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John McCain Atrocity Files [Dan Collins]

Disgruntled Congressional Staffer: “I saw him eat a baby!”

Lamarckians at the NYT: Maybe it will grow legs this time?

378 Replies to “John McCain Atrocity Files [Dan Collins]”

  1. mac says:

    hell yeah!! smash mouth politics…maybe the spines of the pols will grow back.

  2. McGehee says:

    And when the baby’s father refused to apologize for, uh, not wanting his baby to be eaten, McCain admired him for it and they became close friends.

    Or something.

  3. Jeff G. says:

    Lamarckians. That’s funny stuff, Dan.

  4. Cowboy says:

    I’m thinking I’d rather have a president who had a verbal argument with someone that escalated into a fist fight than one without the guts to walk out on a sermon (or 20 years of them) that in hinsight were “deplorable.”

    One of these is the sign of principled character.

    The other is the sign of an unprincipled weasel.

  5. JohnAnnArbor says:

    Yeah, ’cause that tactic worked out so well for the NYT with the Augusta National Golf Club “story.”

  6. Techie says:

    Don’t worry. Jay Rockafeller says that McCain and other military pilots have lost touch with humanity. We’re lucky he didn’t drop Agent Orange on him.

  7. scooter (not libby) says:

    Oh my. Dan made Jeff G. say “funny stuff.” I had this friend in college whose stated primary goal was to get an A on a paper in Dr. Lentz’s class. I bring this up because the only goal in my life is to get Jeff to say “funny stuff, scooter (not libby).”

    I should set my sights lower, like First Guy to Get an Erection Looking at Naughty Photos of Hillary. Which, while still not possible, is more likely.

  8. MCPO Airdale says:

    Man, those incidents are W-A-Y worse than groping women, using the power of your office to have multiple affairs, setting your wife up to make a killing on the commodities market or having her friend “suicide”.

  9. Pablo says:

    I should set my sights lower, like First Guy to Get an Erection Looking at Naughty Photos of Hillary.

    scooter (not libby), does Pablo saying “Seek help. Now.” do anything for you? Because I’m a giver like that.

  10. Ardsgaine says:

    “Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?” he asked. “Because Janet Reno is her father.”

    ROFLMAO!!!!!

  11. I don’t think portraying Senator McCain as a jerk is going to exactly change things. That’s like portraying Kermit the frog as being green. OK, and? Nobody think the senator is a warm, cuddly guy, nobody is going to be shocked by his temper, he hasn’t exactly kept it secret. It’s one of the reasons I won’t be voting for him. That’s not going to sway voters one way or another.

  12. bour3 says:

    God, I hate being linked to that site. That’s the second time in one day. For now on, I’m copying/pasting all links, that way I can control things better.

  13. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    I understand John McCain showed John Kerry what balls look like. And not in a good Larry Craig way, either.

  14. nishizonoshinji says:

    i think it will grow legs.
    its a darwin fish not a lamarkian fish…or even a lysenkian fish.

    mccain cant get all the theocons without supporting the FMA and throwin ESCR under the bus.
    it will be interesting to see if he does it.
    the just-say-no-to-mitt campaign suggests a rift in the theocon flock.

  15. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    nishi: still not your Daddy.

  16. nishizonoshinji says:

    as a constitutionalist, jeffie, wat do u think of ammending the constitution to define marriage?
    /sideways smile

  17. McGehee says:

    I agree with Christopher Taylor — there are hot issues among the candidates that can turn people on one or off another, but McCain’s temper is like Hillary’s uterus or Barack’s slightly-overtannedness. Anyone who’s going to vote is already taking these traits into account.

  18. McGehee says:

    8:50 pm

    I vote we eject hijackers.

  19. narciso says:

    Does it seem like the DNC is cribbing their lines from a more established source; say Granma the Cuban newspaper
    in 1970;href*

  20. datadave says:

    a quote from the Huffpo:

    “Why are we so worried about having another mentally impaired President?”

    “After all, Reagan was senile during his 2nd term and Bush has suffered wet brain syndrome throughout his 8 years.”

    Dan, I was trying to dredge up the old Stalin fav. science theory which matches Bush.co’s cherry picking of climatological theories…..”funny”, you bet!

    But what is wet brain syndrome and Bullshido? There was a famous Karate artist who took off bull’s horns with his bare hands. Living bull’s horns…and that was for the promotion of martial arts. There are pictures of him doing it with a smile. No fading.

  21. Pablo says:

    BUT WHAT ABOUT “EXPELLED”!?!ELEVENTY!!??

    Do us all a favor, nishi. STFU.

  22. Pablo says:

    And take pointlessdave with you.

  23. datadave says:

    pablo…touchy eh? but nishi?

  24. Jeff G. says:

    I’m one of those “let the states decide” people, Nishi.

    So if the states decide enough to pass an amendment, I’m constrained by my fidelity to the Constitution. I might disagree, I might agree. But it wouldn’t be up to just me — nor to a single swing judge on SCOTUS.

    Which ROX!

  25. Pablo says:

    Not touchy, dave. Just anti-littering.

  26. Rob Crawford says:

    Does it seem like the DNC is cribbing their lines from a more established source; say Granma the Cuban newspaper

    At least they’re being true to themselves.

  27. Mikey NTH says:

    Funny thing – I recall reading that Harry Truman(D) had a temper, yet that wasn’t supposed to be such a bad thing. And Andrew Jackson(D) had one too. Yet the Democratic Party admires both men –
    Oh wait. I just figured it out

  28. Mikey NTH says:

    matoko is still here?
    Dan, you should no better than to utter the forbidden word ‘Ha-Gee’.

  29. nishizonoshinji says:

    Jeffie, i believe the Founders saw this coming.
    That is why the judiciary is a failsafe on states rights.
    The sheer genius of the Founders…..that majority rule, freedom and autonomy is preserved only to the point where that majority seek to strike down the rights of other citizens.
    The Founders never envisioned samesexmarriage..or abortion….but they certainly envisioned a future where a majority religion would seek to oppress their fellow citizens.
    That is why samesexmarriage will become legal, like abortion rights, by judicial fiat.

    the republicans have sought to countermand the judiciary before…and even states rights.
    here.
    Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer’s adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress. On March 20, 2005, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed their version of a relief bill; since the vote was taken by voice vote, there was no official tally of those voting in favor and those opposed. Soon after Senate approval, the House of Representatives passed an identical version of the bill S.686, which came to be called the “Palm Sunday Compromise” and transferred jurisdiction of the Schiavo case to the federal courts. The bill passed the House on March 21 at 12:41 a.m. EST. President Bush flew to Washington D.C. from his vacation in Texas in order to sign the bill into law at 1:11 a.m. EST. As in the state courts, all of the Schindlers’ federal petitions and appeals were denied, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to grant certiorari, effectively ending the Schindlers’ legal options.

  30. nishizonoshinji says:

    so Jeffie, is “marriage” a citizen right in the United States of America?

  31. nishizonoshinji says:

    ur right Pablo, im pretty angry that i argued in good faith with u guyz about Expelled, which is just more Wedge Strategy crap and stupid dishonest creationist propaganda bullshit.
    i wont be fooled again.

    that is wat i loathe about the republican party now.
    i always hated the democratic party’s sense of entitlement.
    now the republicans have it too.
    the repubs feel like they are entitled to tell us all wat they believe and wats best for us, and wats best for families because they deserve representation too.
    /spit
    i’ll die before i let someone tell me wat to believe.
    neanderthal bible-thumping posers.

  32. alppuccino says:

    Keep showing McCain in the flight suit. He’s got the John Wayne look. Then show a picture of J. Rockefeller as a small child in his Little Lord Fontleroy suit. Now who’s out of touch? Maybe a cartoon of the pilot McCain kicking the knickered boy-J-rock?

    And nishi, it is so hot how you hijack. Let’s run away together. Unless you’re a man. Oh what the hell.

  33. B Moe says:

    The Founders never envisioned samesexmarriage..or abortion……
    …That is why samesexmarriage will become legal, like abortion rights, by judicial fiat.

    So what year was abortion invented, nishi?

    …is “marriage” a citizen right in the United States of America?

    If it is, I demand a wife immediately, I am tired of having to cook and clean up around here.

  34. nishizonoshinji says:

    and hey, how about that CHRISTIAN polygamy ranch?

  35. B Moe says:

    i’ll die before i let someone tell me wat to believe.

    But she will go to her grave telling others wat to believe.

  36. alppuccino says:

    If it is, I demand a wife immediately, I am tired of having to cook and clean up around here.

    nishi’s available Moe. But you’ll have to fight me for her. I bet she can fold underwear in mathematically perfect shapes neither you nor I have ever seen or heard of! And I hear her toasted English Muffin with “Evolution Free!” margarine is delicioso.

  37. Pablo says:

    I’m not interested in telling anyone what to believe. I just want the broken record to stop. But then, I’m not a Republican, so that might have something to do with it.

  38. nishizonoshinji says:

    back on topic, my mccain aversion is ageist.
    my paternal grandfather, “the Last Republican” i guess, died of the farmers disease, melanoma.
    many, many ppl mccains age die from that out here in the West.
    and his persistant sunni/shi’ia confusion is starting to look like early onset Alzheimers.

    wtf was goin on with Petraeus’ hand drawn charts BTW?
    haven’t those guyz ever heard of Power Point?
    stone-age technology.

  39. alppuccino says:

    wtf was goin on with Petraeus’ hand drawn charts BTW?
    haven’t those guyz ever heard of Power Point?
    stone-age technology.

    So are you saying that presentation is important in making your point there Grammarzilla?

  40. Slartibartfast says:

    back on topic

    When rocks fart.

  41. Rock Hudson says:

    When rocks fart.

    Never in the hot tub.

  42. nishizonoshinji says:

    isn’t it really, really bizarre that mccain couldn’t get the sunni/shi’ia thing right even for a Petraeus question on nat’l tv?

  43. Slartibartfast says:

    What’s really bizarre is how all over the fucking map nishi is. I mean, what does “on topic” mean to someone who’s mostly free-associating?

  44. Rob Crawford says:

    Isn’t it really, really bizarre that nishidiot thinks she’s intelligent?

  45. nishizonoshinji says:

    B Moes, al, perhaps one of these women will be available.

    oops, 534 children, not 400. 183 women. surely there will be one for u guyz.

    mitt better kiss the VP slot goodbye…..its a mormon sect.

  46. Rob Crawford says:

    I mean, what does “on topic” mean to someone who’s mostly free-associating?

    Free-associating or free-basing?

  47. alppuccino says:

    isn’t it really, really bizarre

    Let that marinate.

  48. nishizonoshinji says:

    i am intelligent, rob.
    didnt i just kick your ass on adaptive heuristic search algorithms?
    haha, an i actually use them at work!

