without the counsel of Trent? In my piece about Christmas in Darfur at Big Hollywood, I mention the revelation that the famous Lancet “study” attributing 650k Iraqi deaths to the Eeeevil Chimperor has been debunked because the author could not supply a legitimate explanation of his methodology, and for my troubles, I am given this:
Trent – February 9th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Don’t you find it ironic that you question the numbers of deaths due to Bush’s invasion of Iraq, but a certain Bishop is not “allowed†to question the numbers of another historical event?
Are you anti-Iraqi?
Are you a conspiracy theorist?
You see, I’m a conspiracy theorist for having the temerity to state the study is as bogus as the MMR vaccine-to-autism link they published.
All I can say is that had this been available, RAWMUSCLSGLUTES might not be writing nonsense like this.
Related: Goracle wins poetry slam at Grammy Awards
Dyspeptic Mutterings dissects a very strange specimen.
Another unbiased headline: Italian Senate tries to halt mercy killing
Comment by Techie on 2/9 @ 9:48 am #
Some people are just stuck on stupid, I guess.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 9:49 am #
It seems like there’s a new comfort level out there with anti-semitism since Baracky got elected.
Comment by BumperStickerist on 2/9 @ 9:49 am #
If the Bishop is proceeding from a position of absolute ignorance, and seeking to gain knowledge – then sure, question away about the Holocaust.
If, however, the Bishop is actively seeking to debunk The Holocaust – from the cans of Zyklon B being present because there were really bad pest-control problems in the work camps, that the showers were really smokers used for slow-cooking brisket, and the ovens were for those internees that preferred flame-seared cuts, and the train schedules were simply tourists. And a lot of inmates died because of the flue and/or ennui – as Jews are wont to do.
Then fuck ‘im.
The Lancet study was idiotic on its face – given that it was an order of magnitude off. Had the Iraq study come back with 150-225,000 casualities, it would have been false information, but believably false. The researcher made a rookie-mistake. He went full-retard.
Comment by BumperStickerist on 2/9 @ 9:51 am #
flue = intentional.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 9:54 am #
It may not have been the researcher’s fault. He was just producing the report Mr. Soros commissioned. Not delivering the number probably would have jeopardized The Lancet’s share of the Soros money as well, so the poor little researcher guy was under a tremendous amount of pressure I think.
Comment by Joe on 2/9 @ 9:57 am #
Andrew Sullivan’s Trig Trutherism is despicable, but do not blame it on AIDS dimentia. That is not what is going on here. That is also too easy for him to deflect as homophobia and let’s him off for his blatant hyporcrisy. Sullivan is just no longer conservative, really on anything. Rather than just say it, he lies and claims he is the one true conservative. He rallies against Republicans excesses (real and imagined) and then he goes one step beyond them in his unfounded attacks on others. He knows what he is doing.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 9:59 am #
It’s kind of like when Alan Alda became the spokesperson for the PBS/SciAm nexus. The magazine had been getting poppier and crappier for years, but that’s when I nuked my subscription.
Comment by Techie on 2/9 @ 10:00 am #
Can I say that I thought Alda did decently on all those SciAmerican Frontiers TV shows?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 10:01 am #
I haven’t clicked over there to see it, but I think it was Patterico noticed that he’d retracted his origins-of-Bristol’s-name allegations after being notified that there was a fuller explanation than the thumbnail sketch of the article he relied on.
And no, I don’t think he knows what he’s doing.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 10:03 am #
Sure, you can say that, but remember that SciAm was in the forefront of decrying Bushitler’s war on legitimate science, but to my knowledge has never published anything about the AGW data manipulation or the Lancet “studies.”
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 10:08 am #
Yep…So now Lancet is two for two, on a couple of the largest sources of Outrage! of the last 8 years…
And the difference between the Lancet and the Bishop is thus:
The Bishop’s views were personally held, based obviously on slim scholarship indeed; the Lancet’s published two studies in their supposedly premiere medical and science journal…
Oh, and the Pope instructed the Bishop to apologize, i haven’t heard of the Lancet apologizing for the furor that ensued over both of these “landmark studies”…
Sound to me like trent may be one of Obama’s fellow traveling anti-semites. He just doesn’t do as good a job obscuring it as our new Chimperor does…
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 10:12 am #
No wonder, Dan…
Then SciAm would be working against their own economic interest…
Do you think we could say of them that they are bitterly clinging to their preconcieved ideas, antipathy towards anyone who doesn’t think like them, Newton’s Principia, Their AGW religion, as well as their test-tubes..?
TRUTH-ISTS!
Comment by Techie on 2/9 @ 10:13 am #
The Lancet is rapidly losing credibility as a peer-reviewed journal.
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 10:20 am #
That the APA now recognizes choice as a possibility for sexual orientation may make Sullivan cranky and disoriented.
Research is cracking apart the politically-imposed “science” of the seventies and eighties. It may make one insecure.
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 10:24 am #
…but a certain Bishop is not “allowed†to question the numbers of another historical event?
Que?
Who is “a certain Bishop?”
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 10:27 am #
“Scientific American” = two lies, one title.
Comment by Techie on 2/9 @ 10:29 am #
This one, alphie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxx1nYqzevI
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 10:34 am #
I remember when I was in high school and tried to read SciAm. What drove me away was their histrionics over The Bell Curve. It wasn’t even coherent criticism, it was invective. And it wasn’t just one article, this was every issue, for at least four months.
The editorial staff pretty much goes by the party line straight out of the NY Times. I’ve heard the editor in chief John Rennie on the Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe podcasts, and if its just science, he’s a sharp guy. But if anything even vaguely political factors in, its all about the Rethuglican War on Science.
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 10:35 am #
OK, this is OT, but imagine what the press, SNL, and the Daily show would be doing with this if it had been Booooooooooosh!
