Dear Friends and supporters:
We here in Obamalot encourage that you kindly refrain from attacks on Bristol Palin and Sarah Palin, specifically when it comes to issues relating to their families. We've done some asking around, you see, and such a strategy is unlikely to hurt Senator McCain with his base -- and may actually help him with both undecideds and people with, like, souls.
So we ask that you please use the following approved anti-Palin/McCain talking points -- to be released officially at a later date.
Thank you for your prompt consideration to this pressing matter,
The One
ps. YOU'RE KILLING ME! PLEASE, PLEASE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!
I would say this is presidential behavior, as opposed to trailertrash/britney spears promotion of celebrity pregnacy in underage girls.
And your opinion has proven to be so valuable!
underage girls
The age of consent in Alaska is 16.
You will now, of course, apologize for the slander and refrain from repeating it in the future.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Who am I kidding?
Promotion, nishtoon?
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Then again, I’m fluent in, like, English and shit.
Before Palin was “lying to cover it up.” Now she’s “celebrating it” and “using it.” All proximate causes and consideration bracketed, of course.
Win win!
Okay, family time! Have a good one, folks!
By the way, I really would be careful about using that one, nishi.
You can say just about anything you want about a politician or public figure, but the father of Bristol’s child is neither of those.
Falsely accusing him of having sex with an underage girl is both reprehensible and actionable.
Watch your step, hunny.
Preach it, nishfong, preach it! You are sounding more like Hagee everyday!
Hey, I say that dKos and fellow travelers need to ratchet that amp up to ELEVEN!!!111!!1!
Shout it from the rooftops, lefties! Invent the nastiest rumors you can think of and seed them throughout the Internet! Y’all over at Media Matters, don’t forget to type them all into Olberman’s teleprompter.
Be loud! Be proud!
Again, Nishi, he’s saying that attacking Bristol is bad politics and will get you tarred as an asshole.
Which means you…
Here you go, nishi
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&eurl
learn to do it right.
Ya know, I’d rather have a president who doesn’t have to tell his constituency that attacking an opponent’s children is wrong than one who has to point that out.
Is Baracky on-message? I can’t tell anymore.
You too, Jeff. I’m about to fire up the grill and crack a cold one myself.
“#Comment by happyfeet on 9/1 @ 2:58 pm #
Is Baracky on-message? I can’t tell anymore.”
Change you can believe in.
[…] More or less as Jeff predicted. […]
Poor nishi, getting stupider by the day. I could suggest so many insulting bio-medical reasons for her stupidity embiggening, but then I’d be like a koskid, andi, or…her.
“Okay, family time!”
Sure, Jeff, we know what that really means. To paraphrase the latest PW troll/punching bag/sockpuppet mike, “You are all Hipocrates!”
I see Insty points to a Wired article discussing a claim that Sarah is a hacker.
So that’s another constituency in the bag.
They forgot this one:
SHE CAN’T EVEN CONTROL HER OWN DAUGHTER!!1!!eleventy!!1!
Obama’s comments on his supporters rabid and disgusting witch hunt, Im sorry to say, ring hollow.
As I will give him the benefit of the doubt on directly being involved in this vile smear tactic to some degree he undeniably is for the simple fact that in his quest to find like minded people who support his views, he once again failed to vet those he asociates with.
The problem that many people have with Obama is that he asociates himself with shady and corrupt individuals/orginizations as he did once again with these kooky website people.
The fact is that this is just a tiny slice of reality that pretty much anyone can see happen with the exception of Obama….if you activley align yourself with vile people, you have no control of situations such as this and the whole deal spirals out of control.
Yhe fact is Obama has an ongoing problem in showing exremley bad judgment in those he aligns himself with for personal gain, and the thought of him being President is unthinkable being he cant make simple, basic calls of good judgment, it’s an undeniable pattern and eliminates him from having any chance of getting my vote.
The last thought is that a pretty large amount of the American population can relate to Gov. Palin in a variety of ways, they sure as heck dont relate to the minions that Obama seems to pick up while sewer trolling for support.
“We’re filth! We’re filth! We come from filth, we’re going to filth! We’re filth! We’re filth!”
Seems… apropos.
Within about an hour of the announcement, I commented on Ace of Spades that being a pro-life woman seeking higher office meant that Sarah Palin’s sex life was “fair game” for rumors, true or false. (I specifically used the words “fair game”)
Of course, she doesn’t have much of a sex life outside of her marriage, because she married her H.S. sweetheart. Which figures. Our first woman (vice) president has to be some kind of sexual saint with minimal original sin.
But I’m just a naive little babe in the woods. It didn’t occur to me within an hour of the pick that DKos would spread rumors about her children. Markos is such a swine.
“Comment by Drider on 9/1 @ 4:13 pm #
As I will give him the benefit of the doubt on directly being involved in this vile smear tactic…”
Ummm….why?
I’ll give Barack the benefit of the doubt here, and say that he means the point amicably. I’m not of the opinion that he is incapable of nobility.
Of course it doesn’t mean that the cesspool he calls his base will take his cue.
Would you like some more rope, nishi? I’ve got just enough over here.
I don’t understand what the Messiah is worried about. Here is a shining example of the nuanced, uniting rhetoric of one of his supporters from a previous thread:
Comment by Ian on 9/1 @ 3:18 pm #
SBP and Sifty,
I live in a city of 180,000 and can drive 15 miles in any direction and be in monster truck, WWF, confederate-flag-in-the-back-window-to-keep-dust-off-the-gun rack heaven. I was simply passing on a statement from someone in the Governor’s own back yard. We ignorant elitists are everywhere, don’t you know. Being a hillbilly is not necessarily location specific – its more a state of mind(less). Palin 2009 – right after J Mac has a massive heart attack when the democratic congress doesn’t rubberstamp his zany ideas, like nuking all those Sunnis (cue Lieberman) in Iran.
Enough for me. People like you and I aren’t going to be swayed by anyone elses opinion and the fleeting satisfaction of this intellectual pissing contest has thus lost its allure. Maybe your arguments would be better aimed at those who voted for Dubya in 2004 – after voting for him in 2000. Came up with a new saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shoot me, please – I’m too dumb to live.
Can you feel the love of his fellow man here?
If he wasn’t always dissembling, you’d almost think B.O. gets it, maybe this once, about this one thing…or part of it.
My mother was very like his (in a few ways), and she had me when she was 17, too, which is a thing about him (and her) I’ve never found interesting. Not because we share it, but because it wasn’t even slightly odd at the time (his or mine).
There’s been a psychological Singularity about this, I know — pushed by abotion-lovers (to blacks) and pedo-scaremongers (to whites), mostly — but seriously: this “too young” shit has only been around in its current hard-line form for, like, five years. (You can remember if you try.)
And this meme-rapture definitely left behind a couple demographics — chief among them, Palin’s. I don’t even know where the idea that “religious right” types are all OMG NOEZ at pregnant teenagers comes from. Not the Bible, obviously. And out here in real life, they seem to like them. A lot.