  49. Slartibartfast says:

    Nishi, please don’t bother us with your sectual hangups.

  50. alppuccino says:

    al, perhaps one of these women will be available.

    They sound way too mature. No, nishi, you still top the list.

  51. Rob Crawford says:

    didnt i just kick your ass on adaptive heuristic search algorithms?

    No.

  52. Slartibartfast says:

    haha, an i actually use them at work!

    Yes, and I actually use linearized recursive least-squares estimators at work! I’m a frickin’ genius! I mean, I do aided airborne inertial alignment in my sleep, practically.

    Please stop trying to impress us by telling us how impressive you are, and begin impressing us by being impressive. I think you’d find the hostility would fall of substantially, once you start being impressive.

  53. Slartibartfast says:

    off, even

  54. alppuccino says:

    off, even

    Some genius.

    We even now Slart? Truce?

  55. Slartibartfast says:

    We even now Slart? Truce?

    Sorry, what? I must have missed something; need more caffeine.

  56. nishizonoshinji says:

    seriously…does the mormon polygamy ranch knock Mitt out of contention for VP?
    i know, i know, its a rogue sect….but the petit bourgousie are only gonna see MORMON in those newsstories.

  57. alppuccino says:

    Sorry, what? I must have missed something; need more caffeine.

    You say I drink my IQ from a jug, and then you forget? That really hurt me. I’ve been stalked before and it brought all those feelings back.

  58. nishizonoshinji says:

    and the baptists, hehe.

  59. nishizonoshinji says:

    and the huck-o-cons.

  60. Slartibartfast says:

    but the petit bourgousie are only gonna see MORMON in those newsstories.

    “petit bourgousie are” translates, in this context, as “I am”.

    Still not coming out with teh impressive, I see.

  61. Slartibartfast says:

    Sorry, alpo. I promise not to mention IQ-chugging again. Or that 151 is octal.

  62. Slartibartfast says:

    Sorry, just yanking your chain, alp. You know I don’t mean anything by it.

  63. McGehee says:

    Weren’t we supposed to be voting on something?

  64. nishizonoshinji says:

    dont think so slart.
    and u dont really.
    there is actual anti-mormon bias internal to the theocons.

  65. nishizonoshinji says:

    haha, go ahead.
    jeffie said i was welcome here.
    even if he wasn’t.
    :(

  66. Slartibartfast says:

    I dunno, McGehee; I think nishi’s on to something, here. From now on, I win debates by telling you all how AWESOME I am! Plus, I am intelligent, and I have a high IQ, and I do heuristic search-thingies for a living.

    You LOSE, buckwheat!

  67. Slartibartfast says:

    YOU LOSE! Hahahahahaha!

  68. McGehee says:

    Oh yeah, well I WIN because I’m even awesomer and intelligenterer and I have a FOUR-DIGIT IQ!

    And I do heuristic search-thingies AS A HOBBY.

    TO RELAX!

  69. alppuccino says:

    Damn McGehee, I’m out of my depth. I’m going back to Barney.com.

    ….I love you, you love me, we’re a happy………

  70. Rob Crawford says:

    Please stop trying to impress us by telling us how impressive you are, and begin impressing us by being impressive. I think you’d find the hostility would fall of substantially, once you start being impressive.

    I don’t think that’s possible. There’s nothing there to impress anyone with. Why do you think she writes like a semi-literate? It’s not out of choice, it’s because she is semi-literate, at best. If it were out of choice, she would stop doing it once it was clear it hurts her ability to make an argument.

  71. Slartibartfast says:

    o crap
    u win
    i fale
    epci fale

  72. nishi's doppleganger says:

    hehehehe eye winz teh debatz cuz eyem iqs bigr thn yoos
    me debatz al abut theoconz n teoconetes lik karun n dahlen bot thyz nut smrtz lik mees

    allz topikz r ID, elulooshunz n theoconz bot sumtimz sufi i winz allz

    cuz eye m write un id n snak hndlnz xtians yoo cant tuch mee lulz

    cya mus go rubb oliv oil un thi’s fer bama spech in indiuna n pack towlz fer swety gazms whn hee speks. Oooo longe legd mak dadie makz mee hypoventulatz n pas oot. *plop*

  73. nishi's doppleganger says:

    he he evulooshunz lol

  74. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    didnt i just kick your ass on adaptive heuristic search algorithms?

    Which ones?

    Be specific.

  75. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Oh, and in case it’s not clear, by “be specific” I mean “write a description in standard English which demonstrates that you understand what you’re jabbering about” and which isn’t a copy and paste from Wikipedia.

    kthxbye.

  76. nishizonoshinji says:

    i do have some experience with Alzheimers tho…and i have researched it a bunch.
    Reagan had the early symptoms in the waning days of his presidency.
    if early onset is detected in Mccain now…wat will he do?
    will he drop out?
    who is the next in line for the republican candidate?

    short term memory goes first, btw.

  77. alppuccino says:

    #77

    Too easy.

  78. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Also keep in mind that I have met both David Goldberg and John Koza, and am quite familiar with their body of work.

    kthxbye.

  79. nishizonoshinji says:

    you see…..mccain’s handlers wud have over-coached him if anything after his last gaffe…
    it is kinda scary that he muffed it again.

  80. nishizonoshinji says:

    would anyone tell us if it was happening?
    if mccain has early onset symptoms?

  81. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Dead silence.

    As expected.

    I’ll check back after work to see if nishi has come up with anything worthy of the Turing Award, but I’m betting not.

    Poseur. Fraud.

  82. nishizonoshinji says:

    jesus….early onset in men manifests sometimes as aggro behavior…anger and fighting.
    in women as insecurity and anxiety, especially in strange places.

  83. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  84. alppuccino says:

    #83

    Even more too easy

  85. nishizonoshinji says:

    im sry.
    this only just occurred to me.
    i think i shud go research.

  86. nishi's doppleganger says:

    i kin tak 27 postz too mak mee clam abut nowng thincs n stil nut git itz write lol butt winz debatz cuz bigs iq

    1 pozt iz nut enuff mus pozt mny timez n stil bee rong lulz

    bama mak mee brainz ded wit luzts n gasms

  87. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I have Goldberg’s book and Tom Mitchell’s Machine Learning book right here on my shelf.

    Lay it on me, “hunny”.

    Describe the “adaptive heuristic search algorithms” you’re using in detail, in standard English (or pseudocode), and in your own words.

    Or STFU.

    pwned.

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  88. nishi's doppleganger says:

    hehe s p b yoo redz yer bokz

    eye knowz hurestic AlGoreethmz thus eye winz overz xtian theoconz biblz thumprz

    eye sayz eet itz tru lulz whut els yoo wantz?

  89. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Why do you need to “go research”, liar?

    You “use” these algorithms “at work” and have a “151 IQ”.

    Surely you can describe them?

    Shit, I could rattle off the algorithms I use at work in excruciating detail without even cracking a book or resorting to Google.

    Yet you can’t.

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  90. alppuccino says:

    and have a “151 IQ”.

    That was me Spies. She claims 147. hee.

  91. nishizonoshinji says:

    no…i need to research regular Alzheimers.
    i know a lot only about early onset.
    mccain doesnt have that, that is when u develop full blown symptoms younger than 65.
    it is very rare.

    mccain has some early symptoms of regular onset Alzheimers.
    but there may not be a high correlation.

  92. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    That was me Spies. She claims 147. hee.

    Heh. Sorry.

    Well, I’m off to use some (real) algorithms at (real) work.

  93. alppuccino says:

    But alas, my IQ is only useful for quoting obscure movie lines and solving Amish nail puzzles. Kinda like the Winter Warlock after his heart melted.

  94. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    no…i need to research regular Alzheimers.

    Still waiting for that pseudocode, illit.

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

  95. nishizonoshinji says:

    hmmm..u arent interested in debating whether Mccain has some early symptoms of ALzheimers?
    maybe some other blog will be.
    :)

  96. alppuccino says:

    SBP,

    nishee is neither adaptive nor heuristic, how could she explain the algorithm?

  97. Slartibartfast says:

    She claims 147

    Properly written as 0147; also translates to 0x67.

  98. nishi's doppleganger says:

    eye iz write bout mcainz dimuntia cux eye sayz so

    him no bama to oldz mmmmmmmmm

    bamas mak mee shivrz mcaynz earlie onsetz cux hez oldz n i sayz so

  99. McGehee says:

    maybe some other blog will be.

    We can only hope.

  100. JD says:

    nishi is a Rethuglikan. Apparently amongst all of the other BS she claims to be, she is now qualified to make a medical diagnosis. Its arrogance knows no bounds.

  101. Rob Crawford says:

    Didn’t McCain release his medical records?

    Hmmm… apparently not. In fact, a Google search shows lots of leftard furor over that.

    Now we know where nishidiot’s getting her talking points.

  102. nishizonoshinji says:

    i think mccains medical records are going to have more legs than the hagee story.
    sry.
    :(

  103. alppuccino says:

    That’s some USDA Grade A griefing right there.

  104. nishizonoshinji says:

    i dont think there is any way to test conclusively for early symptoms of Alzheimers.
    a genetic screening would show probabilty based on linkage.

    i only know about the early-onset kind, where it happens before 65 years of age.

    why has mccain delayed the release?

  105. nishizonoshinji says:

    al….dont u think mccains handlers grilled him over the shi’ia/sunni thing after the first gaffe?
    shortterm memory loss.
    its really subtle in the beginning.
    the anger thing resonates with my experience.
    sadly.

  106. Education Guy says:

    Good luck with that nishi. It won’t fly, as most people see McCain as one who a long history of valued public service.

  107. nishizonoshinji says:

    so did my dad.

  108. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    nishi: You should know that there is no reliable test for Alzheimer’s even for patients who actually have Altzheimer’s. How do I know this? I have a Mom with Altzheimer’s and have gone round the block with countless neurologists, psychiatrists and various other specialists at some of the finest hospitals in the Boston Area.

    So take your “gotta do research” and pet theories about McCain that are based on nothing and stick ’em where the sun don’t shine. BTW: McCain himself has admitted (and others have confirmed) that he’s always struggled with his temper, going back to his flying days. To use that as a question of onset dementia is idiotic and slanderous.

    Also, answer Spie’s question from above, which you are ducking by declaring yourself a winner in the debate. You are as dishonest, bigoted, cowardly and unserious a commentator as has ever beshat on this site.

  109. nishizonoshinji says:

    so did Reagan.

  110. nishizonoshinji says:

    answer one question BJtex.
    why did mccain gaffe a second time with the sunni/shi’ia thing?
    surely he was coached a whole lot.
    surely it was important.

  111. Slartibartfast says:

    Stop calling me shirley.

