No, really, wow.
Christine O’Donnell’s candidacy is evidently dead because of something she said on “Politically Incorrect” (quick, take note of the show’s freakin’ name) in the 1990s — but only because Tea Partiers are evidently small-minded religious bigots who will be so OUTRAGED by this ANTI-CHRISTIAN DEMON WORSHIP that they’ll forget all about fiscal conservatism and smaller government and remain home election night, allowing an unrequited Marxist to win the state.
At least, that’s the argument — and it’s one that speaks poorly of the small-minded religious bigots who have essentially just KILLED O’Donnell’s candidacy with their small-minded religiosity. Meaning, those who backed her. The Tea Partiers.
Whereas on the other hand, Patrick Frey would, as he tells us, still vote for O’Donnell despite her brush with the Great Horned Beast. Because unlike the small-minded Tea Partiers (crazed, simple-minded bitter clingers that they are) to whose attention Patterico (and Maher) are hoping to bring this shocking information, Frey is far more broad-minded and fair. He’s about the issues. He is sophisticated enough to see how this means exactly nothing, politically speaking — except, of course, insofar as it will kill O’Donnell’s chances once she loses support of the small-minded religiously bigoted Christian Tea Partiers who make up O’Donnell’s constituency, those who will now (unlike Patrick) recoil in horror at these “revelations.”
This is what the Republican voters of Delaware get for not listening to those who know better.
Listen: I’m loath to get involved with anything Frey-related ever again. But this kind of response — where Frey declares her candidacy dead because of her “witchcraft” revelations while at the same time noting that, of course, he’d still vote for her over a socialist/Marxist — is demonstrably insulting to those who backed O’Donnell in the first place, or to those who might respond favorably to her political and policy messages going forward. (Honestly, is having “dabbled in witchcraft” — and really, who takes this seriously to begin with? — somehow supposed to stop, say, independents and the more thoughtful Democrats from voting for O’Donnell’s small government message over a bald Marxist tax raiser?)
Does Frey really think much of O’Donnell’s support comes from a powerful Delaware anti-witch voting bloc, whose bluenose members would rather either stay home or throw their lot in with a godless Marxist, than to cast a vote for someone who was once young, but who now ostensibly represents their small government interests?
Really?
Really?
Because that doesn’t speak well of who he — and others like him, who are revealing themselves of late — thinks make up the Tea Party movement.
And in that regard, he’s not much different from many in the mainstream press.
O’Donnell may turn out to be a total loon. That’s not what I’m concerned about. Nor do I believe she is beyond criticism. What bothers me is the attitude about who is supporting these grass roots conservative candidates that is being made manifest by putative conservatives.
Oh. And incidentally, let me say this: anticipating all of the valid responses one would have to these revelations doesn’t discredit the valid responses. That is, just because you’ve anticipated that someone will say, “so? She’s on Bill Maher, for Chrissakes!” doesn’t mean that when someone says, “so? She’s on Bill Maher, for Chrissakes,” it isn’t a valid response.
Of course, YMMV.
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update: Naturally, I could be wrong. So let me ask you social cons who frequent pw: does this revelation really hurt O’Donnell? Or does it simply show who those on the left — and certain conservatives — believe you all to be?
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update 2: related.
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update 3: Dan Riehl responds to Patrick while also noting other things.
My own dealings with the fellows at Powerline have always been amicable; but as this “story,” such as it is, seems to be about the workings of the party insiders, I feel obligated to note these things.
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update 4: Mark Levin reminds us (pointedly) that Barack Obama dabbled in cocaine — and that doing so (and our knowledge of such) didn’t kill his career.
So I guess there’s hope for Ms O’Donnell yet.
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update 5: Hillbuzz, with some free advice.
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update 6: In an update, Frey writes:
UPDATE x4: Jeff Goldstein claims that I am saying O’Donnell will lose because Tea Partiers will be turned off by this. Of course, that’s not what I’m saying at all — as I thought was perfectly clear from my post. I doubt Tea Partiers will care about this. As I say in the post, I think they will defend her to the nth degree. But Tea Partiers aren’t a majority in Delaware. I think voters in the middle will think it is plain weird, and laugh at her. And not want to vote for her.
I hope I’m wrong. I don’t think I am. We’ll see.
Of course, this is quintessential Frey. The fact is, I didn’t merely cite his post. I linked a comment Frey made under the post itself, which I’m happy to quote here in full:
When I first heard about this I thought it was a practical joke. I read a PowerLine post saying Maher said he had video, and I thought: oh, he just wants to test the Tea Partiers to see how outrageous a thing she could say, and still get support from the True Conservatives.
Even though the video is real, THIS STILL TESTS THAT PRINCIPLE. I think this kills any chance she had dead. But I know the Riehls and Levins of the world will find some way to brush this off. It will be interesting to watch how they do it.
The bolding and the ALL CAPS has been added by me at no extra charge.
Frey then updates again:
UPDATE x5: Shockingly, Mark Levin has linked Goldstein’s flawed reading of this post. And he said he was done with me. LIAR!!!
For what it’s worth, I not only sent a trackback to Goldstein when I published UPDATE x4, but I also e-mailed him since then, to specifically direct his attention to the fact that the author of this post disagrees with his interpretation. He acknowledged receipt of the e-mail but has not updated his post to reflect my disagreement with the way he portrayed what I wrote. INTENTIONALISM!!!
What has that to do with intentionalism?
And this, too, is typical Frey. When he says I “acknowledged receipt of the e-mail but” haven’t updated my post to reflect his disagreement, what he doesn’t tell you is that I asked him if his disagreement was noted in the post I’d already linked. Which it is.
So why in the world do I need to update my post to reference something that is posted in a post I’ve already linked to?
I mean, the disagreement is at the link I gave. Meaning, I already acknowledged it. Before he even wrote it!
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy?
meme of the day
Christine O’Donnell’s Career, RIP
Being hip while conservative is important, JG. Probably it borders on edgy, even.
well…..i’d vote for a witch before i’d vote for a
retardyoung earth creationist.CHRISTINE O’DONNELL: Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that.
I find your comments provocative, noogie, and want to subscribe to your newsletter on the perils of Xtianism, Scientology, and Area 51.
Lawls.
Here’s your song du jour feets. Call your radio station and request it!
yur pretty fly for a white guy.
<3
does it simply show who those on the left — and certain conservatives — believe you all to be?
That one.
I don’t give a rip about what any politician (or person) does during his/her misspent yout (sic). Everyone does stupid stuff at that age, and even later. As long as they later recognize it as stupid, what’s the diff?
Glenn Beck used to snort coke off the backside of whores; now he’s an effing Mormon, and he still drew a crowd of 300-500K people on a religious pilgrimage, for the sake of Pete.
They like to think we’re the witchcraft-phobic hysterics who burned copies of Harry Potter, despite the fact that HP was and continues to be wildly popular in the Christian community because of its, you know, quasi-Christian imagery.
It’s always psychologically satisfying to demonize one’s opponents. You can be morally superior with just a few keystrokes instead of having to engage in all that messy introspection and repentance.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=431961170945
shorter ‘plaint:
why won’t you right-wing hictard bitter-clinger Jesus-freak yahoos keep to the tropes we’ve assigned for you!
Epistemic closure burns like Irony
Nishi, how does being a young-earth creationist affect one’s ability to cut a bloated bureaucracy and fight corruption?
I would vote for a Richard-Dawkins atheist who believes passionately in small government over an apostle from my Church who wants to expand the role of government. In. A. Heartbeat.
Electing people because you identify with their “team” is a rather shallow way to go through life, Nishi. The deep water is much scarier but there’s so much more to wonder at.
Clearly you aren’t doing social con correctly.
From Levin’s Facebook comments in newsrouter’s #7:
All the Internet’s a stage, dicentra, and all the proteins merely players.
Clearly you aren’t doing social con correctly.
Clearly not.
And yet Pat doesn’t love me. Such cruelty in this world! How shall I go on?
Meh. I don’t care about all that Frey/Levin stuff, honestly. Except for its nostalgia value.
I just can’t believe the kernel argument of Frey’s piece. As with the Limbaugh debate, he seems always to worry himself over how those other conservatives and on-the-fence independents who aren’t quite as bright as he will react to certain statements / video clips. It’s rather elitist, don’t you think?
I hope my amnesty isn’t revoked because of this, by the way. I mean, I believe I made a fair argument, did I not?
Re: #3
Using mitochondrial DNA, scientists have pegged the start of the female side, and, one would presume, the male too, of the human race at around 100,000 years ago.
This makes the differences between Chinese, and say, the Irish, somewhat problematic from a strictly evolutionary perspective.
But keep pluckin’ that atheist chicken, Nishi!
Hasn’t dawned on him that evangelism works best from really big stadiums?
This may not really turn out as bad as it seems at first blush for O’Donnell. Tea-Partiers are not necessarily Social conservatives. And, any of the truly religious among them should be motivated by their ideals of mercy and notions of forgiveness to ignore any youthful indescretions. Especially if their Christians…
I just hope that she has actually canceled her Sunday talk-show appearances out of a desire attend a local campaign event, and is not “choking” over this revelation.
Because, you know, it would definitely be easy to fact check.
From the other side, I regularly vote for people I don’t agree with on social con issues because we’re in agreement on all the other stuff.
Granted, I probably wouldn’t vote for a young earth creationist to head up a biology department but I seldom seem to see that on the ballot.
FILTHY SELL-OUT ESTABLISHMENT RINOS DIGGING UP DIRT FOR THE LIBS TO SMEAR HER WITH!
I’LL BET IT WAS EITHER THAT TRAITOR ROVE OR DR. KRAUT!
I made a fair argument, did I not?
You’d have had better luck with logical-fallacy-laden, sycophantic screed than an even-tempered presentation of this point and that.
That’s your problem, Goldstein: you could climb the ladder so much faster if you didn’t insist on all that logic, exposition, definition of terms, and insistence on clarity.
I don’t care about all that Frey/Levin stuff, honestly.
But it’s always nice to have someone else confirm one’s perspective. Arguing with a personality disorder can leave you wondering if you’re the crazy one.
Desperate New Smear Against Christine O’Donnell: ‘She Turned Me Into a Newt’
I like how Conservatives are constantly held to some unattainable standard while Coons may be an axe murderer for all we know (it’s not like the media cares to check him out).
There is someone running against O’Donnell, right?
Evolution is referring to this article, I believe.
Had it posted on my facebook page.
This from your link in update two is how actual Christians that I knowand am react.
It isn’t about her. It’s about turf.
The leaders of the establishment GOP — and their supporters and enablers — care only about their own standing in the pecking order.
Power.
At least, that’s the way I see it.
dicentra, two reasons.
1. Delaware has the second highest proportion of scientists and engineers per 1k citizens in the nation.
2. Can you say……texas schoolboard textbook rewrite? people care about the quality of their childrens education in Delaware.
i imagine the DNC will paint YECs as trying to destroy the chances of Delaware children to get into ivies.
damn those elites!
NWBCW!
NWBAW!
feets….new musik…. membah when i showed u Lady Gaga the first time? this is next…. Far East Movement
where there’s witches dollars to doughnuts there’s lesbians afoot … wiccan lesbians with their pentagrams and their girl scout cookies and their perky breasts and
It’s rather elitist, don’t you think?
Plenty of people in both political parties believe that you and I are too stupid to be entrusted with important decisions. (Well, maybe not you, but definitely me.) The only difference is that the Republican elitists seem not to want to run every aspect of your life for you the way the Democrat elitists do (excepting maybe your sex life). I don’t know. Maybe the Republican elitists do too.
You’d think all those bright scientists and engineers would look at the failures of Marxism and take that into account before casting their votes.
you stalinist clowns cornered the market on that some time ago
Yeah, I don’t see the hand of any GOP establishment here JeffG. Unless you’re referring to Pat. I’m pretty sure at this point they’re behind O’Donnell and not opposing her.
At least, they’d better be. And it’s about time for that sore loser Castle to congratulate and get behind her too, instead of circulating his resume to Obama through Biden.
hey I do remember you linked just dance before anybody else oh hey you didn’t click I linked those for you a couple days ago
the cataracs are the future
You’re kidding, right?
I’ve always said those folks in Delaware were unique.
plus that sneaky quad never sleeps
dicentra, living as I did in Montgomery AL for most of my life, I ran into the HP-burners long ago. Long before they went after J.K. Rowling, they were denouncing C. S. Lewis as a minion of Satan because of the Chronicles of Narnia.
Seriously. C. S. freaking Lewis!!?!!!?
Ironically, this makes me more inclined to like Christine than I did before. As C. S. Lewis said in Screwtape proposes a Toast:
I am prepared to take someone who has a few eccentricities if she will stand by her principles.
That’s exactly right, Jeff. I’m supposed to view young earth creationism and the like as disqualifying but then I’m supposed to ignore the mountains of leftist economic nonsense?
nishi the KingsLayer has, as ever, an overly enthusiastic opinion of herself.
Patrick Frey does appoint. Which I think of as the opposite of disappoint: he’s living up to my lowest expectations.
if they did they wouldn’t send them to gov’t run schools
i[sic] imagine the DNC will paint YECs as trying to destroy the chances of Delaware children to get into ivies[sic].
Let us hope so, as CO’D is not running for the state board of education! GLWT!
re: #15 so fuckin what?
^^ see above.
No Jeff, I’m serious. Perhaps I’m too optimistic, which is generally the case, but I’m thinking that they’ve recognized the will of the voters in Delaware, but have also realized what their petulant initial response looked like to a great number of folks as well as the ads they effectively wrote for the Democrats in doing so.
Although some of the punditry are still shaking their heads, it seems like the actual party members sounding supportive. We’ll see what transpires on the Sunday talking heads TV shows.
In Delaware, the Delaware Republican establishment will support her by not publically opposing her. In private most of them will find a way to oppose her, e.g. at the voting booth if nowhere else
Bob —
Mouthing the party line after the damage is done hardly means the establishment GOP is blameless. As you yourself say, they’ve already effectively written the ads for the Dems.
I just hope they decide to give the same amount of attention to O’Donnell’s competitor. Which would mean getting past their failed backroom deals and behaving like they care about being conservatives rather than kingmakers.
a well considered reply
texas schoolboard textbook rewrite?
The one where they’re putting back in all the black heroes and founders from the Revolution and before? Like Benjamin Banneker, Richard Allen, James Armistead, Jordan Freeman, Lambert Latham, Peter Salem, Prince Whipple, and Lemuel Haynes?
The names none of us have heard of because they were obliterated from American history during the progressive eugenicist movement by Woodrow Wilson?
THAT rewrite?
Yeah. We can’t have that.
The left’s (and the establishment Republican’s) attacks on Christine O’Donnell (remind you of the immediate attacks on Sarah Palin?) may not matter. Because the Starfish Party has already won, according to Ms. Stoddard…
Let ’em cut off that O’Donnell arm. We’ll just grow another.
You anti-revisionist, dicentra..
Shhh, dicentra.
You’re going to hurt her widdle head.
yes feets, <3 the cataracts.
NWBCW!
Jeffie....this is going to hit in October. Do you think it will affect the election?
Assange LEARNED……this time the docs will be processed into tv stories.
the revolution will be televised.
;)
I see it as in many ways a generational thing. Please note that the majority (at least) of the actual, in power NRC are acting as if they can see lightning and hear thunder, both in the Delaware race and the Alaskan one. The divide among Republicans is mostly between the Old Guard, most of whom are out doing consulting and commentary, and the practicing politicians, most of whom are either endorsing and supporting their Party’s candidate or keeping their mouths shut.
What you might call the Frey-Rove axis is expressing the same notions that got the TEA parties started up in protest — them hicks is jes’ a bunch’a ignernt biggots an’ cain’t tah thar own shoes, much less figger out th’ new-ahnces of Real Office. It remains to be seen whether or not they can damage O’Donnell, but you might recall that the attempt (mostly by the same bunch) to get the “so-cons” to rise up in anger at George W. Bush because of his drunk-driving and drug use as a yout fell pretty flat. Certainly none of the people I’m willing to call “Christian” paid much attention to it, except as an attack on them.
Regards,
Ric
See, serr8d? I have my moments, even if I am a libelous cowardly scumbag asshole unemployable manbaby who plays the race card and uses big words to say nothing.
i wonder how many democrats in delaware in these economic times given the choice, of a bearded marxist who as county executive inherited a surplus than spent that and needed to raise property taxes 3 times verses a witch who doesn’t masturbate but believes in fiscal conservatism, will vote for?
class war is where they take all my monies before I can buy a house and name it pudding pop manor and have everybody over for iced tea and strawberry cupcakes and introduce them to my kitty Mr. Peaches
Yes. I think it will prove how so over the 60’s so many American voters are — and that the election of Obama was, as I always said, more about symbolism than about policy.