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090209/480/f19c16d7ff4443acb94e3c4c452de228/
Imagine…
Comment by Roland THTG on 2/9 @ 10:36 am #
SciAm went big on AGW from tits to toes.
That’s about the time I quit on them.
It was about the same time that Nova went all ‘Schoolhouse Rock’ as well.
The dumbing down continues apace.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 10:53 am #
Hey Collins;
A couple of Papist Fatwas do not a record of decency make…….
You’ve, no doubt, heard that corporations make public statements of policy which run counter to ACTUAL policy, haven’t you?
The history of the Catholic Church is bathed in innocent blood. Don’ blame them though. They are just trying to survive their own Karma by being morally and politically expedient. Oh, sorry. You didn’t want to discuss that on this thread.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 10:54 am #
I’m having a hard time getting my outrage in gear this morning. Do you think it’s just plumb worn out?
Concern Fatigue or something.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 10:56 am #
See, even Cleo’s asinine comment. I’ve got nothing.
Perhaps today is just one of those days I watch Youtube videos and head the gym early?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 10:56 am #
Sure is, ‘cleo. Why don’t you tell us more about that?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 10:57 am #
You’re excused, Carin. Gotta live.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 10:59 am #
Plus, Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus!
Comment by Benedick on 2/9 @ 11:03 am #
Semanticleo, were Catholicism Islam, methinks you’d be excusing the bathing-in-innocent blood thing. You know, root causes and all that.
Incidental curiousity: What’s the etymology of your handle? Are you a person named Leo who claims a particularly noteworthy facility for language? Because, if so, you might want to take a refresher on usage of “which” versus “that”. Just sayin’.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:04 am #
I thought I would start with the subject at hand, then we can discuss crimes from previous centuries.
“Many people, including some Jewish leaders, have praised Pope John Paul II and “We Remember†for facing up to ‘errors’ made during the Holocaust.
But if the Church never aided, and indeed opposed, the Nazis, and never accepted even non-racial, religion-based hatred of Jews, then to what errors would the Vatican need to face up?
Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, answered this question when he was a top advisor to John Paul II:
“‘Even if the most recent, loathsome experience of the Shoah (Holocaust) was perpetrated in the name of an anti-Christian ideology, which tried to strike the Christian faith at its Abrahamic roots in the people of Israel, it cannot be denied that a certain insufficient resistance to this atrocity on the part of Christians can be explained by an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians.’â€Â
[My emphasis – J.I.]
– Joseph Ratzinger as quoted by Abe Foxman in an Anti-Defamation League (ADL) press release welcoming Ratzinger’s election as Pope.
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/VaticanJewish_96/44698_96.htm
Also quoted on boston.com http://tinyurl.com/hfpob
So Joseph Ratzinger claims that: a) Nazism was “anti-Christianâ€Â; b) Christianity erred only by “a certain insufficient resistance†(notice the modifier, “a certain,†which limits the insufficiency – i.e., it wasn’t so very insufficient!) to Nazism, not by complicity or active support; c) even this error resulted from individual Christian’s religious hostility to Judaism – “an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians†– which rather avoids the question: from whom did they inherit it, if not the church?
The evidence shows that:
A) The Catholic church hierarchy, acting under Vatican orders, played the decisive role in making Hitler the dictator of Germany.
B) Subsequently, the Catholic hierarchy was active in Nazi movements outside Germany, for example in the Balkans, where the church was the institutional base of the Nazi puppet State of Croatia.
C) Although at Yad Vashem, in the year 2000, Pope John Paul II described the Nazis as having “a Godless ideology,†in 1933, when it mattered, the Vatican ordered German Catholics to love, honor, obey and protect the Nazis.
During the 1920s, the church-controlled Centre party (Zentrum) did clash with the Nazis. As Hitler wrote (see quote below) their quarrel was over politics, not Catholic religious teachings. The Nazis themselves claimed they were fighting against atheism, specifically Bolshevist atheism, which they depicted as a Jewish-created movement. In attacking the Jews, the Nazis routinely employed Christian symbolism and traditional Christian antisemitic arguments, with which Europeans were already indoctrinated, making it an easy sale.
On March 23, 1933, the Nazi government put forward the Enabling act, giving Hitler the authority to create new laws without parliamentary approval, thus making him the dictator of Germany. This was after the Nazi-staged Reichstag fire; after the banning of the huge Communist party and subsequent arrest and murder of thousands of communists and other anti-Nazis; and amidst a campaign of violent antisemitism. To become law, the Enabling act needed a 2/3 parliamentary vote. Before the vote, Hitler addressed the Reichstag (parliament) saying the Nazis were fighting for Christianity:
“While the Government is determined to carry through the political and moral purging of our public life, it is creating and insuring prerequisites for a truly religious life. The Government sees in both [Catholic and Protestant] Christian confessions the most important factors for the maintenance of our folkdom. It will respect agreements concluded between them and the States. However, it expects that its work will meet with a similar appreciation. The Government will treat all other denominations with equal objective justice. It can never condone, though, that belonging to a certain denomination or to a certain race might be regarded as a license to commit or tolerate crimes. The Government will devote its care to the sincere living together of Church and State.â€Â
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 11:07 am #
I know that you’re a big supporter of Jews, ‘cleo, but how will you feel if I give you the Catholic League rebuttal? I’m sure you read all the ADA material closely.
Comment by mcgruder on 2/9 @ 11:14 am #
i could care less about Sully’s BDS-its his politics and he’s entitled to it.
But he has, unlike any other so-called mainstream writer ive encountered, taken it to a place that is morally abherrant with this Trig Palin stuff.
If he were the editor of TNR and someone brought this to him back in 96 or some such, he’d have told them to go to hell. This is, in the ordinary course of events, something that would get him scorned. It now gets him traffic.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 11:15 am #
American Dental Association?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 11:16 am #
Oops. ADL. It’s kinda like pulling teeth, though.