  112. alppuccino says:

    al….dont u think mccains handlers grilled him over the shi’ia/sunni thing after the first gaffe?

    You’re probably right. It was most likely similar to the scene from The Simpsons:

    Agent: Tell you what, sir. From now on, you’ll be, uh, Homer Thompson
    at Terror Lake. Let’s just practise a bit, hmm? When I say,
    “Hello, Mr. Thompson,” you’ll say, “Hi.”
    Homer: Check.
    Agent: Hello, Mr. Thompson.
    Homer: [stares blankly]
    Agent: Remember now, your name is Homer Thompson.
    Homer: I gotcha.
    Agent: Hello, Mr. Thompson.
    Homer: [stares blankly]
    [A long time later]
    Agent: [sighs in frustration] Now, when I say, “Hello, Mr. Thompson,”
    and press down on your foot, you smile and nod.
    Homer: No problem.
    Agent: Hello, Mr. Thompson! [stomps on Homer’s foot a few times]
    Homer: [stares blankly]
    [to other agent] I think he’s talking to _you_.

  113. nishizonoshinji says:

    answer Spie’s question from above, which you are ducking by declaring yourself a winner in the debate.
    ??
    i won the debate.
    rob said his friend used genetic algorithms in antenna design and that proved evolution was intelligent design.
    i said it didnt cuz rob’s friend could have designed the antennae with any one of a set of adaptive heuristic search algorithms including but not limited to genetic algorithms, simmulated annealing, greedy or hill-climbing.

  114. nishizonoshinji says:

    btw i dont think this has any legs after the mormon polygamy ranch.

    you see…you insist your religion gets to be in government because of majority rule, and you desrve representation too….but it will shoot you in the foot every time.

  115. nishizonoshinji says:

    the vice president question is suddenly a lot more important.

  116. alppuccino says:

    btw i dont think this has any legs after the mormon polygamy ranch.

    you see…you insist your religion gets to be in government because of majority rule, and you desrve representation too….but it will shoot you in the foot every time.

    So according to your “logic”, Barry is cooked.

  117. nishizonoshinji says:

    is that O’s religion? u havent proved that yet.

    the thing is…if mccain suspects pre-Alzheimers…should he step down?
    is it reasonable to expect him to?
    Reagan developed Alzheimers in office.

    wat is the public’s need-to-know?

  118. alppuccino says:

    is that O’s religion? u havent proved that yet.

    It’s not been disproved.

    And what better advocate for your ESCR than McCain staring down the barrel of Alzheimers and Hot Nancy behind him 100%? You should be voting for McCain.

  119. nishi's doppleganger says:

    i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz

    cuz i sayz so

    bama gotz no religonz ceptz mee n the oliv oilz for mee thi’s

    yous sees mcainz be drolingz bye nov elekshuns n stumblz intos walz n deskz n chaarz n bama gasmz teh hole cuntri n givz mee multaplz gasmz OOOOOOOOOOooooooooo

    i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz

  120. alppuccino says:

    …because as you know, Republican presidents pursue the office with the sole intent of gaining personal benefits. eg. lining pockets with Iraqi oil revenue, covering Bentley seats with the tanned hides of innocent Iraqis killed by smartbombs, discretionary use of aircraft carriers and flight jackets, Million dollar speaking engagements, free china and silver service , etc. etc.

  121. nishizonoshinji says:

    i dont trust him.
    he took hagee’s endorsement for political expediency.
    he might throw ESR under the bus for the theocons.

  122. nishizonoshinji says:

    i dont know that.
    GW’s presidency has totally been informed by 911 and the Iraq experiment.
    he was a good president when we needed that.
    i still voted for him.

  123. Education Guy says:

    so did my dad.

    Don’t know the man, so can’t comment.

    so did Reagan.

    Twice elected POTUS. If you wish, you could try comparing McCain to Reagan, but I’m not sure it will stick. People liked Ronnie. A lot.

  124. nishizonoshinji says:

    edu guy.
    u dont unnerstand.
    i dont think comparing mccain to reagan on the Alzheimers issue will help him.

    there are no conclusive tests that would prove mccain has early stage Alzheimers….but then again…
    there are no tests that will prove he doesnt have it.
    :(

  125. Education Guy says:

    edu guy.
    u dont unnerstand.

    You tell me that a lot. Maybe it’s true.

    Ronnie was an excellent POTUS and then got Alzheimer’s, ergo McCain will be an excellent POTUS and then get Alzheimer’s (but not really).

  126. Slartibartfast says:

    rob said his friend used genetic algorithms in antenna design and that proved evolution was intelligent design

    Do you actually bother to read what people write?

  127. MayBee says:

    Do you actually bother to read what people write?

    She either does not read what other people write, or she completely disregards what they say. I’m sure it is very fun for her.

  128. nishi's doppleganger says:

    hehe regan was teh crazee whenz hee lefts teh prez droolngz alls over nancee inn mareen helicptrz
    eye m write cuz i sayz so
    mcainz closit theocnz n stais ovrnites ut hagees hous they playz canastaz n drule un tabel n potshoot teh geyz in bck yardz than burnz copees uv ESCR poleecie paprez n danse wit snakz lol
    i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz agins

    mebee bama cums (hee) too visitz mee n rubz oliv oil un mee thi’s an gits mee offz lol!1!
    mebee iz jionz bamas cabinetz n rub thi’s un cabinetz lol!1!
    i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz i winz agin agin agin agin lulz

  129. McGehee says:

    surely he was coached a whole lot.

    We’ve been coaching you and it’s done no good. Maybe you have Alzheimer’s?

  130. Rob Crawford says:

    i won the debate.
    rob said his friend used genetic algorithms in antenna design and that proved evolution was intelligent design.

    I said nothing of the sort, you lying sack of shit. Link to it, if I said that.

    If “winning the debate” involves blatantly lying about someone’s statement, you’re the world champion of debating.

  131. nishizonoshinji says:

    wat if mccain has Alzheimers already?

  132. alppuccino says:

    What if Obama has aids?

  133. alppuccino says:

    What if Hillary is going through “the change”. GOD NO!! NOT THE CHANGE!!!

  134. darwins says:

    Obama is lookin’ awful thin. I remember they called it “the slims” at first before they knew a whole lot about it.

  135. nishizonoshinji says:

    /shrug

    believe wat u like.
    supposedly mccains med records will come out may 15.
    praps there will be more incidents of shortterm memory loss.
    praps mccain is having genetic screening for the Alzheimers gene complexes.
    i dunno.

    maybee i have no respect for u anymore.
    u knew Expelled was wedge strategy propaganda creationist bullshit.
    u are dishonest.

  136. McGehee says:

    wat if mccain has Alzheimers already?

    You know what? Go right ahead and tell your Obamessiah to pursue this line of attack.

    How many states do you want to go red in McCain’s landslide victory, nishtoon?

  137. nishizonoshinji says:

    sry rob, not worth my effort.
    ull just say i took u out of context.
    SOP here.

  138. McGehee says:

    maybee i have no respect for u anymore.

    You respect no one. Never have, never will. FOAD.

  139. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    maybee i have no respect for u anymore.
    u knew Expelled was wedge strategy propaganda creationist bullshit.
    u are dishonest.

    Pot, meet kettle.

  140. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    sry rob, not worth my effort.
    ull just say i took u out of context.
    SOP here.

    ROB WINS! ROB WINS! ROB WINS! ROB WINS! ROB WINS!
    NISHI SURRENDERS! NISHI SURRENDERS! NISHI SURRENDERS! NISHI SURRENDERS!

  141. nishizonoshinji says:

    look mcgehee.
    if i can think this, the left can think it too.
    i’ve just had a lot more exposure to Alzheimers than most.
    it just occurred to me now, on this thread.

    can u give me some other good excuse for mcccain muffin the sunni/shi’ia thing again?
    shortterm memory loss is an early sign.

  142. alppuccino says:

    maybee i have no respect for u anymore.

    Well, one less adaptive heuristic search algorithm party that you’ll be attending this year. You do have a backup?

  143. mojo says:

    … What?

  144. MayBee says:

    maybee i have no respect for u anymore.
    u knew Expelled was wedge strategy propaganda creationist bullshit.
    u are dishonest.

    hilarious.
    You have created a pretend position for -almost- every commenter here. The fun part is watching you get mad at the position you made up for someone, or say you are “humiliated” by the fact that you argued in good faith (pretty much) with it.

  145. MayBee says:

    Well, one less adaptive heuristic search algorithm party that you’ll be attending this year. You do have a backup?

    I already bought my dress! It was made of bacon.

    Hey BJT-
    Pot, meet kettle.
    I think I kind of resent that.

  146. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    ID RULZ! ID RULZ! ID RULZ! ID RULZ!

    THEOCONS BEHEAD DARWINSTS! ROB NAMED GRAND HIGH CARDINAL OF THE INQUISITION! EDUCATION GUY NAMED BISHOP OF BOOK BURNING! MEGEHEE NAMED MOST HIGH PASTOR OF EMBRYO CARE AND FEEDING! ALPUCCINO OVERDOSES ON COMMUNION WINE! DAN COLLINS NAMED DIRECTOR OF HOLY PUBLIC RELATIONS AND POETRY RITES! ABORTION CLINICS LASERED FROM SPACE! ALTZHEIMER PATIENTS ORDERED TO F*CK OFF!

    nishi moves to iran and is stoned to death for preaching birth control and abortion.

    Film at the sacred hour of ELEVENTY!!11!!

  147. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Yea, maybee, that didn’t come out quite the way I had hoped it would. I kind of insulted Rob without meaning to, hence the imperative to name him GRAND HIGH CARDINAL OF THE INQUISITION!!!

  148. Rob Crawford says:

    sry rob, not worth my effort.
    ull just say i took u out of context.

    In other words, you know you took it out of context, and won’t look it up because you realize you’ve beclowned yourself. Here’s what I said:

    A friend of mine has used genetic algorithms to produce plans for antennas. Are those antenna designed?

    I’d say yes, because the constraints on the GA were placed with a purpose. The procedure was random and filtered on the “most fit”, but it was certainly a design.

    What did I say about intelligent design there? What did I say about evolution?

    Nothing, about either. It was a question about whether guided selection is a form of design. I’m not a creationist or an IDer; I was posing a question, one that, if you’d ponder it, might give you some insight into what other people think and how they’ve reached that position.

    Not that you care, you ignorant, arrogant little brat. You have your TRVTH, carved into the concrete of the twisted construct you’ve christened “science”, you’ll ignore anything that doesn’t fit it, and you’ll proclaim the STUPIDITY!!! of anyone who disagrees.

    (Rather makes it clear why you’re a convert to Islam, when I say it that way.)

  149. alppuccino says:

    I already bought my dress! It was made of bacon.

