lulz, i told u guyz this was gonna happen.
in the general O will try to cleave off the theocons on mccains ESCR voting record. if mccain tries to run right then O can scare the pro-choice independents into camp obama.
from allah’s link– Huckabee said he spoke with Hagee, expressed his “disappointment and surprise†and asked him to hold off on publicly backing McCain.
hahaha!
of course!
they’re chums!
i think…..mccain better denounce hagee before the MSM finds out about the leftbehinder shit.
Is that supposed to be some sort of dog whistle, Collins? One that only mid-westerners can hear or something?
‘Cuz if we can’t figure out that “Barack Obama” is kind of an exotic, maybe Arab-y sounding name and need to have “Hussein” thrown in there to get us riled up, I’m not sure you can expect us to be able to define papist…
It’s an annoyance, more than anything else, Jim. We RCs can take care of ourselves. What’s astonishing, though, is that someone bright like nishi could suppose for an instant that what Obama represents is Greater Tolerance.
What’s astonishing, though, is that someone bright like nishi could suppose for an instant that what Obama represents is Greater Tolerance.
Dan, you really need to stop equating “bright” with “wise.” I dropped my Mensa membership because so many of those extremely intelligent people were also extremely stupid.
from allah’s linkage– In “Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To war†Hagee has stated that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God and that the Holocaust was God’s way of forcing Jews to move to Israel where, Hagee predicts according to his interpretation of Biblical scripture, they will be mostly killed in the apocalyptic Mideast conflict Hagee’s new lobbying group seems to be working to provoke and which John Hagee believes to be a necessary precondition for the “Rapture†that will lift Christians, but not Jews, bodily into Heaven to enjoy physical immortality amidst paradise.
see?
to leftbehinders the jews are fungeable.
hmmm…i think mccain better run from hagee like a scalded cat.
in restrospect accepting that endorsement was awful stupid.
did mccains handlers vet hagee at all????
this is shaping up to be a blogstorm.
nasty weather.
but Dan…the invulnerability coating is working.
i dont completely unnerstand it…look wat althouse says…
I think Barack Obama didn’t go far enough distancing himself from Louis Farrakhan, but,/b> McCain stood on a stage with John Hagee and openly accepted his endorsement.
mccain is worse accordin to Ann.
this is why i think…. Very much like Farrakhan, Hagee has regularly made remarks about current events and other religions that many would find alarming. But unlike Farrakhan, he has never truly faced the scrutiny of the mainstream press, and major politicians like Joe Lieberman and John McCain have freely associated with him.
the startle factor.
it is like muckracking.
Intra-flock jibber-jabber is tedious. If you guys believe what you believe, then yeah, those other guys are all the devil. Good. Enjoy. Swearing at people is fun. Then we live.
But this, from the second link —
Maverick, in his desperation to shore up the social con vote, is perfectly willing to buddy up to this sort of rhetoric, notwithstanding the famous distaste for “agents of intolerance†he expressed in another political lifetime.
— this hurts.
Oh, Allah. Keeping up this universal standard of rube-denunciation since the TNR/Hot Air/Reason anti-Paul-fest — for which it was only an expediency, remember? — has wrecked your mind. We miss you so much.
This “Whore of Babylon” crap is funny, dammit. Remember? Shit. Don’t go out like this. Photoshop a rubber snake in his hand. Put a McCain bumper sticker on his forehead if you have to, but, sweet Jesus, not this.
It hardly matters. McCain is not-Obama. That’s what’s going to put him over the top if anything will. Is Hagee a not-Obama thing? Why, yes, I think he is. There’s that then.
Also I still have no idea who this Hagee is cause they block YouTube here. I’ll try a proxy later, but, anyway, all this sort of associationy nonsense gets cleanslated if he picks a strong VP, and if he picks a Hick-style VP, then I really can’t even be a part of any of this anyway.
feets the ppl in the max blumenthal video are terrifying.
u have to watch.
im pretty sure i know where the email spam about O being the antichrist is coming from now.
Thank you, Illinois. Thank you. Thank you, Illinois. I don’t know about you but I’m still fired up. I am fired up. Look at this crowd. Thank you, Illinois.
Let me begin by thanking all the people who have been involved in this effort from down state to upstate, city, suburb, from every community throughout the state. Let me say how grateful I am to all of you for the extraordinary privilege of standing here this evening.
