That seems pretty reasonable to me considering the little I know about the facts of the case. YMMV.
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You mean they are going to take like five and a half years to torture him to death, right?
It really does take that long to utilize all the techniques at their disposal properly, BHM.
I think he’s got like five, time served. Out in six mos.
Well after all it wasn’t like anybody died or anything.
His wife testified by phone from Yemen pleading for his release.
“Please Infidel sirs, let him come home,his goat is very lonely”
So if I managed to acquire a couple of MANPADs and got pulled over driving up US 75 with ’em in my car, you reckon I could get off with 5 years six months?
Here’s what Andy McCarthy thinks of the sentence: “…It is the worst sentence I have ever heard of.[…]It’s just a mind-boggling disgrace.”
In response to McCarthy, maybe it was a political decision. To get the moonbats to back off.
it will be interesting to see whether anyone will dare attack the tribumal jury for being liberals / traitors / terrorist-lovers etc
The way I look at it, he was a low-level hack who got captured. What happened to them during WWII?
They took testimony from some of the higher-ups. They agreed he was a nobody. You can doubt them, you can dispute their motives, but you can’t very well use their testimony in future if that’s what you determine. As lenient as this guy’s sentence is, I want the big guys to be harsh.
Some of the sentences will be harsher and some of them will be like this one I think. Andrew McCarthy is sort of a big shrieky girl. I think he has a low boggling threshold.
Sashal, I never fuss at airline ticket agents because I know they aren’t setting the policy and corporate culture that is bothering me. No, I look much higher… to the 5 Copperheads in robes who sent the clear signal “Don’t be too tough; he has rights.”
He isn’t KSM or OBL. And in 5 1/2 years a lot changes. By the time he gets back (after all the appeals) he will be so noted that he won’t be permitted to do anything or contact anyone – if there actually is anyone for him to contact or tell him who he may or may not contact.
This just the beginning, no matter what the NYT cries about.
Think for a moment of the 15 so called “muscle” boys brought in near the last minute from Saudi Arabia to back up the “pilots” in the 9/11 plot. They too were low level hacks, so low they may not have been aware what their ultimate mission actually was as they boarded the planes. What if they had been captured prior to the fact?
Oh, we can hear their lawyers say, he’s a low level guy, didn’t know what was going on, armed only with a boxcutter for crying out loud, what harm could he do?
Suppose further none of these planes went down, the whole plot broken up. We are now depending on the imagination of the prosecutors and jury to tease out the horrors we in fact witnessed. Now suppose these people manage that.
Would the low level guys get five and a half years?
sashal – save it for the appeals. From here it seems the tribunal did what it was supposed to do. Mr. Hamdan wasn’t just taken to a forest to receive a Makarov round in the skull.
Sdferr – we can speculate, but speculation can run any which way. And that is the problem. All the law can really go on are the facts as known, and that is all the tribunal can go with – the facts that are evident and that which can be implied from them. But at some point reasonable implication ends and speculation starts and no tribunal can honestly go there.
The Shadow may know what is in the hearts of men, but a court must deal with something observable and articulable. Mr. Hamdan received a sentence based on what he did, and what it was that he could have done at that time; not what he could have perhaps done in the future.
Mikey, he was in possession of two surface to air man portable missles. If you would rather not speculate on the legal fates of the 15 9/11 highjackers mentioned above, how about my hypothetical at 6? Can you look up the sentence range for such a crime?
Oh, you know. On second thought, nevermind. It’s not worth the trouble.
Prosecutor people are just gonna have a learning curve is all I think. But really these people need to be intercepted on the battlefield and such to where they are unavailable for trial cause of the not breathing.
it will be interesting to see whether anyone will dare attack the tribumal jury for being liberals / traitors / terrorist-lovers etc
Yes. Yes. That will be interesting. Interesting in the same way as whether anyone would dare attack a sitting president for being a dictator, or lining his own pockets with Iraqi oil money, or shooting people in the White House garage, or any other thing you can think of sasha.
Something else you might find interesting – when you mix red paint with blue paint you get purple paint. Let that marinate for a while.
Sdeferr: I thought about that, but it still has to deal with law. And I am a lawyer, and if we are dealing with law then we have to follow that, as I believe the tribunal did. I am ready to give the tribunal the benefit of the doubt until there is evidence they trimmed their sails. I’m more generous than the NYT.
More generous than the NYTimes? Well, that cinches it doesn’t it?
Or is Mr McCarthy not a lawyer also, Mikey? Has he not personally prosecuted terrorists similar to Salim Hamdan? Do you think there is reason to believe he has less respect for the law and our institutions of law than you have? Do you think that because I am not a lawyer that I have less respect for the law and our institutions of law than you? On what evidence?
Of course I understand that appealing to McCarthy’s opinion as a prosecutor is to appeal to authority. But then again, what are you doing?
I think McCarthy has a point and this may be smart political move… so both are right in their own ways.
A: the guy was not just some working stiff hired to drive him. He had to have been in on it and trusted (re: more than a driver).
B: as one of the first verdicts, going easy on this guy will give crediblity back to the system the the NYTimes and usual suspects have been trying to take away (for political reasons)…
5 1/2 years minus time served equals 6months, a fair sentence if served underwater.
“5 1/2 years minus time served equals 6months, a fair sentence if served underwater.”
Well, that sounds a little harsh.
How about if he doesn’t serve it underwater, he just serves it on a water board?
Sferr: No, my being a lawyer doesn’t entail anything super-special; it’s just that I think about it a lot because it is my job. The system seems to be working. We’ll have to see.
I’m more generous than the NYT because I default to the position that the tribunal’s officers lived up to their oaths. Of course, the NYT may just be projecting.
So exactly how long has Salim Hamdan been held under US authority at Gitmo, etc. ?
Let me make a guess .. 5 1/2 years ?
It’s my understanding that once he serves the actual sentence (or remainder thereof) he’s back to Guantanamo as an enemy combatant prisoner. There will be some howling about that.
We are in so much uncharted waters when it comes to the incarceration, prosecution and ultimate disposal of these mutts.
BJT,
We are only in uncharted waters because of idiots who don’t perceive a gun pointed at their heads as a threat.
Anyone know where he’s doing the remainder of the 5 1/2 year sentence? Gitmo? A fed clink? Supermax?