    You would have sizzled. Wah-wah-wah-waaaaah.

    It’s shame to waste it. If you’re in Morrow County Ohio in early September, wear it to the fair. You’ll be sure to have close to a trillion lbs of yokel follerin’ you all over the grounds. I’d love to go with you, seeing as I’ve got a pair of turkey bacon shorts that haven’t even been out of the fridge yet. (Brazilian cut)

  150. darwins says:

    Expelled had a larger theme is what Cap’n Ed said I remember. He said…

    But in a way, this is all secondary to the real issue of the film: academic intolerance. The debate over ID vs Darwinism sets the table for a truly disturbing look at academia. Science should be about the free debate and research of ideas and hypotheses for duplicable results and provable theorems. However, as the examples Stein and the film provide amply show, the Darwinist academic establishment will brook no dissent from the orthodoxy — and scientists have to be shown with hidden faces to speak to the issue for the film.

    and

    Overall, though, the film presents a powerful argument not for intelligent design as much as for the freedom of scientific inquiry.

    Cap’n Ed actually sawed the movie, so it’s not dishonest to draw on his insights I don’t think. MayBee a lot has great integrity is what you should keep in mind.

  151. Rob Crawford says:

    ROB NAMED GRAND HIGH CARDINAL OF THE INQUISITION!

    Whoohoo!

    Question — is it the Inquisition with the song and dance numbers, the one with the comfy chairs, or the one with the bastinado? I’m fine with any of them; I just want to know the limits of what I can order…

  152. darwins says:

    Oh. Cap’n Ed’s insightful review is here.

  153. Rob Crawford says:

    (It also strikes me that nishidiot’s response to my question is typical of her — she didn’t actually engage her brain, just rifled it for some related facts and spouted them, more insistent on showing that she’s SMART!!! than in thinking.

    FWIW, nishidiot, most of the people commenting here are clearly more intelligent than you. Perhaps they didn’t score as high on an IQ test, but they show more interest in thought, ideas, communicating, and questioning their assumptions. But if you want to get into an IQ DSW, well, I tested out to 160 or so. And I didn’t get to finish the test. And I took it in front of a college class. When I was around 8.)

  154. McGehee says:

    Perhaps they didn’t score as high on an IQ test

    Then again, perhaps they did.

    Of course, nishtoon can say she scored anything at all.

  155. darwins says:

    nishi mocked really a lot cruelly those people what diagnosed poor Teri froms just some videotapes but she diagnoses McCain the same way. I think maybe she forgot she did that. Ohnoes. Better take some Omega3 nishi just for in case.

  156. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Rob: No song and dance. We’ve heard you sing. Just poke them with the soft pillow for now and we’ll draw up the other proceedures during the Darwinist group stake burnings.

    Bring your own mini-weiners!

  157. alppuccino says:

    And I didn’t get to finish the test. And I took it in front of a college class.

    Rob, that sounds like a recurring dream I’ve been having lately. Tell me, was their a dude running out of there in his boxers looking like his feet were in molasses?

  158. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Oh and nishi? We need to test Hillary Clinton for those Altzheimer’s gene markers. I mean, what other explanation could there be for forgetting the peaceful trip to Tuzla? Four times?

    Obama looks gaunt. He’s either a long legged mack daddy or he has AIDS.

    What else could it be? What will we do? Two candidates with onset Altzheimer’s and one with AIDS!

    Bring back the Mormon, I say! At least he was healthy!

  159. darwins says:

    Nobody just has AIDS, they get it from white peoples on purposes. I think Baracky has been a lot assassinated already. H – I – V. Yup. Three names.

  160. Warren Jeffs says:

    Healthy enough for 60 wives BEEEEYOTCH!!

  161. B Moe says:

    why did mccain gaffe a second time with the sunni/shi’ia thing?
    surely he was coached a whole lot.
    surely it was important.

    Because he is human. What ominous portents do you see in this:
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/259755.php
    Catastrophic mistake or simple slip of the tongue.

  162. MayBee says:

    Thank you, darwins.
    FWIW, Here is what I actually said:
    ====

    Are you really reading the blurbs about the movie, nishi?
    From Happy’s Cap’n Ed link:
    Overall, though, the film presents a powerful argument not for intelligent design as much as for the freedom of scientific inquiry. If scientists get punished for challenging orthodoxy, we will not expand our learning but ossify it in concrete.
    —
    The whole idea is that scientists in academia are punished if they broach the subject of a creator.
    I don’t know if that’s true, but that is what the movie is about.
    You seem very interested in the movie, really.

    =====

    [nishi:]my point was, “expelled” does nothing to prove scientists are against ALL freedom of inquiry as u maintainn, just against IDT.

    I maintain no such thing. As I understand it, the movie focuses on IDT, and the viewer can decide if there may be a broader picture here.
    A viewer may consider the Lawrence Summers situation, for example.

    My IQ may only be 57, but I can recognize when someone is just making stuff up.

  163. nishizonoshinji says:

    Overall, though, the film presents a powerful argument not for intelligent design as much as for the freedom of scientific inquiry.
    more crappy ed bullshit.
    membah how crappy ed was sooooooo sure about harmony and bekka valley?
    that asshole.

    guess u missed this darwins
    Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a creationist propaganda docu-drama starring Ben Stein as a “rebel” out to stick it to “big science” for its repression and suppression of poor little intelligent design. In it, Ben Stein pretends to interview various avid public supporters of evolution and intelligent design.

    Expelled is being promoted by Motive Entertainment (Irony? – You decide!), which was responsible for marketing such wonders as Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ and The Chronicles of Narnia. They claim to be concocting a viral advertising campaign.[1] Ben Stein was on the O’Reilly Factor to defend his “creation” .[2]
    The movie has been severely criticized for conducting the interviews of the people who represent the scientific consensus on evolution in the movie under deceptive circumstances. The scientists, who included noted blogger P. Z. Myers, Richard Dawkins, and Eugenie Scott, were told they were being interviewed for a movie called Crossroads on the Intersection of Science and Religion. In fact, they were being interviewed for creationist propaganda.[3][4] Intrepid internet researchers have uncovered[5] that the domain name ExpelledtheMovie.com (as well as .net, .org, .info .biz & .us) was already registered as of March 2007.[6] Though Crossroads may have been the working title, but no comparable domain name was registered. Myers was contacted in April 2007, after the title Expelled had apparently been chosen.

    The producers have also been accused of bribing schools into forcing kids to see the movie. [7]

  164. daleyrocks says:

    darwins – Why do you think he had that AIDs test on his trip to Africa if he wasn’t worried about it?

  165. nishizonoshinji says:

    Expelled is just more wedge strategy u dopes.
    that doesnt work.

    The Wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to “defeat [scientific] materialism” represented by evolution, “reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions”[2] and to “affirm the reality of God.”[3] Its goal is to “renew” American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values.[4]

    The wedge metaphor, attributed to Phillip E. Johnson, is that of a metal wedge splitting a log and represents using an aggressive public relations programme to create an opening for the supernatural in the public’s understanding of science.[5]

    Intelligent design is the belief that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not a naturalistic process such as natural selection. Implicit in the intelligent design doctrine is a redefining of science and how it is conducted. Wedge strategy proponents are dogmatically opposed to materialism,[6][7][8] naturalism,[7][9] and evolution,[10][11][12][13] and have made the removal of each from how science is conducted and taught an explicit goal.[14][15]

    The strategy was originally brought to the public’s attention when the Wedge Document was leaked on the Web. The Wedge strategy forms the governing basis of a wide range of Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns.
    Contents

  166. nishizonoshinji says:

    turtles all the way down, eh darwins?

  167. alppuccino says:

    Nice catch B Moe. That makes at least two major memory lapses in this campaign for Obama. Definitely a medical problem. Research must be done.

  168. daleyrocks says:

    I think unfortunately nishi is going to keep hanging around until she finally wins an argument on a thread. Is anybody interested in taking one for the team?

  169. darwins says:

    Him and Andrew can a lot throw away the condoms now.

  170. nishizonoshinji says:

    im not diagnosing from a videotape.
    my dad has early-onset Alzheimers.

  171. darwins says:

    Hi nishi. That one kid that sprinkles the food pellets on my head on purpose all the time is on vacation but he said for me to keep an eye on you guys.

  172. darwins says:

    I retract. That was a lot a cheap shot. Sorry.

  173. daleyrocks says:

    You have met McCain in person?

  174. B Moe says:

    If you are going to cut and paste, nishi, proper form is to include a link.

  175. darwins says:

    Oh. #175 was at #173. Too many cheap shots today.

  176. darwins says:

    That’s wikipedia probably B Moe you can tell from the numbers in the brackets.

  177. nishizonoshinji says:

    u had better FUCKIN believe i know the early warning symptoms and the fuckin genetics.
    early-onset is when it happens before 65.
    i’ve read at least a thousand JAMA and pubmed articles on age of onset.

    guess why.
    u assholes.

  178. B Moe says:

    Looks like the griefer is getting griefed. The point is you are diagnosing McCain without ever having actually met the man and spending any time with him, only from TV clips. Just like you gave people shit for during the Schiavo mess. That is the argument, I don’t know if you did or not.

  179. alppuccino says:

    Geez nishi. It’s a shame about your Dad. No one would wish that on anyone.

    Excepting maybe your wishing it on McCain.

  180. darwins says:

    I don’t think your analysis of the early signs is very thorough though.

    Apathy can be observed at this stage, and is the most common and persistent neuropsychiatric symptom throughout the course of the disease.

    Apathetic people don’t usually set about becoming president I don’t think. Would it were McCain had a little more apathy. Especially about stupid climate change.

  181. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    im not diagnosing from a videotape.
    my dad has early-onset Alzheimers.

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

  182. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    u had better FUCKIN believe i know the early warning symptoms and the fuckin genetics.

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

  183. nishizonoshinji says:

    my dad never showed apathy.

    so okfine.
    how become mccain didnt remember the sunni/shi’ia thing?
    he had to have been coached on it, after his first gaffe.
    he didn’t remember it cuz he couldn’t.
    u tell me why.
    and btw tell me why mccain hasn’t released his med records.

  184. McGehee says:

    he had to have been coached on it, after his first gaffe.

    So you say. Look into it. Confirm that you’re right about this, and get back to us. We’re not going to argue your cherry-picked hypotheticals with you anymore.

  185. darwins says:

    It really sounds like he just misspoke … He had two points he wanted to make … that Al Qaeda remains a threat in Iraq and that America must safeguard Iraq against Iranian influence. That one little gaffe is part of a much longer statement which demonstrates a grasp of the situation and belies a “senior moment” interpretation I think.

    The ground McCain covers consists of a lot of facts that Baracky hasn’t shown any grasp of at all really. This is because Baracky thinks genocide is okey-doke. Ain’t no blacks to liberate in Iraq I guess.