Let me thank, because I will forget later on, it’s a thankless task, let me thank right now the best political staff that has been put together in this state. They are wonderful. You know who you are. You guys have been outstanding. I appreciate all of you.
Let me thank my pastor, Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (ph) of Trinity United Church of Christ, fellow Trinitarians out there. Let me thank all the elected officials who have stood by me through thick and through thin but most of all let me thank my family.
I am so grateful to my nephew Aber (ph), my niece Leslie (ph), my mother-in-law Marian (ph), my brother-in-law Craig Robinson, his wonderful girlfriend Kelly (ph), my sister Maya (ph), my new niece Zuhayla (ph) right there, my brother-in-law Conrad and most of all, most of all, my two precious daughters Malia (ph) Obama and Sasha (ph) Obama and the biggest star in the Obama family until the two girls grow up the love of my life Michelle Obama, give it up for Michelle. Give it up.
The funniest thing, is we are supposedly in the position where we are supposed to be DEFENDING McCain. When the large majority of us didn’t want him. Most of us are gonna vote for him simply because he’s not Hillary or Obama. McCain could tongue-kiss Hagee on stage, and I still wouldn’t vote for a Dem.
I’m voting for notHillary or notObama.
But, for the record – the association of Obama with Wright is more troubling than the endorsement of McCain by Hagee.
McCain needed a shot in the arm with the evangelicals. Politicians do what they have to do to get votes. That’s why Obama twists every which way in the winds telling everyone else what they want to hear (NAFTA, anyone?) More important is what they actually believe.
So, is Obama afrocentric? And, is that a quality you desire in a president?
haha, yup pablo.
but not before i got bill frist to answer a podcast question from a cartoon character and got charles to delink discardedlies.
rawr.
;)
and the hidden variable is ppl are googling a lot more for obama than mccain.
i dare u to watch the TPM max blumenthal video pablo.
i double dog dare u.
In recent weeks, word of Mr. Obama’s treatment of Mr. Wright has reached black leaders like the Rev. Al Sharpton and given them pause.
“I have not discussed this with Senator Obama in detail, but I can see why callers of mine and other clergymen would be concerned, because the issue is standing by your own pastor,†Mr. Sharpton said.
Oh. I think I found it. He keeps pointing to this like lady on a tiger or something. He’s pretty clearly bonkers, but he’s also disturbingly unabashedly like unattractive. Like even if you’re fat you don’t have to look like that, which makes me think he’s one of those totally unselfaware people that really don’t know just how far they’ve let themselves go. I always feel sorry for people like that but not enough to try to help.
feets u shud watch the max blumenthal video at TPM
they are ALL fat.
and they are lobbying for the apocalypse, they want america to bomb Iran to bring on the Rapture.
u shud watch the max blumenthal video at TPM
they are ALL fat.
and they are lobbying for the apocalypse, they want america to bomb Iran to bring on the Rapture.
Uh, u shud watch the video again, nishi. And try to pay attention this time.
Well, no. I said specifically he looked like hell and that he didn’t have to just cause he was fat but he did anyway cause he’s obviously just not a very well put together kind of guy. Like really obviously.
It appears from the results of history that Americans have not elected a President on the basis of their eschatology. There’s certainly a Christian based eschatology that understands portions of scripture in a prophetic context and there are several other Christian eschatologies that vary in that scope. Americans expect tolerance with each other as regards belief.
I don’t expect that because Hagee grants support to McCain and McCain accepts it that Hagee has the expectation that McCain embraces his eschatalogy. I certainly don’t think that’s what it means.
But all that is certainly a far cry from Mr. Obama’s nanny-state religion that takes from my productive hands and gives to those who will waste it and who promises to inhabit our lives with the benign state. That’s the inherited eschatology from the far left that he offers and while I’m willing to tolerate what they believe, I won’t support that admixture of church and state.
That’s the inherited eschatology from the far left that he offers and while I’m willing to tolerate what they believe, I won’t support that admixture of church and state.
Yeah, but the resident illiterate doesn’t care if *those* theocrats take power.