Comment by Techie on 2/9 @ 11:16 am #
“Look, I hate to see a grown man cry, so…….. shove off out of the office”.
Wow, who knew that since most Germans were Lutherans, that a controlling ideologue bent on world domination might, you know, tailor their message to people who’d never heard of the Thule Society.
Comment by cranky-d on 2/9 @ 11:19 am #
Carin, my rage-o-meter is apparently burnt out. I can barely get worked up over the spendulous package they are going to ram down our throats. So yeah, watch some you-tube and hit the gym.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:20 am #
“I’m sure you read all the ADA material closely.”
Yeah, VERY CAREFULLY, as a lawyer might.
BTW; Many Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Ba’Hai et al, died in confinement or were murdered BECAUSE they kept their Christian values and did not deny their faith or principles…
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 11:21 am #
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 10:53 am #
Do you speak English?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 11:23 am #
“Incidental curiousity: What’s the etymology of your handle? Are you a person named Leo who claims a particularly noteworthy facility for language?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!111!!!!!elventy!!!
Must stop.
Can’t brathe.
BBBBWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 11:30 am #
Cleo’s cut and paste-foo is strong today.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:34 am #
“What’s the etymology of your handle?”
Springs from Pope Leo X. As for the ’semantics’, well, they speak for themselves, don’t they? It’s kinda like HST’s definition of politics as ‘the manipulation of one’s environment’.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:41 am #
That rebuttal must be a mouthful………
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 11:42 am #
Instances of the liberating effects of elimination of references necessitated by the patriarchy in the past are abundantly smelly today.
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 11:43 am #
Carin! I’m hoping everythign is cool…
Comment by Assistant Village Idiot on 2/9 @ 11:45 am #
Semanticleo: A) is opinion, and I know of no historians who would say it played “the decisive” role. B) Includes weasel words – I’m sorry, “flexible phrases” – such as “the Catholic hierarchy” and “was active,” which cover such a range of territory that they have little meaning, C) Misstatement of the general Catholic idea of obedience to secular authority. You are padding the resume here. Individual Catholics did terrible things, including priests and bishops; the church as an institution can be fairly accused of cowardice and go-alongism. To paint the RC church as Hitler’s great ally and supporter is ludicrous.
And frankly, I have said my piece and am done. I have discovered by painful repetition that folks with your tone and approach are unable to discuss, only argue.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 11:49 am #
You know, Geezer, the doctor never called. I’m just going to assume that means everything is A-OK. Why go looking for trouble.
House news (for those interested) – well, as of this moment, some water team is tearing apart the walls and floor. Oyesh. Water damage everywhere. Yesterday we all spent a few hours in the basement throwing stuff away and cleaning up what we could. So far, my husband lost military stuff … records, and stuff like that. A few photos (but most weren’t down there.) Power tools. Washer/drying. Water heater. They’ve already replaced the heater. Plumber is going to take a peak this afternoon. We can only guess as to how many broken pipes there will be in the end. A toilet shattered.
But, it is time to mourn my dining room. It was really cute. Molding on the ceiling edge … wainscoting … it was pretty.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 11:51 am #
Hmmmmm.
I’m sure you criticized harshly the rocket attacks on Sderot. And now you know . . . the rest of the story.
I wonder whether you’re most concerned over the business about Bolshevist atheism. Certainly, that cannot have been responsible for anything near the amount of blood shed by the Catholic Church.
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 11:52 am #
“They are just trying to survive their own Karma…”
Madame Cleo, perhaps you are unaware of this fact, but the Catholic church does not list Karma amongst the beliefs they adhere to…
Shirley MacLaine? maybe…
Although only reading here for a little over a year, I believe that is the most asinine statement you’ve ever made…
Here’s a clue. Just about all religions can be disparaged for ruthlessness at some point during their history. And so can state directed atheism too; at least based on the 120 million killed at the hands of the Communists over the years…
History Madam, learn it, love it…
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 11:52 am #
Yea, that decisive word was kinda funny I thought. The idiot (mr. Idiot?) pretty much summarized how to deal with Cleo’s cut and paste.
Do you read this stuff, or just feverishly copy?
I’m getting my mojo back. Really, perhaps it was just the basement fumes …. lots of paint and who knows what in that basement. One dead mouse. Poor little bugger. The swimming was just too much, I guess.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 11:53 am #
Although only reading here for a little over a year, I believe that is the most asinine statement you’ve ever made…
Watch the superlatives, Bob. The bar is high ….
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:54 am #
“the church as an institution can be fairly accused of cowardice and go-alongism. To paint the RC church as Hitler’s great ally and supporter is ludicrous.”
Cowardice and ‘go-alongism’ is your defense? If you’ll notice I said
they exercised ‘moral and political expediency’. They, in effect,
denied the Christ to save their arses, but that’s OK with you.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 11:54 am #
Here are some recent anti-semitic activities that I’ve yet to hear you denounce, ‘cleo.
Mind you, I’m leaving out the usual hateful genocidal rhetoric from Islamists, and the recent unpleasantness in Malmo.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 11:56 am #
I’m sorry to hear that, Carin.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 11:58 am #
What is truly ironic is that if Cleo were to get everything he wanted from his mommy government and from those people he views as being “right wing nutjobs” his life would still suck and he would be complaining about the same shit. Truly truly pathetic.
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 11:58 am #
Madame Cleo, do you actually know anything about the Catholic Church, other than it gets in your ideological way more than, say, Buddhists and Muslims?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:00 pm #
“the Catholic church does not list Karma amongst the beliefs they adhere to…”
Therein lies the issue with Catholicism. They ARE THE ONLY CHURCH recognized by God. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS are damned by God and those other adherents are condemned to an ETERNITY OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in which they will DAILY be poked and tortured by hideous demons.