— Which is why the pendulum swing back by those who believed he’d be moderate enough to do no harm is going to be big.
But that’s just my guess. We’ll see.
Is Team D running on Iraq again in 2010, noogie?
Took a lot of heat on Ace on this topic. Haven’t read much here as I have a wife and a life to enjoy (even if the Gators are doing everything to give me a heart attack). As I said over on Ace on what is now a dead thread (and too much to keep up with)…Money talks. Place your bets:
http://tinyurl.com/2bwk6da
Another example of the kind of support she can expect is encapsulated in Frey’s post. If here were a DE resident, Hedl vote for her, because he’s a Good Republican and that’s what Good Republicans do. But he wouldn’t campaign for her or contribute to her, and he’d make a point of saying just that. And, when these kinds of attacks pop up, he’d point to them as proof of why he was right all along in opposing her during the primary.
You can’t allow too many of these far right unelectable loonies slip through, after all. If they win, it screws with the narrative and we can’t have that, can we? Not if we’re going to have pragmatic, accommodationist conservatism. If too many of these Teatards get elected, us rubes might actually start expecting the G.O.P. to behave like a conservative party.
wtp —
If a Republican candidate who votes for cap-and-trade wins, how is that really a win for Republicans or those they represent?
Send in the Marxist. I don’t much care. Just make sure people know who it is they are sending. The choices couldn’t be more stark, and that’s the way it should be.
Nishi, remember when I asked you when they’d bring the immigration bill to the floor in the House? Remember your answer?
I also hope they expend the same energy scritinizing Coons Jeff, and I’m not saying they are blamesless at all. I think the whole idea of putting Castle up was crazy to begin with. He would have been about as reliable a vote in the Senate as Specter, or Collins, or Snowe is. He had voted for more than half of the Obama agenda as a congressman.
Kingmaker is a strong term. I agree that they went down the road to perdition, so to speak, in pursuing what they thought was realpolitik in the Delaware senate race. But I don’t see the entire party as being the problem, just some of the particular folks in the party. Kind of like the Catholic church :)
The Church has wayward priests, and the GOP has stealth, and overt, RINOs (or RATS as Ric says).
They need to remember that they are supposed to be supporting like minded candidates nationwide, the folks selected by the voters, instead of deciding who should be running at all. But I don’t subscribe to the equivalence of the parties. I do think one is worse that the other.
i think cedarcupcakecrest sounds better
them hicks is jes’ a bunch’a ignernt biggots
The peasants are revolting. Always revolting.
Harry Reid Doesn’t Like Smelly Tourists
Look, I’m not saying don’t vote O’Donnel, but if you’re the type to spend money on politicos and you have limited resources (who doesn’t), money spent on O’Donnel when it could be spent where it can do some good, is wasted. As I said on Ace, money talks. Check the link. I gotta take wife to dinner soon as Gators lock this up, so can only respond in next minute or so, but this woman is HIGHLY unlikely to lure more voters than she already got in the primary. Indies don’t have to vote for her or against her. But she’s gonna need every vote she can get and she doesn’t look, umm, sponge-worthy, if you get my drift.
Nishi,
The good feelings (actually relatively less pain) do not come until you stop hitting your head against the wall.
The more you lefties go down this path the more pathetic you look and the less attention you get.
Try addressing Dicentra, or is this “re: #15 so fuckin what?” the best you got?
Christine O’Donnell in 1999: I Dabbled in Witchcraft…
Oh, come on. She was young: You think any of this might show up in a campaign commercial? I dabbled into witchcraft — I never joined a coven. But I did, I did. . . . I didn’t join a coven, I didn’t join a coven, let’s get this s…
Christine O’Donnell in 1999: I Dabbled in Witchcraft…
Oh, come on. She was young: You think any of this might show up in a campaign commercial? I dabbled into witchcraft — I never joined a coven. But I did, I did. . . . I didn’t join a coven, I didn’t join a coven, let’s get this s…
nishi, to expand on Jeff G’s answer I will borrow an image from Vonnegut: the revelations will have precisely the impact of a banana-cream pie (with coconut-sprinkled meringue) 1.23 meters in diameter and 0.31 meters thick, dropped from a height of 4.17 meters.
The anti-
warBush movement that might have made something out of it here in the United States has cut its own nuts off by essentially ceasing operations in the Glorious Light of O; Cindy Sheehan, who once had an entourage rivaling the Vice President’s, nowadays can’t get a reporter with a notebook, much less a teevee camera, and the rump of Code Pink is frozen in place by internal debate that inevitably concludes that they can’t do anything that might not redound to the benefit of His O’liness. There will be shrieks and shouts from the likes of Kos and Crooked Timber, but the rest of America will shrug it off — and the delay they’re counting on to heighten the suspense simply gives time to discount it in advance. The International Left will attempt to make much of it; they won’t manage any great splash for the same reasons Code Pink can’t, and will have near-nil impact here because Americans are already accustomed to The Guardian, et. al., being filled with cut-and-paste repeats of WE HATE AMERICANS! KILL THE AMERICANS! KILL! KILL!, and this will be just another instance.To the meager extent it impacts the elections, the force will fall on pure-leftoid politicians who discredit themselves by allying themselves with it. Banana cream custard really doesn’t splash as far as it looks like in the movies, and the ones that get the most splattered are inevitably the ones closest to the thrower.
Regards,
Ric
“I also hope they expend the same energy scritinizing Coons Jeff,”
EXZACTLYYYYY!!! Rocketman, Volleys Down Range, Damn the Torpedoes, Full speed ahead.
wtp, O’Donnell has taken in more money than she ever dreamed of getting, mostly from individual donors to her website. What she does with that money will be the tell.
I doubt that she invests in Cajun voodoo dolls or 5-point star prayer mats. What she should do is spend that cash on ads exposing Coons as the ‘Bearded Marxist’ he is; in other words, attack him with everything she can throw at him, using the Alinsky guidlines. Some of that will spill onto the far-left Democrats who are also cloaked ‘Bearded Marxists’. If Obama catches some of the splatter, that’s the best of outcomes.
The first little pebble was long ago. It kicked off many more pebbles and larger stones and boulders. These things are easy to stop in the beginning but hard to see as something that is growing.
At the point we are at now this Koshism comes into play.
serr8d, the money I was talking about was on the tinyurl post (see above). Marketing dog food you can spend all you want, but it don’t matter if the dogs don’t eat it. Gotta go now…
Heh. Patterico trackback, as if his jubilation is something I want to see.
Go get you some of that jaywalker, boy.
I wouldnt be in to her being a witch now, as a 40-something. I suppose we all dabble in the foolish….
I drank too much, smoked a lot of weed and was a liberal.
Unless Im wrong, and I am often enough, I thought O’Donnell’s appeal is as a fiscal conservative and common sense Nat Sec sort…..
wtp –
It’s not so much the unwillingness to spend the money. It’s the public announcement, done in full pout, of their unwillingness to spend the money, that is at issue.
That she’s been able to raise so much means she has certain support in the state. That she won the primary means that certain Republicans believe she better represents the conservative agenda than does a putative Republican who will give them some of what they want at the expense of other things they don’t.
That is a principled stand. And I admire the stand. On the candidate, I don’t have much to offer.
Nice use of the multiple “Y”s Danger :)
I’m off to walk. Back in a bit.
“I thought O’Donnell’s appeal is as a fiscal conservative and common sense Nat Sec sort…”
That’s what I find appealing mcgruder. But I don’t live in Delaware, so all I can do is send her a few bucks and dismiss attempts at ginning up stories from her youth.
I’d sure hate for some of the stories of what I was doing 25-30 years ago to be aired publicly. But, you know, most make for some fond memories :)
Of course, let’s look at it this way: how many potential guests has Bill Maher just lost — and what are the ethics of what he’s doing here?
since wednesday $1,500,000 trying for $2,000,000
http://christine2010.com/
Exactly! And some of the pragmatists immediately agreed with it even though it was the very least pragmatic course available. It was pure hypocrisy driven by “I told you so” spite.
(To be fair, others didn’t.)
Back to your original question:
“Let me ask you social cons who frequent pw: does this revelation really hurt O’Donnell?”
No, in fact it probably helps her. As Dicentra noted in her examples and as Bob has also admitted to a “mispent youth”, her past discretions illustrate the power of redemption.
In other words she has demonstrated evidence of growth and maturity.
How bout we redirect the guns of judgement on the ones refusing to see the light.
So it isn’t just me who thinks this stuff is very obvious, bh?
Okay. Now I’m off to walk. Seriously this time. I have the weight vest on and everything.
“how many potential guests has Bill Maher just lost”
Maher has guests? Or viewers?
“and what are the ethics of what he’s doing here”
Maher has ethics?
By the way, I mentioned immigration reform to nishi above because she’s always predicting that great silver bullet that will destroy conservatives… any day now.
Before it was health care. Well, they’re running away from that. Then it was immigration reform. Don’t see them moving that ball as predicted. Now it’s wikileaks? C’mon.
There goes Bob again proving my point before I even make it.
Damn you and your rocket typing speed ;^)
It’s what great minds do Danger :)
Time for yard work.
Keep firing, POINTY END DOWN-RANGE PEOPLE!!!!
For anyone interested, take a look at this speech: http://tinyurl.com/24ut8ot
O’Donnell comes off pretty well, as far as I’m concerned. Coons should be looking over his shoulder. The lady is telegenic and connects well with her audience.
H/T The Other McCain
Btw, I’d run for office, if all I had in my past was a little witchcraft dabbling.
My past, unfortunately, is a little more, shall we say, checkered? Enough skeletons there that I’d just as soon keep in the closet, locked, chained and nailed shut.
You know, I’ve said since day one on this that the peulant reaction, of notable pundits and some of the GOP leaders, was 180 degrees out of phase with what their response should have been. And by now they should have had Castle demonstratively congratulating O’Donnell on her victory as well as pledging to support her candidacy in every way possible.
But I still don’t see them behind any of this. And I still don’t think that both parties are equivalent in their level of evil and duplicity. There’s a world of difference between Obama masqerading as a centrist and governing as a socialist, and the GOP supporting a sitting RINO congressman for the Senate in a deep-blue state.
Truth be told? They shouldn’t have been “behind” any candidate until after the primary…
Danger,
What I tried to cleverly allude to, without saying, was the old saw about great minds thinking alike.
But it came off more like I was patting myself on the back! That wasn’t my intent.
+1,000,000
I don’t think both parties are equal or any of that, Bob. Unfortunately there is a pattern here and it is troubling. Specter, Crist, Bennett, Murkowski and the NRSC throughout. Now O’Donnell/Castle.
They deserve to hear some criticism. Hopefully they will change their behavior.
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I am now sending money to her campaign! Bill Maher hasn’t been funny since,…well, ever! and he has no degree in “politics”. He is an insufferable, so called “comedian”, who thinks he has a degree in political science, or something! I ignore him.
I assumed my district would be a big D for all of eternity. O’Donnell gives me hope that things can change. She is wacky by many standards, but the so called intelligent people of the government have run us into the ground. The only candidates that run against the entrenched Democrat of my district are kind of crazy. I’ll vote crazy if that is the only choice.
“They deserve to hear some criticism. Hopefully they will change their behavior.”
Standing back just a bit to look a today’s outbreak, including also the general behavior we’ve seen the last week or two, as well as the constant behavior of the political left for the last decade or more, I’m struck by the positive efforts people are making to diminish themselves. So it’s hard to see that a self-motivated change is in the probable offing. It has been an eye-opening couple of weeks though, that’s fer damn sure.
Heh.
maybe there’s a team r journOlist?
And Patterico thinks that he is in a pissing contest with Mark Levin.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-levin/who-is-patrick-frey/431961170945
Here’s a thought expirement:
Everything in the DE Senate race is the same except for the following counterfactuals:
1a) Christine O’Donnell is the Democrat
1b) Instead of an “anti-masturbation activist,” she was involved in some kind of “outercourse” advocacy (boy, you should see her vibrator collection!)
2a) Coons is the Republican
2b) Instead of a bearded marxist, he went through a skin-head phase in his teenage years. (If that’s too extreme, he was a member or a white separatist college group which had associations with neo-nazi white supremacists.)
Question 1 Which party would be rejoicing? Which despairing over the election?
Question 2 Which one would recieve more sympathetic attention from the punditocracy?
I can visualize the Jolly Green Giant pissing on Hervé Villechaize, sure. Pat, got umbrella ?
Not so much newrouter, I think my mistake was when I read the Codevilla piece it didn’t occur to me to place Dr K or Paul Mirengoff into the ruling class. As I say, my mistake.
Patrick deleted/excised/lost my comment early in the O’Donnell thread wherein I suggested that vetting the Democratic Candidate might be a good idea.
My take – and this is based on my knowledge of women and the fact that I was an adult in the late 90s – is that the acid test for Christine O’Donnell and her witchcraft is whether she knows the lyrics to ** more ** than 3 Stevie Nicks songs.
If she does – not a problem for me, as a Republican.
If Christine doesn’t – burn her, she’s made of wood.
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But, alas and alack, Asst. DA – Patrick – “Maybe Not an Anti-Semite, I Don’t Know, but He Hasn’t Said “Money Grubbing” to a Jew for a Spell, so Maybe Patrick Frey Isn’t As Anti-Semite as He Appears to Have Been, to Me” – Frey lost my comment due to incompetence on his part.
Rather than to Patrick’s alleged Anti-Semitism morphing into Anti-Wiccanism. Hate is hate – maybe the Jews were a gateway religion for Assistant DA Patrick Frey to express his judgementalism – who are we to say.
… that Asst. DA Patrick Frey might be an Anti-Semite as well as possibly being an Anti-Wiccan.
or something.
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I agree regarding the promotion of those that have betrayed the core principles of the party or consistently and openly voted in support of the opponents agenda. I think they made too many Faustian bargains, or were swayed by cynical realpolitik arguments far too often.
But, there is something to be said for representing the will of the people in their hime state, regardless of whether they’re in the House or Senate(damn that 17th amendment!). To me, it begs larger questions, such as, it it reasonable to expect ideologcal purity from an official elected by a deep blue state?
I’m not down with the whole “purity” thing to begin with. My thinking is more in line with the, “2 legs of a three legged stool”, analogy you and geoffb outlined in another thread.
It’s one of those tough questions really; one that’s been muddled by a variety of social forces at wirk for the last 50 years. One that we wouldn’t have if more folks understood the content of the US constitution, the intent of it’s authors, and stopped seeing “emanations” and “penumbras” that they want to see coming from some “living” document whose meaning they can contort to achieve their immediate desired end.
Damn my HTML-Fu is stinkin’ on that last quote. Ignore mos of the eeeeevvvvollll italics.
Open Letter to Mike Castle Supporters –
Welcome to the NFL.
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Compared to Nancy Pelosi, ODonnell, is a huge upgrade.
Regardless of the verbal diarrhea
I’d urge that we don’t lose the thread. That is, this latest dust up isn’t about party. It is about class, at least class as defined by Codevilla: ruling or country. Which is also to say, it boils down to a question of power, not one of principle for the members of the ruling class. Or, power is their principle, which is also to say, the ruling class haven’t any principle. So the country people are dragged kicking and screaming into a power fight just in order to (re)win the capacity — if not the actual right — to have a principle other than the empty power.
i think it is more a mind set. take this post from nro:
Why Majorities Matter September 18, 2010 4:48 P.M. By Andrew Stuttaford
yes to have the majority you could eliminate the 1099 requirement but the wretched beast would still function. these folks are only looking to damper the proggs assault not repel them.
Can you say…pseudo-intellectual thirtysomething teenager?
There is no purity test. When you’re looking for a conservative/classical liberal, they either are or they aren’t.
If you’re looking for a GOP candidate who can win, that’s something else entirely. Some of us have decided it’s better to back the principles than the party, because backing the party has down little to promote the principles — and in fact has left is at a place where the political landscape has veered horribly left.
Time to try something else. Like, maybe, use our ideals as a weapon. Pragmatically.
I’m possibly not expressing myself well here, Bob.
My thrust really isn’t about purity per se. I honestly believe that reasonable men can disagree on what composes a RINO or a conservative and they can also reasonably disagree on the overall strategy concerning pragmatism vs idealism.
It’s about the party not respecting the will of the party members. That’s my problem. When they try to hand pick their favorites before the primaries. When after the fact they throw a tantrum over the results of the primary. That I have a serious problem with. That truly offends me. They’re not royalty, we’re not serfs. If they want to pretend differently, it’s a very American instinct to knock them on their pretentious asses.
Purity tests go both ways.
If an American who was fairly silly in his or her yout’ is too impure to be a politician, you’ve got nothing to say to me when I start spitting on RINOs.
Regards,
Ric
““They deserve to hear some criticism. Hopefully they will change their behavior.””
