapters. Here’s the list of authors according to the iPublius:
Preface  Barack Obama
Chpt. 1  Bill Ayers
Chpt. 2  Jeremiah Wright
Chpt. 3  Larry Johnson (ed.  That one surprised me).
Chpt. 4  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Chpt. 5  Billy Mitchell (slimy cheat from King of Kong)
Chpt. 6  Karl Marx (posthumously)
Chpt. 7  Darth Vader
Chpt. 8  The gorilla from Donkey Kong
Chpt. 9  Eric Martin
Chpt. 10  Hamas Q. Muslimman (a Buddhist, ironically)
Chpt. 11  the New Deal
Chpt. 12  Gary Farber
This is an absolute outrage  and I commend McCarthy for getting to the bottom of it.
Egypt: court gives Christian boys to Muslim father
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022952.php
O! is a muslim in Egypt.
Pakistani court awards father custody of Scottish-Pakistani child on grounds that mother left Islam
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012980.php
O! is a muslim in Pakistan.
You think he can be a unifier?
He has done wonders for race relations here domestically…
“Comment by thor on 10/11 @ 5:55 pm #
I enjoy your presence as well.”
You, on the other hand, are like a really nasty intestinal parasite.
I’m glad I don’t live in the city, what with the coming race riots and all.
actually, sashal has been using iPubis to compare via scanning and has found himself wanting.
Don’t feel left out, Lee. The One’s Thugocracy will find you wherever you live.
Now stop it, you’re creeping me out … Marxist! (heh)
Darleen, do you think Obama has promised to those authors, including Marx , cabinet positions in the Obama White House?
Or should we ask Andy McCarthy?
Hockey mom drops the puck:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/11/video-palin-drops-the-puck-makes-it-out-alive/
As I said before, thor-boi is an awful lot like Bill Ayers — both had a rich daddy who was a total failure at raising a civilized human being.
Thor and Ayers beleive that if they’re assholish enough, the bruthas are going to make them honorary blacks or something.
Left unstated: what thor and Ayers must actually think of blacks, such that they think being assholes and/or criminals will endear them to the African American community.
Here’s the thing sashal, Obamas ties to Marx is just as disconcerting to us as W Bush’s ties with evangelical Christians is to you.
The difference is, while Christians go by: “render unto Caesar, what is Caesar’s, etc,”, the left goes by “In the Public Interest”.
In other words, Christians are repelled by the thought of forcing their faith on others, proggs employ it heavily as a tactic.
Thanks for the link dre, and although I’ve said it ad nauseum, FUCK PENN STATE.
Fuck that whole fucking megashit producing state, including Philly.
Fuck Penn Fucking State, bunch of wannabe Massholes.
“proggs employ it heavily as a tactic.”
So does Islam. Right brother Barack Hussein Obama.
Oh.
And I’d rather have Obama in 08 than Kerry in 04 or Gore in 00.
Iraq was important to me.
Wiser men than me have stated repeatedly the most important thing to do now, in order to minimize the effects of Obama 08, is help support and elect Congressmen.
I met Wayne Allard once, he was a nice guy.
He’s leaving the pit of D.C. for good after self-imposed term limits; same with my favorite pol, Tom Coburn, in some more years.
And let’s not forget, let’s NOT forget, the bastards in effect killed Sen. McCarthy when he was only 48 years old, successfully smeared forever.
And there’s also this, my ideological sex kittens: what about the fact that Obama will generate actual leadership from Repulican “leaders”?
No, no, no: for real. Like The Original Troll Hammer, Tom Delay.
Or even Newt.
“I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States even if I say fuck you to this constitution as a foreign born muslim”
Spies, what unfounded crap you spout about both thor and Ayres. I especially like the bit about appealing to the (assumed) asshole/criminal culture of the “blacks.”
Lee, I don’t know about Christians being repelled by forcing their beliefs onto others, but proselytising, ministering, and evangelizing are at best intrusive and at worst intimidating. And certain faith based initiatives are downright coercive.