I don’t chum around with teh Christianists or anything (they don’t drink enough to hang), and the ones I do know are mostly Farrakhan types, but
Hey! I just saw someone I kinda second-hand know throwing shit (that may have been literal shit) at RNC-goers on TV. How sweet. Anyway–
but I’ve met some, and this whole pregnant-daughter thing, in whichever variant, is, at worst, nothing to them. And it’s more likely to make them bond with the Palin-image than to reject her.
Maybe that‘s what O knows. It is really hard to believe he’s actually empathizing with anybody.
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Baracky says what they tell him to say. You can tell when it’s his own thinkings cause that’s when he does the um um um thing.
Quite honestly, if he actually told those ‘tards to shut the fuck up, I’d have some respect for him.
It comes from two features of the left — their dedication to believing the worst of their opponents, and their inability to distinguish between fiction and reality. An example of the first is their constant attribution of various schemes to Republicans in general and Bush in particular — though that may be projection. As for the second, well, they believe Michael Moore makes documentaries.
Asking for the crazy masses to keep their hands off is a good and decent thing to do. I think he’s trying to alienate his base by showing goodness and decency.
by telling his suporterrs to stop telling the TRUE storeis about incestbaby palin obama shows how wise & smart & brave he is so we dont have to stop telling the TRUTH
@33
and thus it is proved.
i guess we are also supposed to ignore Mr. Palin’s drunk driving conviction.
lissen up cudlips.
did mccain vet Church Lady at all?
show relly bad judgment IMHO
#21 Drider
Maybe, but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt on this one: he has daughters of his own and I imagine this has all been very “cringe-worthy” to him. That he has thus far given tacit approval to the Nutroots’ adolescent smear tactics makes it more of a “hoist on his own petard” scenario… hence, the “STFU, you morons!” official Media statement.
“…incestbaby…” “…TRUE…” “…TRUTH…”
WTF?
trailertrash
undereducated, poor breeding, and only teh stoopid belive in creationism
not presidential a tal
& barak is so cool & sexy & smart not like wite trahs palin who just ran a pisannt state & town wile he was orgainzing in CHICHAGO & mihcell obama dnt hav too many incestbabis to burn resurcsescs & melt isechapps kiliign ploarbresa
Whoever is parodying nishi: Nice job, but your spelling and grammar are a little too good. Also, try a bit harder to avoid expressing a coherent thought.
Is someone fooling around with a “Random Troll Comment Generator”? Because #33 makes no damn sense at all.
wingrs dnot CAER abt prolabaers theyr so cuet w/sikly fur & big dark eyees jus lik brak
but then, neither is Bush.
;)
look for the leftist blogs to paint Palin as Bush in drag…..which she is, idealogically, btw
the media, the genes (hehe), but ric, slavery was trying to trumph everything. And i don’t get even. im sure that disagreement is what he developed before any other bullshit attacks on science, dude, that disagreement is what about abortion. but i was ok, women not just read the way to learn IDT, they can still flog expelled on dozens of the Founders were conversant in the scientific method is equal under the core social mores developed his unelectability chops. actually, i think you would it might be wrong. science is utter bullshit!
Ah, no, Gov. Palin is more conservative than Bush in a lot of ways. But please, you kids have your fun and we’ll see O! put out a “Again, will you PLEASE just shut the fuck up!” statement.
nishi, as I observed above, you owe the father of Bristol’s child an apology for suggesting that he’s guilty of sexual abuse of a minor (a felony under Alaska Statutes).
Better cough it up, hunny. Pronto.
Unfortunately for Obama’s attempts to regain control of the narrative dKos is pretty much the blogosphere standard-bearer for his movement. The Kos Kiddies are Obamaism.
Whoever’s responsible for #44, FREAKING HILARIOUS!
Sometimes I have a hard time trying to figure out what the fuck Jeff is on about ’cause of the obscure words and gangly sentence structure. But this falconer dude is a real challenge. Fortuneately I’m pretty sure there’s nothing there worth decoding.
So the party of the Kennedys is going to attack someone — who isn’t even running for office — for a DUI 22 years ago?
Is Patrick Kennedy still in office?
Is Patrick Kennedy still in office?
‘Course not, dude. Congress isn’t even is session now, why would I be in the office?
Nishi
You idiot. You write:
guess we are also supposed to ignore Mr. Palin’s drunk driving conviction.
dipshit – you can pay attention to the husband of the vice presidential candidate getting a D.U.I.
But, if you are able to think beyone 2 seconds ago, remember, your leftard Presidential candidate admits to selling cocaine. Which is worse? Not only is your asshole candidate an affirmative action admission at Harvard law (has he released his college grades, LSAT score, or law school grades yet); he is an affirmative action pick onto the law review (again, he did not grade on or write on – so he could only get on to law review through affirmative action); he has not accomplished anything in life aside from getting elected (name one important piece of legislation he has authored); he’s written no articles or anything else to demonstrate academic ability; he’s done nothing courageous in his life; he’s never sacraficed anything for any cause; he’s never accomplished anything outside of elected office. the man is as empty a suit as exists, with no real proof of intellectual bona fides nor even a consistent set of policy ideas (he swithces his stances 180 degrees within weeks of taking a stance based on polls). What exactly is it about your coke-selling failure of a candidate that you find so great?
If you had any rationality or decency at all, I would be shocked. You write like a 12 year-old girl and obviously think like one as well. My guess is that you are so much a lefty because you live on the governmetn teat – some kind of DSS or other entitled program that you don’t deserve, and simply want the rest of us to keep paying your way. I can’t imagine that anyone is willing to employ someone as vile and stupid as you are.
Facts about Obama:
He was an affirmative action admission at Harvard law (has he released his college grades, LSAT score, or law school grades yet);
He was an affirmative action pick onto the law review (again, he did not grade on or write on – so he could only get on to law review through affirmative action);
He has not accomplished anything as an elected offical – name one important piece of legislation he has authored);
He’s written no articles or anything else to demonstrate academic ability;
he’s done nothing courageous in his life, not even taking a courageous stance on any legislation (Mr. “present” on controversial bills);
he’s never sacraficed anything for any cause;
he’s never accomplished anything outside of elected office.
the man is as empty a suit as exists, with no real proof of intellectual bona fides nor even a consistent set of policy ideas (he swithces his stances 180 degrees within weeks of taking a stance based on polls).
He went to a church for 20 years where hatred of white people was routinely preached and hatred of america was routinely preached.
he worked closesly with and was friends with an admitted and unrepetent domestic terrorist;
he voted to legalize killing babies that were already born;
He has a shady financial relationship with convicted felon Rezko.
What exactly is it about this admitted cocaine dealer that the left finds so great?
Funny thing is, the more the right says “Uh, you may not want to go there…”, the faster they’ll go there.
I like how the O! yanked O! bin Biden from the Labor Day parade in Pittsburgh.
linky
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isDJtCHPKjJvOsYCKA2V3xFub3RgD92U140G1
rethugs HAET poralbears but itsok bcuz barak luvs em & wont let habilurtn melt teh isechaps for OIL & palinz a xtian & haz 2 many babys & deostn luv hte prolarbreas lik brak deos & i luv palorbeeaeras & ombaba 2 & i kidna fel fuunnny gota go noww
nishi, even Y.T. would look at you now and, with a glowing orange sticker slapped on your forehead, opine THAT WAS STALE.
Problem: you’ve grown up. Without, yourself, noticing.