Yes. MC is right. Grumpy posts today, or I mean posts that make me grumpy. Hagee is repulsive and McCain is really needing to not hang with the repulsive cause I just got all used to being he who votes for McCain. Before then we had royalty. Gack. I hate royalty. They for real should all die screaming. And Andy and big gay breakthrough. And then Sharon with her bleach job and her midlife crisis. I hope Thor flushes her cats. Not really great notes to end the week on.
I guess. Everything’s just so heavy. And Jeff is really a lot quiet today. There’s been a lot of stupid what needs addressing, like that barryL. And I’m just too tired to give it much of a go. And also Shakira has been drifting into my office all day from NG’s office. That can’t be helping.
Obama gets outed for telling the Canadians he was just posturing when he told those rubes from Ohio that he didn’t really mean it when he bashed NAFTA. Althouse jumps in with “McCain endorsed by Fundie Nut nobody ever heard of.” Crowd immediately jumps on McCain.
Edwards was a slicker lawyer than Althouse will ever be. How did he lose?
That saying about the intelligence of the American people? It remains to be proven, but judging by the comments here, it may be true. Or ADHD has become an epidemic.
It won’t matter. Even if you think the American people are as stupid as nishi seems to think they are, they are not so stupid as to miss the fact that whenever Obama opens his mouth relating to policy he says something idiotic. He’s a rookie, and that’s going to be very clear by the time we get to November.
That said, McCain is still an ass. Nothing has changed on that front. The people will still take an ass who will do right by them over a hopeychangy pup who only panders to the crowd he’s in front of.
I’m taking the primary off, but in the general I’ll vote for McCain. I guess I’ll take the ass over the pup. As Jeff says, they’re both statists, but the pup looks to be on a whole other level.
Rob: Yeah, but the resident illiterate doesn’t care if *those* theocrats take power.
Which certainly represents a problem. Many of those who stormed the Bastille were of the same sort of illiterati, filled with rather yes-we-can expectations not realizing that they were laying palm fronds for Robespierre and Napoleon.
Am I being too hopey to think that there are enough of us who will stand athwart history yelling, ‘Stop!’?
but rusty ppl are sick of teh outrage.
and the greenwald message has a lot of recipients, u know, u saps got feared into voting for GW and he spent all ur mortgage money on a stupid war we cant win.
Hagee thinks seven hills represent Rome? He thinks that “whore” in prophecy always stands for monotheism in it’s most advanced degree of degeneracy? The next thing you know, he’ll say that the Reformation was neccessary! I just don’t think I’ll ever stop puking with shame and outrage over such gob-smacking Protestantism!!!
Sick of an outrage manufactured by themselves, for their own amusement. Nuance or subtlety? It’s hard to tell the difference. Changeyhopitude. With all the breathless anticipation of a six year old awaiting the ice cream truck.
althouse is an admitted obabmacan.
lulz, i told u guyz this was gonna happen.
in the general O will try to cleave off the theocons on mccains ESCR voting record. if mccain tries to run right then O can scare the pro-choice independents into camp obama.
obamacan
If you think that means I’m going to defect to Obama, nishi, you’re out of your cotton picking mind.
from allah’s link–
Huckabee said he spoke with Hagee, expressed his “disappointment and surprise†and asked him to hold off on publicly backing McCain.
hahaha!
of course!
they’re chums!
i think…..mccain better denounce hagee before the MSM finds out about the leftbehinder shit.
where else can u go dan?
come…….come…..turn to the darkside…feel the power of the darkforce…
Is that supposed to be some sort of dog whistle, Collins? One that only mid-westerners can hear or something?
‘Cuz if we can’t figure out that “Barack Obama” is kind of an exotic, maybe Arab-y sounding name and need to have “Hussein” thrown in there to get us riled up, I’m not sure you can expect us to be able to define papist…
It’s an annoyance, more than anything else, Jim. We RCs can take care of ourselves. What’s astonishing, though, is that someone bright like nishi could suppose for an instant that what Obama represents is Greater Tolerance.
That’s nuts.
hahaha
i did time in the intellectual scold’s bridle of the catholic church.
ur not foolin me on “tolerance” for a heartbeat.
Dan, I take it you didn’t watch Soul Train when you were a kid.
Don Cornelius for Veep!