I for one plan to write letters escribing my disgust with the initial GOP reaction, as well as restating what I said upthread about the party refraining from getting on board with any one candidate until after the primary ends.
If it means earlier primaries, so be it.
And before you hurt your ribs laughing, I know the letters may not do much good, but it may force at least a little thought while composing the response.
I’ve been donating to campaigns directly for years anyway, and bypassing the national apparatus.
Coming right out with it helps. Silly Frey.
re: Purity Tests
I’ve found that purity is one thing, utility is another.
Pure gold is easily squished, impure gold hold its shape and can be used for a variety of tasks, depending on its purity.
Pure metals are worth more – intrinsically.
Impure metals are more useful – in reality.
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just a random thought.
purity test: bearded marxist who took a surplus squandered it and raised taxes 3 times or the witch that doesn’t masturbate and won’t raise your fed tax. dilemma for dems in del.
Time to try something else. Like, maybe, use our ideals as a weapon.
Why not? We’ve tried everything else!
Time to try something else.
Yeah, like, end all rent controls.
End rent controls? What, are you crazy? Besides, we like them.
Let me just say that “Shit I’ve Dabbled In” is a broad and fascinating category. That Bookworm Room post in Update 2 is a keeper.
my ideals are sex – and I’ve been told to not use sex as a weapon – by Pat Benatar, no less, who could kick all of our all’s ass.
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Tell me about it.
It’s one thing for conservatives to decide for themselves that witchcraft-dabbling is a deal killer; it’s another to be told by those sophisticated enough to see it as no big deal that it will, in fact, be a deal killer for the kinds of conservatives who back O’Donnell.
Or maybe others aren’t quite so anti-authoritarian as I tend to be.
2006 was fun to bad for the governing class it ain’t relevant.
The idea that “social con” = “church-going Christian” is one that’s overdue for the scrapheap. Jimmah Carter is a devout and church-going Christian. But he’s no social-con. A social-con, as the name suggests, is one who wants to conserve society, or a particular sort of society.
these folks don’t think that mccain/bush’s illegal alien citizenship bill ever existed. no, they’re suing arizona now for what? we be battling some powerful stupid.
I agree JeffG, the GOP has strayed from conservative principles; and really, it’s something we can blame Bush for. Although Bush did many things right, especially with the hand he was dealt, the bottom line is that he is a vestige of the Rockefeller Republicans; the ones Reagan defeated in 1980 with conservative ideas.And unfortunately for 8 years the Republicans followed the mistaken lead of their titular head, the sitting President, and forestalled criticism because there was already loads of that coming from the opposition over foreign policy. So it became an institutional problem.
In personally have always thought that we should use our ideals as our main tool to get elected.
When I criticize purity tests what I mean is that Chris Christie is not suddenly evil for endorsing Castle. There has to be some flexibility to account for the voters in the state, the most salient issues facing the nation, and the track record of person running for office. It’s far easier to control the legislative agenda as the majority, especially with an adversarial press.
And I really don’t know how much longer the nation can suffer the Obami. I truly believe that a second term of Damocrat control of Washington could be the ruination of the nation. Hell, that may happen if what they’ve done over the last 18 months isn’t repealed!
I’m no GOP shill, and don’t advocate a cynical sellout of principle, but I do think that it’s along the lines of the 3 legged stoll analogy that bh and geoffb made in another thread.
the pendulum can’t swing back, because of the demographic timer.
O’Donnell is just mini-Palin. The conservative base is enthralled with her, but she repells the demographics you should be wooing going forward; youth, minorities, and teh college educated.
You already have the base…..where they gonna go? O’Donnell, like Palin, is unelectable in the general.
The way I see it Jeff….this is your second chance to be classic liberals. The first one was in 1964– instead conservative leadership chose winning, via IQ-baiting and race-baiting.
Can there be redemption? can the GOP reach out to minorities and make a place for intellutuals?
you tell me.
I agree with 114 completely bh.
Bob Reed –
I’ve tried to send hand written letters to my representatives in congress only to receive a reply that hand written mail was all suspect.
How far out of touch can these people be? I used to at least receive Democratic talking points. I live in an area that has always been solidly Democratic and now for the first time I hear friends and family speaking the R word. Brave New World.
“I thought O’Donnell’s appeal is as a fiscal conservative and common sense Nat Sec sort…..”
I figure her appeal is as a combined fiscal con, social con, and common sense Nat Sec sort.
You know, what every Republican is SUPPOSED to be.
I just posted my thoughts on this several minutes ago, so here they are:
http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2010/09/odonnell-did-what.html
the pendulum can’t swing back, because of the demographic timer.
Boring summer reruns.
thanks karl the rover for your advice
Boring summer reruns.
Nishi will be drinking herself to sleep with a bottle of Kirin inside of two months.
lulz ;)
“this is your second chance to be classic liberals. The first one was in 1964– instead conservative leadership chose winning, via IQ-baiting and race-baiting.”
Yeah, because we all know that “classic liberals” believed that it is the duty of the state to micro-manage every citizens interactions with his fellows.
the stupid people we can’t help. the minorities yes.
Which is the same reason the sun can’t rise in the East again tomorrow. Boo!
With nishbot, Willie, Barrett, and AJB having shown up, this weekend has turned into a real twatapalooza.
Well, isn’t that interesting? No sooner do I finally find a version of Greasemonkey that will run TrollHammer on a beta oif Firefox 4, than squishi the braincellslayer turns up.
The pendulum, ehn disturbed from equilibrium, must always swing back nishi…
You all just listened to all your own propaganda, and believed it had swung as far left as y’all were trumpeting through your propaganda arm of the MFM; you blew the math by screwing up just which coordinate system you were working in, the true datum line, and the amount of damping involved.
Demographic bomb? Obama’s depression and the inability of young folks to get jobs is going to sour an entire generation on the left wing politics; much like Jimmy Carter did in the late 1970’s…
lawl
“can the GOP reach out to minorities and make a place for intellutuals?
Translation – “Can the GOP outbid the Dems for minority votes and adapt the warmed-over Marxist ideas of the left?”
I certainly hope not.
If you recall, Pablo, her response to Rubio was to just call him a coconut.
Because she thinks it’s important to reach out to minorities or something. It’s very confusing.
That’s a byproduct of the anthrax deal, and it is quite true. In fact, before your missive ever reaches the Hill, it has been irradiated, just in case. If you want to get your handwritten message across, fax it.
Indeed, bh. Indeed.
Does one dinner with the Moonies back when they were the big thing constitute a dabble.
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Also, did my motive count?
Senator Coconut has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
[M]aybe others aren’t quite so anti-authoritarian as I tend to be.
I was invited to apply to join an honor society once. As I recall one of the requirements for membership was to write an essay on the need to question authority. I toyed with the notion of composing an essay that would question the need to question authority before I decided the whole thing was a waste of time when I had a seminar paper to write.
Anyways, I only mention this because I think it would be funny to watch the “Question Authority!” types try to wrap their head around the idea of questioning the question authority idea.
As long as the authorities and which authorities speak with the voice of authority idea has come up, be it ever so tangenitally.
Look once more at this Ben Franklin quote, delivered on the day the Constitution was signed:
That old fellow was pretty damned sharp for a man in his eighties, for here we are: “. . . can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”
Nishi is a racist twat.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, nishi.
“But it came off more like I was patting myself on the back! That wasn’t my intent.”
Not to worry Bob, I saw the unspoken “thinks alike” inference all the way from my house:0 (and I was highly flattered 8^)
Twenty years spent in the Marxist Church of Hating on Whitey apparently means nothing when compared next to a brief episode in your twenties.
That aside, is she going to vote to cut spending? If the answer is yes I could care less if she was still doing the Wiccan thing right now.
In my lifetime, I’ve seen this similar situation play out before.
In 1992, I remember loads of “the staunchest” who declared they could never vote for, “that blue-blood, country club, establishment RINO Bush!”, so instead, they either sat on their hands or vited for Perot. Result: Clinton was elected President.
In 1996 all of the “true” conservatives said that Dole was far too liberal for their taste, and that Buchannan was the only reasonable choice; yes-Patrick J. Buchannan, of McLaughlin group and MSNBC fame. Even after Dole took Kemp as his veep, and Buchannan “blessed” the ticket, most stayed home. Result: Clinton was re-elected.
Now, the roles are reversed, but I fear that the results will be similar.
The Obami need to be defeated. I’m not saying to “embrace the suck!” of RINOs; I’m saying that, in most cases today, the RINOs have to accept the choice of the people. Except maybe in California…
she will be (figuratively) burned at the stake for this
The seat stays DEM
WTG, TEA party (look up “vetting the candidate” in the effin’ dictionary)
since when are “the minorities” leftist loser scumbags? i get it with the “intellutuals”
yes a bearded marxist shall rule
What’s quite funny is that nishi and the gang think that they’ll still be calling the shots when Hispanics constitute a majority of the Democratic party, as if they’ll be oh so thankful, shut up, and know their places. S/he/it will have a choice between the Brown Papist Pro-Life Anti-Ghey party and the White Christer Pro-Life Anti-Ghey party. Quite frankly, I’m of two minds on immigration in view of the just desserts that will be served. Here’s a new “future word” to learn, nishi – “la familia.”
“…I’ve seen this similar situation play out before.”
It could only have been but vaguely similar Bob, could it, given that never in the history of the nation has a Congress voted and a President signed a major piece of legislation the likes of the ObamaCare travesty, requiring citizens by mandate, punishable if omitted, to purchase a product at the government’s behest?
Thanks Pablo – I knew something like that was going on. Still, I’ve never seen our representatives so afraid of the people. I hope this is a good thing.
The witchcraft-dabbling will hurt her with a small minority, probably. I don’t think it’s a deal-breaker, and I really doubt it’s likely that it will be a primary cause of her losing, if she loses. I think it’s more telling how the punditocracy on both sides responds to all this. For many of them, this is a low moment.
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There’s a lot of pragmatists who’d probably agree with you, since race and IQ baiting seems to have kept a lot of people on the Democrat Plantation who otherwise wouldn’t be. The reason this doesn’t work is you can’t out pander a Democrat, if pandering is what people want.
it may force at least a little thought while composing the response.
Only if having your staff members skim a letter, determine what issues it addresses, and cut ‘n’ paste from your Official Response into the response comprises “thought.”
Re:Comment#27. The Left is all “we-we’d up” about the textbook hearings, and have been told that we banned the teaching of Evolution. The hearings this year were about history, not biology. Go to the Texas State Board of Education website and read for yourselves, the choices were reasonable, although not completely satisfactory to the Secular Humanists on the Board, who oppose the teaching of Christianity at public expense, which is entirely just, but who have sometimes made rather clumsy efforts to get Secular Humanism taught, funded by that same public source.
Whatever personal satisfaction or validation one may draw from creating a sense of superiority, it is only a false superiority if it is based on false facts, which, in this case, it is.
After discovering what a doofus Obama has turned out to be, the ‘minorities’ (are they a single organism?) should be ripe for a fresh look at conservatism.
Oh, and Col. Allen West* called, and he begs to differ with the folks running the ol’ Liberal Democrat plantation.
*The male version of Barack.
There is nothing surprising about just who it is that is so willing to carry Maher’s water.
sdferr, are you saying we need our very own Cornelius Sulla?
Great point. I was born in Laredo, Texas – a bordertown that is 95% Hispanic and is very socially conservative. Nishbot wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a place like that.
“…who oppose the teaching of Christianity at public expense, which is entirely just…”
I’m agnostic, yet I think this is an absurdity as regards what ought to be taught and what not. I can hardly think of a proposition further from justice than intentionally keeping children or young adults ignorant of the vast sweep of their own history.
I’m saying that at the very least the proposition lays squarely on the table Ernst, and that the sooner the people awake to it, the sooner they may repair themselves.
One more thing about those establishment buddy fuckers:
They think that if O’Donnell loses we will be cowed. Not a chance.
We need to remember who these assholes are, and just what they’ve done.
Fuck them with a claymore. The splodey kind.
the drones attack
the pendulum can’t swing back, because of the demographic timer
Yeah, just like at the end of that one Batman episode.
Can there be redemption? can the GOP reach out to minorities and make a place for intellutuals?
Tune in tomorrow. Same moonbat time. Same moonbat channel.
There’s something fitting in a thorough reaming with the pointy, edgey kind as well ThomasD.
I believe the Delaware GOP primary voters just did that with Castle in a sense, no?
I also believe that it’s important to scrutinize the first sentance of the Franklin quote.
“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such…”
Over the years I’ve read assessments of this as a fig leaf to both sides on the divisive issue of slavery. But what transcends that most divisive of issues is the idea of the need to compromise; both because of the urgency of the moment, and the ideological distance between the involved parties.
Lack of ability to compomise, on the part of many so-cons, led directly to Clinton’s time in office. I wonder if in these difficult economic times, many may percieve the activity of the Tea-Partiers to be the coming of the third party they’ve been dreaming of and waiting for for years. And I fear, just a bit, that in their zeal to finally be rid what is viewed by some as the equally corrupt apparatus of the two parties that they will instead be guaranteeing the continued power of those that would hasten the establishment of that despotic government.
I mean, imagine of they had never been able to come to an agreement in Philadelphia? The despotic governance would have continued, and, most likely, those who had tried to change it would have been eliminated.
The Obami need to go.
Hehs abound.
sdferr,
You have a point in #160, it is a loose analogy at best. I was only trying to illustrate the wages of purity tests and intransigence; what happen when people take their toys and leave the big tent.
In a way, I was trying to get at what Franklin said in the beginning of the passage you quoted.
Bob —
Compromise with the federalists, eg., made sense. Compromising with socialists and people who are acting from a completely anti-Constitutional paradigm is something else entirely.
“…a fig leaf to both sides on the divisive issue of slavery…
I don’t concur with this assessment Bob. I think it has far more to do with Mason’s objections (soon to be repair in Congress itself with the submission by Madison of the first Ten Amendments), which Franklin refers to by speaking of another Convention in the very next two sentences:
philosophically taking over a party ain’t easy. the proggs did it in 80 years.
repaired
i think not 80. between 1909-1929 they put their plan in place. now we must deal with their inherently stupid idea of society.
there needs to be a ” mr. ted kennedy tear down this wall” moment
Bush largely brought that on himself by forgetting that we had “read his lips,” which created the disaffection that opened the door to a third party challenge like Perot’s (who, don’t forget, was only in race out of a personal animus against Bush).
Also, there is to a degree some reciprocity involved here. The “pragmatists” (broadly speaking here) are forever reminding us “purists/idealists” (still speaking broadly) not to split the party. It never seems to occur to them that maybe they shouldn’t alienate the base to begin with. Yeah, you need to bring in centrists and moderates, but you have to do it in such a way that you don’t drive out the conservatives. And frankly, in the case of Delaware, particularly in the response by the Republicans in Good Standing, (Ric’s RATS) it seems to me that the party is in search of a new base, because the one they have embarrasses them.
I think the Republicans in Good Standing are the ones that need to embrace the suck, get on board with the enthusiasm the Tea-Party types are generating and ride the preference cascade that seems to be generating. If all of that comes together, O’Donnell is probably going to win. Right now, the GOP is getting in its own way.
Nishi and Co. really should be polling “Ghey Marriage” in the Northwest States of Mexico, in Guatemala, and El Salvador. Perhaps the Democrats can forego the jackass for the Virgin of Guadalupe? Will there even be a poltical party for the rare spawn of today’s proggy Brookean bobos? – I mean for the frail and endangered Graemes, Geoffreys and Rorys, cherished and sensitive single children stuck between the Scylla of Christer Jesusland and the Charybdis of Catholic Aztlán?
Please clarify, Alec. Thx.
Still sockpuppeting, william? Not content with your current level of humiliation?
see #22 idiot
how’s cedarcupcakecrest doin’
“I think the Republicans in Good Standing are the ones that need to embrace the suck, get on board with the enthusiasm the Tea-Party types are generating and ride the preference cascade that seems to be generating. If all of that comes together, O’Donnell is probably going to win. Right now, the GOP is getting in its own way.”
O’Donnell may yet win, of course, because she may persuade the people in the greater number. So I hope. But as for the men and women who have intentionally attempted to sabotage her chances, they have chosen. It is too late for them to turn back (or embrace the suck) in order to “undo” what they have done.
Nor do I believe they will do on their own account, though I can’t say what moves them with any certainty, since I believe they will surely lose what power they had heretofore; so that a simple grasp at power as motive, stands, to me, as a most unlikely explanation.
Stop. Posting. Here. Yelverton.
Go prepare your lawsuit against me.
By the way, I don’t think you can actually strum it, so it might take more work than you’re accustomed to.
Just fair warning.
