Today, U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) made the following statement after Democrats voted 43-54 against his amendment to strike language from the economic stimulus bill that discriminates against students of faith. Senator DeMint’s amendment would have eliminated a provision that bans any university or college receiving funds to renovate buildings, from allowing “sectarian instruction†or “religious worship†within the facility. This would in effect bar use of campus buildings for groups like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Campus Crusade for Christ, Catholic Student Ministries, Hillel, and other religious organizations.
“This is a direct attack on students of faith, and I’m outraged Democrats are using an economic stimulus bill to promote discrimination,†said Senator DeMint. “Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for siding with the ACLU over millions of students of faith. These students simply want equal access to public facilities, which is their constitutional right. This hostility toward religion must end. Those who voted to for this discrimination are standing in the schoolhouse door to deny people of faith from entering any campus building renovated by this bill.
“This is now an ACLU stimulus designed to trigger lawsuits designed to intimidate religious organizations across the nation. This language is so vague, it’s not clear if students can even pray in a dorm room renovated with this funding since that is a form of ‘religious worship.’ If this provision remains in the bill, it will have a chilling effect on students of faith in America.
“It is in hard times that our society most needs faith. It provides the light that no darkness can overcome. This provision is an attempt to extinguish that light from college campuses, from the lives of our youth.
“In the words of President Obama today, ‘Faith can promote a greater good for all of us.’ Our varied beliefs can bring us together and rebuild what is broken. It lifts those who have fallen on hard times. Our culture cannot survive without faith and our nation cannot survive without freedom. This provision is an assault against both. It’s un-American and it’s unconstitutional. Intolerant and it’s intolerable.â€Â
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In the back of the room, Madame Cleo gives a standing ovation.
Soon the other haters are standing and clapping, also.
Campus Christian groups ought to get together to plan prayer vigils at every university’s Women’s Studies, African-American Studies, Fine Arts, etc. department buildings, ASAP.
Y’know, there’s an awful lot of black Christian athletes.
Orgy of Pork is a pretty damned good phrase.
Seems self-defeating to me. Banning religious worship ought to pretty much extinguish all discussion on college campuses about President Obama.
Orgy of Pork sounds like the vacation Rush Limabaugh took in the Caribbean with his suitcase full of boner pills.
4 Billion dollars to ACORN, not a penny to any building program where a religious group may gather.
Change you can believe in, people.
We can now define “establishment of religion” as any religious group that uses a government funded building, an issue I thought was settled within highschools and colleges a while ago.
I mean, unless the conversation is about dreams.
http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/sometimes-a-president-is-just-a-president/
When will our OverLords carve out an exception for Muslim prayer rooms? Gotta tread softly around those religious types that might actually kill you.
Comment by parsnip on 2/9 @ 3:18 pm #
You’re a moron, alpo.
yeah, that’ll help the Dem party’s repuation as a palce which has religious tolerance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/4551441/UK-government-suppressed-evidence-on-Binyam-Mohamed-torture-because-MI6-helped-his-interrogators.html
welp, any of you torture apologists want to defend this one?
welp, any of you torture apologists want to defend this one?
Why bother, since you always just drop a turd and then run away?
Fucking coward.
If you do stick around, you might want to address this.
Doesn’t look very Plastic Jesusy to me.
Shorter AJB:
LOOK! BUNNIES!!!! UNICORNS!!! PIXIES!!! TORTURERS!!11eleventy!!!11
Meh, it’s the Brits. Who cares?
welp, any of you torture apologists want to defend this one?
And that has something to do with this conversation, how?
AJB, a class action suit related to a bartender pours freezing cold water on a cough syrup. An incinerated cocker spaniel, a CEO, and a magnificent insurance agent are what made America great! A graduated cylinder defined by the tornado is highly paid. Furthermore, a tabloid hides, and a hesitantly psychotic umbrella secretly admires a nation.
A few unicorns would help me to forget AJB since his hammer time had expired.
Okay, all done.
So I guess no AGW groups will be able to meet in any buildings that recieve spendulus money now…
Because if that’s not defined as a sectarian belief, then nothing is…
This is blatant social agenda force feeding, under the cover of the spendulus bill.
So I wonder how all of those Catholics and Evangelical types who put aside their reservations about Obama’s tacit support for infanticide will view this revolting development..?
BAMBOOZLED!, FLIM-FLAMMED!, HOKEY-DOKED!
I mean, Obama said that the Democrats are the party of faith, and the faithful…
B-B-But Obama said…
JUST WORDS!?!
Bob: There are exceptions made for The Progressive Church of the Perpetual Misery Pimpage.
What elected office does Rush hold again, snip? Asswipe.
orgy of pork also could be William Jefferson Clinton white house relations with Monica Lewinsky. You can put a beret on a pig and its still a pig.
Dem party’s repuation as a palce which has religious tolerance.