Nishit,
rethugs HAET poralbears I don’t hate polar bears, they taste like chicken.
but itsok bcuz barak luvs em & wont let habilurtn melt teh isechaps for OIL He can’t stop us. We are going to melt the icecaps.
& palinz a xtian & haz 2 many babys How can you ever have too many babies? We have to build our army.
& deostn luv hte prolarbreas lik brak deos & i luv palorbeeaeras & ombaba 2 & i kidna fel fuunnny gota go noww
That funny feeling is the dizzyness you get when you try to engage in adult conversation. You should read to your reading comprehension level, which appears to be about that of a 12 year old girl. Trying to engage with people at this site who are so much more intelligent than you is only going to cause you dizziness and feelings of low self worth.
Great Banana, don’t look now, but you done been punked!
Guys, that’s not nishi — just a fabulous simulation of her.
Says something that it’s no longer possible to distinguish the parody from the original.
I am just waiting for someone at the Gov. offices in Alaska to accuse Palin of sexual harrasment and suggest she constantly talked about the movie “Deep Throat”. Then we can really get this show on the road.
There’s a valuable bit of redemption in all of this.
Just think – no matter how bad your life may seem when you lay down to sleep, at least you don’t wake up at three a.m. and realize your professional future is in the hands of people who think that Keith Olberman is a journalist.
Small blessings. Count ’em all.
Collect the whole set!
Nishi is getting as shrill as tor. McCain must be doing something right.
Guess what I’m finding hilarious about the Bristol pregnancy is that, of the lefties I know, all of them work with …unwed mothers. Heck, some of them *are*.
All of ’em are shaking their heads sadly at this crap.
i am Teh Kourier
and here is the message.
Sarah Palin is not qualled to be CinC, and McCain has not sufficiently vetted her.
She will be defined by her positions on abortion and creationism–on social issues.
In her own words.
This country is not and never has been governed by cudlips.
Even McCain is an Elite.
Bush was an Elite.
Jefferson was an Elite.
We will never elect Joesixpack to run the country.
we dont believe he can do it.
the more Palin tries to normalize herself, the less enthused the theocons will be.
Extremes are unelectable.
And, sadly, cudlips are unelectable too.
nishi, I wasn’t fooling about apologizing for that libelous statement. Really.
That’s nice. Off to bed with you now.
My timing sucketh.
Nishi capitalizes Sarah and McCain’s name, yet referes to herself as “i”.
Her sub-conscience is more honest than she would like, perhaps.
2 things –
She isn’t running for CinC
But also: You don’t like her b/c you see her as a prole. That threatens you b/c if she makes it and does well, then who the fuck are you? Nobody, thats who, and the reality-based community abhors reality-tests.
Jeff, Thank God you and others are out there fighting against this personal and violent attack on a child with the purpose of destroying her Mom’s candidacy. I have not been so outraged since I obtained the right to vote some twenty years ago. Don’t be weary, this battle will be one by people who have souls and believe in decency. Those that operate in a world of violence and personal destruction will never win.
It’s a good thing that McCain/Palin aren’t (yet) as vindictive as Obama when it comes to filing charges and/or lawsuits. A simple subpoena and and nishbot’s ISP coughs up her identity. At which point, she finds herself explaining to a jury why she was falsely accusing a kid of a felony.
But hey, it’s the Chicago Way, or so O! tells us.
Better walk it back while you can, nishi.
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Power to the Proletariat! [Unless she’s a fkn Reublican!]
Keep it up….
I don’t chum around with teh Christianists or anything …and the ones I do know are mostly Farrakhan types
Before I try to figure this one out, did we ever decipher Jeff’s, “Alinsky’s chapstik?”
Jeff, u know its the truth.
We dont elect Joesixpack.
Even if he has boobs.
We dont elect Joesixpack.
People do, however, file defamation suits against illiterate children who accuse people of felonies.
Not that they’d get much out of you, I’m sure, but they might take it on pour encourager les autres.
Apologize. Now.
sbp, do u know how many thousand ppl read and post at dKos?
theres a whole lot of stuff out there.
and….actuallly, at this site, ive been invited to fuck myself with a rusty jackhandle, told to do vile things in japanese, called a lot of names and been the target of dKos style venom torrents.
have i ever replied in kind?
I dont relly see any difference between dKos and PW anymore.
two sides of the mirror
69 had the right cadence. Hishithead – Your doctors advise, you should listen to.
sbp, do u know how many thousand ppl read and post at dKos?
Not talking about dKos, nishbot.
ive been invited to fuck myself with a rusty jackhandle
You’re putting yourself in the middle of the fray, nishi. This poor kid who did nothing more than have sex with his girlfriend didn’t.
Apologize.
I suspect early onset. Maybe just full blown dementia. Or you are just a feeble-minded retard. Or, all of the above.
So your point is, if the jackhandle didn’t sue for defamation, neither should the father of Sarah Palin’s unborn grandchild?
Please, do not engage the retarded talking telephone pole.
Yo, ishiishiro.
Is it 731, yet?
I thought Biden was “Joe Sixpack”
I still have no idea what “cudlips” means.
Ahh… The talking telephone pole read it in a… get this… science fiction book. That’s right — once more its inability to distinguish between reality and fiction.
It means, basically “human”, and is a term of abuse directed at the bulk of humanity by characters who have gone through magical genetic engineering. It’s a synonym for “untermenschen”.
Charming little bitch, isn’t she?
ATTACK OF THE NON-JOE-SIXPACKS!!!11!
If this keeps up, Obama isn’t even going to get 30% of the vote in November.
Jeff, u know its the truth.
We dont elect Joesixpack.
Even if he has boobs.
Uh. You elected Clinton. And quit talking about his boobs. He’s sensative about them.
No, he’s Joey Hair Plugs. I know, it’s hard to keep these things straight.
sbp, do u know how many thousand ppl read and post at dKos?
Almost enough to elect Ned Lamont.
So is it nishfong’s contention that Joe Biden is leet?
The bottom of his class at Delaware and Syracuse, and this makes him mad leet?
What an awesome pick. Usually I kind of shy away from endorsing anything that looks like identity politics but I think Sarah P has really drawn out a misogyny in this country I really didn’t know was there.
I knew Baracky’s people hated Hillary but attacking 16 year old girls means this hate runs really a lot deeper than I think most people knew. For Sarah P to rise above this with grace and strength and class, it’s a very real opportunity for women. I don’t think Sarah P has to push back so much as to just expose the hatred of women that permeates Baracky’s movement. The left has a lot of self-examination to do. After this. I think that would be a lot to expect right now. But later.
B Moe –
“Almost enough to elect Ned Lamont.”
And the riderless horse peels away from the fight, fresh blood bright on the dusty leather. The empty stirrups flap madly, only increasing the animal’s mindless terror.
Well done, sir.
Oh God.
Tonight on CNN, when Wolf Blitzer was attacking Bristol – holy shit. That’s all I can say. I’ve never witnessed anything so disgusting. This is pure lunacy. I actually CRIED in my hands when I heard that bitch CNN reporter say “she’s still investigating the kids” and plans on bringing “more stories about them”.
I’ve never been gripped by the urge to murder someone on TV before. This is just. incredible.