How about that guy running in Florida? Allen West.
He seems awesome to me!
Yeah, whatever cynn.
Where’s W’s theocracy?
352, the difference being Bush ties are real, Obama’s only in the sick deluded branwashed heads of the remaining gop LOYALISTS….( good thing, many real cons started abandoning the ship-Brooks, Parker,Buckley, Bacevich, Larison and many many others)
Bushes ties to what are real?
Obama’s only what?
Please try to be clear.
Where’s W’s theocracy?
I’m wondering that myself. Sashal seems to be in on the impending takeover of the US by Pastor Hagee….give it up, Sash.
Halftime: Penn State 24 Wisconsin 7
Bitch.
Oh, by the way…
Phillies 2 Dodgers 0
bitch
There you go, BJT. You know what counts.
kill those dodgers.
Manny is an asshole…..
damn. Dodgers need to win I think to where boss person’s boss person who will be in LA next week has a game to go to or we all have to go out to dinner with him and I think that would be the night of that third debate thinger. Also Alyssa will be sad.
Also that just makes for kind of a long day.
I don’t really know how these whatever playoffs work though so I might could be wrong.
Third Quarter: Penn State 31 Wisconsin 7
bitch
Not you, cynn. And yes, I know what’s important.
Sashal, Manny’s a great player and an easy hall of famer but what he did in Boston in July was beyond despicable. Just an added incentive to root for the Phillies.
However, if my my Phillies success ruins happyfeet’s debate evening I shall allocate a 2 full minutes to be despondent. OK, maybe three., but that’s final.
Thanks, BJ. What’s worse is we’re in a cutback sort of mode so there’s no reason to think we’re even gonna go somewhere nice. There’s a real danger they might could drag my ass to CityWalk.
Oh Noes.
Not City Walk!
Say, what’s City Walk?
What, hf, you’ll have to walk while you eat?
Nekulturniy (spelling?)
Penn State 38 Wisconsin 7
I think that means Penn State are, in fact, the fuckers, doncha know?
Obama: what fun Liberal Fascism. Joey Hairplugs is the straight white guy. Hooray?
On the plus side, Fresno State is beating Idaho State.
Eat it Gov. Palin!!
Spies, what unfounded crap you spout about both thor and Ayres. I especially like the bit about appealing to the (assumed) asshole/criminal culture of the “blacks.â€Â
Based on their own words in both cases, cynn.
So if there’s any “crap” involved, you need to talk to Billyboi and thor.
And it’s “Ayers”.
I’d provide links, but you’ve already demonstrated that you refuse to click on those “orange things”, especially if they contradict your moronic prejudices.
Marxist piece of trash
not even a real American
October surprise
lying sack of shit
show the birth certiicate
who are you really
cynn no likey the links
does not care for news that stinks
O’s Kool Aid she drinks
O is quite effete
pointed out by happyfeet
November defeat
You listen to Creed.
O is loved by thor
whose butt raped ass is sore
still comes back for more
Todd seems to be a hit.
I think i’ll have a S’more.
vodka leaking from my pore
drinking shots with lily thor
then we’re lying on the floor
like a fifty dollar whore
hey, easylivin, what’s the score?
Penn State 48 Wisconsin 7 (Game’s a bore)
thor hates him some Creed
offers to swallow O’s seed
likes the dirty deed
obviously too late
you bet against Penn State
change you really hate
Yeah, and Tantric too, because those fuckers can play. Scott Stapp is a fuckface, though. You two should hang out.
Prescient.
talk some more shit thor
from the city on the shore
a pussy for sure
proselytising, ministering, and evangelizing are at best intrusive and at worst intimidating
cynn, she don’t really like that First Amendment thingy
Just like Baraky
you know what I think
O’s favorite color is pink
Saul-cialistic stink
Red Sox – Rays is a barnburner. Tied at 8 in the 8th on a wild pitch. Real announcer quote: “It’s official. We’ve seen everything.”
cheddar heads are dead
wager on baseball instead
better go to bed
What happened to Kazmir?