Their disbelief in Karma seems an endorsement of same.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 12:00 pm #
Well, Dan, I’m sure it was the little mouse’s time …
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 12:01 pm #
They ARE THE ONLY CHURCH recognized by God. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS are damned by God and those other adherents are condemned to an ETERNITY OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in which they will DAILY be poked and tortured by hideous demons.
[someone has issues]
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 12:02 pm #
54.
And that is different from other religions how? Try going into a mosque and saying Mohammed wasn’t a profit see how that works out for you.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 12:02 pm #
Cleo are you scared you are going to hell one day? It certainly sounds like you are protesting wayyyyy too much.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 12:03 pm #
57. Bah prophet.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:03 pm #
“Here are some recent anti-semitic activities that I’ve yet to hear you denounce, ‘cleo.”
Consider them denounced…where’s the rebuttal?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:04 pm #
From the Catechism:
You really are a bigotted ignoramus, ‘cleo.
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 12:04 pm #
Therein lies the issue with Catholicism. They ARE THE ONLY CHURCH recognized by God. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS are damned by God and those other adherents are condemned to an ETERNITY OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in which they will DAILY be poked and tortured by hideous demons.
Well, they do claim half of that, the other half is a strawman. Unlike you, I actually read the catechism.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 12:05 pm #
Cleo has anything you’ve done made your life better?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:09 pm #
“Here are some recent anti-semitic activities that I’ve yet to hear you denounce, ‘cleo.”
Catechism is ‘official’ policy, Collins. Don’t you have a rebuttal?
‘he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved.’
To ‘be saved’ one must be baptized in the Catholic Church, isn’t that right, Collins?
Now THAT’s some fucking bigotry.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:11 pm #
No, one needn’t be baptized in the Catholic Church. In fact, if one converts to Catholicism from another Christian faith (thus having already received baptism), one isn’t eligible for baptism. You hate-filled bag of dumb.
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 12:12 pm #
“They ARE THE ONLY CHURCH recognized by God. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS are damned by God and those other adherents are condemned to an ETERNITY OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in which they will DAILY be poked and tortured by hideous demons.”
Sure Madame Cleo…That’s why they engage in all of those, you know, ecumenical outreach programs and conferences…
THEY’RE SO INTOLERANT!1!!1!eleventy!11!1! THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN ABORTION!1!!1!seventy!!!11!eleventy…
I don’t recall devout Catholics flying any airliners into buildings recently, or rioting overcartoons of Jesus…
Have you tried taking a cartoon of Mohammed into a mosque lately..?\
‘Nuff said…
Comment by | Zen Koan #9 | on 2/9 @ 12:12 pm #
‘cleo,
If you were capable of understanding the answers you seek,
we might take the time to teach you.
-
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:14 pm #
I mean, have you ever read the Divina Commedia? Have you heard of “the baptism of desire”? You haven’t the faintest idea of what you’re . . . wait for it . . . pontificating about, douchebag.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:15 pm #
“one needn’t be baptized in the Catholic Church”
Ah yes, semantics, again.
Collins;
Tell me what happens to someone who dies as a faithful Lutheran…
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:17 pm #
He has faith? He goes to heaven. We believe in a big-tent God.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:18 pm #
Where’s that rebuttal, O enabler of antisemitism?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 2/9 @ 12:19 pm #
“Tell me what happens to someone who dies as a faithful Lutheran…”
So this all boils down to the fact that the Catholic Church, who you yourself say you disagree with, says that your lifestyle is wrong. Shouldn’t you be pissed at 99% of the world then?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:25 pm #
Since this argument coalesced in John Cornwell’s book, I’ll send you to this review of David Dalin’s book.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:25 pm #
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/08/18/hitlers-pope
Comment by Bob Reed on 2/9 @ 12:26 pm #
Madame Cleo,
You’re awful fast and loose with your Joooooooooooooo hating accusations. Especially since you, your crew, and O!&Co. have so heartily embraced Hamas and Hizbullah…
I recall you here on these pages defending Obama’s association with Wright and his reluctance to denounce Farakhan; bigger Joooooo haters couldn’t be found at a Klan convention-all they were missing was white hoods…
Ideologically, you run with racists of the worse sort, and yet you have the gall to accuse others of anti-semitism..?
Project much? Tu Quoque much?
I’d say think much, but that answer’s definately a negative…
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:26 pm #
‘cleo’s not a Christian at all, I don’t think. He’s certainly not very well informed.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:26 pm #
Even Wisconsin Synod Lutherans will allow that other Christian factions have a shot at Heaven, ‘cleo. Having been Catholic before switching to Lutheran, I say you couldn’t be more wrong about this.
You are even more of an ignorant douchebag in this matter than in general.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:27 pm #
Collins;
Yes I’ve heard of Vatican II…..but….
‘You’ve, no doubt, heard that corporations make public statements of policy which run counter to ACTUAL policy, haven’t you?”
You see, there’s PUBLIC RELATIONS, then there’s REALITY….
“Pope: So, you’re not Catholic?
Benedict ignites holy war of words
Posted: July 11, 2007
3:31 am Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com
Pope Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict XVI has ignited controversy across the world by approving a document saying non-Catholic Christian communities are either defective or not true churches, and the Roman Catholic Church provides the only true path to salvation.
“Christ ‘established here on earth’ only one church,” said the document, reasserting the primacy of Catholicism.
It said other Christian communities such as Protestants “cannot be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense” since they don’t have what’s known as apostolic succession – that is, the ability to trace their bishops back to the original 12 apostles of Jesus.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56612
Where’s that rebuttal?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:29 pm #
Oh, gee, the Pope thinks that his is the True Church? I guess that means that he’s locking the gates to Heaven.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 12:29 pm #
It said other Christian communities such as Protestants “cannot be called ‘churches’ in the proper senseâ€Â
Doesn’t say that their members can’t be saved, does it?