Aren’t they banning all religious groups, mcgruder?
ok. Whatever. Baracky is expropriating well upwards of a trillion dollars for his dirty socialist slush fund, and we’re worrying about “equal access to public facilities?” Hello? These are dirty socialist facilities now. What part of you are hopelessly screwed, Mr. DeMint, do you not understand? ‘Faith can promote a greater good for all of us.’ No, Mr. DeMint, it can’t. You can faith it up one side and down the other and you know what? It’s that marxist dipshit we let into our White House what’s deciding what’s the greater good now. And I’ll tell you another thing, Mr. Demint. By acting so clueless, acting as if we had the luxury anymore to quibble about bible study at the freaking community college, you’re as guilty of abetting this tragedy as anyone else I think. I’ll tell you what you should get off your pious ass and be outraged about, Mr. DeMint. You should be outraged at the demise of an economy based on principles of free enterprise and the demise of a nation in which individual liberty was venerated at home and abroad, a nation that was a brilliant if ephemeral beacon of hope for the world that we’ll not see again in our lifetimes. I piss on you head.
Here’s the actual text Minty and his cabal what to remove from the bill:
(2) PROHIBITED USES OF FUNDS.–No funds awarded under this section may be used for–
(C) modernization, renovation, or repair of facilities–
(i) used for sectarian instruction, religious worship, or a school or department of divinity; or
(ii) in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission; or
(D) construction of new facilities.
In other words, no money to fix up churches in the stimulus bill.
Seems like just the usual hysterical shrieking from DeMint and the religios over a Constitutionally pure clause.
Oh, and AJB? I’m emphatically not a torture apologist. I applaud it. Especially when applied to terrorist scum. So eat me.
Wow happy,
I don’t think I’ve ever heard you rake someone up one side and down the other like you just did to DeMint! And I was under the impression that you thought he was an OK guy…
I know he’s bein’ all God-bothery here, when you think that there are bigger fish to fry; but are you feelin’ OK today?
Or is all of this Obama spendulus bill B.S. plucked your last nerve..?
I dunno. Usually I like DeMint very much. But I don’t think he understands the gravity of the moment. I don’t think he understands it at all.
Yeah I know what you mean,
A lot of them don’t seem to understand right now. I’ve been burnin’ up the phone lines and the internet writing letters to my representatives as well as those I feel are weak-kneed RINOs in danger of voting for Baracky’s bill. I even complained to the White House about how I thought Baracky was being all scolding and such last Thursday night…
I fear it won’t help too much though. There’s no chance that the NY Senators won’t vote yes on the bill, and I’m pretty sure that Baracky doesn’t give a tinkers damn about my opinion. And, as the news is reporting, effin Arlen Specter is going to vote yes on it; trying to save his phony-baloney job I guess, since Pennsylvania is pretty liberal overall-at least in the cities…
It is kind of depressing…
(ii) in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission;
Do I have to explain the concept of weasel words to you?
Yes. But I don’t get it. I don’t get people who can watch Baracky and his cadre of dirty socialist thugs purloin the entire damn Census without a single one of our dirty socialist journalist class raising a voice in protest and not see the writing on the wall.
I’m wondering if this applies to those Muslim foot bath facilities?
“It is
kind ofthoroughly depressing…”Congenial edit.
A triple-whammy on the First Amendment; religion and “prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, “abridging the freedom of speech” and “the right of the people peaceably to assemble”.
Happyfeet, I agree putting this on the scales against a spending bill big enough to buy everyone a house makes it look pretty minor. A sweeping socialization of the economy sickens me, and I can almost hear the screams of those who starved under communism, begging us to actually LEARN FROM HISTORY. But I’m also glad someone read through PART of the bill, and said something about this, relatively minor as it is. On other days, stamping out campus speech alone is enough to sicken me.
It’s hard to keep things in perspective these days for everybody I guess. Well, NG seems to be sort of la la la about the whole thing, but you know what I mean.
Nah. That’s hygiene.
But this I vow-“marxist dipshit” will find it’s way into my conversations, after I’ve used up more colorful language.
For the diversitiness of it.
I dunno. Usually I like DeMint very much. But I don’t think he understands the gravity of the moment. I don’t think he understands it at all.
Three words:
Term fucking limits.
I like DeMint very much. But I don’t think he understands the gravity of the moment. I don’t think he understands it at all.
DeMint is just playing to his base, Happy-Lamont.
As long as he appeases them, his seat is safe.
Why do you have a problem with that/
Whistle past the graveyard alphie.
Its your ass after all.
And quit with the threadjacking.
What I like about DeMint is that he doesn’t appease his base with my money.
And quit with the threadjacking.
I didn’t know posting the actual text of the amendment we were discussing was “threadjacking” OTT.
The cocoon is a strange thing.