OT: Does anyone remember the link to the article on Obama, Ayers, and the Cloven Piven Strategy? I thought I saw it on PW, but can’t remember which post.
Thanks.
P.J: It’s the Cloward-Piven strategy.
Spies, thank you. No wonder Google was of no use to me.
BJTexs,
Since you’re too fucking stupid to understand, don’t realize you support the worst team ever.
In professional sports in America.
That’s it. The most losingest team in the history of professional sports is your baseball team.
I understand how you can’t contemplate how this season will end, but it won’t matter.
The PhilliesPhucholedouchepockets have lost more than any other team.
Ever.
In professional sports.
You fucking little cunt.
And hey,
Sream “bitch” more.
It’s, sadly by far, your best argument.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/phillies/2007-07-02-Loser-Phillies_N.htm
BJTexs,
You dumb cockbitch, please admit you cheer the worst team in the history of sports.
You are a testiment to foolishness and, most likely, swinishness.
There could not be a bigger loser than you; a fan of the greatest loser ever.
Cunt.
The Phillies went 47-107 in 1961 and finished 46 games out of first place, but the lowest point was a 23-game losing streak that remains the majors’ longest since 1900.
Of the eight pre-expansion National League teams, the Phillies have been to the World Series the fewest times.
“I don’t want to talk about the 10,000 losses,” Schmidt says. “It’s not that big of deal. It says that the team has been around a while and had some bad years.”
That’s the type of misleading shit Jeff won’t tolerate, BJTexs.
You fucking cuntwhore.
LOSER DEFINES YOU MORE THAN ANY OTHER SPORTS FAN EVER.
is late. I didn’t bring home my new machine thing but we got to visit. easyliving1 twisted off while I was gone. That’s happening a lot to people. Like maybe there are side effects from the media twisting off generally. A lot of people I think have adjustment troubles with being immersed in non-reality based news. NPR had a lot prepared me, but I imagine it’s unnerving even for some people on the left who are sensitive to that sort of thing.
It can’t feel exactly same as victory I wouldn’t think.
hf,
I have had some of the best non-reality based news training in the world. Iraqi rumors. We have a newsletter, the Baghdad Mosquito, they publish the latest rumors our folks, interpreters and man on the street interviews turn up. They are fun.
Reminds me of a part of P.J. O’Rourke’s discussion of the toppling of Manuel Noriega – when P.J. was in Panama, he ran into “radio bemba”. He spent a night in a club and reported on the rumors he heard:
“Manuel Noriega has personally selected and deflowered the last 5 Miss Panamas”
“Manuel Noriega’s wife had his mistress killed because she was pregnant”
“Werewolves are loose in the Panamanian countryside”
easylivin: Is your team playing in either of the Championship Series?
I thought not … bitch.
Tell it to the Cubs … bitch. You’d have to admit first what an elitist, wacked out sports fruitcake you are.
Are you a Mets fan? How’s that collection going for those case hardened chisels to pry open those fort clenched tight choking sphincters?
Final: Penn State 48 Wisconsin 7 They’ll be ranked third or fourth by Monday.
Anymore ancient history? bitch
Hi, Maj John, hf! BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hoped up on cold medicines, I am.
U of Toledo beat MICHIGAN yesterday! I usually try to stay out of the fray (I get it coming and going in this family), but little bitty Toledo (a MAC school, I believe) beating Michigan. Double HA. I may have my mil bring me up a t-shirt for when my cousin comes up for the Michigan/Michigan state game.
Everyone, it appears, is sick with a cold. I hope you all washed your hands before you typed.
Hey, Carin. It looks like it’s you and me, babe. I just called in and told them I wouldn’t be at church today (I direct a kid’s choir using much more tasteful language than I used with easylivin) due to the hacking and fever and sweats for 4 days, now. My home is the Ugandan jungle of disease at the moment.
One wonders if Rich Rodriguez, new coach of Michigan, is rethinking his precipitous move from WV. He had a nice gig there and that team actually won a few games.