This has made it to CNN?
Do these people not know about backlash?
Now, how did you all treat Chelsea Clinton?
Treated her like TRASH didn’t you?
hmmmmmmm?
seems like McCain really picked a floozy didn’t he. Like Cindy!
“I thought Biden was “Joe Sixpack—
Joe Sixpack doesn’t talk about the violence against women act judicial philosophies much. Does he?
No.
Now, how did you all treat Chelsea Clinton?
I thought she was kind of cute, in a nerdette sort of way, and said so at the time.
Now, how did you all treat Chelsea Clinton?
Treated her like TRASH didn’t you?
hmmmmmmm?
I don’t seem to recall anyone delving into her sexual habits, no. Can you enlighten us?
Well I’m the same age as Chelsea. I don’t remember ANYTHING like this back then. Not even close. This is so awful I’m probably going to to dream about it tonight.
Jeremiah Wright, Jeremiah Wright, Jeremiah Wright, and did I say Jeremiah Wright.
happyfeet –
“Usually I kind of shy away from endorsing anything that looks like identity politics but I think Sarah P has really drawn out a misogyny in this country I really didn’t know was there.”
I think the last seventy two hours have been a combination of the Left attacking from the identity playbook out of reflex… and as everyone unconsciously knew they would have to do, being … well, the Left… and the growing realization that Palin’s sex, CV, and marital status or history are the very LAST things that the Left need to be worrying about.
A very sweet move by McCain’s campaign. In a sword fight, this move would fall just sort of la fleche in terms of audacity… and effectiveness.
I maintain that “identity” politics was considered only so far as it would suck a grundle of the Obamaniacs out into the open and give them prime opportunities to make fools of themselves.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Now, how did you all treat Chelsea Clinton?
Don’t know about anybody else here, but I wouldn’t listen to Limbaugh for years because of the Chelsea jokes. It wasn’t until I read a written apology by him that I started listening. I can’t speak for “you all”, especially since I was a Clinton supporter to begin with, but I don’t abide by this bullshit period. I have never said anything about the Obama children except agreeing with Happyfeet once that Barry and Michelle definitely knew how to make some pretty babies. And I stand by that to this day. Those are some very pretty babies the Obama’s got.
I may be guilty of not paying enough (read any) attention to Chelsea Clinton since I’ve long thought of her as to young to be of any importance in the political world her parents occupy. For all I know she may be the next great up and comer of her generation. Is she? There’s plenty of time to wait and see.
Wolf Blitzer and Mort Kondracke for GOD’S SAKES!!!! Discussing a 17-year-old’s sexuality on national television, to score political points!!!!!!
I hope that girl is on a suicide watch. UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
Was Jeremiah Wright speaking out today?
Talking Point:
“What does his selection of Gov. Sarah Palin say about the kind of President John McCain would be? “
Um, that he’s a decent human being willing to overlook a private family matter and select a running mate he’s comfortable with even if it might possibly threaten his candidacy versus selecting a “safe” old white man who makes up for his grossly inadequate resume?
Would anyone consider Obama or Biden unqualified if their 17 YO daughter were pregnant?
Did CNN not get Obama’s memo? Or are they now thinking, we made this guy, so we’ll be DAMNED if we let him tell us how to run his campaign.
You know how uppity these types can get.
Hmm… haven’t been paying much attention to Chelsea lately, but it appears she’s grown into her looks. Not bad at all.
B. Moe, I, too, was a Clinton supporter at one time.
But Obama’s dead mom was fair game though! And his elderly grandmother, how many times was she thrown under the bus? Wife? Neighbors? Church? Education? Middle name? The father he never knew?
My question: How stupid do you think we are?
“It means, basically “humanâ€Â, and is a term of abuse directed at the bulk of humanity by characters who have gone through magical genetic engineering. It’s a synonym for “untermenschenâ€Â.”
nishi proves, yet again, her fascist bonafides.
My question: How stupid do you think we are?
My answer: I know exactly how stupid you are.
I caught a few seconds only of Kyra Phillips speaking by phone to Larry King about her ongoing research on Gov. Palin and her family. The only thing I noticed was how excited Kyra seemed to be (as she had nothing new to advance the story).
I don’t seem to recall anyone delving into her sexual habits, no. Can you enlighten us?
No fucking kidding. Almost no one of consequence that I recall ever concerned themselves with Chelses sex life or even date life.
They are desperate and are on the verge of insulting virtually every American household if they don’t watch it.
Plenty.
“Comment by one MRE too many on 9/1 @ 8:13 pm #
Now, how did you all treat Chelsea Clinton?
Treated her like TRASH didn’t you?”
Ummmm…….
No.
But Obama’s dead mom was fair game though! And his elderly grandmother, how many times was she thrown under the bus? Wife? Neighbors? Church? Education? Middle name? The father he never knew?
My question: How stupid do you think we are?
Obama’s relations, church and associations were brought up in the context of his political views, Thor. And if anyone was throwing granny, a “typical white person,” under the bus it was Obama himself.
Jeff, great minds and all that.
man, I thought she (the daughter) looked pregnant. That low hanging obesity thing wasn’t the usual look of a fat American teenager in the last family picture. And she looked very scared. Jesus. It’s a sorry state of affairs in Alaska for the Palin’s trying to hide this.
Apparently McCain knew about it and here’s Obama’s statement:
” Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, was asked at a brief press conference in Monroe, Mich., about the suggestion by some Republicans that Democrats  particularly liberal bloggers  were trying to advance rumors about the Palin family.
“Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,†Mr. Obama snapped, his voice raised. “And if I ever thought there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they’d be fired, O.K.?â€Â
Mr. Obama said the pregnancy “has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president.†He added that, “my mother had me when she was 18. How a family deals with issues and teen-age children  that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics.â€Â
“So,†he added, “I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories.â€Â
remember Obama’s mom was 18 when she became pregnant.
but then again, remember how Chelsea Clinton was treated and she didn’t even get pregnant.
Fuck I need to go join the Hillary forum so I can bawl about this with some girls.
I just hope that other moms are as pissed off as I am. I’m literally shaking!
Who is this “we” you think you speak for?
Obama is a candidate for President. Briston Palin is a high school girl not even old enough to vote. One of these things is not like the other. But keep pretending that it was your OUTRAGE over “our” treatment of Obama that has freed you up to demean Sarah Palin and her family the way you have.
We had it coming. Thor’s tough love!
Get over yourself. You wrote the things you wrote because you were getting off on it. Enjoy your handiwork.
And his elderly grandmother, how many times was she thrown under the bus?
Didn’t Obama do the bus throwing? Because she was white?
“Comment by thor on 9/1 @ 8:24 pm #
But Obama’s dead mom was fair game though! And his elderly grandmother, how many times was she thrown under the bus? Wife? Neighbors? Church? Education? Middle name? The father he never knew?
My question: How stupid do you think we are?”
You’re an Obama supporter.
Well, not so much a supporter as a jock strap wannabe.
So, yeah, really, really stupid.
Inflated egos of deluded neurotics know all always.
MRE idiot:
The Palins didn’t hide this at all. The news says it was common knowledge in their town. McCain knew.