Dan, you really need to stop equating “bright” with “wise.” I dropped my Mensa membership because so many of those extremely intelligent people were also extremely stupid.
from allah’s linkage–
In “Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To war†Hagee has stated that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God and that the Holocaust was God’s way of forcing Jews to move to Israel where, Hagee predicts according to his interpretation of Biblical scripture, they will be mostly killed in the apocalyptic Mideast conflict Hagee’s new lobbying group seems to be working to provoke and which John Hagee believes to be a necessary precondition for the “Rapture†that will lift Christians, but not Jews, bodily into Heaven to enjoy physical immortality amidst paradise.
see?
to leftbehinders the jews are fungeable.
I watched Soul Train all the time, thor.
Now you sound like Amanda, nishi. It’s a common story. I recommend you get over it.
hmmm…i think mccain better run from hagee like a scalded cat.
in restrospect accepting that endorsement was awful stupid.
did mccains handlers vet hagee at all????
this is shaping up to be a blogstorm.
nasty weather.
And Obama better get away from Wright as quickly as possible, nishi. Only I don’t think McCain attends Hagee’s church.
also, like one of my favorite sayings in arabic…
u know how we say, “lie down with dogs, get up with fleas?”
the arabs say, “lie down with wolves, get up with wounds.”
That would be one tremendous Sunday drive to church–from Arizona to San Antonio. Shoot, the Texas part of that ALONE is 590 miles.
but Dan…the invulnerability coating is working.
i dont completely unnerstand it…look wat althouse says…
I think Barack Obama didn’t go far enough distancing himself from Louis Farrakhan, but,/b> McCain stood on a stage with John Hagee and openly accepted his endorsement.
mccain is worse accordin to Ann.
i predict the hagee youtube will get a lot more views than anything about Wright or Farrakhan.
i wonder why that is.
mccain is worse accordin to Ann.
Well yeah. Ann’s a Democrat that voted for Obama.
this is why i think….
Very much like Farrakhan, Hagee has regularly made remarks about current events and other religions that many would find alarming. But unlike Farrakhan, he has never truly faced the scrutiny of the mainstream press, and major politicians like Joe Lieberman and John McCain have freely associated with him.
the startle factor.
it is like muckracking.
wow…..watch the video
Are you *ever* going to just admit you’re a bigot?
Intra-flock jibber-jabber is tedious. If you guys believe what you believe, then yeah, those other guys are all the devil. Good. Enjoy. Swearing at people is fun. Then we live.
But this, from the second link —
— this hurts.
Oh, Allah. Keeping up this universal standard of rube-denunciation since the TNR/Hot Air/Reason anti-Paul-fest — for which it was only an expediency, remember? — has wrecked your mind. We miss you so much.
This “Whore of Babylon” crap is funny, dammit. Remember? Shit. Don’t go out like this. Photoshop a rubber snake in his hand. Put a McCain bumper sticker on his forehead if you have to, but, sweet Jesus, not this.
It hardly matters. McCain is not-Obama. That’s what’s going to put him over the top if anything will. Is Hagee a not-Obama thing? Why, yes, I think he is. There’s that then.
Also I still have no idea who this Hagee is cause they block YouTube here. I’ll try a proxy later, but, anyway, all this sort of associationy nonsense gets cleanslated if he picks a strong VP, and if he picks a Hick-style VP, then I really can’t even be a part of any of this anyway.
feets the ppl in the max blumenthal video are terrifying.
u have to watch.
im pretty sure i know where the email spam about O being the antichrist is coming from now.
i miss the old Allah too.
he was the bombdiggity.
do u think it cud be demonic possession?
mebbe we cud have him exorcised.
Who’s named first?
Linky.
obamacan
Obama in a can?
dont matter pablo.
the sheilds are holding.
for some reason hagee is gonna be a BFD where wright is not.
The funniest thing, is we are supposedly in the position where we are supposed to be DEFENDING McCain. When the large majority of us didn’t want him. Most of us are gonna vote for him simply because he’s not Hillary or Obama. McCain could tongue-kiss Hagee on stage, and I still wouldn’t vote for a Dem.
I’m voting for notHillary or notObama.
But, for the record – the association of Obama with Wright is more troubling than the endorsement of McCain by Hagee.
McCain needed a shot in the arm with the evangelicals. Politicians do what they have to do to get votes. That’s why Obama twists every which way in the winds telling everyone else what they want to hear (NAFTA, anyone?) More important is what they actually believe.