Moron.
P.S. Dan, check your email for an update.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:30 pm #
“Having been Catholic before switching to Lutheran”
I respect yer Apostasy…………
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:30 pm #
You sure do get in a tizzy about faiths that attempt to propagate themselves at the point of a sword, bigot.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/9 @ 12:30 pm #
Let me see:
The numbers in the Lancet article are based on a study whose methodolgy is not open for review, and projects total numbers from that study.
The Holocaust numbers are based on the actual records kept by the perpetrators – very detailed records.
No, the two are not capable of comparison at all – the sources for the numbers are very, very different.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:30 pm #
I think your last comment doesn’t do quite as good of a job at answering this question as you might think. Please read what you’ve written and referenced again, and do better next time.
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 12:31 pm #
What would Mel Gibson say about all this, I wonder?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:31 pm #
Thanks. I’ll get an account. One-year a better deal?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:32 pm #
BUNNIES!!!
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:34 pm #
“Please read what you’ve written and referenced again, and do better next time.”
Semantics is a two-edged sword because the listener infers from their own perspective.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/9 @ 12:34 pm #
I got pissed at the Catholics when I read that bit about how, come Judgment Day, the very trees and rocks will cry out “Yo! There’s a Jew hiding behind me!”
Oh, wait. That’s not part of Catholicism…
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:34 pm #
I meant to say, I think Mel would say something like:
“Look at the cute BUNNIES!”
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 12:34 pm #
Thanks. I’ll get an account. One-year a better deal?
I’ve stuck with those guys for a while, so yeah, if you think this is something you’re going to use. Or the other option in my second email is available, too.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/9 @ 12:35 pm #
Try it and let us know.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:35 pm #
It’d be nice if you spelled out what you meant, from time to time. But then that’d mean you’d actually have to commit to some point of view or other.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:36 pm #
where’s that rebuttal, bigoted Papist?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 12:36 pm #
And back in the troll bin Semen goes.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:37 pm #
As an aside, it’s downright wrenching to see Semanticleo quoting WorldNetDaily as if it were even as reputable as FoxNews.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 12:39 pm #
“wrenching to see Semanticleo quoting WorldNetDaily”
As opposed to Collins quoting from Catechism?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:40 pm #
Zing.
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 12:40 pm #
The Collector: The first is, no one knows you’re working for Aunty. You hit him, you go. The second is, it’s a fair fight. The third is, it’s to the death.
Max: Who’s the bunny?
I think go off about the Unitary Pope Theory, slart.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:41 pm #
I gave you the link. Or do you not believe that the argument is unreconstructed John Cornwell?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:43 pm #
I might as well be talking with the wind. You can bet the wind would be holding up its end of the conversation more committedly, and possibly more intelligently.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 12:44 pm #
Engrish, prease?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:45 pm #
Here’s another, though. You might want to save a bit of your venom for this fellow.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/9 @ 12:46 pm #
As a backslid Episcopalian, I think I will let God sort out all of that ‘who is a sheep and who is a goat’ thing. That sort of thing doesn’t seem to be above His paygrade.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 2/9 @ 12:50 pm #
As the unofficial spokesperson for all Lutherans, Dan, we are cool with you guys. Bygones.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:51 pm #
This is from Wikipedia:
Except that, as we’ve learned, Pius XII wasn’t as silent as Cornwell had claimed.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:53 pm #
Hey, half of my friends growing up (in Milwaukee), including my best friend, were Lutheran. If I didn’t think you guys were saved, I’d be proselytizing.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 2/9 @ 12:55 pm #
I figure if Catholics and Lutherans can get along, then time can heal most ills.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 12:56 pm #
Oh, gosh–in Milwaukee, they even intermarry.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 12:59 pm #
“Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 11:34 am #
“What’s the etymology of your handle?â€Â
Springs from Pope Leo X. As for the ’semantics’, well, they speak for themselves, don’t they? ”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Comment by Roland THTG on 2/9 @ 12:59 pm #
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 12:36 pm #
And back in the troll bin Semen goes.
Who the hell let it out?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:02 pm #
Collins;
You don’t comment much about the former Roman Catholic, but the Rabbi
succors yer POV, especially the reference to the Muslim Pope who loved Hitler. You DO understand the philosophy of Public relations, don’t you?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:03 pm #
“Top Ten Ways To Post Like A Conspiracy Lunatic
8. Use “quotation†marks, *highlighting*, CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points!!!! indiscriminately.”
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:04 pm #
Oh, yeah. Fortunately for John Cornwell, there’s no shortage of people eager to gobble up whatever anti-Papist shit they can get their hands on.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:04 pm #
DAN BROWN!!!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:07 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 12:31 pm #
What would Mel Gibson say about all this, I wonder?”
Mel would tell you to go fuck yourself, alpo.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:09 pm #
You know, I thoroughly enjoyed the South Park episode about Mel. I also enjoyed the Red Hot Catholic Love one. I don’t care.
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 1:13 pm #
the only true path to salvation
The Roman Catholic Church is the complete truth. That does not mean that salvation outside the RCC is impossible; it simply means that somehow the path for all salvation is through the RCC. Churches having less of the truth may offer a way to that salvation, but it will be one having greater difficulty for the individual, and it will be one leading through the church that Jesus founded, the Catholic Church.
For the pope to remain silent regarding this teaching imperils his salvation. He cannot remain silent because those who hate him and the RCC will be angry or offended. There are many who teach that everything and all faiths are equivalent, but that is an error, an error that may lead souls into the disaster of separation from God. The pope merely clarified the teaching to aid in the salvation of souls.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:13 pm #
“gobble up whatever anti-Papist shit they can get their hands on.”