Big Ten game to circle next Saturday – Penn State at Ohio State. That is the 500 Lb gorilla the Nits have to beat in order to be considered a real national threat.
BTW: Is Kwamee gettin’ any jail time and how’s the wife of that congressman doing?
“Comment by easyliving1 on 10/12 @ 2:15 am #
The Phillies went 47-107 in 1961 and finished 46 games out of first place, but the lowest point was a 23-game losing streak that remains the majors’ longest since 1900.”
I lived through it, fuck you very much.
Kwame isn’t in jail yet – I think he’s awaiting sentencing. He moved out of the mansion, and then the family went on vacation. @@.
We haven’t heard much from Monica Conyers – since her performance at the convention. But, give it time. She can’t mind her Ps and Qs forever. But, the city counsel has come to some pretty bonehead decisions lately. Their decisions regarding the special election, for example. Idiotic. Huge expense for a broke city.
Not to change subject ( I don’t think the NFL has been brought up yet) but the Lions are doing spectacularly craptatical this year.
And that fucker Ford has a huge Obama sign in his front yard. My grandpop is visiting me, and a personal friend is his next-door-neighbor. Ford put the sign, at first, in their yard.
“Everyone, it appears, is sick with a cold.”
My side of the State too, myself included for a week now. A nasty one going around.
Sounds like the one I have, along with my son and daughter. My wife is flinging boiling water in a circle around her, which makes things exciting. sinus and upper chest with that feel like unset Jello malaise.
O’Brain: Don’t give the bitch any ground. Phillies up 2-0, that’s all he needs to contemplate.
Carin: Us football fans will ponder for years one of the great mysteries of the universe: How did Matt Millen have a job for, what, 6 years? It defies quantifiable logic.
But they packed the stadium anyway, BJT, and the Fords made money.
Bar-EEE, Bar-EEE!
Carin, how’s the state feeling about that Granholm person these days? I’m guessing the rust belt’s Socialist Savior didn’t quite work out so well.
I say we try it nationally next. What a zoo…
There is a similar sentiment in Massachusetts with Duval Patrick. My boss was one of his biggest boosters and he’s feeling the regret what with the unbridled social program spending and the now ginormous budget shortfall, second only to California as a percentage of total budget.
Can’t wait to read Ifill’s book, especially the section on Patrick.
#422 geoffb (JAIRP):
Whatever it is has gone through Lansing. A couple of people in my office had it, but it missed me – so far.
No one is doing (or at least publishing) Granholm popularity polls. It’s a don’t ask, don’t tell kinda thing. She’s been laying low.
BJTexas and Carin
Ick…my sympathies for the first colds of the season. Knock on wood I’m only suffering from allergies (whatever is blooming in the fall in So Cal gets me… much worse than spring).
I’m scheduled for a flu shot next week. Get that puppy done early.
Watched USC pound Arizona into the turf of the Colesium yesterday. Not that that totally absolves them of their wimpy loss to Oregon two weeks ago, but I think my dad is now out of his funk about it.
Oh, I’m not sick. I was just up early with Bjt. I only mention it because if I do get sick, I’ll be attempting to suck sympathy where ever I can get it. Lord knows it won’t be from my family.
“Yea, I know you feel horrible, mom, but what’s for dinner?
I’m basking in the sickly glory of having the condo to myself. Hot tea, diluted orange juice and a mindless David Eddings fantasy to keep me moderately entertained.
Darleen: No amount of turf pounding wins will absolve that USC team from that abysmal performance against those Oregoners. It was as if the entire team decided to mail it in. Then again, it appears no one is interested in holding onto the top 5 spots in the polls this year. I am frankly flabbergasted that Penn State will probably be 3 or 4 when the polls are released. They may lose to Ohio State next week even though it appears that OU can’t score to save their lives. The Big Ten is really being exposed this year as overrated.
Carin, what’s for dinner? Answer: “Whatever you want to make, munchkin.”
And lo, Barry said, “Those are not the industrialists I thought I knew.”
Hope you feel better soonest Jeff.