So, is Obama afrocentric? And, is that a quality you desire in a president?
Only in your mind, nishi, and those of your fellow travelers. America won’t even notice, let alone care.
carin i think u shud watch the max blum video.
those ppl are freakin lobbyists for the apocalypse.
Can someone post what the keywords would be for the super-scathingy Hagee/McCain love4ever video? It’s after two so I can use a proxy now.
hehe…we shall see pablo.
consider my record.
bird flu nishi 1 insty 0
menchaca/tucker nishi 1 allahpundit 0
harmony db nishi 1 everybody else 0
Pastor John Hagee Endorses McCain Added: 19 hours ago
John McCain Embraces John Hagee Religious Extremism Added: 1 month ago
McCain with Hagee: The Crazy Israel Lobby Added: 2 months ago
MCCAIN ACCEPTS HAGEE ENDORSEMENT Added: 5 hours ago
Which one is the one everyone is talking about?
And who was keeping score there, nishi? That’d be you, right? And yet you’ve been all but thrown off of the internet….
we are talkin about the one althouse linked which is just hagee giving a lecture on the whore of babylon and the blood of the jews.
Try Google. McCain Hagee, 128K results. Obama Wright 481K results.
Do the math.
haha, yup pablo.
but not before i got bill frist to answer a podcast question from a cartoon character and got charles to delink discardedlies.
rawr.
;)
not that one pablo…the one althouse linked.
hagee’s whore of babylon talk.
and the hidden variable is ppl are googling a lot more for obama than mccain.
i dare u to watch the TPM max blumenthal video pablo.
i double dog dare u.
No you didn’t. That was VFI. See, you’re just lying. And no one is buying it.
I don’t feel like watching the video, Nishi, but tell me … is McCain in the background doing an Amen? Does McCain attend his church?
Supporter are just that. An Obamaniac had a Che poster in her office, right?
Linky
carin these ppl are lobbying for the apocalypse.
its a little different.
Oh. I think I found it. He keeps pointing to this like lady on a tiger or something. He’s pretty clearly bonkers, but he’s also disturbingly unabashedly like unattractive. Like even if you’re fat you don’t have to look like that, which makes me think he’s one of those totally unselfaware people that really don’t know just how far they’ve let themselves go. I always feel sorry for people like that but not enough to try to help.
hahaha, ok it wasnt me.
im pure as the driven snow.
…from my people, who are lobbying for Xanadu.
Ick though. McCain needs to associate with a better class of people I think. Trashy.
feets u shud watch the max blumenthal video at TPM
they are ALL fat.
and they are lobbying for the apocalypse, they want america to bomb Iran to bring on the Rapture.
Ok. I feel like I’m still catching up. Who would be responsible for McCain thinking these were people he needed to slobber all over?
u shud watch the max blumenthal video at TPM
they are ALL fat.
and they are lobbying for the apocalypse, they want america to bomb Iran to bring on the Rapture.
Uh, u shud watch the video again, nishi. And try to pay attention this time.
carin these ppl are lobbying for the apocalypse.
its a little different…
Like, actually lobbying? In Washingtond DC? That is troubling.
That they are fat, though, really seals the deal. Where do I go to get my Obama sticker?
Well, no. I said specifically he looked like hell and that he didn’t have to just cause he was fat but he did anyway cause he’s obviously just not a very well put together kind of guy. Like really obviously.
Also he’s bonkers.
It appears from the results of history that Americans have not elected a President on the basis of their eschatology. There’s certainly a Christian based eschatology that understands portions of scripture in a prophetic context and there are several other Christian eschatologies that vary in that scope. Americans expect tolerance with each other as regards belief.
I don’t expect that because Hagee grants support to McCain and McCain accepts it that Hagee has the expectation that McCain embraces his eschatalogy. I certainly don’t think that’s what it means.
But all that is certainly a far cry from Mr. Obama’s nanny-state religion that takes from my productive hands and gives to those who will waste it and who promises to inhabit our lives with the benign state. That’s the inherited eschatology from the far left that he offers and while I’m willing to tolerate what they believe, I won’t support that admixture of church and state.
Yeah, but the resident illiterate doesn’t care if *those* theocrats take power.