This is so revolting, I want to tear Wolf Blitzer’s smug little beard right off his fucking face. DAMN!!
Indeed he did, TSK9, and he threw Wright under there, too, when Pastor Foghorn dissed the Messiah.
ok, I was talking about Rush Limbaugh’s treatment of Chelsea. It was obscene, but evidently not all Republicans shared in it…although none ever condemned Rushmo either, that I recall.
Not to put too fine a point on it… but if this Blitzer episode becomes the template for the other news networks to cover the SEX LIVES OF THE VP – NOMINEE’S MINOR CHILD then I see McCain up by five hard points come Wednesday, at the latest.
Unfuckingbelievable.
“Comment by one MRE too many on 9/1 @ 8:31 pm #
ok, I was talking about Rush Limbaugh’s treatment of Chelsea.”
Gimme a quote.
Gimme a cite.
Prove it or shut the fuck up.
Now that you mention it, I do recall Rush ragging on Chelsea’s rather awkward looks at the time. I seem to remember him getting scolded by his mother over it, too. I don’t remember him, however, digging into her sexual activities and promising to find all there was about it.
One MRE too plenty.
If I EVER see a CNN reporter in real life I will cuss them out. God for once I’d really like to assault someone.
MRE —
If you are going to comment here, read what’s been covered first. You haven’t offered anything new, nor have you made an argument that hasn’t been beaten to death like a mangy whelp by hundreds of others here today.
Christ, you people are fucking despicable. I hope nobody ever treats your children this way publicly. Not that you wouldn’t deserve it: it’s just that they wouldn’t.
With that, I’m outta here. Like Gulliver, I prefer to sleep in the stables, thanks.
although none ever condemned Rushmo either, that I recall.
Limbaugh was forced to make a public apology.
Hint: it wasn’t because he cared what Hillary and Bill thought of him.
although none ever condemned Rushmo either, that I recall.
Bullshit.
“Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,†Mr. Obama snapped, his voice raised. “And if I ever thought there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they’d be fired, O.K.?â€Â
AHA! So he’s behind it!!1!
I don’t remember Chelsea being talked about at all.
BMoe, I don’t remember Rush talking about her. What did he say. I’m not doubting you, I just really don’t remember.
Jeff’s undressed me. No really. I’ve been giddy all day over this. I’m roiling in glee.
Phone calls have been pouring in all from other Obama cheerleaders. I’m over-the-top. I need to settle down. But revenge is so damn…… quaint and delicious. I’m taking a long victory lap, that’s all.
You’re right. I need to read a book or go for a walk. I’m being way obnoxious.
You gotta give the Palin’s credit. The Governor now has an in-house wetnurse for both the li’l infants. Trig will have some company soon.
Damn, those Alaskans are practical!!
MRE –
I’m not Rush Limbaugh, but I remember the attention he paid to Chelsea Clinton, and I recognized it as an honest reply to her parents’ bald faced intent to use her as a political prop.
Just because Limbaugh was the only guy pointing out WHY Chelsea Clinton was in the news when she was doesn’t mean he was wrong – or even nearly being hateful or disrespectful to Ms. Clinton.
But the media attacked him for being exactly that. After they were played by the Clintons.
It was that kind of relationship.
Comment by one MRE too many on 9/1 @ 8:38 pm #
Where’s the cite?
Where’s the link?
bmoe, no one listened to you. Gingrich and McCain and W are all slurping on Rushmo’s putz everytime he lets them.
Comment by one MRE too many on 9/1 @ 8:40 pm #
Where’s the cite?
Where’s the link?
Gingrich? WTF?
You’re datadave, aren’t you?
“Limbaugh was forced to make a public apology.”
It’s possible I’m remembering a different Chelsea kerfluffle. I will search and find out if I am in error, and will apologize if I am. Or if anyone else can point me to which story is the right one…
There was that building construction slip by MRE back aways today. Suggestive but not final.
I dont relly see any difference between dKos and PW anymore.two sides of the mirror
Two words, dude.
First word, optometrist.
Second word, apologize.
nanny, I actually listened to Rush calling Chelsea ugly as a dog etc, etc. as she was an awkward teenager much younger than willow or what’s her name?
so how is Obama behind this? It’s the hypocrisy that’s being discussed: “family values”. Hell, my family has more crap than the Palin’s but we don’t flaunt our Perfection and Arrogance.
You’re right. I need to read a book or go for a walk. I’m being way obnoxious.
Beating up a teenage girl, you must be proud. Why not go out and step on some baby chicks, Rambo?
Obama’s a classy guy. Gingrich?
Well, it quacks like a datadope.
Wait, weren’t progressives trading that John Roberts son was gay and didn’t they viciously make fun of Rick Santorum’s daughter MRE?
Did Biden or Obama condemn that?
Rush made some unkind remarks about her looks, about her being a dog or some shit, I don’t remember exactly, but I remember it being way the fuck out of line to talk about a 13 year old girl that way. Whether her parents were using her or not, he didn’t need to go there. I think it may have been a big reason he lost his TV show.
“Comment by one MRE too many on 9/1 @ 8:45 pm #
nanny, I actually listened to Rush calling Chelsea ugly as a dog etc, etc”
Prove it, fuckhead.
nanny, I actually listened to Rush calling Chelsea ugly as a dog etc, etc. as she was an awkward teenager
Then you heard something that was never said. Rush’s TV show apparently flashed a pic of Chelsea when he was talking about the Clintons’ dog. He claimed (probably falsely) that it was a mixup.
And you’re using this to pry into the sex life of a 17 year-old?
>>so how is Obama behind this?
‘Twas a joke, 1MRE2menny. Do try to keep up.
Waddle across the blog again for us, would you please?
Here’s a phrase, that should seem familiar to you; Quellcrist;
“That’s F!@#$#$%&^ enough”. Kos became famous, when it spit on the still smouldering bodies of Zovko,Helvestone, et al in Fallujah in April 2004; because as he the immortal Markos Moulitsas, “Screw Um,
They’re Mercs, they deserve what they get. You would think that would be the kind of sentiment, that would make one at least squeamish to associate with ;but yet it along with the vanity journal of Indonesia oil heiress by proxy Arianna Huffington,
seems to have become the dejure broadsheet of the clinically insane (sometimes they do good work; Mayhill Fowler’s expose of Obama’s contempt for middle class values, Gutfeld’s sardonic screeds for sanity, and even Sam Harris’s plaintive pleas to acknowledge the
Islamic threat; albeit from atheist perspective)but anti-Semitic, truther screeds, along with the self important artist backwash from failed outtacks from “Studio 60” trying to seem relevant is the most charitable characterization of the output.
Now Sarah Palin, happens to be prolife, that means there are consequences to that belief; to be solved by the family. Now the revelation was forced after a day and half of rhetorical pornography, expounded on by minions of the Messiah, who has he thankfully but belatedly reproached, after the rumors made it into foreign broadsheets) which really only sees the world through the funhouse mirror of Chinatown Cross/Mulray family dynasty; which was itself a slander of Mulholland’s actual efforts in the LA water wars; refracted through the tendentious mind of Polanski, who would soon make life imitate art.