JeffG,
In no way am I advocating a compromise with the anti-constitutionalists, transnationalistsm or the socialists. I’m only talking about wiggle room inside the conservative coalition, to account for local voter sentiment; some will be more conservative, socially, like myself, others more libertarian, and others may have more pork laden or profligate tendancies.
We can no longer afford the last category, literally not afford!, but I worry about what seems to be the great RINO hunt, and how it may benefit the Obami.
As you know better than most, they only need a few more years in complete authority to advance their agenda to an almost irrevocable point-until there was a complete meltdown of the system that would be fatal for many-literally.
Maybe I’m just feeling a bit fatalistic about it all.
Bob Reed,
I’m reminded of a quote from a Harry Turtledove character: “What is diplomacy, but the art of making both sides equally dissatisfied?”
Peggy Noonan (!) had the “yardstick” analogy, which I thought was great. Put the ardent Left at 36, the loony Right at the other end; people stake out their positions, using “diplomacy” — contest and compromise — to get the pointer where they want it. Neither side is going to like 18 as the result, but both sides can grudgingly live with it, on the “half a loaf” principle.
If the Left’s opening bid is 27, the Right’s comeback ought to be 9, not 22 and settle for 25. If we keep electing 20-and-up politicians on the ground that that’s the best we can get, there’s simply no point — we aren’t going to get where we want to go regardless of which lizard gets elected.
Third parties are a different story, and the tea parties know that, which is why they’ve started in on the ground game, precinct captains and local committeemen and city offices. The Perot and Buchanan (and Nader) examples are in fact instructive, and the lesson has been learned — the only way to do it is to eat one or the other party out from the inside and take over its machinery. It happens that the Republican Party is most suitable, both because it’s weaker and because there are people within it that aren’t too far from the desired position. If the Democrats looked more vulnerable, that’s where the effort would go.
Regards,
Ric
Those kinds should do us the favor of calling themselves statists.
Then we wouldn’t need to compromise with them.
Truth in advertising. Castle was — at BEST — half a Republican. That ain’t good enough if the other half is actively advocating for Progressive legislation like cap and trade.
Yelverton needs a better lawyer. His lawyer needs a better boyfriend.
sdferr,
Perhaps he was speaking to many different factions within the assembly. I wish I could find the commentary I’m speaking of on-line, but I’m finding it difficult to keep uo with this discussion and wade through Franklin discussions at the same time.
I should have bookmarked such things.
JD: Are you talking to me?
American Power tracked back with, “Christine O’Donnell — ‘I Dabbled in Witchcraft'”.
He’s not talking to you, cynn.
yes federalism works except the swamp in dc doesn’t want that.
Heh, and there isn’t an Odysseus or Jason among them.
I do not talk to you, generally, cynn. About you sometimes, but rarely to you.
Silver lining: Sharron Angle looks pretty frigging normal right now.
There is more than 1 nutjob in Murfreesboro using an anonymizer to troll here?
[I am not William Yelverton, but yet I knew you were talking to me when you told Yelverton to stop posting here again]
[Go. Away. – ed]
Ernst,
I’m inclined to agree with mostly all of #186. I think I said as much at the end of my flashback comment on the ’92 and ’96 election; that the tables were turned on the Rockefeller crowd.
your name irritates my muslimphilia
Ric,
As usual, I can find no fault in your comment #195.
Ric, Peggy’s yardstick looks a lot like the Overton Window. That sucka seems to have got loose.
yo quit insulting the profit(pbuh) or i’ll smash your guitar
Theres your book, Jeff.
Classical Liberalism.
On Sept. 15th, in Convention:
Yes, Ric, but you cite unsuccessful attempts: Perot, Nader, Buchanan. I would add Palin. These were attempts to chew away at the parties’ outer limits. But we are like a school of fish; you cannot predict our movements, and attempts to change it could backfire.
so which pie man inserted that phrase into the vernacular? dumpy moron.
What is this “we” cynn speaks of?
Hush, nishi. Get help.
my book– Islam and the Evolutionary Theory of Games.
alternatively…..How the Discovery of the Kate-on Particle Solved the Riddle of Quantum Consciousness.
:)
Sweet Allah, Jeff! How did you not think of that?
*Pablo is utterly disillusioned.*
I can’t wait to see the Riyadh book signing.
the “educated idiot” crowd are tough to deal with. dailykos is more your intellectually shallow venue.
How about this, RyanPorkBelly. You are, objectively, a fucking prick.
And here’s your sign, nishi:
JD: By “we” I mean those of us who are Independents; I am sure not speaking for everyone, though. I personally could go any direction, depending on my self-interest.
What has Palin ever run for as a third-party or independent candidate?
She ran for nonpartisan offices in the City of Wasilla. Everything else she ran for, she did as a Republican.
JeffG,
Castle didn’t even resemble a Republican. In fact, I don’t know someone with his voting record was ever considered for “promotion” to the Senate or even became a member of the GOP at all. He must be a vestige of the northeast Rockefeller types.
I would agree that there would be little room for compromise with him-especially after the cap-n-trade and “financial reform” connivance votes.
When I beat the dead horse of “compromise” it’s just with a cautionary broad brush. Like I keep saying, the Obami want to do this nation, as we have known it, in-period. I’d rather that not happen in one fell swoop. I know that as a nation we’ve been driting left for 50 years, with the exception of a few years in the 1980’s; and that needs to be rolled back for the most part.
Back. Here’s what I find amusing about most of this debate…It seems to me the expected impact of this whole “witchcraft” nonsense is that the O’Donnel supporters are going to stay home because, “Horrors!”, it so offends there fundamentalist beliefs. Such appears to also be Maher’s thinking. I suppose he’s actually stupid enough to believe this. I suppose many conservatives are myopic enough to only see this. The votes she could lose on the right (what, maybe two from what I gather here) are nothing compared to the votes she loses in the middle ON THIS “IRRELEVANT” ISSUE. But a lot of Indies go with their guts. This, and if Maher can continue to drip this stuff out a la Brietbart, is the real problem. Are there other options on the DE ballot? Is there a write-in option? Is there a Libertarian candidate on the ballot (or a reasonable write-in one)? And again, they could just leave their ballots blank.
Considering we had CNN’s Gary Tuckman waving documents at the camera last night that show O’Donnell violated FEC election law. The interview also shows her former financial advisor verffying the fraudulent charges. Her former campaign manager called her a “complete fraud.”. The witchcraft thing is just silliness, not completely original, I find it far more relevant that she is a proven liar and an intellectual moron who once claimed on O’Reilly’s show that scientists had crossbred mice with human brains and has liken masturbation to adultery. Not to mention she supports the rights of incest rapists to force the victim to carry their child to term. Extreme, dumb, and hypocritical.
“Ululululululu!” doesn’t make for a very long book.
nishi’s book: Orgasm in a Bottle. Or, tequila, preferably golden.
Your self interest likely isn’t communist, cynn. Because nobody’s is — ceptin’ them who get to run the politburo.
I wish meya and that dude from Seattle would show up.
See: Obama, Barack
It is an article of faith on the Left that a more Hispanic United States is a more Left-liberal United States. Progressives are known to tease and tout this as an inevitability. It is, however, a presumption predicated upon the belief that when Hispanics reach their demographic ascendancy and minorities outnumber whites they will quite automatically fill the ranks of the Democratic party whilst taking direction from the self-regarded cultural elites. My belief is that this meme on the Left is a self-deluding chestnut – if a demographic shift does take place it will first be felt in the Democratic party and in becoming a more Brown party you will become a far more Catholic party – as much or moreso than you were in the 1950s. You would be a fool to believe that they will settle for the crumbs from the table while supporting all manner of cultural experimentation and agitation that is part of your cultural project. I offer abortion and “Ghey marriage” as illustrative examples of issues which may be resolved against the current Progg position by virtue of such a demographic shift.
Many on the Left have, at the same time, feigned concern that the GOP has become the party beholden to the “extreme religious right” for its quite conventional and traditional positions on cultural issues. But those people make babies. The Left-Progressive emphasizing navel-gazing, fruitless and indulgent self-discovery in leiu of personal growth through building a family, and ardent careerism cum spinsterism will not yield a strong tradtion of from the crib Left-Progressivism in future generations.
In sum, you’re misreading the import of what you cheer as a coming demographic shift. If such a shift should take place, I question where the advocacy for these culturally insurgent issues from the Left will find a political home?
Well that just tears it.
no a REAL PROBLEM is dc pols putting the usa into bankruptcy
I’m still snickering at AJB calling someone dumb in a comment that begins with an incomplete sentence.
AJB will not let William fucking imbecile racist hilljack Yelverton take the title of Drooling While Standing Up Fucking Moron of the Month.
ekshually, it will be How the Discovery of the Kateon Superparticle Solved the Riddle of Quantum Consciousness…..the Higgs Boson is the last particle of the Standard Model.
and yes serr8d.
absolutely.
tequila and sex.
it doesn’t get any better than that.
drunk and missed the bridge, into the water, drowned the girl, ran away leaving her there, had strings pulled, served another 40 years in the Senate.
priceless
well she is running for joey “plagiarist hey we got a nice articulate negro here” biden’s seat. so there’s that
cynn, your comments are so short and oblique that I find it difficult to get what you’re driving at; I am assuming you do have some aim other than disruption.
Sarah Palin is not and has never been a third party candidate. The parallels between her candidacy and Ms. O’Donnell’s are quite striking — both sought a nomination from the Republican Party, got it, and went on to run in the general election. In both cases the response was eager zeal to discover something discreditable in her background, and in both cases that zeal was displayed not merely by her political opponents, but also by those who were putatively on “her side”. It is this last that we find inexplicable without citing some form of villainy.
There is another parallel: the “discreditable” items in both cases are trivial, to the extent they exist at all; Ms. O’Donnell has not yet encountered flat lies the way Ms. Palin did and does (“I can see Russia from my house!”) but that’s probably coming. We on the Right but outside the orbit of the Beltway Republicans have learned to mostly ignore Teh Press and Teh Narrative in such cases, and cannot understand why the Powers That Be should not only accept but reinforce such damage to someone who is declared as one of their own Party.
Regards,
Ric
probably the weakly std
They could very well do so.
Listen: the voters have a chance to elect a fiscal conservative who has no power to enact her personal religious beliefs into law (and I’m not certain she has said she would, even given the chance to be Queen for a Day). They have a chance to vote for smaller government and fiscal responsibility, or they can vote for a Marxist, or they can find a write in, or they can sit on their hands.
Point is, the choice is clear. And that’s a good thing.
New-ish here…should newsrouter be taken seriously? Rhetorical question…I think…
I got an old TI calculator you can have.
‘Quantum Consciousness’, nishi? Is that your term for ‘soul’?
nishit is on one of her benders again. The idea of it talking about tequila and sex should make small farm animals flee the vicinity.
Funny coming from someone who’s never had either.
Sex involves more than one person, nishit. The tequila just makes you forget, which is prolly +1 for you.
might ask a question first of the person you want to ask the host to ban?
As we’re already all over the place, can anyone recommend a good tequila?
There are no bad tequilas. Only bad drinkers.
Dunno, JD.
I would’ve hit it, contemporaneously speaking.
Plus, anything that isn’t white.
Sake and hentai are more nishi’s speed.
newsrutter, I would never ask anyone to be banned from any site. Been banned myself, in fact quite recently. Got a persecution complex? I will however put you on ignore.
There are no bad tequilas? I was way cheaper than you in college.
Okay, off to hit the treadmill.
— Then I’ll probably relent and run on the fucking thing for a half hour or so.
Bad is relative.
rhetorical question: kinda stupid statement
Alec: So you posit that a Cathlo-centric Hispanic population will naturally hew conservative? Possibly. And they will therefore increase their numbers due to their nativist tendencies? Likely. So this money-in-the-bank demographic exponentially explodes. And I suppose we can count on this fertile people to overtake the dreaded Muslim beat-a-birthrate, and a glorious brown on brown new world comes to pass. And here I thought you were racist.
Can you say……texas schoolboard textbook rewrite? people care about the quality of their childrens education in Delaware.”
reality check: The left tried to rewrite the Social Studies curriculum. They wanted Christmas, Columbus, and the liberty bell out, and more cites
of Cesar Chavez and assoerted leftis kooks in. they wanted ‘free enterprise’ replaced with ‘capitalism’ (the name coined my marx) and a reduction in
that icky American Exceptionalism. THEY FAILED. Conservative majority at the Texas State Board of Education rejected much of the leftist rewrite of history
from the Establishment TEA-appointed ‘experts’ and the left had a cow, in the process rewriting history and claimed the “right” was rewriting history.
Au Contraire! The Texas SBOE kept to a balanced approach.
noogie is gonna invent a particle that succeeds a particle the entire world of physics considers theoretical. Neither have a motivating source, and both exist pretty much because they exist.
Or because of quantum consciousness, but that’s not a classical consciousness unless it’s Allah. We deduce that the subject of intent never occurred to noogie with regard to prime movers or it’d be quantum unconsciousness.
Ergo, Allah is unconscious.
serr8d,
Is that an actual picture of nishi?
If there’s one thing Americans love as much as a winner, it’s a comeback. Let’s see if she can give as good as she gets. As for Maher’s cache of video clips, those are liable to backfire on him, making him look like a gutter fighter, regardless of their content.
I guess I’m close enough to being a so-con, much of the time, to engage Jeff’s question. If she stays on message and doesn’t let Maher drag her out onto a never-ending flea hunt of accusation-answering, I think she’ll keep her followers together, at least til the election.
Blasphemer.
freedom means you can ignore idiots
Bob Reed, she said it was. Of course, I’ve heard lies before.
I live in an all Democratic district and I’m telling you that I have never heard so much contempt for the party. I can’t see how our current Dem will be defeated for congress, but these are strange times.
JD, Slart, geoffb – I rescind my offer of BlackHawk tickets for Colt tickets. Hawk tickets cannot be had for money or sex (well, maybe if I were a good looking blonde). Does Obama have a sporting ticket czar? Why should people that make a lot of money get the best seats? Obama used to watch the Hawks from the cheap seats at Cominsky Park, and now has forgotten us. I demand something higher than justice — FAIRNESS!
Bad try on O’Donnell. dead candidacy my ass.
That’s what nishi wishes she looked like. Self-delusion is so sad to behold…
gerrymander will do that to one’s perspective
wallah i love daijingo sake….Demon Slayer….130 $ a bottle.
Jeff is right…..there are not bad tequilas.
cynn – I only repeat what is often waved in my face as a “demographic inevitability” by, inter alia, Nishi. According to Nishi et al., the numbers will be in place by 2050.* I’m simply interpreting the political outcome of this “inevitability” differently than Nishi and the Left. Quite frankly, as a somewhat serious Catholic myself – one who was educated by a missionary order with deep roots in Latin America – I have mixed feelings about this alleged inevitability. I respect the rule of law, however should such a think actually come to pass I think it would not be a particularly bad thing for American culture and the cultural aspects of our politics to welcome so many new culturally conservative Catholics into the electorate, so many as to be the moving force in the Democratic party. So yeah – racist.
* I object to the notion that all Hispanics identify as “non-white,” and the demographic “tipping point” is predicated on the idea that anyone with a Spanish surname is “non-white.”
the nea needs that money “for the children”
“tequila and sex.
it doesn’t get any better than that.”
Unless the performance comes with a stoning sentance. Of course, that could be thought of the ultimate form of banging your head against the wall.
There is a better way Nishi.
maybe.
:)
hey feets! happy up!
Roony
Then there’s the raw pleasure of mescal, and the near-transcendent rush of the worm. That’s when you’re finally experiencing teh agave correctly.
the “white” guys running latin america are really “brown” people being oppressed by the global un or cupcakes
i’ve only had it one time newrouter.
but i think its worth it.
:)
do you ever defend your stupidity?
Eh?
“New-ish here…should newsrouter be taken seriously? Rhetorical question…I think…”
wtp,
Newrouter is pretty hard-core but he keeps his aim down-range mostly and brings some good points/links to the fight so I’d say yes, YMMV.
Even Cinnamon schnapps, can’t approach the delusion you live under, Quellist Kate, is this what all the hubbub is about, it was a Halloween themed show, she was on with Clive Barker
Edit to add that the Left’s self-delusion about Hispanics is a flavor of the Thomas Frank Kansas theorem in which you think that you can offer economic goodies in exchange for acquiescence to your social and cultural agenda. You pretend not to understand why the guy from Kansas doesn’t vote for Progg candidates when they promise a refundable tax credit after he discovers that one of your activists spirited his 14 year old daughter away to Planned Parenthood six months ago without notification, and he now finds out why his daugter has been withdrawn ever since because she’s a sobbing mess on the bathroom tile.
The only difference will be that when Hispanics run your party, and white Christers run the GOP, the issue won’t be parental notification – but rather whether anyone can have an abortion at all.