  186. nishizonoshinji says:

    but it is the same senior moment he had before.
    he knew he was gonna ask that question, he knew he screwed up the shi’ia/sunni thing before.
    and he still cudn’t get it right?

    it doesnt matter…..ill wait for the med reports.

  187. darwins says:

    It really doesn’t seem like that at all. Baracky doesn’t even understand that Al Qaeda’s in Iraq. John McCain seems way ahead of the game I think.

  188. nishizonoshinji says:

    mcgehee, ur clueless.
    of course mccains handlers breifed him the sunni/shi’ia split.
    he screwed it up before.

  189. nishizonoshinji says:

    feets…he said the same thing.
    he doesnt know if al-Q is sunni or shi’ia.
    he still doesnt know.

  190. nishizonoshinji says:

    mccain will be the oldest president ever.
    2 or 3 years older than reagan.
    do we really want the CINC to have senior moments?

  191. nishizonoshinji says:

    i dont know if mccain has alzheimers or not.
    but he knew he was going to ask that question, and he was still confused about the relationship when he asked it.
    u could see he was confused.

  192. darwins says:

    McCain understands the situation though…

    MCCAIN: There are numerous threats to security in Iraq and the future of Iraq. Do you still view Al Qaeda in Iraq as a major threat?

    PETRAEUS: It is still a major threat, though it is certainly not as major a threat as it was, say, 15 months ago.

    MCCAIN: Certainly not an obscure sect of the Shiites overall…

    PETRAEUS: No.

    MCCAIN: … or Sunnis or anybody else. Al Qaeda continues to try to assert themselves in Mosul, is that correct?

    PETRAEUS: It is, Senator. As you saw on the chart, the area of operation of Al Qaeda has been greatly reduced in terms of controlling areas that it controlled as little as a year and half ago.

    But, clearly, Mosul and Nineveh province are areas that Al Qaeda is very much trying to hold onto. All roads lead through the traditional capital of the north.

    MCCAIN: They continue to be a significant threat?

    PETRAEUS: They do. Yes, sir.

  193. RTO Trainer says:

    He is. Hamas just revealed the other day that Iran IS supporting al-Qaeda.

    Hamas (Sunni) is fighting al-Qaeda (Sunni) which is being supported by Iran (Shiite). Maybe this isn’t such a hard and fast rule? (Not really surprised.)

  194. darwins says:

    Baracky makes it clear that he wants the U.S. out of the Al Qaeda-killing business as soon as possible….

    With respect to Al Qaida in Iraq, it’s already been noted they were not there before we went in, but they certainly were there last year and they continue to have a presence there now.

    Should we be successful in Mosul, should you continue, General, with the effective operations that you’ve been engaged in, assuming that in that narrow military effort we are successful, do we anticipate that there ever comes a time where Al Qaida in Iraq could not reconstitute itself?

    GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS, COMMANDER, MULTI-NATIONAL FORCE-IRAQ: Well, I think the question, Senator, is whether Iraqi security forces over time, with much less help, could deal with their efforts to reconstitute. I think it’s…

    OBAMA: That’s my point.

    PETRAEUS: I think it’s a given that Al Qaida-Iraq will try to reconstitute just as any movement of that type does try to reconstitute. And the question is whether…

    OBAMA: I don’t mean — don’t mean to interrupt you, but I just want to sharpen the question so that — because I think you’re getting right at my point here.

    I mean, if one of our criteria for success is ensuring that Al Qaida does not have a base of operations in Iraq, I just want to harden a little bit the metrics by which we’re measuring that.

    At what point do we say they cannot reconstitute themselves or are we saying that they’re not going to be particularly effective and the Iraqis, themselves, will be able to handle the situation?

    PETRAEUS: I think it’s really the latter, Senator, that, again, if you can keep chipping away at them, chipping away at their leadership, chipping away at the resources, that comprehensive approach that I mentioned, that, over time — and we are reaching that in some other areas already.

    As I mentioned, we are drawing down very substantially in Anbar province, a place that I think few people would have thought would be the situation we’re in at this point now, say, 18 months ago. And, again, that’s what we want to try to achieve in all of the different areas in which Al Qaida has a presence.

    OBAMA: OK. I just want to be clear if I’m understanding. We don’t anticipate that there’s never going to be some individual or group of individuals in Iraq that might have sympathies toward Al Qaida. Our goal is not to hunt down and eliminate every single trace, but rather to create a manageable situation where they’re not posing a threat to Iraq or using it as a base to launch attacks outside of Iraq. Is that accurate?

    PETRAEUS: That is exactly right.

  195. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    mcgehee, ur clueless.

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  196. nishizonoshinji says:

    Certainly not an obscure sect of the Shiites overall…

    dont care if its pre-Alzheimers or not.
    that is just plain stupid if its not forgetful.
    he knew he was going to ask this question.
    couldn’t he keep them straight for a day?

  197. nishizonoshinji says:

    u gotta unnerstand feets.
    i absolutely believe in the Petraeus/Kilcullen model.
    and tha means i believe it is gonna keep working when we leave.

  198. nishizonoshinji says:

    watch the video RTO.
    mccain is confused.

  199. nishizonoshinji says:

    do we want a CINC that is confused?

  200. nishizonoshinji says:

    hehe, well…..wat if there’s a reason the med reports are delayed?
    who’s ur backup candidate?
    where’s the redundant system?

  201. nishizonoshinji says:

    im an AGEIST!
    and proud of it.

  202. McGehee says:

    of course mccains handlers breifed him the sunni/shi’ia split.

    Logically, one could assume that. But maybe McCain just runs a sloppy campaign. It wouldn’t be unprecedented, especially for a longtime Senator. I’ve been watching these doofi run for president since before you were born, infant.

  203. McGehee says:

    do we want a CINC that is confused?

    What — are you running?

  204. B Moe says:

    how become mccain didnt remember the sunni/shi’ia thing?
    he had to have been coached on it, after his first gaffe.
    he didn’t remember it cuz he couldn’t.
    u tell me why.

    Are you really fucking retarded, nishi? Are you such an exemplary public speaker that you have never in your life conflated two similar words? As long as I can remember, I have occasionally used the word mirror when I meant window, and window when I meant mirror. I know the difference, always have, but I still do it. I am pretty sure other people do the same, and it signifies nothing.

    I notice you still haven’t addressed the issue of Obama not knowing the difference between Iraq and Iran, by the way.

  205. nishizonoshinji says:

    /curls lip with scorn

    conflatin two similiar words just aint an option for the CINC

  206. nishizonoshinji says:

    if O did it twice id worry.

  207. B Moe says:

    watch the video RTO.
    mccain is confused.

    watch the video nishi.
    terri is alive.

    You have become a parody of yourself.

  208. B Moe says:

    if O did it twice id worry.

    He has done it repeatedly, as has every other human on the planet.

  209. nishizonoshinji says:

    lets wait for the med report, shall we?

    i’ll admit…..alzheimers informs my event horizons, where possibility turns into probability.
    praps i see it everywhere.
    im living it.

  210. B Moe says:

    im living it.

    And that is the only thing that matters, right?

  211. darwins says:

    You just wait til that one kid gets back from vacation is all I’m gonna say about it. Hmmph.

  212. nishizonoshinji says:

    i just admitted bias B Moes.

    if i can think this the left can think this.
    thing about Alzheimers…..you cant prove someone has it.
    and u cant prove someone doesnt have it.

  213. RTO Trainer says:

    Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died. The death toll was 11.

    Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 “Bloody Sunday” in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together “because of what happened in Selma.” Obama was born in 1961.

    Obama told Larry King on CNN — asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers — “We don’t have the technical capacity to create something like that.”

    Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him — about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.

    Obama referred to the ‘president’ of Canada. Canada has a prime minister, not a president.

  214. nishizonoshinji says:

    haha, darwins, gamera got a baby cricket for dinner.
    jealous?

  215. nishizonoshinji says:

    it was crunchy and delicious.

  216. oh, and let’s not even get into Obama’s continual confusion over McCain’s “100 years in Iraq” statement.

    link should we be concerned that O couldn’t remember saying that?

  217. nishizonoshinji says:

    RTO, none of those are repeat senior moments.
    mccain raison d’etre is Iraq.
    he shudn’t make mistakes about that.
    on nat’l tv.
    askin Petraeus a question.

  218. darwins says:

    We got crickets once. We ate them the first time but the second time we were a lot indifferent. Now mostly it’s pellets. He just gives us chicken he cooked sometimes cause he said the fish guy at Ralph’s stopped selling the tilapia by the quarter-slice. Cheap bastard.

  219. B Moe says:

    thing about Alzheimers…..you cant prove someone has it.
    and u cant prove someone doesnt have it.

    Then why fucking bring it up? You of all people, who supposedly is living it, should realize that it is a totally bullshit point.

    if i can think this the left can think this.

    Oh, well, hell. That makes all the difference. We should totally pick our candidates based on how the other side can slander them. The nigger versus the senile old warmonger, that should make a great campaign.

    That ain’t what we are about nishi, get with the program or go away. I used to like it when you showed up, but you are getting really tiresome.

  220. nishizonoshinji says:

    mccain said 100 years
    mccain said ‘dont know anything about economics’
    teh stupid will be exploited.

  221. McGehee says:

    if i can think this the left can think this.

    Nobody here is going to argue with that. I really do hate repeating myself.

  222. didn’t bother to watch the clip did we?

  223. McGehee says:

    teh stupid will be exploited.

    You really need to be careful what you wish for.

  224. nishizonoshinji says:

    /sigh

    okfine.
    O is wrong to distort the 100 years comment.

    wats ur dreamteam B Moes?
    this is mine; O for prez…this guy for VP.

  225. nishizonoshinji says:

    darwins, teh live food is best.
    :)

  226. nishizonoshinji says:

    sometimes i give gamera little snails.
    really crunchy.

  227. did that kid ever get you a light bulb?

  228. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    mccain said 100 years

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  229. darwins says:

    oh. Him could get us little snails. Good idea. Thanks!

  230. Pablo says:

    If you think you’re Bill Frist, could that be early onset alzheimers?

    Have a pudding cup, nishi. Sorry, we can’t risk solid food.

  231. B Moe says:

    …he didn’t abandon the minister who brought him closer to his faith,” Powell told Sawyer.

    Because faith trumps all.

    “Rev. Wright is also somebody who has made enormous contributions in his community and has turned a lot of lives around,” Powell said, “And so, I have to put that in context with these very offensive comments that he made, which I reject out of hand.”

    If they had trains, I betcha they would have ran on time.

    wats ur dreamteam B Moes?