It’s kind of remarkable how Obama who seeks inspiration fromAmerican
Montonero Ayers, a rabblerouser straight out of the Sandinistas turbas like Wright, idolized by the Hamas hordes,the FARC pretenders
to Casa Narino, gets a shallow gloss, yet someone who gave up five years of his life, actually tortured by the Vietcong’s international
mentors in the Cuban G2 is really considered almost like Alec Droog in Clockwork Orange, worthy of reeeducation.
Yes, and when it was pointed out to them that the boy was like 4 years old, it only slowed them down a little.
From a Molly Ivins column in Mother Jones:
On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, “Did you know there’s a White House dog?” Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea–which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.
So, as it turns out, even Rush’s viewers objected to the stunt, contrary to claims made here.
I think we may need to go easy on th*r, when you aspire to be Rimbaud or Calvino it must be a bitter pill to realize you are basically a minor league Howard Stern.
MRE was datadave. Who was off on other sites saying nasty things about my being a Nazi or some such.
He’s not welcome here. Bye-bye, dave.
Do you think they hired a buxom Haitian or Nicaraguan nurser? I want to see some green cards if they did.
Palin is such the right choice for VP.
The Morlocks are frightened and shrieking, sure – but so are the Eloi!
Don’t feel bad, Jeff. As PJ O’Rourke said, no one has ever fantasized about being ravished by someone dressed up like a liberal.
Oh. I never watched his TV show. Sounds like a visual (if Jeffersonian is correct) that was definitely out of line, and then he apologized for it. I’ve never heard him mention any ones minor kids on the radio.
This is so far beyond that you may as well compare a gnat to a B-52.
Damn, I’ve been undressed twice today. Nice observation B Moe, really. I’m a aging comedic hack, admittedly so.
Really, all of this can be solved if someone reporter asks Obama or Biden if they think either of them should be disqualified to serve if one of their teenage daughters were pregnant.
It’s that simple.
one MRE –
Back in 1993, during an episode of his TV show, Limbaugh was running through pictures of the new residents of the White House. He said something to the effect of “and here’s the new White House dog” (PARAPHRASE) and Chelsea Clinton’s picture was put on the screen.
He later acknowledged the inappropriate nature of his statement. I found an Observer article from 2002 where he is reported to have personally apologized to Mrs. Clinton during a public event they had both been invited to.
I have nothing to say about the interval between the offense and the direct apology; I can’t imagine that Mrs. Clinton ever being anxious to meet Mr. Limbaugh at any time… especially during the White House years.
And that’s the kerfluffle about Chelsea and Limbaugh. The period I was referring to was the specific time period when the damage control for the Lewinsky scandal was in full force, and the whole family were photographed on vacation. I REMEMBER Limbaugh opining on the cynicism involved in getting not only the cabinet but also your family involved in rehabilitating a shattered political persona.
That was the time frame I was referring to. I did not remember the earlier “bad joke” kerfluffle. I guess I won’t say anything about a party to a debate that holds up a dumb joke nearly two decades in the past as evidence of intractable evil.
Being a self – identified conservative of more than moderate and publicly embraced patriotism, and thus earning my own share of reflexive damnation as a fanatic, hater, homophobe, warmonger, and waster of non – renewable resources, I’ll just let that go.
basically a minor league Howard Stern.
An afternoon shift jock on a station with an Arbitron rating of about 0.001, who spends his spare time masturbating to tapes of the Stern cable show.
Got me there, Spies.
Really, all of this can be solved if someone reporter asks Obama or Biden if they think either of them should be disqualified to serve if one of their teenage daughters were pregnant.
It’s that simple.
On second thought, that might be too risky for Obama. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to admit he’d have a hard time excepting a running mate who would allow his child to punish themselves.
It’s a tightrope.
ask Michell instead.
I’d say that thor has abandoned his ill-conceived meme about granny, mommy, Baracky Sr. and the holy Pastor Wright. Think before you hit the “Say It!” button, bright boy.
God bless you, thor.
Slice of pie?
Mmmm, pie.
Although Barack Obama has said the pregnancy of Gov Sarah Palin’s unwed teenaged daughter is “off-limits†and has “no relevanceâ€Â, not all of his supporters agree.
How can they defy O!, his innate expertness and judgment is transcendent I thought, no?
Comedic?
As PJ O’Rourke said, no one has ever fantasized about being ravished by someone dressed up like a liberal.
Except Lamb Cannon
It’s the hypocrisy that’s being discussed: “family valuesâ€Â. Hell, my family has more crap than the Palin’s but we don’t flaunt our Perfection and Arrogance.
Yeah, that’s the standard rationalization supposedly pro-choice people give for their intolerance of Governor Palin’s various personal choices, and yet I have yet to see anyone proffer an example of Palin arrogantly claiming perfection about anything.
I’d just like to mention that Rush Limbaugh does not post here, so perhaps the trolls who are so outraged by his past statements should take them somplace where people atually give a fuck what they think about Rush Limbaugh.
Because, if it was wrong for Rush, it’s still fucking wrong and pointing up Rush’s error doesn’t excuse anything, but does exhibit your idiocy.
Ed Schultz and some other radio bimbo on Larry King just justified the attacks on the Palins by saying Limbaugh would have done it. Then they cut to some reporter in Alaska on ‘Troopergate’ and it sure looks like they are going to take the side of the wife-beating cop.
It must so satisfying to be a Democrat right now.
And Andrew Sullivan.
Also, I flipped for a couple seconds to Fox and Geraldo was in New Orleans.
How long before he just goes ahead and chews the head off a chicken on live TV?
Aldo
Hell, my family has more crap than the Palin’s but we don’t flaunt our Perfection and Arrogance.
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I have yet to see anyone proffer an example of Palin arrogantly claiming perfection about anything
Thor saw perfection? That’s FUCKING AWESOME!
we’re waiting for him to drown. or slip and fall, that would be okay too.
I find myself hoping, every time they show the clip of him standing beneath the levy, that the damn thing will break right in front of him, or that he’ll fall into the spill channel and get sucked into the pumps. Just a moronicaly stupid thing for a person to do.
I guess we should discuss who says what before we hit the “Say It!” button. heh.
One last thing:
Why the fuck isn’t CNN running after the Larry Sinclair allegations that he sucked Obama’s cock a few years ago, huh??????
But no – this story is so much more legit!
fuck fuck fuck. I can’t believe how pissed I am. I should have been asleep 2 hours ago.
Did anyone hear Geraldo ask — almost Fowler like – “we really can’t expect this to end right? — Shep and I have some Hurricane devastation in our future, right?
Thank god Democrat Governor Kathleen Blanco wasn’t in charge this time.
Why the fuck isn’t CNN running after the Larry Sinclair allegations that he sucked Obama’s cock a few years ago, huh??????
PC
Because it wasn’t on Daily Kos.
maggie and RTO: there’s no such thing as too much Geraldo hatred. Not mathematically possible.
– Obama looks like casey at the throttle, and hes not looking to coax any more speed out of the rabid Left express. Hes grasping for the air-brake.
– Normally, believing there was any altruism or charity behind his little “Shut up you stupid currs!” would be laughable. But this time I think his angst is genuine.
– Hes been standing there for weeks watching every atta-boy bump get destroyed by the Left and their Igor illiterates like thor, with a series of rapacious garbage mouth attacks.