‘Cause there’s so little to feast on…………………
* 3.1 Medieval Inquisition
* 3.2 Spanish Inquisition
* 3.3 Portuguese Inquisition
* 3.4 Roman Inquisition
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:16 pm #
Boo-hoo-hoo. Meanwhile, present-day religious fanatics are beheading Polish engineers on YouTube. Any idea how many people were executed by all the Inquisitions compared with witch hunts in Protestant lands? And who gives a fuck, exactly, anyway?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:17 pm #
And none of it compares with the commies, anyway. Stupid Godbotherers can’t even conduct proper mass murders.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 1:17 pm #
That’s good news, Carin.
Y’all sure have been busy.
oh. Hi, Semanticleo. Me I don’t carry around a lot of hostility to the Catholic Church. Or any church really unless you count Scientology.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:18 pm #
“who gives a fuck, exactly, anyway?”
Well, you and the Pope have to at least APPEAR to care. You know, for the sake of Public Relations?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:19 pm #
Lucky for you, you don’t even have to appear to care, unless it’s for the hatefulness.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:19 pm #
I’m sure that’s very liberating.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/9 @ 1:19 pm #
It’s rather bizarre to think of people who claim the US over-reacted to 9/11 whining about events that occurred hundreds of years ago.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:20 pm #
Remember that other movie about Algore? Hatefulness is never having to say, “I’m sorry,” wasn’t it?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 1:22 pm #
A lot of times on the tv the street-wise urban priest helps fight crime. I don’t see how you can’t have at least a little appreciation.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:22 pm #
“It’s rather bizarre to think of people who claim the US over-reacted to 9/11 whining about events that occurred hundreds of years ago.”
Not unless you’re a religious bigot of course.
Like semanstain.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:23 pm #
Excuse me, a hate-filled religious bigot.
Like semanstain.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:24 pm #
“Remember that other movie about Algore? Hatefulness is never having to say, “I’m sorry,†wasn’t it?”
You are really covering every base instinct today, eh Collins?
BTW; I was not attacking you, as a Catholic. But attaching yourself at the hip to a Church with such history, should give you pause.
(Matthew 7:16)
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:26 pm #
Oh, gosh, yes. What is it you believe in, again, ‘cleo?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:27 pm #
“What is it you believe in, again, ‘cleo?”
A God of Justice.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:28 pm #
A God of Justice? What, without Mercy?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:30 pm #
Like a Rethuglidum God, or something?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:30 pm #
The Old Testament God.
The One that would strike down the Juice.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:33 pm #
“without Mercy?”
Jesus reserved his greatest condemnation for the religious hypocrites
who claimed a special relationship with God. There is no mercy for such, unless they repent. But that is on an individual basis. Wholesale condemnation for apostates as part of an organized religious group, is not lifted until an individual separates him/herself from that group.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:34 pm #
I see. Go on, I’m fascinated by your theology.
How is it that you practice your faith?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:36 pm #
“How is it that you practice your faith?”
Without archaic ritual,,,,,
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:36 pm #
BTW, death to unbelievers.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 1:37 pm #
oh. Wow. You’re a lot like Jesus, Semanticleo. I hadn’t seen that til now. That’s so cool.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:37 pm #
What did you have for breakfast?
It wasn’t Honey Combs.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:40 pm #
“What did you have for breakfast?”
When did you last confess to your intermediary?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:40 pm #
“#
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:37 pm #
What did you have for breakfast?
It wasn’t Honey Combs.”
Catacombs?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 1:41 pm #
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:40 pm #
Why do you hate Catholics so, seman?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:42 pm #
That’s not really your business, is it, ‘cleo? But OH, the TOLERANCE!
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 1:42 pm #
BTW; I was not attacking you, as a Catholic. But attaching yourself at the hip to a Church with such history, should give you pause.
You mean, one of those “head tilt” pauses? Or a hand-on-the-chin pauses?
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 1:42 pm #
Now, now, N, I’m certain Seman hates Southern Baptists a lot more than Catholics.
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 1:43 pm #
But that is on an individual basis. Wholesale condemnation for apostates as part of an organized religious group, is not lifted until an individual separates him/herself from that group.
Just curious, do you have a citation for this teaching?
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 1:43 pm #
YOu know, I bet Cleo surrounds himself with people who think he’s really deep. LIke, middle schoolers.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:44 pm #
“That’s not really your business, is it, ‘cleo?’
I know how you feel. That’s the problem with questions which could lead anywhere.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 1:45 pm #
You know what this thread needs? A unicorn or a rainbow.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:48 pm #
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that it’s around 4 months ago, and that I plan to confess again before Good Friday. Then what, ‘cleo?
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 1:48 pm #
Unicorns are go, Carin.
Comment by Matt on 2/9 @ 1:48 pm #
I’ve found generally in arguing (as opposed to discussing) Christianity with others, cleo’s “point” is usually the ultimate issue for non-believers. I have had several heated arguments, where the non-Christian in question, will berate me for believing he/she is, unfortunately, going to hell if said person is not a Christian. And this is certainly not something I bring up and emphasize in the coversation with them – ie its not a taunt “you’re going to hell you’re going to hell”. Unfortunately, this aspect of one religion is part and parcel of Christianity, as much as it is part of other religions. The criticism usually arises in the form of “well you christians are just too closed minded, if you can’t admit there may be other ways, then screw you.” I find this attitude most prevelant in former Christians though- my response is generally “if you don’t believe in god/my God, then who cares what I think, as long as I’m not using it as a stick to beat you over the head with”. A true atheist rarely brings up that issue and certainly never uses it as a point when arguing about the existance of God but former believers seem to have some degree of concern they may be wrong and are hedging their bets.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:49 pm #
‘do you have a citation for this teaching?”
Matthew 23:27
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:51 pm #
“Then what, ‘cleo?”