Yes. MC is right. Grumpy posts today, or I mean posts that make me grumpy. Hagee is repulsive and McCain is really needing to not hang with the repulsive cause I just got all used to being he who votes for McCain. Before then we had royalty. Gack. I hate royalty. They for real should all die screaming. And Andy and big gay breakthrough. And then Sharon with her bleach job and her midlife crisis. I hope Thor flushes her cats. Not really great notes to end the week on.
C’mon happy. Hang in there. Every’ting gonna be alright. Uh-huh.
I guess. Everything’s just so heavy. And Jeff is really a lot quiet today. There’s been a lot of stupid what needs addressing, like that barryL. And I’m just too tired to give it much of a go. And also Shakira has been drifting into my office all day from NG’s office. That can’t be helping.
The more I watch this campaign, the more I think McCain is taking campaign advice from Nishi.
Obama gets outed for telling the Canadians he was just posturing when he told those rubes from Ohio that he didn’t really mean it when he bashed NAFTA. Althouse jumps in with “McCain endorsed by Fundie Nut nobody ever heard of.” Crowd immediately jumps on McCain.
Edwards was a slicker lawyer than Althouse will ever be. How did he lose?
That saying about the intelligence of the American people? It remains to be proven, but judging by the comments here, it may be true. Or ADHD has become an epidemic.
It won’t matter. Even if you think the American people are as stupid as nishi seems to think they are, they are not so stupid as to miss the fact that whenever Obama opens his mouth relating to policy he says something idiotic. He’s a rookie, and that’s going to be very clear by the time we get to November.
That said, McCain is still an ass. Nothing has changed on that front. The people will still take an ass who will do right by them over a hopeychangy pup who only panders to the crowd he’s in front of.
I pray you are right EG.
I’m taking the primary off, but in the general I’ll vote for McCain. I guess I’ll take the ass over the pup. As Jeff says, they’re both statists, but the pup looks to be on a whole other level.
Rob: Yeah, but the resident illiterate doesn’t care if *those* theocrats take power.
Which certainly represents a problem. Many of those who stormed the Bastille were of the same sort of illiterati, filled with rather yes-we-can expectations not realizing that they were laying palm fronds for Robespierre and Napoleon.
Am I being too hopey to think that there are enough of us who will stand athwart history yelling, ‘Stop!’?
I got my athwarty on.
McCain is beginning to reawaken my sense of humor.
Mr.Tough Guy is deserting everything he claimed to be.
Fuck him, fuck me, fuck everybody. He is toast if he keeps up this wimp shit. I didn’t like him to start with, and now he is out-Doling Dole.
We are fucked. I hope the USA makes it through an Obama presidency, but I have my doubts.
Kruschev was right. We have lost without a shot being fired.
Oh well. Not my problem.
Actually, my problem is a landlord with a grain alcohol buzz (to be kind), and a really bad attitude.
But, hey! I hope that’s not your problem.
nishi, you really want to watch something creepy, watch this:
http://www.dipdive.com/dip-politics/wato/
Ohnoes. Bush used words to fear us into voting for him. Obama uses a Gap ad.
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
Too funny.
#65
9/11 changed the way a lot of people see politics. Changeyness and hopeyness aren’t going to cut it for the majority of voters.
but rusty ppl are sick of teh outrage.
and the greenwald message has a lot of recipients, u know, u saps got feared into voting for GW and he spent all ur mortgage money on a stupid war we cant win.
We couldn’t help get feared. Bush used words. He’s dangerous eloquent like that.
Hagee thinks seven hills represent Rome? He thinks that “whore” in prophecy always stands for monotheism in it’s most advanced degree of degeneracy? The next thing you know, he’ll say that the Reformation was neccessary! I just don’t think I’ll ever stop puking with shame and outrage over such gob-smacking Protestantism!!!
He’s stupid, Dave. And he looks like a big Jesusy Baby Huey.
This is someone parodying nishi, right? Because that’s a depth of idiocy I’ve never seen plumbed before.
Sick of an outrage manufactured by themselves, for their own amusement. Nuance or subtlety? It’s hard to tell the difference. Changeyhopitude. With all the breathless anticipation of a six year old awaiting the ice cream truck.
You could be right that it’s not the real Nishi. Still waters run deep and Nishi can’t be still, so I’ve always assumed…