– At some point, hes going to really have to throw Kos under the MagicBus if he expects this sort of crap to actually stop.
– If he doesn’t, then it isn’t real, and hes just letting them make the cesspool runs on his behalf.
But this time I think his angst is genuine.
I think so. I mean do we know if Biden’s sons impregnated a women before weblock? Did they get an abortion, shouldn’t we know gawddamitt!!!
The democrat progressives are all up inside a teenagers uterus.
Obama knows it’s over the shark, and jumping the Barracuda.
New revisionism: Kos diaries on the smear have gone all “Sorry. I can’t seem to find that story.”, kos claims it originated from republicans on alaskan radio.
Change you can believe in!
Hows this for a flimsy excuse.
From Howard Kurtz:
It is hardly unusual for a teenage girl to become pregnant, and unless she is Jamie Lynn Spears, who sold her baby pictures to OK! magazine, the news value is minimal. But some media commentators say Palin is fair game, not just because she is running for national office but because she is a self-described “hockey mom” who told the nation that her eldest son is headed to Iraq.
“Once she’s brought her children in as selling points, unfortunately the bad comes in with the good,” says Lisa Bloom, a Court TV anchor. “She’s integrating her mom quality as a key part of her résumé. We didn’t do that in the press; she did that.”
I’d hate to have to try and limbo under that bar.
Palin is just a ploy by the GOP to get the old white women with pendulumous jugs who supported Hillary to betray the Democratic Party and vote for McCain.
I call this block the Pendulumous Vote. These are old white women – 18 million of them = 36 million pendulums. Palin herself is plenty saggy after 5 sprogs.
Obama will win easily without having to appease the Pendulumous Vote. We don’t need them, they can go back to talking about menopause, and managing the longest, thinnest tits in the world.
Introduction of family equals
“Once she’s brought her children in as selling points”
Amanda “god’s sticky goo” Marrotte rejoiced, as her life’s purpose was recognized.
um…
NAMECHANGE!!!!
you might try changing up your word choices there, bucko.
barak luvs em & wont let habilurtn melt teh isechaps for OIL
No, Obama will just let Russia do it. While bending over and saying to Putin “Thank you, sir, may I have another?”
Maybee watched 60 minutes and Biden said
Joe Biden said on his 60 Minutes interview that he doesn’t drink.
Heh. Heh.
I’m sorry for laughing.
Heh.
I think technology has advanced to the point where trolls and Mobys can be automated, thus freeing up numerous idiots for more productive work.
Unless…
…they already have been!
DUNH DUNH DUNHHHHHHH!!!!!!
The comment spammer is just that futurist guy. Ignore.
Okay I’m over it. I was really pissed off there for a while, but the fact is thor and the KOStards are really frightened on a visceral level. They saw that woman walk up to that podium. They heard her speak to the crowd. The potential damage Palin represents to the Democratic cause is unendurable from their perspective. Vice President for four or eight years, President for another eight? With Bobby Jindal her VP, ready to take over for the next eight? For the Democrats, that simply can never be allowed to be. They are terrified, and you can’t really hold folks to what they say when they are out of their minds with fear. We really will say anything, and even *doing* anything, and we really can’t help ourselves. It’s an artifact of our wiring. We need to let them say what they will say, but keep them from actually hurting anyone.
– (minus) ing
Driving that train, high on cocaine? Gotcha.
A comment from a very liberal friend on my blog:
Palin is a great VP pick, even a liberal knows. Obama missed the pick when he should have picked Hillary. ‘Course, Hillary should have been THE pick, but that’s politics. Democrats are at the point of internal implosion. Really, y’ll can sit back, ignnore the provocative hype, and watch the ‘crats cannibalize themselves. “
Perhaps I should try to lead him over here. We could use a few SANE liberals/Obama supporters over here.
Did ya’ll see that O’Reilly even covered how crazy it’s gotten at dKos. Juan Williams went to town on them.
Beldar makes a very interesting point about this situation based on Palin family dynamics and their decision making process.
It may well be that those who insist on attacking Bristol Palin are about to get their asses handed to them…by Bristol Palin.
Why insult Howard Stern? Bababoi I think.
It’s confusing. When did Palins daughter get nominated for the VP position? Surely she’s too young to serve. I don’t think I’ll vote for her.
I think you mean, “Change you will believe in! Or else!”
How stupid do we think you are, thor? You prove with every lame pseudo-intellectual ball of tripe that spews out of your hole that we could never do justice to the colossal stupidity that is you to the core, you pretentious loser.
Thor did you spend all holiday weekend hijacking comment threads on PW? God your life must be sad.
Comment by PC on 9/1 @ 8:05 pm #
…………..I’ve never been gripped by the urge to murder someone on TV before.
Never saw Cop Rock, did you?
O! is not qualified to be president and was never properly vetted by the MSM or the democratic party primary voters. Indeed, O! is less qualified to be President than Palin, he has less accomplishments in life and less experience and his personal history has never been properly explored or investigated. Here is why:
He was an affirmative action admission at Harvard law (has he released his college grades, LSAT score, or law school grades yet);
He was an affirmative action pick onto the law review (again, he did not grade on or write on – so he could only get on to law review through affirmative action);
He has not accomplished anything as an elected offical – name one important piece of legislation he has authored);
He’s written no articles or anything else to demonstrate academic ability;
he’s done nothing courageous in his life, not even taking a courageous stance on any legislation (Mr. “present†on controversial bills);
he’s never sacraficed anything for any cause;
he’s never accomplished anything outside of elected office.
the man is as empty a suit as exists, with no real proof of intellectual bona fides nor even a consistent set of policy ideas (he swithces his stances 180 degrees within weeks of taking a stance based on polls).
He went to a church for 20 years where hatred of white people was routinely preached and hatred of america was routinely preached.
he worked closesly with and was friends with an admitted and unrepetent domestic terrorist;
he voted to legalize killing babies that were already born;
He has a shady financial relationship with convicted felon Rezko.
What exactly is it about this admitted cocaine dealer that the left finds so great?
Pablo, I saw that Beldar piece about vetoes, and so forth.
It’s hard for me to speak candidly now because I know my opinion is not shared, certainly not widely or openly shared here, and because the argument is put forth in such bad faith by McCain/Palin opponents who have been so vicious and hypocritical, and are the CAUSE of the spotlight on 17 year-old Bristol Palin.
Let me say it in good faith then. If I think it, I know other reasonable people do. I am not trying to find “angles” with which to get at Palin, I’m operating from what I think are good principles.
Palin should not have accepted the nomination because it’s the wrong time for her family to place it in a bitterly contested national contest. Whatever Palin had to offer the national stage, it could have waited for another opportunity, even if it would never again have been so grand and opportunity.
To expose her own teenaged daughter, who is facing a time that would be difficult and trying even under the best of circumstances, the most momentous in a woman’s life, and which probably holds in store for her challenges she has not even begun to anticipate, to the spotlight of scorn and personal attacks upon herself, in order to gain that office, is not the choice I would have made and I think it the wrong choice for anyone, mother or father, to have made.