Sounds like yer a Cafeteria Catholic.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:53 pm #
If you’d like a citation on the basis of confession, here you go. But let us be solicitous of our differences.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 1:54 pm #
Oh, the heartache. Cleo doesn’t approve of the manner in which Dan practices his faith.
This might bug me the rest of the day. Or, maybe a unicorn will solve this.
Whatta ya know! It did!
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:55 pm #
Really, ‘cleo? And how often do you recommend I go to reconcilation?
You don’t sound at all like a Christian, to me. You’re too hatey.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:56 pm #
“let us be solicitous of our differences.”
Mooooooooooooslims is worse than Catholics.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:56 pm #
And frankly, you don’t know a thing about Catholicism, except for what your fellow-haters have dumped into your hatey little head.
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 1:56 pm #
Matthew 23:27
Sorry, that does not address what youi asserted: But that is on an individual basis. Wholesale condemnation for apostates as part of an organized religious group, is not lifted until an individual separates him/herself from that group. It is an emphatic condemnation of hypocrisy, but it does not teach what you said it does. Citation?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 1:57 pm #
“And how often do you recommend I go to reconcilation?”
If yer an an imperfect, sinful human being…every day…………
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 1:57 pm #
LOOK! Bunnies with single horns on their heads! BUNCORNS! UNIBUNS
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:58 pm #
My point is it’s their dealio. Get it?
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 1:58 pm #
Ok, from Dan’s last link in case you guys didn’t go see it
So, if you want to know what it’s like to be in a warzone, don’t ask a soldier. My bil who is on his second ME tour?What the hell does he know.
No, I’m gonna ask an actor.
Exit question: how does this work in regards to the chicken hawk meme?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 1:58 pm #
I suggest that you take your advice, then.
Comment by LTC John on 2/9 @ 1:59 pm #
From the link re: Dyspeptic Mutterings comes an early canidate for “Line of the Year”
which means there’s a geyser of academic decerebration about to erupt under our feet
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 2:00 pm #
Look! “Rabbi”!
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 2:01 pm #
“Citation?”
2 Corinthians 6:17
Comment by mcgruder on 2/9 @ 2:02 pm #
this was an epic threadjack by cleo with an assist from parsnip.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 2:02 pm #
“I suggest that you take your advice, then.”
I’m not Catholic, but you might check with yer Priest about the infrequency of confession…..
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 2:03 pm #
It was worth it, to get him to demonstrate what a bigot he is, mcgruder. I’ve bookmarked it.
Comment by LTC John on 2/9 @ 2:03 pm #
Carin, hmmm. Good point. Maybe I’ll drop by the nearby community theatre group and ask what it is like to be in combat. I have so much to learn from my betters.
Maybe I could refer my Dad, the doctor, to the nearest thespians to ask what it is like to save a life? THEY HAVE SO MUCH TO TEACH US ALL!
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 2:06 pm #
Seman, so did you actually just look for quotes in the Bible that you thought would help your case, without actually reading the verses before and after, in order to get context?
Because, that passage of scripture is about avoiding contact with corruption.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 2:06 pm #
LTC John, you still speak to your Dad? After all the beatings he gave you as a small child?
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 2:08 pm #
“to get him to demonstrate what a bigot he is,”
Forgive my sin, so that your sins might be forgiven.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 2:08 pm #
Honestly, I’m thinking we should have put that West Wing fella in the White HOuse instead of Baracky.
Comment by Semanticleo on 2/9 @ 2:10 pm #
“avoiding contact with corruption.”
The context of the discussion was about separating yourself from
corruption.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/9 @ 2:10 pm #
Val Kilmer: Epic Douchebag.
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 2:10 pm #
And do you think that’s a bad idea?
Comment by Matt on 2/9 @ 2:11 pm #
Difference between Christians and Muslims- most Christians will tell you you’re going to hell, some Muslims will try to send you there.
Advantage : Christianity.
Comment by LTC John on 2/9 @ 2:15 pm #
Carin, the beatings must have been so traumatic that I have completely supressed the memories. Heh.
I think we now have seen between Richard Belzer and Val Kilmer, the EGO OF ACTORS UNBOUND!
Comment by DarthRove on 2/9 @ 2:17 pm #
Most people gain humility and wisdom with age. Seems this doesn’t apply to Cleo.
Hey, Dan. Your sandals are looking dusty. Is it time to shake them off yet?
Comment by Silver Whistle on 2/9 @ 2:18 pm #
I think I’m going to say a prayer for Semanticleo and parsnip, on account of they’re my brothers. Or something.
Comment by happyfeet on 2/9 @ 2:20 pm #
Baracky sure can’t separate himself from corruption that’s for sure. And on top of that he’s giving $4 billion to ACORN. What a stupid stupid president our Baracky is. Foibles. Baracky has him some foibles I guess is what we’re learning.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 2:24 pm #
I’m guessing that nipply and Semen haven’t addressed the record of their own religion. And not hundreds of years ago, either. It’s going on to this very day.
Comment by Roland THTG on 2/9 @ 2:33 pm #
Baracky has him some foibles I guess is what we’re learning.
Yeah, but he’s authentic!
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/9 @ 2:35 pm #
In 2 Corinthians 6:17, Paul admonishes the Corinthians against “yoking yourselves in a mismatch with unbelievers” which is not a condemnation of hypocrisy, but rather an admonition for the Conrinthians to avoid business arrangements or perhaps even marriage with unbelievers.
Elsewhere Paul does not ask spouses of unbelievers to leave their marriages, but rather to live chastely and faithfully, perhaps bringing their unbelieving spouses to Christ. But here, in Corinth, a very worldly city having a young church beset with its own probems, Paul strongly cautions the church to avoid close ties to pagans that likely will not be beneficial.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 2:39 pm #
Foster mother struck off for letting Muslim girl convert to Christianity. What was she thinking?
Freedom from choice!