OK, how are you all getting pictures into the comments? Hot linking to an online source like with article links?
true if you have a “national” gov’t. not so much with 50 states.
Che’s proper surname was Lynch. As in, the Lynches of County Clare.
Mr. Instapundit says Team Boehnerfag is smacking their lips for some tasty pork.
I see by #228 that AJB has confirmed my prediction, or, rather, reminded me of something I’d dismissed and all but forgotten: Ms. O’Donnell is, in fact, being attacked with lies. If AJB were to somehow become interested in the truth, rather than throwing s*t against the wall to see what sticks, he(?) could have consulted Mickey Kaus. Mr. Kaus, based on his experience as a candidate subject to FEC regulations, has declared the charge of illegal use of campaign funds false upon its face.
The interesting thing about that particular lie is that the liars consider themselves to have Ms. O’Donnell in a cleft stick. Since she has few or no personal resources, she cannot go to court to combat the slander — and if she draws funds from campaign contributions to finance such a challenge, they will have more “illegal use” to beat her with. It’s quite a performance from a Party that claims to want to get the money out of politics, isn’t it? After all, if their view prevails in this case it effectively says that no-one who isn’t personally wealthy can ever run for office.
Regards,
Ric
Bob Reed, best to use you own account, a photobucket or whatever. Photobucket has a ‘thumbnail’ option, if the image is large, that will display a clickable thumbnail.
Hotlinking is considered to be in bad form.
That’s pretty much how it’s done, Bob.
Like this:
< img src=”[some URL for a picture]”/>
please no pork only cupcakes. no islam guys having a bad hair day.
hah thank you plus bonus roller boogie
Is that an actual picture of nishi?
Here’s the straight dope.
i have never linked the image before I will try
This guy hotlinked my photobucket account.
See what I did to him.
Thanks for the tip fellas,
serr8d,
I saw via a link you posted to Jerry’s site at Dan’s place. I was actually trying to test by linking to an image I had uploaded to Enoch’s servers.
But It seemed to get caught in the spam filter. Maybe it was too large.
hah I maded the baby walrus baby!!!
I do not see a future in which Federalism is respected. Quite frankly, at this point it is nothing more than a unilateral contraint that the right places upon itself. What Leftist project is contrained by State sovereignty? Other than the conservative hero type jurists, which Judge or Justice yields a result that he or she finds personally abhorrent but compelled as a matter of the right of a State to make its own laws?
That piece pretty much names Hal Rodgers (R-KY) and Don Young (R-AK) beyond possible leadership squishiness.
try again
Ha, you may force my hand yet Reed.
give her a little debbie and tell her to go away
because we don’t discuss power and who controls or who directs it?
Jeff,
The problem is that for O’Donnell to win, she will need damned near ALL the Tea Party voters, a huge number of remaining “Republicans”, a large swath of Independents who aren’t Tea Partiers, AND a good number of Democrats as well.
Each item that the left comes up with that peels off ANY voters is indeed a problem.
Will this give some religious people some pause in voting for O’Donnell based purely on religious grounds ? Quite possibly.
Will this cause Repubs, Indy’s and Dems who might have voted for her to think twice before pulling the lever ? Sure.
Will this alone do it ? Probably not. But, this was most likely an example of “low hanging fruit” that will come out about O’Donnell and THAT is the problem that many of us have been worried about since before the primary.
They better not get any pork laden ideas. I’m just the guy to call every one of their offices, every day, and tell ’em so also. You see, generally speaking, I got time…
I hate to bother you with facts, but no one here seems to have bothered with the story-killing “fact” that this story is NONSENSE. Watch the TAPE. O’Donnell is talking about her misspent youth,a silly story to prove to Maher that Satanists exist (coincidence that the show was at the end of October? Duh, no.) At the time she makes this “revelation,” she is President and Founder of Savior’s Alliance for Lifting the Truth–a Christian ministry. Part of her credibility lies in her FORMER bad life. “I know what it’s like to live a life without principle,” she says during this period. What’s next? The shocking revelation that Star Parker had multiple abortions and lived on welfare BEFORE SHE GOT SAVED? The only way even the”narrow-minded religious bigots” will abandon her now is if the MSM is allowed to provide the story without context. Don’t let them.
And a perhaps oblique view of Alec Leamas’s comments — there is a very definite “pecking order” in Hispanic countries based on skin tone. From lowest to highest, it is negros, indios, mestizos y mezclasos, oscuras, blancos, rubias; that is, blacks, indians, mixed race (mestizo is part indian, mezclaso is part black), dark or southern Europeans, light or northern Europeans, and blondes on top. There are no Jim Crow laws pinning that in place, but that’s how society works, and woe on him (or her) who tries to get too far out of line. Women may marry up and men down, but blacks of African origin are at the bottom and encouraged to stay there; it’s necessary to specify the origin, because indios of Mayan origin can often be darker-skinned than the folks we call “black”, but they are one step above blacks in the sequence.
The majority of Mexicans and Central Americans are mestizo/mezclado, and that’s what we see coming here, because they are the ones being squeezed out of their own society. In South America the situation is mixed. Argentinos, for instance, are mostly of European ancestry, and blacks in Brazil are less tolerated than in Mexico, except for such things as the spectacular pair of black and blonde curvaceous women that are a staple of Carnival parades.
The hopes of the Democratic Party for an unassailable majority that depends on Hispanics are based on socioeconomic attitudes. Hispanics are overwhelmingly left-oriented, even the ones who are putatively “rightists” like the PAN of Mexico or southern Brazilians, thanks to a century of Liberation Theology based on Bolivaran concepts of governance. That might well be enough, but Democrats are in for a nasty surprise if they think that deference to blacks or countermanding Church teachings will be supported by their new constituency.
Regards,
Ric
Because Federalism requires people to leave a very tempting, warm cookie alone on the counter. I think at some point we’re becoming foolish to fetishize Federalism when it is only honored by our side in the breach. I mourn its passing and object to the all-enveloping commerce clause jurisprunce, however “it is what it is.” I don’t think principled asymetric political warfare is a winning strategem, no.
sdferr,
Well, what else would you expect out of an old goat like me:)
Don Young has been in Congress for 37 years, was with Stevens on the bridge to nowhere and, hmmm, this.
Yeah, we need this guy like we need cancer.
Hmph. Neither of my alma materses seems to have a sports-mascot logo for me to hotlink.
I could swipe Georgia Tech’s yellowjacket to stand in for my Sac State Hornets, I s’pose.
…nah.
Is this less inflammatory sdferr? Or, say, doesn’t get your goat?
:)
Alec,
There is always Teh Fred, He’d create a warm cookie-safe zone just by staring across the breach ;)
well the proggs do. and they are winning. me i like decentralization of power. kinda of works in the non progg world or reality.
This is kind of what I was getting at. I think that the social issues will likely be resolved and what you’ll see will be the politics of the 1950s in terms of dickering over the size of the welfare state and immigration policy. I doubt that we’ll see a triumph of individualism over fidelity to one’s family.
I point you to this. And this.
Voting for a Republican who supports cap and trade is silly. If the people of Delaware want to send a Marxist instead, let them. But they’ll have to deal with the consequences of sending a Marxist to Washington at a time when they know fiscal responsibility and the reining in of government is what is needed. And they’ll have to justify it to themselves based on their fear that O’Donnell is just too darn Christiany to vote for spending cuts.
That’s the choice they should HAVE to make.
The Delaware GOP primary voters feel she better represents their interests. Let the rest of the state’s voters own sending a Marxist to further destroy the prospect of jobs, growth, and economic recovery.
Eventually, they’ll learn.
That’s ’cause they leave out the “principled” part.
Like Christine O’Donnell, I dabbled in the occult in my senior year of high school, and even my first year of college. Like Christine O’Donnell, I became an evangelical Christian in my late twenties. It’s called spreading your wings, experimenting, and then real life begins to slap you across the head and you grow up. Any questions?
bearded marxist vs. witch/masturbating something fiscal conservative.
choices people
Good. the more they think about it, the more likely they’ll vote for her.
Yes they seem to have left out the proportion of African American and Latino support for Prop. 8,
because their cultural attitudes haven’t been pasteurized yet
My post was not clear. We’re being overly principled and they’re engaging in asymetrical offensive operations. We don’t have a credible threat that if the right wins, we’ll take Ghey Marriage away from states that already have it. That’s why we’re engaged in what some here have called a left “ratchet effect.” It’s impossible to be successful in the big picture when successes are largely measured by ground that we haven’t lost yet.
heh, no, not inflammatory for me Bob, I hug the Turtle: let the others fear him.
in honor of #316
Grateful Dead Terrapin Station
I think she’s a Roman Catholic, though her public persona presents itself in a way that would lead one to infer that she is an evangelical.
one would presume, the male too, of the human race at around 100,000 years ago.
Are you talking about Y-Chromosome Adam? He probably lived between 90,000 and 60,000 years ago, about 50,000 to 80,000 years later than Mitochondrial Eve
Maroons!
Yes, that’s a library. What of it?
Like Jeff, I believe that O’Donnell may wind up being a loon and a flake – that is to be seen. That Coons is a loon and a flake is already proven.
all the so-con issues i hear about are state problems that the feds find THEY need to have a say in. the penumbra is pretty stupid if you want this thing to work.
Alec, the Church has enough flexibility in its doctrines to accommodate a wide (though not infinite) range of practices. There are a goodly, and growing, number of Catholics that can’t be told from Evangelicals except between 9 and noon on Sunday morning.
Regards,
Ric
i blame bh
Btw, that’s the library where the intellectuals meet when they plot the overthrow of America, newrouter.
Hey JeffG,
You want a real laugh? Check out Patterico’s post that AllahP put on the front page tonight. He’s castigating David Brooks for basically projecting all of Obama’s faults onto them. Of course, it’s essentially a page of denouncing the same guy he proclaimed to be “a good man” 18 months ago.
http://tiny.cc/agoodman
I wonder if he still thinks Obama is “a good man”. I asked that in the comments, and how he could square his criticism in those days of Rush and you when he was saying the same things.
Frey is a stone thrower.
Dangit, bh, upload it to PhotoBucket and resize it before posting. Please?
Regards,
Ric
Here’s my book. “How Nishi’s Uvula was Blasted Down her Gullet”. Yeah, it’s a working title.
They were state problems. You see with Prop 8 in California that Proggs reserve for themselves any number of bites at the apple and don’t accept an outcome unless and until it is an unmitigated win. We’re fools to not respond in kind and make them think twice about their methods.
My bad, guys. Sorry, it doesn’t look that big on my monitor.
those books will have plenty of time to think about what they’ve done
sorry for my declining ability to express myself. “…projecting onto them…” should be “…projecting onto the tea party…”
I need to find an administrative war specialist…
Bad bh. Your monitor must be the new 105″ one. I’m jealous.
Is that library meant to scare people from reading?
Wait, you mean there’s a coincidental Patterico Hot Air posting at a time when he’s being taken to task elsewhere? And it serves to rehabilitate him?
Shocking.
bh, you can still go back and resize on PhotoBucket. If you save it with the same name (that is, save the resized picture over the old) the next refresh of this page will load the smaller image.
Regards,
Ric
(who hit that once, posting at the Pub)
I found it extremely scary when I was on mushrooms, Abe.
It looks kind of small on my 30in monitor. Doesn’t everyone have one of them?
I think it is as much as lay advocates for these social and moral issues tended to have been evangelicals in the past – oftentimes young people – so a young advocate for chastity or abstinence like O’Donnell would have been presumed to be an evangelical. As far as doctrine and liturgy I see Benedict as one who is tightening a certain looseness that has taken hold in the past which may make distinctions more apparent in the near future.
I see your point JeffG.
But, for those of us that are aware of the “good man” backstory, it is less rehabilitaion and more ridiculous.
Oh, it’s ridiculous alright.
But it’s nice to have friends in high places, I guess.
for a cupcake person
Grateful Dead : Uncle John’s Band @ Radio City 10-31-80
I tried following your directions, Ric, but it still looks to be the same size to me.
Alec,
OT-You’re correct. Benedict is getting rid of the Kumbaya circles and guitar strumming folk mass stuff; the ’60s improvisations. Goin’ back to the old school stuff.
He’s also going to tolerate less “freestylin'” from the schismatic US cafeteria Catholics. There will be absolutely no compromise on the ordination of women, no tolerance of birth control, nor abortion; regardless of social pressure or declining attendance…
In fact, some of the Dominican convents will be under investigation over the next 3 years owing to the ascendancy of many of the schismatics into the upper levels of it’s leadership.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE DOMINICAN INQUISITION!
Yeah JeffG,
But as I recall, at that time, Cap’n Ed and AllahP were also in the “good man” go along, get along, crowd.
Anyway, Karl is pretty tight with AllahP, and may be able to influence the situation.
As a TEA-partier, this is a non-issue. This is just like the prog/statists to distract from any issues.
Alinsky teaches to attack the messenger. Just another indication of how much they desire to engage on issues.
Maher shows up in the dictionary next to “useful idiot”.
Totally tired of seeing horse-race pollaganda, where’s the beef?
Show us what Coons stands for, is he another Biden?
Jeff, could you do me a favor and just delete #331 for me? Thanks.
bh,
Save a copy for yourself somewhere. Load the image into “paint”. Under “Image”, select “stretch/skew”. Put some number between 0 and 100 in the “horizontal” and “vertical” fields (put the same number in each to retain the original aspect ration). Then save the image, and upload to photobucket over the original.
I guarantee that will change it.
I just deleted it from photobucket all together but it’s still here.
They’re all lawyers, Bob.
Make of that what you will.
it’s cache thing
Abe,
I think bh is still reeling from discovering he was just a stones throw from being assimilated into the Berlin club;).
I hate this cache you speak of.
< img src=”[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_1dN9wvd0tNM/R6KYYLdMa6I/AAAAAAAAAVc/BsXH44hwqrg/zztop3.gif]“/>
Good night.
Darnit.
Preach it brother Krauthammer people need to know and understand for so the Tea Party doesn’t get Sarah Palin all up in it like a bad staph infection
yeah I’m on my way out so these have to count
All lawyers eh…
happyfeet,
Clubbing in L.A. ?
yes doc. sour kraut is a spokesperson for the tea people. chuck don’t miss the gig in georgetown tomorrow
Good on Krauthammer. The Tea Party has just been waiting on someone to step up and let us know who can, and can’t be Tea party.
Leadership at last!
i likes the karl the rover infection. deep and stupid.
Colby King is a vicious moron and a liar of the first rank.
Well she certainly is, although she doesn’t see her self as the leader, just for certain principles and ideas.
Nah, Danger, I would have assimilated the Berlin Club. They’d have been listening to Fugazi and talking about football when I left.
Krauthammer has fallen sharply in my book; like one of thor’s favored stocks. He’s assumed junk status for the nonce.
Jeff,
I should have quoted the part of your piece that I was taking issue with. (How do you quote here anyways >?
Here is the part my response was meant to address:
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Heh. I guess I pissed on Ace’s leg.
bh would have had them all dancing to the Pet Shop Boys by the end of the night.
@114 bh, well stated.
Yeah, that video clip where Miss O’Donnell talks about witchcraft has killed her. I mean, that $1 million donation mark she was aiming for? Obviously, this Maher video is killing her, because she only raised $1,800.
What? What’s that you say? She raised over $1.8 million?
Nevermind, carryon.
@380 that didn’t work for me
Not carrion then Blake? Quite, not.
Try this, nr.
Sort of makes me his editor, no? Basing his posting decisions on my mark?
Ace? Lawyer.
Make of it what you will.
Should I be concerned that bh sent me this link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZcqBgCS74
Just think about that.
Don’t fuck with me, I’ll take out our candidate. He’s just covering himself in glory.
You love that song and you know it, JD.
????????????
I only read two of her comments before dropping the hammer and deciding to say that, I’m sure she wouldn’t have given me any reason to change my mind.
This is my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZcqBgCS74
What prompted my original less-than-vehement snark was this, from a couple days ago. He’s been snarly and looking for a fight, obviously.
The more I think about it, the more I find that tweet from Ace repulsive.
Thats once, twice, care to try for three times a lady JD ;)
sdferr, you say “tomato” I say “tomahto.”
Be kind, some of us, you know, like commas a lot, and I mean, a lot.
What’s Ace so upset about?
Are all of these bloggers lawyers? Aren’t any of them actual writers like JeffG?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
Try to beat that one, Danger. Can’t do it.
This one is hard to get out of your head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVNm40UgFI&feature=related
“let’s choose up sides.”
Lawyers Unite!
It’s odd, when someone pisses me off, I don’t then threaten to harm a third party or the larger group.
Yeah, this is awesome. Pragmatists. Fucking snakes.
How would Ace be so dialed into the pipeline of dirt on O’Donnell? And why would he even jest about destroying her candidacy?