    Fuck if I know. I will probably vote for Bob Barr, but he isn’t really a dream of mine by a long shot, ironically enough, I didn’t like many of his religious views when he was a Congressman, and I don’t know if he has moderated them at all. Other than that, I will have to think about my dream candidate, I will get back to you.

  232. Pablo says:

    Uh, that’d be juvenile marxist nigger vs. senile old warmonger, B Moe. Just sayin’.

  233. darwins says:

    Oh. No lightbulb. Not yet. He puts us out on the balcony during the day so we get some suns. Him said he was gonna go to the Grow Your Own store later next fall though to get a UV light fixture. We’re pretty excited about that, but he still hasn’t priced them yet cause he has issues with walking into the Grow Your Own store. You’d think maybe he could grow a pair.

  234. well, if it’s gonna be that long, maybe he could do some looking online. I ordered a bag o’ cat food today. it was a hassle because it’s prescription stuff, but at least I won’t have to pester the vet every month until the “refills” run out.

  235. B Moe says:

    …he has issues with walking into the Grow Your Own store. You’d think maybe he could grow a pair.

    Tell them you are going to grow some tomatoes, then take the stuff home and grow some tomatoes. You and the turtles will both be happy chomping down some home grown tomaters.

  236. Pablo says:

    …but he still hasn’t priced them yet cause he has issues with walking into the Grow Your Own store. You’d think maybe he could grow a pair.

    Now there’s a nasty catch 22. Maybe eBay could break the cycle.

  237. darwins says:

    He just thinks they’re gonna judge is all, and he walks by there every day. Just wants to price them there and see if the online ones are a better deal or not. He’s just being neurotic we think.

  238. B Moe says:

    He just thinks they’re gonna judge is all…

    But you gotta understand, there is only two things that money can’t buy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nitgmAInI18

    Share them tomatoes with your turtles and you can have them both.

  239. darwins says:

    Oh. Him misses those from home so bad. He remembers all summer at work there they would have a table with tomatoes, sourdough bread and pepper on it all day. And also a knife. The store ones suck so bad.

  240. Rob Crawford says:

    Huh. Nishidiot seems to have abandoned her attack on me.

    Are you afraid nishidiot? Or actually a little embarrassed at having been shown for the lying, fraudulent, poseur you are?

  241. Slartibartfast says:

    Are you really fucking retarded, nishi?

    I’m chalking it up to early-onset. It does explain much, and since nishi has opened up amateur diagnosis-at-a-distance as fair game, I’m calling early-onset on her.

  242. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I’m chalking it up to early-onset

    My money is on NPD.

  243. Education Guy says:

    EDUCATION GUY NAMED BISHOP OF BOOK BURNING!

    Hey now, I wouldn’t have burned ’em if they woulda flushed properly.

  244. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    nishiecho lacks the discernment to recognize that just beacuse she thinks it’s an important topic it won’t become important to anyone else just beacuse you state your position on the topic over and over and over and over…. ad nauseum.

    She operates like a thoroughly corrupted search algorithm.

  245. nishizonoshinji says:

    well, you guyz tell me……

    In a trip to the Middle East last month, Mr. McCain made an embarrassing mistake when he said several times that he was concerned that Iran was training Al Qaeda in Iraq. (The United States believes that Iran, a Shiite country, has been training Shiite extremists in Iraq, but not Al Qaeda, a Sunni insurgent group.) He repeated the mistake on Tuesday at hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    is that shortterm memory loss or is mccain just stupid?

  246. Rob Crawford says:

    Except that Hamas in Iraq says Iran’s been training al’Qaeda.

    Who, by the way, declared McCain’s statement “embarrassing”? The press? I suspect he’s got a better handle on the facts than 90% of reporters, and 100% of nishidiots.

  247. Rob Crawford says:

    Oh, and you remain a liar, a fraud, and a poseur.

  248. Rob Crawford says:

    Dammit, the link didn’t take.

  249. nishizonoshinji says:

    of course Iran is funding al-Q.
    that is not wat mccain’s repeat memory problem is.
    “MCCAIN: Certainly not an obscure sect of the Shiites overall…”
    he still cant tell the sunni and the shi’ia apart.

    how many tries does he get?
    lolz!!!!!!!!

  250. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Rob: Stop feeding the echo chamber.

  251. nishizonoshinji says:

    okfine
    have it ur way
    #

    Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/7 @ 6:49 am #

    A friend of mine has used genetic algorithms to produce plans for antennas. Are those antenna designed?

    I’d say yes, because the constraints on the GA were placed with a purpose. The procedure was random and filtered on the “most fit”, but it was certainly a design.
    #

    Comment by nishizonoshinji on 4/7 @ 7:02 am #

    Are those antenna designed?
    yes a design made by ur friend.
    ;)
    #

    Comment by nishizonoshinji on 4/7 @ 7:18 am #

    because he could have designed a different antenna using a different adaptive heuristic search algorithm, like simulated annealing or greedy or hill-climbing.

  252. nishizonoshinji says:

    how many tries does mccain get to unnerstand the sunni/shi’ia divide?
    and…al-Q is not a “sect” of any religion.
    which is it?
    stupidity or shortterm memory loss?

  253. alppuccino says:

    Hey nishi, what if McCain’s memory is so bad that he forgets to forget the shi’ia thing and gets it right? Ouch nishi, that brain-cramp looks painful.

  254. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    ECHO ECHO echo echo

  255. nishizonoshinji says:

    shudn’t a potential CINC that is basing his candidacy on Iraq be able to tell the difference by this time?
    juss sayin’

    btw, wheres those medical reports?

  256. Slartibartfast says:

    Is nishi early-onset Alzheimers, or just stupid?

    It’s a dichotomy, you see.

  257. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    ECHO ECHO echo echo

  258. nishizonoshinji says:

    nice slart.
    here’s another mean cowardly intolerant darwin fish just for u.

  259. alppuccino says:

    Well you seem to have hung your tiny bra on this little “slip of the tongue” gambit neeshie. You’ve definitely covered both angles on this deal-breaker. If Obama had not committed more and much stupider gaffes than this little phonetic blunder, I might almost be swayed a little.

    10,000 dead in Kansas. What a moron.

  260. alppuccino says:

    “I was never in the pew when Rev Wright said these kinds of things.”

    Oh wait, that’s not a gaffe, that’s a lie. Never mind.

  261. alppuccino says:

    “I was a constitutional law professor at the U of Chicago”.

    Should we trust our constitution to someone who doesn’t know what ‘constitutional law professor’ means?

    Where are those polygraph tests?

  262. Slartibartfast says:

    nishi, I don’t see how you could possibly object to what I said. After all, I’m using exactly the same tactics you’re using.

    So if you have a problem with what I said, consider that I’m just following your lead.

  263. Slartibartfast says:

    I’m going to start referring to nishi as a Nazi, because of her constant maligning of Jews.

  264. Rob Crawford says:

    okfine
    have it ur way

    Why are you reposting those comments? Go read this one, already in this thread, and spend some time thinking about it. You know what thinking is, right?

    For that matter, read my original comment again. I said the same thing you did, but preceded it with a question. As I said before, the question was intended to lead you to think about things in a manner that might give you insight into the opinions of others.

    That you steadfastly refuse to do so reveals what a moron you truly are. You’re a dogmatist, a farce, a fraud, a liar, and a fool.

  265. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    ECHO ECHO echo echo

    Rob: Can’t we move up the timetable on the Darwinist stake burnings?

    PLEEEEEEEEEESE???

  266. nishizonoshinji says:

    thank you for the correction slart.
    i do prolly have the genetics for it, as it turns out.

    my point about mccain is that he keeps making the SAME mistake.

  267. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    ECHO ECHO echo echo

    RIIIIIIIICOOOOOOOOOLAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *cough*

  268. B Moe says:

    my point about mccain is that he keeps making the SAME mistake.

    You are concerned that he keeps repeating the same bullshit over and over and over? Is that it?

  269. Slartibartfast says:

    Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Or at least, it does to us.

    It’s a brand new day!

  270. alppuccino says:

    my point about mccain is that he keeps making the SAME mistake.

    As opposed to making a shitload of all different kinds of mistakes all over the place like your boy O. I’m with you now.

  271. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    btw, wheres those medical reports?

    Yours is right here.

    Read it. Then get help.

  272. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    like simulated annealing or greedy or hill-climbing.

    How’s about you explain those to us?

    I’ve asked several times. You haven’t done it.

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

    (btw, “greedy” isn’t a specific algorithm… might want to read the Wikipedia article a little more closely next time, fraud-girl).

  273. […] not a reference to Hagee-McCain.  A fossil from Lebanon clearly depicts a snake with […]

  274. nishizonoshinji says:

    wat on earth are u talking about?
    i’ve used both genetic algorithms and simmulated annealing at work.
    we say greedy for shorthand when we are talking about GRASP algorithm.
    i have worked on one project where we assigned each markov chain of the systolic version of simulated annealing to one cpu of a MIMD machine, and a genetic algorithms we ran on a SIMD machine.

    i do IP and DSP, image analysis and ATD/ATR.

    wat on earth that have to with those guyz arguing that evolution is intelligent design, and my point that evolution is unintelligent design, cuz theres no designer?

  275. nishizonoshinji says:

    As opposed to making a shitload of all different kinds of mistakes all over the place like your boy O. I’m with you now.

    exactly.
    making the same mistake again and again, is either inability to learn , or inability to remember.

  276. nishizonoshinji says:

    look, let me give u some helpful advice.
    this “whole god made evolution/evolution IS intelligent design” argument is a loozer strategy.

    pretty soon we are gonna be able to make synthetic life with nanoscale technology. Then u have to move the goalposts to God made molecules.
    While ur busy with that, we’ll be working in picoscale, and then u will have to argue God made atoms.
    While ur busy with that we’ll be working in fermiscale, and then u will have to argue God made subatomic particles.
    See?

    My Sufi point is, why should the Creator of Worlds, He Who Pastures the Stars, be mucking around at the cellular level?

  277. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    i have worked on one project

    And by “worked on” you mean “ran the xerox machine”, apparently.

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

    Get. Help.

  278. lee says:

    pretty soon we are gonna be able to make synthetic life with nanoscale technology[…]we’ll be working in picoscale[…]we’ll be working in fermiscale

    You figure you’re beating God to the punch on research do ya…?

    Don’t you understand Nishi? God knew everything humans know, or will ever know, before he created your reality.

  279. nishizonoshinji says:

    /shrug

    im approaching Allah, not “beating God to the punch”.
    yah haqq!

  280. MayBee says:

    im approaching Allah/i>

    Government out of religion!! No tax dollars for approaching Allah!!!!!!!

  281. MayBee says:

    Government out of religion!! No tax dollars for approaching Allah!!!!!!!

  282. guinsPen says:

    My Sufi point is, why should the Creator of Worlds, He Who Pastures the Stars, be mucking around at the cellular level?