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 2:46 pm #
SBP,
Hitler was a Catholic.
What has anyone who’s been touched by the noodley appendage of the FSM ever done to anyone?
Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 2:49 pm #
Hitler was a Catholic.
You have heard of Godwin, have you not?
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 2:49 pm #
Oh, no atheist has ever done anything bad to anyone, snippy
Comment by Matt on 2/9 @ 2:52 pm #
Hitler was a Catholic ? He was a deviant who explored satanism and engaged in occultist practices.
And are you saying all Catholics are like hitler ?
Comment by Mikey NTH on 2/9 @ 3:00 pm #
As a backslid Episcopalian, I do not care what another denomination of the Christian church says about the path towards to salvation, nor do I care what another reliion says on that topic.
I do care about what may done to me or any other person who does not take a particular path. The choosing of the path is between that person and God, and God will deal with all of that. The beheading of those who have not chosen a particular path? That does concern me. I look about, and I do not see any Christian denomination, or any religion but one, deciding that killing – beheading – is their right of judgment, a judgment that belongs to God alone.
And I mean today, not a hundred or four hundred years ago.
Comment by kelly on 2/9 @ 3:02 pm #
Satan is a Democrat.
See how easy that was, tool?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 3:03 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 2:46 pm #
SBP,
Hitler was a Catholic.”
Well, no, he wasn’t, you retarded marmoset.
Comment by Roland THTG on 2/9 @ 3:03 pm #
Hitler was a Catholic.
So was Martin Luther.
Moron.
Comment by cranky-d on 2/9 @ 3:04 pm #
My only issue with “cornify” is that you cannot choose between getting unicorns and rainbows. It’s hit or miss. Then gain, there might be something deeper in all that.
Nah.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 3:07 pm #
So was Martin Luther.
Also Madame Curie, Mother Theresa and John F. Kennedy (although I hear there’s talk of replacing him with Obama in the SecProgg Calendar of Saints).
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 3:10 pm #
BTW, nipply, I see that Plastic Jesus is down to 38% in “strongly approve”.
Given that 80% of Americans describe themselves as Christian, I’m thinking that Real Jesus is slightly more popular.
Sorry about that.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/9 @ 3:12 pm #
Hitler was raised Catholic, a small distinction, alphie. He left his faith early in his political career to immerse himself in pagan “blood rituals” and socialist nationalism while attempting to imbue some kind of defining power to religious relics.
In other words, batshit crazy.
Having just attended a Catholic memorial mass for my Mom, I find myself with very little patience for ignorant Catholic bashing (even though I’m a Presbyterian.)
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 3:13 pm #
Dan,
I’m a Pastafarian. Please find something my people have down that compares to what Hitler did.
Gee SBP,
It would appear all the Republicans’ talking points are wrong, including that one:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114202/Obama-Upper-Hand-Stimulus-Fight.aspx
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 3:18 pm #
My in-laws still wear orange on St. Patrick’s Day. Coming from Irish Catholic ancestry as I do, that still rankles just a bit.
But I’m one of the dreaded Protestants now, so I’d just be angry with myself.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 3:21 pm #
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 3:13 pm #
Look, puppies!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 2/9 @ 3:23 pm #
It would appear all the Republicans’ talking points are wrong, including that one
Liar.’
Buh-bye. Again.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 3:28 pm #
Stalin was a Pastafarian. Pol Pot, too.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 2/9 @ 3:32 pm #
Where do you think they simmered the sauce?
Pol Pot.
Comment by BJTexs on 2/9 @ 3:34 pm #
Hugo Chavez is a Tuberfarian. Because of his head.
Comment by kelly on 2/9 @ 3:50 pm #
Comment by McGehee on 2/9 @ 4:19 pm #
Hitler was a vegetarian. Therefore if you don’t eat meat you must be a Nazi.
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 4:36 pm #
Mao was a Pastafarian too.
Funny, I wonder what Catholic Hitler was thinking when he sent those Catholic priests to his little summer camps.
Or, when he said after he got rid of the Jews, he was gonna rid the world of Christianity next. Then Capitalism.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 2/9 @ 4:48 pm #
Or, when he said after he got rid of the Jews, he was gonna rid the world of Christianity next. Then Capitalism.
Boy, ol’ Shicklgruber had a lot in common with folks whom the port siders positively squeal over like cheerleaders, no?
Comment by Carin on 2/9 @ 4:50 pm #
Yea, but other than that stuff, I can TOTALLY see the similarity between Hitler and Bush. Oh, and also Hitler was a better speaker.
And had a wierd sexual disposition.
But, I mean, the similarities are errie.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 2/9 @ 4:51 pm #
Well, duh. They do style themselves progressives, and we know how the progressives felt about national socialism.
Comment by Rusty on 2/9 @ 5:46 pm #
In thought ‘Dogma’ was a great movie.
Wake me up when the Pontiff starts lopping off heads.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 2/9 @ 7:05 pm #
Truer words, Carin.
Does not compute. In whose thought?
I liked it a little bit. It wasn’t anywhere in my top 20 list, though.
Comment by Joe on 2/9 @ 7:26 pm #
I have been very critical on Andrew Sullivan for his Trig Trutherism, but I have to say his recent comments critical of the late Father Neuhaus and the Vatican on the Maciel matter and the un-excommunication of Holocaust denier Richard Williamson have some merit. When Sullivan is right he is right. Nevertheless, I continue to denouce him for his shameful attacks on the Palin family.
Comment by Dan Collins on 2/9 @ 7:29 pm #
I think that it was a bonehead play by the Holy Father, but it’s not as though he pardoned some FALN terrorists or released a Cole bomber.
Or is it?
Comment by TheGeezer on 2/10 @ 1:56 pm #
Or is it?
I guess that depends upon just how much of a post-modern Vatican II religionist one may be.