I thought we were all pulling for the same result.
bh – That would be like me telling you to be nice, or happyfeet gets it.
Oh, 401 was for 393.
Okay, I didn’t see that before I commented. I get it.
is it the crappy 80’s tune lightning round?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cerBJo-HA
Try that on for size.
Exactly. Or be nice or everyone gets it.
Slimy.
But, hey, remember that the Delaware race is very, very important and can’t be lost. Or, you know, I’ll just unload on her because someone else pissed me off.
Honor!
Bob – The 80’s are a veritable endless supply of teh funny.
You know, the tweet that serr8d posted is very disturbing to me. I had higher regard for Ace before I read it. Why would he make such a threat?
Why wouldn’t he be pullin’ for the team? People of honor don’t act in such ways…
Maybe he was funnin’ ?
This O’Donnell episode had revealed many on our side to have feet of clay.
It is disturbing, Bob.
serr8d, if you’re still around, you definitely need to post screenshots of those tweets.
Dishonorable stuff like that needs to see the light of day. As an attorney, I wouldn’t think Ace would be so sloppy as to put something like that in writing…
My dander is gettin’ up…
I think he was, or is, drunk. I just linked to this post. Maybe he’ll show up and ‘splain his bad self.
@385 let’s not talk about the bearded marxists ? you go ace girl. nice panties homo?
Delaware Republicans are not stupid rubes. Yeah, Chrstine O’Donnell may not be some intellectual giant. But given that Dems elected (and they cheated to do so) that doofus Al Franken, I fucking welcome Chrstine O’Donnell winning. She was stupid in the sense that she went on Bill Maher’s show too many times. BFD. But they get that she is not Mike Castle either. And that is why they voted for her.
I hope he was kidding JD.
If not, it would be a very revolting development; especially after the way he was so vocal in his support for Castle during the primaries, coupled with the recent revelations of blogger “payola”.
Who else was in on the payola, Bob?
Maybe so serr8d.
I have to say, as one who visits his site many times a day, I liked his posts and respected his opinions as considered and thoughtful; but I’m taken aback by, and don’t know what to make of, that tweet.
The last thing we need is to break up into warring factions, like a clan fued. That will guarantee the Obami dodge the bullet they’re due this fall…
“…let’s choose up sides…”
Kinda late to the party isn’t he?
I feel a bit compelled to say I doubt there is any payola involved with this.
No, this is pure spite.
Ace goes through periods of being a little bitch, though I’ve never noticed whether or not it’s around the same time every month.
It was a story I saw last over labor day weekend when I was going through Cap’n Ed’s archives for August.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/23/blogger-payola/
He is discussing a Daily Caller piece. And Ace’s name was definitely not mentioned, I’d like to make that crystal clear.
[delivered while making peace signs and in my best Dick Nixon impersonation]
Bob – The 80’s are a veritable endless supply of teh funny.
JD,
The 80s were fun musically and politically.
J.Geils band, Huey Lewis, Def Leppord, ZZ Top (yeah I know about their older stuff too) Peter Gabriel (Rocket baby) MTV played music videos (I KNOW!!! said with Craig Fergusan emphasis;)
AND
Ronnie Reagan was running the show. Good times man!!
Goodnight, racists.
‘Nite, JD.
Good times Bro,
And with that, I’m out. Mass at 0800.
My best to all
The other charge against O’Donnell making the rounds is a “citizen watchgroup” accusing her of misspending campaign funds.
Oddly enough, little mention is made of said group being funded by George Soros.
Nite, JD,
Nite, Bob,
Nite Emma,
Nite John-Boy….
Good times
Is O’Donnell a millionaire? Because if not, that’s another thing she doesn’t have in common with every other member of the US Senate.
Hiya, PJ. Long time no see.
She’s locked up the Twighlight and Harry Potter vote.
Hermione was a witch too.
Ok,
I can take a hint, time for bed
Gnight nobody
I don’t get your point here, unless what you’re saying is that the so called independent voters are predominately idiots who don’t really care about “the issues” like they claim. If that’t the case, why’n the hell are we wasting our time trying to appeal to them as moderates and independents when we should be increasing the appeal of conservatism/classical liberalism?
It seems to me that if the “issue” is irrelevant, people will recognize it as such so long as she avoids the trap of endlessly explaining it away.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/gdead/dead-lyrics/Truckin%27.txt
– Didn’t have time to peruse all 430+ comments, so if this is a repeat of someone else, indulge me, I’m elderly, if not infirm. I reserve the right to be infirm later.
– To the point. Sometimes it seems like you’re entering area where time has no meaning, a proposition for your discerning reading where up is down, black is white, and all Giraffs are really 700 pound Gorilla’s grazing in the back of the room when you try to make sense of some of the total nonsense pap you see on the innertubes.
– All I see with this sort of mental garbage is reactions to that core of the GOP which has sucessfully morphed into some sort of permanent RINO status. They not only do not really understand just what the non-party tea party movement is all about, they don’t even see what they are all about anymore.
– The more they react the more they show just why they all, to a man/woman, need to be replaced. They also are laying out a set of guidelines which should make it even easier on election day to spot the Gotsbee’s among the candidates. At this rate it may not even be necessary to study the election pamphlets that closely after all.
– Fucking snob-assed numbskulls. Maybe they should be labeled “NeoLibCons”. It seems like all of them have fallen into some sort of lockstep plank that has a single goal. Don’t do anything that anyone could call “progressive”. That’s it. Their political philosophy in one sentence. Their mascot has Dumbo’s ears, but brays like a jackass.
– One closing thought. Just maybe we’ve finally reached a point in out political history where putting an (I) next to your name may be the most powerful statement a candidate could make.
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– I’m following the comments on an article on the Maher personal attacks here.
– Comments are running 80-90% against his “poliltic’s of personal destruction” ploy to jack up his failed ratings.
– Typical response: “…If she can turn Obama into a toad , She’s got my vote. In fact if she will send me a voodoo doll of Pelosi and a handfull of pins I’ll contribute to her election fund.”
– The Left just doesn’t “get it”. The whole point of the tea party backlash against the lefturds is just how fed up the majority of voters are with the Progressive demolition derby approach to politics. The more of it they do, the more backlash grows.
– Personally I hope the Left keeps piling it on. Faster please. Idiots.
Just maybe we’ve finally reached a point in out political history where putting an (I) next to your name may be the most powerful statement a candidate could make.
BBH, I think that would just lead to more confusion in an already confused environment. when what’s needed is more clarity.
– That’s most assuredly true Ernst, but it well could be such a thing will yet be an out growth of this overall political turn-around in the end.
Meanwhile, the fact that Karl Marx was a ex-Christian, that turned a Satanist Poet, then a “social scientist”, is to be IGNORED by the “all-knowing” intelligentsia…
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/marx.htm
Ace should go ahead and print his whatever instead of trying to use it for blackmail plus that way everyone could decide for themselves
– In the mean time, lets just hope that all of us broom owners turn out on election day and sweep the Demorats the hell out of Congress.
– The tea partiers could use that as a symbol, brooms, that the Left in its infinite attack mindset has provided them. Botox Nan, the evil witch of the north against the “good witch” of the east, and all her broom owners across the nation. “The silent broom majority” so to speak.
– I like it.
– Just as an aside, O’Donnells war chest has grown by 2 million just since Maher started his attacks. Hopefully the brain dead Elites will continue to believe in their own infallibility.
[…] Jeff Goldstein has a few things to say on Patrick Frey’s blather regarding Christine O’Donnell’s fling with witchcraft. I have to agree with Jeff, it is so last millennium. Patrick, she won the primary, get over it. […]
Does Obama insult the CBC when he speaks to the CBC and they all sound like they’re holding a bottle of Boone’s Farm? He did the “put the car in D” bit again. So the CBC hasn’t heard that one yet?
Most brilliant candidate ever!
Witchcraft is a lot less of a threat than islam. Just sayin’.
Vetting? Vetting?
Vetting is a selection process using certain criteria to select for certain characteristics, against other characteristics, and ignoring others.
Take a random group of politicians with the big [D] after their name. What selection criteria were applied for them to be vetted? What is their common denominator other than that [D]? What do they do these [D]s? What is their nature?
The same for the [R] ones or “Team R” as ‘feets would have it. And don’t stop there. What is the selection criteria the vetting of the media, reporters, editors, story lines, narratives? How about the vetting at schools, colleges? What are the selection criteria for teachers, professors, curricula?
The 2008 election, the stimulus bill, the health-care bill, the town-hall meetings, the AGW e-mails, the JournoList, and now the primaries have been exposing the actual selection criteria used by all those above. Actual not the ones claimed, those are bullshit. Lies to tell the peons to keep them happy and in their place.
Vetting is what the tea parties are about. Fiscal, social, national security conservatism are the ends. Changing the vetting is the means. That is the avalanche that has already started.
Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
Re: They are all lawyers…
I do remember in law school, one of my professors warning that once you go through this, you will never think things through the same way again. I can see how that education (really, all law school teaches is a way to look at things and think them through – it certainly isn’t technical or such) “captures” many – I think I resisted only because my identity had set more as “soldier” for many years before. Did that make me the less as a lawyer, but less jacked up in my ability to think as the rest of toiling humanity? Beats me – I never had trouble connecting with juries, but never ended up making millions of $ either…
Frey’s Hot Air post is fascinating with its litany of sins committed by Barack Obama, and especially with its inclusion of his having “gone after Rush Limbaugh.”
How much of that stuff was on the record when Frey declared Obama a “good man”? How much of it did Rush Limbaugh know when Frey went after him (noting, of course, that said act is akin to a minnow going after an orca.)?
Anyone who, like Frey, fell for the media’s teleprompter jesus shtick during the election has been banned in perpetuity from ever imagining themselves to be intellegent observers of the human condition.
You’d think, Mr W.
But this is rehabilitation time for the chosen clique. They’ll just pretend they were correct all along and go on linking each other to prove it. That way they get to stay in control of the right-side narrative.
serr8d, as I just sent Ace, the only necessary response to blackmail is “Publish and be Damned, Sir!”
All pre-presidency. And yet — a good man. Who we shouldn’t hope fails.
When you can pretend you haven’t said what you’ve said — and when you can both effectively blackball those who will remind you that you’ve said it, and rely on your buddies to give you cover and feed you links so as to rehabilitate you — it’s all gravy.
But then, who said life is fair, right?
I look at it this way: I’ll take Levin. You all can have Allah, Ace, and Patrick. And I’ll even throw in a 5th round draft pick.
Bah. It’s a fairly simple matter of the mechanics of a two-party political system with first-past-the-post voting, which is what we have.
When selecting a candidate, “no holds barred” is appropriate regardless of the selection method. Selection criteria can be whatever the Party thinks appropriate.
Once the candidate is chosen, other members of the Party should either actively support the Party’s candidate or keep their mouths shut. Finding things wrong with the candidate is the job of the opposition Party, and they can be expected to do it well; they should be left alone to get on with it, and most certainly not actively assisted.
People of the candidate’s Party who neither support nor stifle are clearly working on an agenda other than the good of the Party. This might be simple stupidity (they don’t realize what they’re doing), personal hostility, “submarine” support for the other Party, or (as it seems in this case) having allegiance to some philosophy or agenda that cuts across Party lines. Whatever the motivations, it is incumbent (!) upon the other members of the Party to find out what that motivation is and bring the Party-damaging activity to a halt.
Simple mechanics. Democrats figured that out long ago. Why can’t Republicans?
Regards,
Ric
Any friend (or former friend) of Aleister Crowley is a friend of mine.
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2010/09/christine-odonnell-was-witch.html
She will take DE in Nov.
I think the motivations are clear.
Some conservatives are truly conservative. Others simply hold conservative positions — yet lay claim to conservative turf with an eye to ruling it.
“But this is rehabilitation time for the chosen clique. They’ll just pretend they were correct all along and go on linking each other to prove it. That way they get to stay in control of the right-side narrative.”
In 2010, the fossils on the left or the right, be they cultural or political, are today’s equivalent of the Japanese soldiers who hid in the jungle waiting for Hirohito’s triumphant return.
The world has passed them by, but since they only talk others like themselves, they are the last to know it. They still imagine that The New York Times sets the agenda. I’m not kidding!
On November 3rd though, they will emerge from their hiding places, blinking in the bright sunshine, and wander through an America that they have lived in for years, but do not recognize.
We will then see them for what they have become; a quaint and formerly formidible throwback to an earlier time.
Well, so do I — but my set of proposed motivations differs from yours, at least in some detail. That’s what the current brouhaha is all about.
Regards,
Ric
I thought Witchcraft was a kind of Religion, one which O’Donnell rejected at the very least. Meanwhile back in the real world, Proggs such as Obama and Maher actively support/are-dhimmi-to Radical Islamists and generally use tactics taken from an adherent to Satan, also in service of reinstituting a provenly Evil Religion = Communism. [once again, blah blan blah…No Contest!]
So O’Donnell’s past “dabbling” can probably be, shall we say, rather usefully “compared and contrasted” by the astute R. pol – good people, all! [Oops..]
Patterico, you probably think this song is about you… and in this case yes, yes it is, but you are still vain.
A Class War or War?:
There has always been a correspondence between witchcraft and science; they both concern themselves with the control of nature. Leibniz and Newton were both intensely interested in alchemy.
The contemporary craze for science fiction and fantasy seems to be just the latest incarnation of this longing to experience magic, and quantum consciousness is a version of new-age spiritualism masquerading as science.
Nicely put, TCW
TaiChiWawa, I beg to differ somewhat. Oh, I don’t think you’re substantively wrong — the elements you describe are definitely characteristic of most science fiction nowadays — but the emphasis is off.
The SF I am seeing is adventure stories in which things work and the characters are able to accomplish things. In that way it reminds me of “Golden Age” material from the Thirties; the things the characters use are enormously more sophisticated and complex than the early writers presented, and writing technique is much more developed, but the underlying current is very similar: people can experience frustration, angst, and things that don’t work (whether machinery or social structures) by simply walking out the door at any time day or night, and they would prefer that their fiction provide an alternative, not reinforcement.
Regards,
Ric
Well, since Patterico apparently still mortally fears de’ good ol’ Scarlet Letters – and perhaps he should, given the kind of things he routinely says out loud – he must be trying to say that O’Donnell really is a freaking Witch!
Sorry, Pat, diversion not accomplished. And “fearbased”, that’s what this particular forray against O’Donnell is and nothing more – hey, it worked on O’bama in the case of Shirley Sherrod!
[Backstage Patterico is found muttering, “out out damned spots”.]
Bravo!
Sorry I’m late to the party — but this stuff with O’Donnell is getting more ridiculous by the hour.
I wasn’t even moved to write about Randi Rhodes screaming about checking O’D’s hymen (with a popping balloon sound effect) because this crap is getting borrrinng.
For crissakes, O’D’s “extremist religious views” make her unworthy of holding office even if they were 16 years ago?
But a Democrat can KILL a person and still be called the “Lion of the Senate”????
quantum consciousness is a version of new-age spiritualism masquerading as science.
It’s like ID without the pesky limitations of a benevolent god.
Oh, and I apologize if someone mentioned this upthread because I have read it all…
with the US Military making space for Wiccans to worship, like WTF is the controversy over O’D “dabbling” in witchcraft??
#468 – Notice upon whom the burden of ‘brushing off’ falls in the mind of Patrick Frey; it is the pundits, not the actual voters who decide. In Frey’s mind voters are mere sheep, beholden to the chattering class for guidance.
Thus all is revealed.
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BTW … Bill Maher decided to say “nigger” on Larry King. King doesn’t flinch and Maher still has his job.
So much for the credibility of the OUTRAGED Left over such an “unacceptable in any circumstance” word.
Jeff,
I will always come back here for your ability to see and explain things succinctly. This is the first time I think you’re completly off the mark. I didn’t see any of the things implied in Patterico’s post. I just didn’t.
You need to read the comments, as well. Take it all in as a whole. Frey does some of his best work there — and one of the things I linked in my post was the comment about the campaign being dead, and Levin and Riehl being forced to have to “spin” this away to appease the Tea Partiers.
To me, that’s instructive.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Did you watch the video Will? Can you summarize what O’Donnell said? Why do you think it relevent?
– Darleen. This media blitz isn’t directed at the moderates/conservatives/tea partiers. They don’t watch Maher by intention by the millions., and never will.
– This is red meat for the Progg’turds to try to overcome the apathy and drum up some action. Apathy caused by a Bunbblefuck president they dare not talk about. What we’re going to see through and long after the Nov election is a studious attempt to be totally silent on Bambi and all the fuckup’s and mess he’s caused.