To offer a veto power over that decision to her seventeen year old daughter, who is obviously capable of some error in judgement and neglect of a long term view of events ( and this is not a personal disparagment, just an ordinary observation of a typical teenager in her position) , seems imprudent at best.
I do not think a seventeen year old girl should have been put in the position of vetoing her mother’s acceptance of the VP slot, if indeed that is what happened. I think it is necessarily a highly imprudent and improper to hand veto power to a young person with absolutely no idea what she will be up against, of experience to understand how it will really affect her or her well being, and necessarily that of the health baby she hopes to have in December. And this bright spotlight will continue to shine on herself after that birth, if all goes well, but also her child, and I foresee a number of events where that innocent might be dragged into the fray, dogged by paparazzi, sneering remarks, teasing, and a lifelong whispered label as “mistake” in the national press that would have been avoided by Palin eschewing her opportunity this go round.
I see what you’re saying, Sarah, but this appears to me to be a family decision that they will all work their way through together. There doesn’t seem to be any lack of fortitude and I think they’ll probably weather it just fine while availing themselves of a wonderful, historic opportunity. Any attacks say far more about the attackers than they do about the Palins.
I don’t see where that would be any different next time around. The slimers started in this time based on absolutely nothing. I don’t expect that to change, and they’ll slime whoever their opponent is with anything their fevered imaginations can produce, with no restraint whatsoever. Further, I expect that child to be loved by a strong, supportive family that will instill in it a healthy dose of “Illegitimi non carborundum.”
“Juno†also shares with “Knocked Up†an underlying theme, a message that is not anti-abortion but rather pro-adulthood. It follows its heroine  and by the end she has earned that title  on a twisty path toward responsibility and greater self-understanding.
This is the course followed by most coming-of-age stories, though not many are so daring in their treatment of teenage pregnancy, which this film flirts with presenting not just as bearable but attractive. Kids, please! Heed the cautionary whale. But in the meantime, have a good time at “Juno.†Bring your parents, too.
– From the NYT review.
Maybe Bristol has a sense of humor. It was worth an Oscar nom from the Hollywooders.
What would have been different in a future political contest?
It would have been different, in that Bristol would not be a very young and first-time pregnant girl number of stressful unknowns ahead of her. A few years and the pregnancy over would have been a very significant change. Any alteration in the attackers motives, well, that’s just too much to hope for.
Moreover, I’ve noticed a weaker target inspires more vicious attacks. A married, emancipated mother, or having reached real adulthood, with a young child thiving, making her way with her head fully out of the clouds, completely independent of her mother, would have shown the strength of character you predict, made manifest.
Palin’s daughter woudn’t be walking through the hurricane at the same vulnerable time.
Since I see self-denial as the true test of character, not racing ahead into danger. This is view not shared by all, probably not very many. But it’s how I think.
Sorry, I can’t seem to write very clearly this AM. I think I’ll just listen to other people today, mostly.
Bristol’s kid will be better off if she can say hey my grandma, she was vice president of the United States. It’s funny how this works. None of my grandparents were never vice president and for this I have struggled.
That’s the thing, Pablo. From all accounts, that family seems to be strong, loving and has the financuial resources to care for that child. That baby, as far as we know, will want for nothing. We have to trust that Sarah Palin knows what the hell she is doing. This is the whole personal responsibility thing that this blog trumpets at all times. The personal responsibility thing that the majority of commenters share.
I came into work today and first thing I get from an Obama supporting co-worker is, “how about the 15 year old having a baby! Family values!”. After correcting the guy in regards to Bristol’s age (he’s a nice guy, just not too bright), I told him, I didn’t think it was a big deal at all. I work in social services and this is light years different than the cases that we see involving a 17 year od girl getting pregnant. I’m not going to have to support Bristol’s child, but our client’s children? We support them. He may or may not of gotten the point. He says he did. But, I no doubt he’ll turn around to his fellow obamatons and forget everything he just learned.
SarahW,
You have made a series of value judgments that would lead you to a specific course of action. As a (presumably) grown woman that is your prerogative and it should be respected. Likewise Sarah Palin has made a series of value judgements leading her to make her choices. She, as you, has done this her entire life. Not to say that people should not be free to disagree, only that such disagreement should be expressed openly, honestly, and fairly, as you have done.
As has been said, there is no better predictor of future performance than past performance. So far, from what I know of Palin’s life, her decisions have worked out pretty well. If in her shoes I too would find the prospect of a national political campaign a bit much of an addition to the family’s current high wire act. Perhaps it is another one of those human traits that forms the political divide, when someone who has a proven track record of succeeding tells me ‘I can do this’ I’m inclined honor their statement.
Feets, are you sure it wasn’t the under abundance of fresh fruit, or arugula, that let you disadvantaged?
Sarah, your argument, taken to its logical conclusion, is that a person with a (young) family should not run for high office due to the potential for trouble. Because, if you notice, Bristol’s name was already being dragged through the mud before her pregnancy became known.
Face it, as already proven, the left will smear anybody of opportunity.
I said it earlier, you wait, Piper is next.
Apart from being crass, the attacks on Bristol Palin and her mother seem politically tone deaf in that Americans, unlike the left leaning favored Europeans, are still fans of having babies.
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SarahW …
What I think might be missing from your thinking, is that a savvy woman, like Sarah Palin, would have had a long conversation with her daughter, letting her know what would be in store for her. Dirty politics wasn’t news to this family. I’ll bet Bristol was well versed in what might be coming … and urged her mother on, despite the down side.
You mean like Piper and Willow being named after witches because of the Palin occultness? Yeah, like that.
Diana, if Bristol is anything like her mother, I suspect she might be wanting to throw some blows of her own right about now. People like that don’t generally take kindly to attacks on their family.
Not saying that it will happen, but she could black a few haughty eyes right nicely.
No doubt at all.
Barry can’t yell too much, because if his own mom at 17 had decided differently than she did…
BTW, were Barack Sr. and Ann really married ? Had Barack Sr. divorced Kezia in Kenya ?
“People with souls” – C’mon man, that’s above his paygrade.
Surely this was the whiplash of … HEY FOLKS, WHO STOLE MY HOPEY CHANGEY CAMPAIGN? … With Biden, parading Kennedys, Obama’s attacking dogs on the loose, Clinton’s hogging the convention, … and his convention speech was so forgettable, such a same-old-formula that a 17-year-old getting pregnant is a bigger story.
“- At some point, hes going to really have to throw Kos under the MagicBus if he expects this sort of crap to actually stop.”
Get ready for the back peddle:
This is not the MarKos I used to know. I wasn’t at the terminal when they blogged that diary. I’d no more repudiate the MarKosists than I would the New Party that endorsed me in 1996.
C’mon guys can’t we get along and get back to the real issues of why McSame wants to continue for the next 100 years the failed surge strategy which isnt really working because Iraq is not an advanced Jeffersonian/LBJohnsonian democracy with a decently running EPA to stop all that awful drilling of their oil resources?
“Obama knows it’s over the shark, and jumping the Barracuda.”
Obama’s campaign has jumped the Baracuda. LOL.
I would pay money to see the paparazzi try and get past the Secret service.
168. Right on! yeah thor, You’re a hack alright. The comedic part hardly so. Your attempts to be so just reveal that at the core you’re just a pretentious asshole.