(2) PROHIBITED USES OF FUNDS.–No funds awarded under this section may be used for–
(C) modernization, renovation, or repair of facilities–
(i) used for sectarian instruction, religious worship, or a school or department of divinity; or
(ii) in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission; or
(D) construction of new facilities.
In other words, no money to fix up churches in the stimulus bill.
It’s amazing that snippy is able to discern they meant “churches” despite the fact that the word “church” doesn’t appear anywhere.
And substantial isn’t exactly a very precise term, now is it:
of considerable importance, size, or worth : a substantial amount of cash.
• strongly built or made : a row of substantial Victorian villas.
• (of a meal) large and filling.
• important in material or social terms; wealthy : a substantial Devon family.
2 concerning the essentials of something : there was substantial agreement on changing policies.
3 real and tangible rather than imaginary : spirits are shadowy, human beings substantial.
Oy, look at the math. An even trillion gives a $20,000 house for every six people. And as pointed out, he’s spending over a trillion. I thought I was being a smartass, but 6 people in a $20,000+ house would sound tolerable to some…
Mid-term elections, please.
What I like about DeMint is that he doesn’t appease his base with my money.
What a laugh.
South Carolina receives $1.21 in federal money for every $1.00 in federal taxes it pays, Jeffy.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html
The 10th porkiest state in the union.
DeMint’s snout is huge.
He says he’s a fiscal conservative, though.
That’s all it take to be one these days.
South Carolina receives $1.21 in federal money for every $1.00 in federal taxes it pays, Jeffy.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html
The 10th porkiest state in the union.
Yes, but you didn’t even bother to read the statistics carefully enought to know you were citing 1981’s numbers.
Right you are, pledge!
South Carolina is now up to receiving $1.35 in federal money for every $1.00 in federal taxes it pays.
Oink, oink, indeed, Mr. DeMint.
Unfortunately, parsnip, you still failed to actually connect Senator Demint to the pork.
Unfortunately for your narrative, Snippy, it’s not DeMint that is doing the pork-barreling. The NTU currently has DeMint rated as the #1 “Taxpayer Friend” in the Senate. http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=116
Or at least it was in 1981, 18 years before DeMint set foot in Congress.
I like when you can’t be bothered to read the shit you link, snippy. It’s very amusing.
How else are you going to judge a Senator’s fiscal conservative bona fides than to look at how much pork their state is receiving, pledge?
Carin,
Here is the (B) part of the section of the bill that DeMint is squealing about:
(2) PROHIBITED USES OF FUNDS.–No funds awarded under this section may be used for–
(B) modernization, renovation, or repair of stadiums or other facilities primarily used for athletic contests or exhibitions or other events for which admission is charged to the general public;
So, no stadium and no churches to be repaired using stimulus bill monies.
And the fact that there are 9 major military bases in S. Carolina has no bearing on it either, eh, alpo?
Here is the (B) part of the section of the bill that DeMint is squealing about:
I believe what you meant to say, parsnip was, “Here is the (B) part of the section of the bill that I am going to insinuate is his real motivation.“
Bingo. All federal spending is not pork. Of course, an idiot like snippy is never going to absorb a pesky fact like that. He’s got his chew toy to gnaw on and goddammit, he’s gonna make us watch him do it.
anyone know how to deal with inflation in investing?
Is snotty really Judith Warner?
All federal spending is not pork.
Too funny, Pablo.
To many America, military spending is about as useful as needle exchange programs for junkies.
“9 major military bases in S. Carolina ”
Oink, oink.
Every wonder how the federal debt got soooo big?
DeMint’s porky little trough just has a little camo paint on it but it’s stull a trough.
There ya go.
anyone know how to deal with inflation in investing?
I’m not sure, but I thinking that the bright side to O! will be all my credit card debt being wiped out. It makes me feel dirty to feel like that.
Not really, asshole.
It doesn’t say “churches” in section B either. Yet, that is what you say it means. Huh.
Well, we understand that to you, the military is a waste of money.
But just because many American’s think its a waste of money, does not negate its value. I’m certain there are many programs that you value, that I see as pure swill. It’s ironic that the one item that is a legitimate priority of the federal government, is the one that you don’t want to spend money on.
And seeing as how you don’t count Social Security as a gov’t expense….
“Comment by pledgepolish55 on 2/9 @ 5:48 pm #
Well, we understand that to you, the military is a waste of money.”
And that people working in the court system are on welfare.
Ant that you’re a retarded marmoset, snippy.
A waste of skin.
A thief stealing precious oxygen needed by myself, my wife and our children and grandchildren.
A dick.
snippy, are you saying that all federal spending is pork? Is that your position?
DeMint’s porky little trough just has a little camo paint on it but it’s stull a trough.
Nothing to say about DeMint being the most frugal Senator according to the NTU, Snippy? BTW I linked the wrong report…he’s now rated at 93%, not 91%.