– No surprise really. Guys like Patterico are trying to walk all that RINO pandering back, now that they see the handwriting. Good luck with that. The tea party candidates, and all the Congressional elects with the tea party stamp will just do even better as a result of the attacks,
[…] “witchcraft” video because we think it will end her political career. For example, Jeff G. writes at Protein Wisdom: Wow. No, really, […]
“I frankly think she made a smart decision by not getting on the Sunday shows this week,” Rove said.
Because when she opens her mouth, her brains fall out… a la Palin.
– See the ping backs you’re getting Jeff.
– The Left is totally tone deaf. Good.
Sheesh, lie pimpers like the Maha are even checking in on this one, right along with the ordinary douchebags like AJB. Guess it must count in the bigger picture one way or another.
Sorry about that dirty laundry aired last night. Seems I was blindsided by Ace, who was simply taking up for his friend Patrick Frey, using as excuse to post a flurry of vitriol an off-the-cuff chiding tweet I put out yesterday morning. Ace went virulent, I was blindsided, until I realized the truth of the matter was just the closing of the elite ranks.
I’ve taken steps to stop that crap in it’s tracks.
Aw, Maha thinks she’s relevant. Isn’t that cute?
I’m pretty sure that none of us among the PW commentariat will forget the whole “good man” episode; regardless of how the ranks are closed or who tries to talk tough/walk back their previous position.
Why would Ace be protecting patterico? I can understand the HotAir guys, kinda.
It would be really funny if Bill Maher started growing a tail.
Because when she opens her mouth, her brains fall out… a la Palin.
After Joe Biden, Delaware ought to be relieved to have a senator that has brains to fall out. Maybe you’re not smart enough to pick up on this, but your party is swimming in dimwitted elected officials.
As the exchange Frey had with Pablo should have shown everyone, there’s a little back channel club o’ lawyers on the right side of the blogosphere, some of who have picked up enough influence that they’re getting some of that crazy party money, I’d be willing to bet.
And they are fixin’ on protecting their places, with little regard to who they have to fuck with — or banish — along the way.
This is red meat for the Progg’turds to try to overcome the apathy and drum up some action.
Speak of it and it shall appear, BBH: AJB.
Right, AJB, but still “So funny I forgot to laugh.” – some infantilese, just for precious-“Low T”-widdle-you…
O’Donnell WILL lose but that is besides the point. She makes the GOP look bad. Rove’s point is that supporters need to consider the reputation of the party [R] she represents. This witchcraft thing is small potatoes. Campaign finance issues (which are very significant) aside, anyone supporting a person who believes evolution is fake, and that there are mice with human brains is not terribly bright. She can be described as not only scientifically illiterate, but anti-science: “Psychics exploit the human beings natural desire that longs for something higher, the same way a pimp exploits the natural desire to be with the opposite sex…psychics put people in spiritual harm, the same way pimps put people in physical harm.” {Bill Maher 10/01 – posted on YouTube, 10/14/07]
On social issues, I think that her radical stands on masturbation = adultery, women should be forced to bear incest rapists babies, that co-ed dorms will lead to “orgy rooms”, giving out free condoms is like “legalizing drunk driving,” …. and many other quotes from Christine O’Donnell do not represent mainstream conservatives, and are frankly, embarrassing, or should be.
Here are some gems:
“condoms will not protect you from sexually transmitted diseases. There’s a 20 percent failure rate that it will protect from pregnancy.” [Hannity & Colmes, 12/17/99]
“condoms will not protect you from AIDS. So to just throw a bunch of condoms over to Africa and say, here, we’re helping you with AIDS, is just going to further the spread of AIDS over there.” [Donahue, 8/27/02]
Asked by MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, “You’re going to stop the whole country from having sex?” O’Donnell replied, “Yes.” [Scarborough Country, 11/13/03]
O’Donnell wrote in an article published in Cultural Dissident, “When a married person uses pornography, or is unfaithful, it compromises not just his (or her) purity, but also compromises the spouse’s purity.” [TPM, 9/7/10]
“By integrating women into particularly military institutes, it cripples the readiness of our defense,” O’Donnell has said. She also argued that West Point “has had to lower their standards … in order for men and women to compete” [Politico, 9/16/10]
AJB is just pissed that nishit and yelverton are challenging him for Abject Imbecile of the Day.
In in the Rethug! Payola? That would be terrible.
Because, after decrying the MFM being the propaganda arm of the Dems for all these years, I’d be a hypocrite not to be pissed about any new media on the right that were doing the same thing…
Ad moneys one thing, but straight up cash funneling? I don’t think so…
But AJB a dutiful and faithful footsoldier. I wonder what site it copied and pasted that from.
Was not Dan Riehl up to his neck in that whole payola thingie?
O’Donnell is running against a Marxist, which means that most everything he’s ever said is stupid.
And you care why?
AJB’s concern for Team R is touching, isn’t it?
He cares because copying and pasting lies is so much more edgy.
Support O’Donnell at your party’s peril. It will work against you, the same way Palin worked against McCain.
No, JD. His name came up, but no.
Politically incorrect to say, but true nevertheless. And you know what? People realize that. And they are tired of the government or Amanda Marcotte’s talking coos telling us otherwise.
And of course, what she feels about sex and marriage, etc., has absolutely no bearing on whether she’ll vote to cut the size of government. Again, do you have proof she’ll legislate her beliefs?
Oh, and try this on:
Wow. A former witch who isn’t down with the war on drugs. And yet, she’s only really favored by “rightwing religious wacko extremists” or some such.
BURN HER!
Palin didn’t work against McCain. She just helped the left and the media focus their slime and animus. You do realize that the left is in the process of crashing and burning right now, do you not AJB?
Newsflash, genius: O’Donnell is the nominee. The voters have spoken.
O’Donnell or Coons. Those are the options. Keep your advice. Concern trolling is pathetic.
“. You do realize that the left is in the process of crashing and burning right now. . . ”
Oh hells no Abe, and I say let’s leave him to his delusions the longer. Heck, he may never figure it out.
– He cares because him and his gaggle of Marxist/Socialist douchebag’s realize every victory by a Moderate/Conservative is a loud and clear repudiation of his fundamentally flawed ideology.
– The Left is being “out-Alimskied”, having all the MFM trashing and lies thrown back at them, and they’re at a loss. They can’t talk about a single thing that Bumbblefick hasn’t messed up on, so they’re doing the only thing they can. Attack, deflect, and just generally hope they can inject enough confusion and chaos to avert the coming tsunami.
– Basically they’re fucked, and they know it.
AJB is amusing.
The quotes he pulls out are thought provoking and worthy of discussion.
Yet, AJB just dismisses the quotes out of hand.
Interestingly, though, AJB does get something right, although I’m sure it’s quite unintentional.
Yes, Miss. O’Donnell makes the GOP look bad, but only from the perspective that the GOP has become comfortable with the idea they can anoint the “one who is electable” and expect the electorate to go along.
Man, it’s almost as if AJB’s “concerns” are a valid contra-indicator or something.
[O’Donnell] makes the GOP look bad. Rove’s point is that supporters need to consider the reputation of the party [R] she represents.
Thanks for the advice. How considerate of you to take the time, especially when we all know how busy you guys are “draining the swamp.” How’s that going by the way?
– Oh they drained the swamp alright. The on;y thing they found was the mummified remains of Rangle, Waters, Botox Nan, and Harry “I have a pet coon” Reid. That’s how its working out for them.
– Hellofajob Barry!
“O’Donnell WILL lose but that is besides the point. She makes the GOP look bad.”
Oh noes! AJB is concerned about the GOPs image!
*snort*
I think rather than betting on whether or not someone is taking Team R payola, or insinuating that they are, you should ask them. So far, thanks for that link Pablo, it appears that Dan Riehl was willing to explore the idea of facilitating communications with Team R, but ultimately he didn’t go past the exploratory stage. If memory serves, didn’t he say something like I could never be bought for a couple hundred bucks? If anyone wonders whether Allah, or Ace, or Patterico is taking Team R payola, ask them.
[…] yet we’re being told that her candidacy is dead (even though we’d vote for her, sophisticates that we are) because […]
Finding the likes of AJB, Dave Weigel, and George Soros on your side might cause a somewhat rational person to question their goal, if not their motives…
– So lets see. The Lefturd Progs are now acting as a support group for the RINO wing of the GOP. Too funny.
And how many diapers did you wet through during that last
Progg lamentsimian alert, AJB, or do yourFor the last time: If I want the salt but accidentally say, “Pass the pepper,” in that particular utterance, “pepper” means “salt.”
Is that so hard to understand?
Hey, AJB, why do you care who Conservatives vote for? Since when did the left really care about image?
You leftists consistently voted for Barney “I didn’t know about the brothel in my house” Frank, Robert “KKK” Byrd and Ted “The drunken swimmer” Kennedy.
I guess leftists really do think they’re superior. I don’t recall the right hectoring the left about who they should vote for. Yet, the left obviously feels they need to look after Conservatives and tell Conservatives how to vote.
It might be worth making a distinction between perks, side gigs, ads or free conferences/meals (what I think Jeff meant by party money) and payola. I’ve little doubt that the former happens (hey, I haven’t paid for every meal I’ve eaten but I’ve never been bought) but I’d be pretty cautious about floating the latter without evidence.
What I find troubling has less to do with money and more to do with a network that decides on orthodoxy and which voices will express it.
Time for football. Later, guys.
oops, try again:
And how many diapers did you wet through during that last
Progg lamentsimian alert, AJB, or do yourCommie Masterssuperior strains supply you with NASA’s?Check out update 6 of my post. Frey is at it. Again.
I wasn’t talking about payola. I was talking about perks and insidery-ness.
HUGH HEWITT IS NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
– Hey. If I’m a wiccan elder, and a Shaman to boot, does that give me some sort of inside track. If so, where do I pick up my check.
– Inquiring broom owners want to know!
…this still tests that principle.
Plain English is apparently beyond his grasp.
INTENTIONALISM!!!
“Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy?”
– He seems to be seriously upset that people actually read and understood what he wrote. But not to worry, I’n sure he’ll explain with crystal clarity that what he wrote wasn’t what he really meant.
Okay, good, that’s what I thought you meant.
Football!
He’s so full of himself he’s become a self-parody?
His update makes clear that that what he wrote was clearly not what he wrote, and that what he didn’t write should be perfectly clear from the post.
Other than Riehl, who has taken that crazy party money?
– Sure. Ok. Would this be the appropriate time to cue up the “Kill Bill” music?
he’ll explain with crystal clarity that what he wrote wasn’t what he really meant.
All the King’s horses and all the King’s men aren’t even going to bother with Patrick Frey.
Well, I once got a trip to Santa Barbara. But that wasn’t from the party.
Still, I’m sure there are some insidery things going on. Don’t know with whom, or how it’s done. But I’ve long had my suspicions.
I didn’t agree with Patterico about Castle, but after reading all of this again, I do not see what our host sees in Patterico’s words.
– This whole thing has an eerie sort of motif much like the McPherson banjo playing days of the kilt wearing lawyer sockpuppet – except at least he doesn’t hide his identity.
“If I’m going to be insulted by people actually responding to what I write without bothering to discern the nuamce of what I didn’t write, but should be obvious to any fair minded person then – GOOD DAY TO YOU Sir!”
Bolding and capitalization is all I can offer you, JD.
He tries his best to hide it. But it’s there if you know how to look.
I mean, he’s worried people will laugh at her (his words), and he thinks that then reflects on him unless he distances himself from her and the types that support her.
It is what it is.
Codewords? ;-)
No. Pretty obvious attitude, if you ask me. Goes back to the “good man” shit and the Limbaugh “concerns” and the Stacy McCain might be a racist (we can’t say one way or the other, so, like, READER POLL!)
Really, JD. I know you like the guy, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to pick up on the pattern.
I just wouldn’t never align myself with Murkowski Crist McCain slut John Cornhole’s NRSC.
I didn’t agree with Patterico about Castle, but after reading all of this again, I do not see what our host sees in Patterico’s words.
He’s saying that the video is a test of whether Tea partiers will still support her. Which, he subsequently denies and argues he’s really talking about whether moderates will support her. He’s confusing the issue of intentionalism with his problem, which is that he wrote with perfect clarity and if it didn’t convey what he wanted to it is because of bad writing.
Me liking him has not one thing to do with this. I did not get the same reading from his posts that you did. That is all. Specifically, I really did not get the worry that people will laugh at her, and that will reflect on him, and needs to distance himself from her and those that support her. What I took from it was that he thought this Maher clip would have no effect on her supporters, that the Tea Party support would be unwavering, but it may have an impact on current undecided voters or independents. Tomato, tomahto.
– The Left laughs (nervously) at anyone they consider a genuine threat. So what. As a writer you’re naive to a fault if you think that simple fact is not so, or if you believe you can change any Lefturd minds. They live and die by the narrative, so its just not in play. Period.
– Intellectual dishonesty at best if you practice that sort of self censorship.
– You say what you honestly believe and let the chips fall.
From his update (quoted above): “I think voters in the middle will think it is plain weird, and laugh at her. And not want to vote for her.”
But not him. Nobody can ever claim that HE isn’t the staunchest of the staunch — even as he helpfully publicizes every attack on her, and suggests that she’s unelectable (though naturally, being a team player who cites Bill Maher, he’d still vote for her).
Frey:
Tomato, tomato.
Christine’s chances are a lot America’s chances I think.
Frey says we should be careful to say things in a way such that they can’t be misinterpreted.
I think Frey likes to say things in a way such that if he gets called on it, he can pretend he really meant something else.
Frey is a gutless coward that builds plausible denyability into every principal he may (or may not) profess to hold.
….In other news…
– Murkowski has announced she will run as a write-in candidate against Miller. Insiders say the body GOP is not to thrilled with her.
– In practical terms, Alaska write-in’s are next to useless, the process being what it is. She’s apparently long on courage and short on good political advice, and in any case it won’t make any difference.
JD, if Frey thought the clip would have no effect on TEA partiers, then why did he state ‘THIS STILL TESTS THAT PRINCIPLE’?
If, as he later stated their support would be ‘to the nth degree’ then how could it possibly be a test of TEA partiers?
Only later did he attempt to say he was speaking of her losing the support of ‘moderates’ (whoever the hell he thinks those people are that he has left conveniently undefined.)
I do not see how the fact that some people will laugh at her, which they will, translates into that reflecting on him, and those that support her. I laughed. It was funny. Witches bother me far less than bearded marxists. I guess asking him what he meant is out of the question.
BTW, maha started deleting my comments in less than 45 minutes, and now has me banned.
This pace brooks no dissent. Echo chamber!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)
It is a longstanding concern of his. That’s what “good man” and “I hope he fails” and “is this racist? Because I don’t want that taint on me” was all about. He’s sanctimonious.
If you can’t see it, okay. But as for asking him what he meant? You’re kidding, right? And risk getting back a list of hypotheticals?
When people write “this still tests that principle,” I don’t feel the need to ask what they meant by “this”. I just assume they know how to use an indirect pronoun as a referent.
Why are you over there. Maha is intolerant of intolerance. Including yours.
But never her own, strangely.
No JD, he has been asked, and he answered. Only, as Jeff’s updates show, he has changed his meaning.
In the original post he is clearly saying this tidbit will impact TEA partiers, in his second he is shifting his concern to ‘moderates,’ something that was conspicuously absent the first time around.
Cat, walking back.
Hairy Reid’s pet Coons is something that should be thwarted. I think we can all agree on that.
They teach that at Law School, don’t they?
We surely can, JD.
So why not go after him rather than embed Maher and declare Coon’s competitor’s candidacy dead?
Jeff – She tracked back to this thread, so I ventured over to see what she had to say. What was really funny was that they thought bearded marxist was a phrase created by FauxNews, plus, one of her regulars had one of those too-perfect-to-parody rants about Bush. Priceless.
#554, then the question becomes: Are Frey’s actions consistent with that goal?
If not, then all are not in agreement.
“I think we can all agree on that.”
Evidently not JD, at least so far as I can see. Otherwise, I can’t account for the continuing din from Dr K or Rove, Powerline or Patterico, Allah or Ace even. These people all have enough smarts to see that their efforts do nothing but harm. Yet they still choose them.
One would think so, bearded Marxist that he is, but it seems some of the “Establishment GOP” believe Delaware is the hill to slay the TEA Party dragon…
If enough pressure is put on O’Donnell, do they think she’ll quit the race and Castle will step in to save the day?
That’s one line of thought I’ve heard floated, Spiny.
As I’ve said, it’s not O’Donnell I’m willing to fight for here, necessarily. It’s the idea of O’Donnell. That’s what we’re warring over here, it seems to me.
If these people really think they are going to assert any form of dominance over the TEA party types via Delaware then they are more clueless than I would have though possible.
What the f is the deal with the Vikings?
sdferr – I was not referring to those not here. I was referring to the collective “we” of those that frequent here.
Thought, that is.
Granted you were JD, and I knew that and went ahead and riffed away anyhow. Apologies for the untoward inferences.