    [In mucking around at the cellular level] im approaching Allah, not “beating God to the punch”.

  283. nishizonoshinji says:

    heh, maybee, i tole u, ESCR is on my path to transhumanism, not my path to Allah.
    if i lobbied for a US located LHSC, u cud accuse me.
    im content to use the one in Cern.
    ;)

    yah haqq!

  284. nishizonoshinji says:

    “[In mucking around at the cellular level] im approaching Allah”
    that is not wat i said.
    in fact, i plan to muck around at the subatomic level.
    hehe

  285. MayBee says:

    im approaching Allah
    So you’re not approaching Allah?

  286. nishizonoshinji says:

    i don’t unnerstand why this is threatening to u?
    have u no faith?

  287. guinsPen says:

    The sailboat has no keel in Zamboanga.
    The sailboat has no keel in Zamboanga.
    Oh the sailboat has no keel…

    So give her a wide berth.

  288. MayBee says:

    I am not threatened. You say you don’t want government in religion or religion in government, and I say live up to your own standards.

  289. nishizonoshinji says:

    btw, it is almost May.

  290. nishizonoshinji says:

    i am maybee.
    i can safely say there is no Sufi or Mu’tazhili influence in the US government.
    here is a darwin fish for u.
    thats a good grrl.
    ;)

  291. guinsPen says:

    Another highly unlikely possibility is that strangelets could be produced.

    Introduce yourself to them!

    Think of the resources they’ll waste.

    Or do you like drowning penguins?

  292. cynn says:

    Is Hello Kitty on a roll, or what? I wonder about John McCain’s faculties. I find it interesting that former slobbering opponents are now propping him up, given the circumstances.

  293. MayBee says:

    Thanks for the darwin fish, nishi. It’s cute.

    i can safely say there is no Sufi or Mu’tazhili influence in the US government.

    A red herring to go along with my darwin fish.

  294. guinsPen says:

    given the circumstances

    Code for ?

  295. guinsPen says:

    Sorry to be snippy, cynn. What I meant was; what circumstances and which “former slobbering opponents?”

  296. cynn says:

    He’s the presumptive nominee, Guinspen. I like John McCain (you disdained him), and oddly, Tom Tancredo. But you guys are going to have to peddle furiously to push this candidate. The age and psychological fitness deal will be a factor. I know it is with me. This next president is going to preside over a shattered economy. I want someone quick on their feet, not stuck in an honorable but irrelevant past.

  297. cynn says:

    What I found amusing was some folks who despised McCain for his contrarian positions are now apologists: good party liners.

  298. darwins says:

    Ohnoes. I have a dustpan and also a little broom but you should put on some shoes until we get that cleaned up. I will let you know, k?

  299. nishizonoshinji says:

    mccain will be the oldest president ever, 2 years older than reagan.
    reagan was 69 when he took office.
    reagan promised to step down if he showed “any signs of senility” or developed physical infirmities.

  300. nishizonoshinji says:

    awww im touched cynn.
    u remember my Hello Kitty period?

  301. Pablo says:

    Ohnoes. I have a dustpan and also a little broom but you should put on some shoes until we get that cleaned up. I will let you know, k?

    Was that a squiggly bulb that burst? RUN!!!!!

  302. nishizonoshinji says:

    heh
    interestingly im in the beta for Warhammer online.
    im a chaos overlord tho, not a kitty.
    ;)

  303. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

    Get. Help.

  304. nishizonoshinji says:

    Was that a squiggly bulb that burst? RUN!!!!!

    no, it was a strangelet!
    look out!
    u’ll get quarked!

  305. cynn says:

    I just don’t see it. In better times, maybe.

  306. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    What I found amusing was some folks who despised McCain for his contrarian positions are now apologists

    Yeah, the other side nominating a racist apologist will do that.

  307. nishizonoshinji says:

    the ageist/senile dementia issue kinda makes the vice president thing more important.
    i think mitt is pretty much out after the mormon polygamy ranch thingy.

  308. B Moe says:

    look, let me give u some helpful advice.
    this “whole god made evolution/evolution IS intelligent design” argument is a loozer strategy.

    Let me give you some helpful advice, I never said anything about God, and as for the rest of it, a counter argument would be more persuasive. You still haven’t explained why a design has to have a human designer. That is not at all self evident to me.

  309. nishizonoshinji says:

    don’t u?
    i havent seen any discussion of it.
    ;)

  310. cynn says:

    Spies,etc: A defense of your position? How do you square the observation that so many of you were rabidly against McCain, but now avidly support him? Has he gained some kind of mystery cred?

  311. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    How do you square the observation that so many of you were rabidly against McCain, but now avidly support him?

    Herpes is better than smallpox. No “mystery” that I can see.

    If Hillary wins the nomination, I’m not going to vote for McCain.

    If Obama wins, I am.

    Two months ago, I wasn’t going to vote for McCain no matter which Dem won.

    Things have changed.

  312. nishizonoshinji says:

    B Moe are u talking about self-organizing systems?

    or possibly emergent behavior?

    a design implies a designer is all…it doesnt have to be human.
    i guess i dont unnerstand ur question.
    at gene expression it is common for us to refer to evolution as unintelligent design, because there is no designer.

    in rob’s example there was a human designer, cuz rob’s friend could have chosen any algorithm from a class of optimizing algorithms.

  313. B Moe says:

    How do you square the observation that so many of you were rabidly against McCain, but now avidly support him?

    I am not supporting him, I still don’t particularly like him and probably won’t vote for him. That doesn’t mean I am going to listen to nishi make ridiculous claims of senility/dementia based on what is most likely a simple slip of the tongue.

  314. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    B Moe are u talking about self-organizing systems?

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

  315. nishizonoshinji says:

    hmm…i guess in the GNXP case, design is an emergent property of evolution.
    how is that?

  316. Pablo says:

    Insanergizer bunny keeps going and going and going and going….

  317. cynn says:

    Spies, etc. Thanks for the honest answer. I’m in the same boat. For obvious reasons, I feel my kid’s future is at stake here. I am not happy about the crap I’ve been saddled with.

  318. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    hmm…i guess in the GNXP case, design is an emergent property of evolution.
    how is that?

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

  319. B Moe says:

    a design implies a designer is all…it doesnt have to be human.
    i guess i dont unnerstand ur question.
    at gene expression it is common for us to refer to evolution as unintelligent design, because there is no designer.

    How common the gene expression crowd is doesn’t interest me, you are wrong about this. The designer is the environment, which as I have repeatedly asserted is the best designer of all. What works gets replicated and refined, what fails gets replaced. Human intelligence uses the same process, we just speed it up by eliminating most of the fail with mental simulations.

  320. B Moe says:

    B Moe are u talking about self-organizing systems?

    or possibly emergent behavior?

    I don’t know the proper terms, I am not inhibited by knowledge. If you want to know what I am talking about you have to actually read my fucking posts.

  321. nishizonoshinji says:

    i did.
    i think you are saying design is an emergent property of evolution.

  322. B Moe says:

    i think you are saying design is an emergent property of evolution.

    No, you think that is the applicable Chapter of Teh Holy Bible of Official Science and Stuff.

    This is what I am saying:

    The designer is the environment. What works gets replicated and refined, what fails gets replaced. Human intelligence uses the same process, we just speed it up by eliminating most of the fail with mental simulations.

    There is nothing complicated or hard to understand about it. It hasn’t been sanctified and approved by the Oracles of your Church, so you are afraid to discuss it. It’s cool, wouldn’t want trap you in any heresy.

  323. cynn says:

    Nishi and Bmoe sittin in a tree…

  324. nishizonoshinji says:

    lolz, i dunno where else to put this for Maybee.
    Expelled gets ganked(a whole bunch) by Scientific American.

    i especially liked this one.

    In retrospect, this magazine’s coverage of so-called evolution has been hideously one-sided. For decades, we published articles in every issue that endorsed the ideas of Charles Darwin and his cronies. True, the theory of common descent through natural selection has been called the unifying concept for all of biology and one of the greatest scientific ideas of all time, but that was no excuse to be fanatics about it. Where were the answering articles presenting the powerful case for scientific creationism? Why were we so unwilling to suggest that dinosaurs lived 6,000 years ago or that a cataclysmic flood carved the Grand Canyon? Blame the scientists. They dazzled us with their fancy fossils, their radiocarbon dating and their tens of thousands of peer-reviewed journal articles. As editors, we had no business being persuaded by mountains of evidence.

    Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists. Creationists believe that God designed all life, and that’s a somewhat religious idea. But ID theorists think that at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells. That’s what makes ID a superior scientific theory: it doesn’t get bogged down in details.

    Good journalism values balance above all else. We owe it to our readers to present everybody’s ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scientifically credible arguments or facts. Nor should we succumb to the easy mistake of thinking that scientists understand their fields better than, say, U.S. senators or best-selling novelists do. Indeed, if politicians or special-interest groups say things that seem untrue or misleading, our duty as journalists is to quote them without comment or contradiction. To do otherwise would be elitist and therefore wrong. In that spirit, we will end the practice of expressing our own views in this space: an editorial page is no place for opinions.

  325. darwins says:

    That reads as being kind of sarcastic to me. Not just that they wouldn’t take that tone with muslims I don’t think, but they show that they both understand that ID is faith-based and that the realm of the faith-based is one they feel quite comfortable belittling. That’s deeply immature. If they felt they needed to address the film, they could have done so with equanimity. It would have cost them nothing. Instead, ID proponents are validated, and Scientific American looks childish.

  326. darwins says:

    Can I has cricket?

  327. alppuccino says:

    u remember my Hello Kitty period?

    You had a period that looked like Hello Kitty?!?!

    Gross!

  328. McGehee says:

    All my periods just look like little round dots.

  329. B Moe says:

    I like how they put this:

    Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists.

    Two sentences after this:

    Why were we so unwilling to suggest that dinosaurs lived 6,000 years ago or that a cataclysmic flood carved the Grand Canyon?

    The Regular Old Church of Science has to attack it on religious grounds because that is where they are most threatened.

  330. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Scientific American

    Well, now we know where you get your pop sci buzzwords.

    Poseur.

    Fraud.

    Liar.

  331. nishizonoshinji says:

    there is a lot of articles feets.
    main article
    darwinists are nazis

    Expelled wears its ambitions to be a creationist Fahrenheit 911 openly, in that it apes many of Michael Moore’s comic tricks: emphasizing the narrator’s hapless everyman qualities by showing him meandering his way to interviews; riposting interviewees’ words with ironic old footage and so on. Director Nathan Frankowski is reasonably adept at the techniques, although he is not half the filmmaker Michael Moore is (and yes, I do mean in both senses of the phrase).