That’s a very compelling chart, Mr. Howard. It will be outdated very soon I think though.
oh the inflation is coming:
O! Mugabe is coming.
hey this voice mail box is full:
The Honorable Arlen Specter
It’s like our whole little country is sitting outside the principal’s office while inside they’re figuring out our punishment. It’s not a good feeling at all.
Dan,
The link to the Youtube video of Kuwata doing his ersatz version of a great tune by Fagan was sheer genius, intentional or not!
Kind of representative of The One’s impression of being president. You hit on multiple levels with that one.
too bad that a greasey union slug/community organizer is the principal
in honor of the “empty suit” press fess i give you the:
Obama National Anthem
“might find it a good compromise that none of them gets any moolah.”
but the “the church of the environment” gets money.
“Its a price we have to pay”
says who? crazy aaaaunt Nancy or dementia uncle Harry?
meya, I believe you miss the point. The point is that “substantial” leaves wiggle room for interpretation, and will lead to selective enforcement by campus authorities. Religions that are approved by the powers that be get to go on with their meetings, those that aren’t will be forced out.
Then again, you already know that.
“It also leaves wiggle room for the fact that lots of buildings are multi-purpose”
fu
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; “
No, this is an opening for the ACLU to sue a university that allows any sort of religious group to meet in a facility that is restored with this money. The legalese sounds innocuous enough, but its intellectually dishonest to claim its not going to be used against religious meetings on campus, especially those that aren’t approved by the progs.
please the “empty suit” is leading
Then why is the provision necessary in the first place?
I hope this hastens the downfall of the current university system, which has become a con anyway: go to thirteenth thru 16th grade or no job for you. And while you’re there, we get to both indoctrinate you into the ways of the progressive catechism and force you to take out loans that you’ll be paying back for the next 30 years.
Two birds, one stone!
There will be a new civil rights movement in our lifetime. Mark my words. Only this time, the hippies will be the establishment.
“Then why is the provision necessary in the first place?”
Like I said: to keep us safe from malkin outrage over muslim footbaths.
So, you have no answer besides absurdities?
That’s just one example. But you’re right its abusrd to think we can satisfy that outrage. If not this something else.
Mmmmm, safety.
So a friend of mine locked his keys in the house awhile back. Went in through the side window and unlocked his front door. Moments later fully half a dozen constables of the law show up, cuff him on his own porch, in broad daylight, and proceed to search the place.
Being he takes his rights seriously, he’s armed — both in the house and concealed, legally, on his person. Happens to be a complete law-abider (professor, actually, and church leader. Ph.D philosophy, plays banjo. Absolute salt of the earth. Did I mention he stands 5’5″?)
Standing there still in cuffs he asks in-the-house officer, as he emerges, if his rifle’s still by the bed. Other officer, by now realizing that absolutely nothing’s amiss here, points out that, oh, maybe you’re one of those guys who values his freedom more than his safety.
Straight-faced.
Friend takes a visual bead on the bridge of the cop’s nose and, having regained his composure after nearly snorting aloud says, you could say that.
Choose one and one only, meya.
I don’t know what to Che, er, say about the university system. Barry O, the Marxist Dipshit, will pump all kinds of cash into it, via tax credits, to go with the student loans. Hard as it is to picture, in a few years it may become a caracture of itself.
Odd thing is, Dan, I get the feeling that the hard sciences are gonna come out on the brown end of the corn cob of all that new university funding.
Agreed. My background was in softer sciences. Sociology was already lost in the 80’s. Oh, the embarassment, reading a psych journal these days.
“Odd thing is, Dan, I get the feeling that the hard sciences are gonna come out on the brown end of the corn cob of all that new university funding.”
As opposed to how university science has been dealing with govenrment funding till now.
STFU, meya.
Either that what JD said or maybe as opposed to what say you and me throw on a Bryan Adams cd and cruise over to Sonic and get some cherry lime coke and chili cheese fries. Does Sonic take food stamps?
I was hopin we could take your car cause my mom’s Jetta’s in the shop.
happyfeet – Thanks for making me smile. Obviously, my civility with these douchenozzles has run a little low.
This is an awful week. Historically awful. This morning my boss person opened the Monday morning saying blah blah about the Grammy things he watched on the tv … he likes to tell us about what he watches on the tv … and he was talking about the show, mostly with NG, and he said at one point it got political and some guy probably from NARAS comes out and said Bush sucks and he implored Obama to create a cabinet level arts position blah blah. Gack. Great. Just like fucking France. Oh crap. Did I say that out loud? There was a little quiet moment then everyone just sort of moved along.
If your faith is science, I suppose this bill is still ok for you.
I wish nishi would pop in. She never was the one to delve too deeply into the economic side of things. I’d like to hear her point of view about this stimulus farce. Also I just kind of miss her really.
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