We can all agree on this: happily, none of us is William Yelverton.
THANK THE FUCKING LORD FOR THAT.
By the way, he has now taken to posting as anonymous at his own blog, as though he is not he. It is odd.
Anonymous said…
Thanks Serrd8, we see that Protein Wisdom is using Enom.com for domain name redirection to versaweb.com. We will continue to investigate and report this illegal activity to the appropriate host and authorities.
September 19, 2010 6:44 AM
THANK THE FUCKING LORD FOR THAT.
Yup.
Can we agree that those who habitually write either “true conservative” or True Conservative are on the other side?
Somebody want to parse #570 into meatspeak.
“We will continue to investigate and report…”
Translates roughly into, “We will annoy who we will annoy. Just you try and stop us.”
– Or Chevy Chase, because you know, that would just be wrong on so many levels.
Delusions of righteousness abound.
How Glenn Greenwald of him. He can’t can’t scare up any supporters, so he invents them?
And what the heck is Pittsburgh doing leading the T’tans 13 – 3 at this late hour?
ThomasD – It is odd on many levels, no? It is William the racist hilljack Yelverton pretending to not be William the plagiarizing psychotic lying sockpuppeterr Yelverton, and at the same time, speaking of an undefined “we” while discussing a nonexistent felony.
Did anyone send this to Instapundit?
Ever notice how some “contestants” on The People’s Court or Judge Judy would try to sound lawyerly, but obviously didn’t have the slightest idea of what they were saying?
That host would be Pixy Misa, no? Good luck with that, willie.
– Hey. If I’m a wiccan elder, and a Shaman to boot, does that give me some sort of inside track. If so, where do I pick up my check.
– Inquiring broom owners want to know!
Likewise, I’m sure: but for the life of my cave-dwelling shadow-watching redneck ass, I can’t see why any Progg concerned with them “higher truths audaciously distorted from reality” would ever diss-a-Witch! ‘Might-could be “nuanced”?
In fact, Post Normal and now R. Moderate Truff finally be told around these here parts, I just bought me an elkskin raw hide drum from the AA’s = Authentic-Americans themselves
Injuns!whilst out to the Pendleton Roundup – to heighten my own damn spirituality!But now I’m/we’re supposed to go right back to what…firewater?
A generous reading is that Patterico thinks that Maher thinks this is a test of whether or not the Tea-Party voters can be split off from hard core conservative revanchist nutters like Levin and Riehl; not that Patterico thinks Maher is right, of course, just speculatin’ on a hypothesis, as it were, an hypothesis about which it remains to be seen who’s right, Patterico or Maher Patterico, then, just to cover his bases, says that he thinks she’s dead regardless of whether or not Patterico or Maher is right about the effect of Maher’s video.
This is how you eat your cake and have it to!
Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised, but when trying to parse it that possibility didn’t even occur to me.
Some people are freaks, sure. But then there are the ones that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
He’s not only sockpuppeting himself, he’s doing it via proxy.
All work and no play makes Willie a weird boy.
That’s some creative, creative writing Ernst. All predicated on the notion that Frey believes Maher is not only aware of the likes of Levin and Riehl, but also concerned with their thoughts.
Disturbing on numerous levels.
Enom is a domain registrar that also offers hosting services but when I was using them I already had a host so I only used them for registration (now I use GoDaddy). Versaweb I have no idea off the top, but if it’s Jeff’s domain host I assume the “illegal activity” to which Yelf Radio refers is DNS service.
Which, that’s how the internet works. If it’s illegal, Yelf Lord should take it up with the guy who invented the internet.
Of course, since you give what you get, Patrick Frey doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt with me.
I’m not sure how “Testing the Tea-Partiers” costs you the support of “True Conservatives.” What the hell does this even mean? True conservatives won’t vote for her because she made out with a Wiccan/Satanist? If so, how does that test the tea-party? Aren’t the True Conservatives in fact the ones being tested?
So it seems to me then that True Conservatives is a synonym for Tea-Party, which is more or less confirmed to my satisfaction when Frey calls out Levin and Riehl, who are on the hunt for Rinos like an eighty year-old Chinese businessman with a brand new twenty year old girlfriend.
Which I guess means Jeff had it right afterall.
why in the world do I need to update my post to reference something that is posted in a post I’ve already linked to?
He’s just wrapping it around the axles, Jeff, as he typically does. If he can’t win the argument on the merits (and he almost never can), then he’ll get us all going ’round and ’round with who said what when and what it meant at the time, and the various linkages and counter-links and whatnot tend to serve his purpose rather than putting the conflict to rest or adding any clarity.
Not even God can keep track of the reference enmeshment that he’s gleefully weaving. I’ve seen lawyers with personality disorders do it on the Internet before, to the destruction of the entire online community.
Thomas, I didn’t get to complete my thought because I kept getting interrupted by the Vikings almost getting it together
…and then failing.
One more week like this and Favre is going to wish he stayed retired.
Me, I just want to see Childress get the blood eagle.
OT: But my picks this week couldn’t have been more off. So far, I screwed up on Minnesota, Dallas, Carolina, Cleveland, Baltimore…
Florida trounced BYU yesterday, which is my sole contribution to football talk.
Which, I don’t come here to read about football picks, I come here to argue about salt and pepper, so I’m going to excommunicate all y’all from Jeff’s blog for engaging in conversation that doesn’t include ME.
Tennessee with 7 fucking turnovers? Chicago kicking around Dallas @ the cowgirls own house? Cincinnati beating Baltimore? What a fucked up afternoon.
Frey told me everything I need to know about himself during the discussion of juries.
He’s the sort of prosecutor that says “to Hell with justice and the law, we gotta convict this nago to keep our phony-baloney jobs.”
When they make me Emperor, he’ll be doing boilerplate wills and messy divorces from a second-floor walkup, and have a Court order forbidding him to come within ten feet of Government property without a valid writ in hand.
Regards,
Ric
I’d have thought the problem to be “All play and no work makes Willie a weird boy.”
nishi is shifting personas at a frightening rate.
The onion has no center.
Cowboy’s fans don’t commit hari-kiri, though they surely may want to, oh no, they fire the field goal kicker and trade away Roy Williams to Minn for a forth round pick.
Oh, and since when is Tennessee BYU? heh
“despite her brush with the Great Horned Beast”
O’Donnell knew Allahpundit?
Until she wins, then all that cake goes away.
“Until she wins, then all that cake goes away.”
What? Vomit or shit?
They won’t let her win. So they can prove how she couldn’t win.
“They won’t let her win. ”
Wow, that’s cynical!
And I can’t dispute the premise, damn you…
I think “they” are not who “they” think “they” are.
Nishi is not the only one running an anime loop for reality.
OT: But my picks this week couldn’t have been more off. So far, I screwed up on Minnesota, Dallas, Carolina, Cleveland, Baltimore…
Damn, my first thought was to go directly opposite to your picks. Actually it was my only thought, since I don’t know squat about the teams, which is also why I thought it might seem too dismissive of your vast kowledge of Football to do it. So I blew a great opportunity and it’s all your fault.
Dicentra, please do not confuse the University of Florida with that girl’s school up the road in Tallahassee.
>>”When I first heard about this I thought it was a practical joke. I read a PowerLine post saying Maher said he had video, and I thought: oh, he just wants to test the Tea Partiers to see how outrageous a thing she could say, and still get support from the True Conservatives.”
I always wonder about these people who toss around this term (which they clearly see as denigrating) “the True Conservatives”. The people who say it are pretty evidently not themselves conservatives, “true” or otherwise.
I look forward to viewing the endless stories, in the MSM, about how O’Donnell will destroy the Republican Party.
Remember the good old days when the New York Times endorsed McCain? – Good times, good times. —
I got the Bears and Vikings right today. I do need a big Colt victory tonight. I hope their defense shows up.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy?
Everyone, I have it all figured out. It’s simple really,
You see, in our politics, things get confused., Power, ideals, the old morality, and pragmatic political necessity. But out on the web, it must be a temptation to be a prophet. Because there’s a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and the irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature.
And Jeff here, Jeff’s out on the rightwingblogoshpere operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable right-thinking conduct. And he is still on the web, collecting supporters.
And the Powers That Be, they’ve read Jeff blogging about Armadillos, rolling along the edge of a straight razor; how that’s his dream, his nightmare; curling up and rolling along the edge of a straight razor… and surviving. And they decided that something had to be done.
And then there was DDA Patrick Frey, Code-Name Patterico. And he was in Los Angeles, shit; still only in Los Angeles. And everytime he wakes up he thinks he’s going to wake up in the corridors of power. Sometimes, when he’s at the D.A.s office, all he can think about is getting back onto the blogoshpere. So here’s there, in his office, waiting for a mission. Every minute he sits at that desk, he gets weaker, and every minute the Left is on the blogoshpere, it gets stronger. Each time he looks around his office, the walls move in a little tighter. Well, everyone gets what they want. Patterico wanted a mission, and for his sins, they gave him one. Brought it up to him like room service; a real choice mission, and when its over, He’ll never want another.
Ernst, that is an awesome adaptation…
What are they gonna say about him? What are they gonna say? That he was a kind man? That he was a wise man? That he had plans, man? That he had wisdom? Bullshit, man!
Wow bh,
When I read your comment, I was seein’ Dennis Hopper man!
Maybe the Asado de Puerco I made was a little too spicy after all…
The horror! The horror!
Hey, man, you don’t talk to the Outlaw. You listen to him. The man’s enlarged my mind. He’s a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he’ll… uh… well, you’ll say “hello” to him, right? And he’ll just walk right by you. He won’t even notice you. And suddenly he’ll grab you, and he’ll throw you in a corner, and he’ll say, “Do you know that ‘if’ is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you”… I mean I’m… no, I can’t… I’m a little man, I’m a little man, he’s… he’s a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas…
Thanks Bob. By the way, this also happens to explain why the Left and the Very Important Pragmatic Republicans have miscalculated on the O’Donnell/witch thing. You, this limited, Constitutional Government conservatism/Classical Liberal Stuff:
IT’S FUCKING PAGAN IDOLATRY!
Everyone here knows how intentionalism struck Jeff like a diamond bullet.
The pragmatists on the rightwingblogosphere will support a tax-n-spender like Castle. But they won’t let Jeff write the word “Fuck” because it’s OBSCENE!
They are all grocery clerks and errand boys, it’s pragmatic.
And Ernst, thank you, that was an excellent idea and read.
#593 – Ric, I was always reminded that I had a lot of power behind my actions (when I was an ASA) so I had best DAMN well be sure it was being employed the right way. Our office caught flack once inn a while for dropping cases that we knew we couldn’t win – but wouldn’t go forward on to just look tough or score points with voters or the press. I still had plenty of opportunity to work going after the guilty, to worry about chasing glory, fame or headlines. I’ll never forget the first violent felony I dismissed right away – it was a very clear case of self-defense (the police admitted they just arrested both parties to a knife fight and left it to the SAO to sort out)… the woman almost fell over in court – she had been given her life back (so she said). I probably could have rung her up at trial, and counted it as a “conviction, oooh look at me”. And I would have be Hellfire worthy, to have done that…
You’re welcome geoff. The only problem with the analogy, is that it ends badly for Jeff, and Frey too, I suppose.
#620 LTC John — the solution I’ve seen suggested is to have both sides prepare the case as best they can, then flip a coin as to which will be prosecutor and which defense — without swapping notes. The longer I live, the more certain I become that the adversarial system in all its many incarnations is seriously broken.
Legal defense has apparently taken up the notion that their objective is to get the client off, regardless of the facts of the matter. It’s natural, then, for prosecutors to adopt a metric for success that demands convicting as many as possible. Both are wrong, and the “justice” system they support is nothing of the kind.
One of my favorite science fiction books is called Deadly Silents, by Lee Killough. A group of human police officers leave Earth to go teach police procedure to a civilization of telepaths. They discover that if the judge can literally read their minds, they can’t even select evidence, much less suppress it — and the only way to get a conviction is to try to prove the accused innocent, and exhaust all the possibilities. It takes them a bit of effort to adjust.
Regards,
Ric
Dicentra, please do not confuse the University of Florida with that girl’s school up the road in Tallahassee.
Look, it’s not my fault that people stupidly named their schools “University of X” and “X State,” and then decided that the former may properly be called “X” whereas the latter has to be called “X State.”
It’s like those moronic, named subdivisions wherein all of the streets have the same name, distinguished only by “street,” “lane,” “circle,” and “way.” Who furthermore muddy the waters by using über-bland names like Wood Crest and Cedar Shadows, none of which stand out from the others in any way whatsoever.
I need to be given charge of these things, see. That way, it would all make sense.
Ernst:
Now that I’ve confessed to being indifferent to the U of X/X State dichotomy, I might as well confess that I have no idea what you’re adapting in your 609.
Or anyone else’s thereafter, for that matter.
This.
Yes, because this kind of thing is rare.
Except in Alabama. And Arkansas. And Kansas. And Indiana. And Illinois. And Michigan. And Oklahoma. And Texas. And California. And Washington. And Oregon. And New Mexico. And Iowa.
Ok, I’m starting to bore even me. Those are just the ones I bothered checking; I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a lot more.
Moral of the story: if you don’t know the difference between UF and FSU, you simply haven’t been paying attention. Don’t blame that on someone else.
I prefer to think of it as a clown college. I mean, how many places can you major in circus?
For what it’s worth, there’s a little college in Philadelphia that’s affectionately known as “Not Penn State.” No idea if it’s a good school.
Minnesota, too.
What I meant was, there is a University of Minnesota and a Minnesota State University.
Dangit.
Tarheels and Wolfpack.
Bulldogs and Panthers.
Volunteers and Tigers.
Buckeyes and Bobcats.
University of Miami and Miami University. Neither is a state, but it is rather confusing. Cause I like to simply say I went to Miami. In Ohio this is not a problem. Everywhere else ?
Of course, Miami resorts to being “Miami of Ohio.”
Miami was a university before Florida was a state.
there is a University of Minnesota and a Minnesota State University.
There is? Which one plays as Minnesota State? Mankato? Bemidji? St. Cloud? Winona? Southwest?
What I’m saying is there’s a state university system without a main campus and a University of Minnesota w/ a main campus, and satellite campuses (campi?) at Morris and Duluth (& Waseca at one point).
/Minnesota chauvinist pedantry
University of Michigan started as University of Michigania before there was a State of Michigan and became University of Michigan when the State was made.
Michigan State University started as Agricultural College of the State of Michigan then became State Agricultural College then Michigan Agricultural College {MAC} later became Michigan State College {MSC} and then in 1955 became MSU.
The one where Craig T. Nelson was the head football coach.
But I learned the distinction between X and X State when I was deciding what coillege I could afford to attend because it was close enough to drive to from home. UC Davis was farther away and more expensive, so CSU Sacramento won and I ended up with a B.A. in Useless Knowledge.
Wow, Ernst, didn’t mean to rattle your cage, buddy. BTW, Here’s the football team that says they play as “Minnesota State.” You can take it up with them.
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Jeff,
Name one candidate for statewide office in US History that got elected after mentioning on national TV that they had a picnic on a satanic altar or flirted with witchcraft?
I mean all Pat did was point out the bloody obvious, your many loathing words to the contrary
Sure she is better than Coons, but her chances of election are slight – Frey knows this, I know this, just about anyone with any commonsense knows this
Now we see competative races in New York, California and Washington for control of the senate
since we are limited in cash should we send money to them – or to someone who is trailing double digits in the polls?
She will need more cash than the other races combined to shore up he self inflicted wounds and to close at least into single digits – who knows maybe even carry a county this time?
Or should we flood money into races wit legitimate candidates who may pull off upsets?
Mr. EricPWJohnstone,
“We” elected a pezzydent who is friendzies with domestic terrorists. He spent 20 years in the church of a leftist ghetto nutbag to boot. The media deemed him worthy. And not very bright people called him a “good man.” But then this presidential miscreant snapped on the rubber glove, stuck his hand in America’s ass and the resultant shrieks produced Christine O’Donnell. The lesson here? People don’t care what the media says. They don’t care what deputy dog DA’s with mediocre minds and delusions of grandeur think either. This is not a wave which crests in November, though if some simpering idiots who think this is merely about short term winning drown in that time frame, well, goody!
what does the decision of Obama’s election have to do with ODonnell trailing double digits in the polls? After running statewide twice in two years? With the Tea Party seal of approval? With tons of money?
ODonnell if she really cared would suspend her campaign and donate the money to the NY candidates who are closing in on the Senate and the Gov’s mansion
the point is all Christians are sinners saved by grace, people don’t seem to get that point, it’s obvious to Christians that Christine and all of us did stupid things before we found our way to God. So not seeing why this is relevant to Christine’s candidacy that she dabbled in stuff in high school?
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