    The film begins with the triumphant entry of financial columnist, media figure and former Nixon White House speechwriter Ben Stein to a filled college lecture hall. (If this review were styled after the movie, I’d be intercutting clips of Nixon flashing a victory sign with Stein’s scenes from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and his eyedrop commercials, but you get the idea.) Stein explains that he is speaking out because he has “lately noticed a dire trend” that threatens the state of our nation: the ascendance of godless, materialist, evolutionary science and an unwillingness among academics to consider more theistic alternatives. A montage of short clips then shows Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and other scientists scorning religion or ID without context. “Freedom is the essence of America!” Stein insists, and he frets that scientists who like their empiricism with a dash of deus ex machina are oppressed. He and Expelled charge that scientists, in their rejection of religious explanations, have become as intolerant as Nazis. Or maybe Stalinists—the film clips were ambiguous on that point.

    (The newsreel footage from the old Soviet days kept confusing me. Stein does know that the Stalinists rejected the theory of evolution as a biological rendition of capitalism, doesn’t he? And that they replaced it with their own ideologically driven, disastrous theory of Lysenkoism? Does Stein think that moviegoers won’t know this?)

  332. nishizonoshinji says:

    the filled college lecture hall is full of paid extras.

    i just changed my mind about school vouchers.
    im for them now.
    i hope ur troglydite children get exactly the education u want for them.
    /spit

  333. B Moe says:

    i just changed my mind about school vouchers.
    im for them now.
    i hope ur troglydite children get exactly the education u want for them.

    This from someone whose whole fucking rant is driven by the lack of sound science in a goddam Hollywood movie, and whose source material is wikipedia and Scientific American.

  334. nishizonoshinji says:

    the pepperdine students were paid extras

    this wedge strategey crap isnt exactly going to make the highly educated believe xians are getting smarter.
    actually i think ur devolving.
    lets get a head start on jesusland, and we will pass a law that xian kids have to to special unis where IDT is taught.
    kk?
    get ur own fuckin unis and stay the hell away from ours.

  335. alppuccino says:

    All my periods just look like little round dots.

    Then the Kotex Stiletto Ultra Slim with Wings will be perfect for you!!

    Sorry McGehee, my meds were supposed to come over on American Airlines.

  336. B Moe says:

    get ur own fuckin unis and stay the hell away from ours.

    You sound just like Bob Jones and Jerry Falwell. No weirdo religions apply, we have our own, thank you.

  337. nishizonoshinji says:

    theres about 20 links B Moes.
    theres a round table and a continuing series.
    the scientists that appear in expelled were tricked and edited.

    micheal moore style.

    and u know wat else sux?
    my homeslices, dr. yes and the derb, wont say boo about this.
    cus its an election year and the theofascists have the republican party by the shorthairs.

  338. B Moe says:

    theres a round table and a continuing series.
    the scientists that appear in expelled were tricked and edited.

    micheal moore style.

    Who gives a shit? It is still nothing more that a pop culture movie. A movie whose name is Explelled, that you react to by screaming:

    get ur own fuckin unis and stay the hell away from ours.

    Bricolage, nishi? Appearance is reality, nishi? You are getting tooled by the very techniques you have been prancing and preening about for the past weeks, you are just too self-centered to see it.

  339. B Moe says:

    Uh, Expelled

  340. nishizonoshinji says:

    the theofascists even have their own michael moore style propaganda film, like the liberalfascists have farenheit:911.
    i guess ill put that in with my darwin fishes.

  341. alppuccino says:

    i hope ur troglydite children get exactly the education u want for them.

    “Malignant narcissism is like NPD on pathological steroids, manifesting additional antisocial features, paranoid traits, and ego-syntonic aggression. Kernberg believed that malignant narcissism was part of a spectrum of narcissistic behavior; ranging from NPD, at the low end, to malignant narcissism, and with psychopathy representing the high end of narcissistic severity.”

    Who had “psychopath” in the pool?

  342. Carin says:

    Nishi, most parents who want vouchers could care less about ID/wedgie strategies and Darwin fish. I know it’s all the same to you, but parents are a bit more interested in escaping school systems with 24% graduation rates.

  343. Carin says:

    Nishi would prefer kids go to really horrible schools (with DARWIN FISH ON it’s DOORS) than a school that actually gave them a diploma one day, but may offer a non-compulsory religious ed course.

  344. B Moe says:

    Children who are taught to read effectively don’t generally turn to the local cinema to further their education, at least not in my experience.

  345. nishizonoshinji says:

    so…you think it’s fine to imply that Darwin caused the Holocaust and trick scientists into appearing in a propaganda film?
    but that wont get IDT into science programs in unis.
    that will just engender more hostility and resistance……oh…wait….i forgot.
    you dont really want IDT in uni-science programs….because u dont believe it is a science.
    this is just more fascist societal engineering, right?
    the intelligent design doctrine is a redefining of science and how it is conducted. Wedge strategy proponents are dogmatically opposed to materialism,[6][7][8] naturalism,[7][9] and evolution,[10][11][12][13] and have made the removal of each from how science is conducted and taught an explicit goal.[14][15]

  346. nishizonoshinji says:

    im going back to the gameverse
    your dishonesty is breathtaking.
    cyas

  347. Pablo says:

    i especially liked this one.

    That makes sense, since it has no reference whatsoever to the movie that has your panties in a bunch and yet you seem to think it’s a brilliant takedown of same. That is, it makes nishi-sense, aka nonsense. Nicely played…in some dimension or another.

  348. Pablo says:

    Stupid xian theocon Stein.

  349. B Moe says:

    You can’t really address any argument that falls outside your dogma, can you nishi? And don’t give two shits about creationism, God, Wedge strategy or some silly ass movie. I have repeatedly tried to discuss my feelings about this with you, and the response is the literal equivalent of a blank stare, then you take off repeating the same old chapter and verse over and over.

    Discussing ID/Evolution with you is EXACTLY the same as trying to discuss it with a Bible thumper.

  350. Pablo says:

    True dat, B Moe. Might as well go right to ridicule, because dialog is out of the question.

  351. Education Guy says:

    No point in dialog really, since she’s going to handle both sides of the conversation anyway. Evolution can be a real bitch to the individual, so perhaps pity is in order.

    Quick someone get me a darwin fish.

  352. alppuccino says:

    Might as well go right to ridicule, because dialog is out of the question

    Fine guys. But let’s set some ground rules.

    Subjects to avoid:

    Stalking
    Jesus
    Alzheimer’s
    Baseball
    Nails
    Grammar
    Punctuation
    Adaptive Heuristic Search Algorithms
    Daddy
    Mommy
    Ritalin
    ponies
    Godfather III (no one should ever discuss this)
    clowns

  353. Rob Crawford says:

    interestingly im in the beta for Warhammer online.

    Warhammer — war gaming for the mildly retarded. Warhammer Online — MMORPG for the massively online retarded.

  354. McGehee says:

    Jesus is just a stalking pony for Mommy and Daddy, who gave Alzheimer’s to the Godfather (III) of baseball, whose grammar is like nails on a chalkboard because of all the adaptive heuristic search algorithm clowns on Ritalin.

  355. McGehee says:

    but at least i avoided mentioning punctuation

  356. Pablo says:

    EXPELLED!!!

  357. alppuccino says:

    The list is a living breathing document. It’s evolving, if you will, but intelligently designed

  358. Rob Crawford says:

    I have repeatedly tried to discuss my feelings about this with you, and the response is the literal equivalent of a blank stare, then you take off repeating the same old chapter and verse over and over.

    Oh, hell, yeah. She didn’t even bother to think about the point I was trying to make — that a random process can be constrained to produce a desired result, and so it’s not unfair to consider whether the process of evolution was constrained in order to produce the results we see. I’m a true agnostic — I have no idea, and won’t try to claim I have the answer.

    Nishidiot can’t seem to grasp the concepts of omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence, despite claiming to come from a Catholic background and to be a practicing Muslim. She’s exactly like the worst young-Earth creationist, incapable of even entertaining the idea of a Creator more subtle and brilliant than herself.

    And for her to flounce off in a huff, whining about our “dishonesty” is, shall we say, the icing on the cake.

  359. McGehee says:

    incapable of even entertaining the idea of a Creator more subtle and brilliant than herself.

    There, but for the grace of God, goes God.

    (originally said by Winston Churchill about Clement Attlee)

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  361. alppuccino says:

    Of course, you’ve got a point Rob. And you mashed nishi like a Xmas potato.

    But it needs more ridicule. Explore the space with ridicule.

  362. B Moe says:

    I’m a true agnostic — I have no idea, and won’t try to claim I have the answer.

    Exactly, most religions don’t make a whole lot of sense to me, honestly. But the idea that the whole friggin’ universe just one day randomly exploded out of nothing is pretty incredible, also. I mean, there is alot of shit in the whole universe, dude.

  363. MayBee says:

    I love the way I’ve become an ID-supporting, Expelled-promoting, darwin-fish, hating jesuslander. It’s like nishi knows the me I don’t know.

    I do think Pepperdine has a beautiful campus.

  364. alppuccino says:

    Why did you leave out ‘breastfeeding’ MayBee?

    .

    .

    no idea

  365. Rob Crawford says:

    I love the way I’ve become an ID-supporting, Expelled-promoting, darwin-fish, hating jesuslander. It’s like nishi knows the me I don’t know.

    Well, it’s always easier to argue against imaginary people than real people. It also avoids the hard work of thinking.

  366. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    The fact that there are 371 comments on what essentially became an echo chamber makes me sad .. in a stick my head in a garbage disposal way.

    **WHIRRRRRR**

  367. Pablo says:

    Not an echo chamber, BJ. More of a circus sideshow, like the bearded lady on acid.

  368. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    your dishonesty is breathtaking.

    LOL! pwnd!

    Poseur.
    Fraud.
    Liar.

    Get. Help.

  369. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    I’m often accused of being overly argumentative by my eldest daughter (something she argues again and again and…)

    I think I’ll have her read through this thread a cede my title.

    like the bearded lady on acid.

    … while she spanks the midget clown.

  370. Rob Crawford says:

    Bearded lady spanking the midget clown? Wow, that’s a load of sexual imagery I didn’t need.

  371. Dave in SoCal says:

    interestingly im in the beta for Warhammer online.

    My God, how do you kill something that has no life?

  372. Dave in SoCal says:

    Looking closer at the wiki entry I see an answer to that question:

    Since the airing of the episode, it was planned that the fictitious Sword of a Thousand Truths used in the episode would be added as a part of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, although it would not have the same capabilities as in the show. The weapon was released as The Hungering Cold, a sword that shares the visual of the sword, but not the stats. The in-game caption reads “For killing that which has no life”.

    Anybody know if Amazon sells ‘The Hungering Cold’?

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