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Election 2008: Casual Denunciation Friday [Karl]

John McCain’s presidential campaign has issued a statement regarding the controversial endorsement McCain received on Thursday:

“Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not.

I am hopeful that Catholics, Protestants and all people of faith who share my vision for the future of America will respond to our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society.”

Bloggers like Josh Marshall and Andrew Sullivan are of course miffed at the brevity and lack of specificity.  And I suspect that eventually, McCain will give an answer like that suggested by the Catholic League.

However, Marshall and Sullivan may have to elevate their level of irritation to “gobsmacked” once it sinks in that McCain’s response was not only vague, but in a press release (no video, no questions taken for McCain), issued at the end of Friday afternoon.  Somewhere, Lanny Davis must be applauding, particularly given that the establishment media is already pointing its attention to the Democratic contests next Tuesday.

Rick Ellensburg, notorious sock-puppeteer, is trying to join in the high dudgeon, but keeps getting distracted by Jamie Kirchick, who writes that Ellensburg “really has little credibility on the subject of deeming which individuals are fit for mainstream support.”

(h/t Memeorandum.)

61 Replies to “Election 2008: Casual Denunciation Friday [Karl]”

  1. I like how all the nutroots are railing against Kirchick in the TNR comments.

  2. Why even respond? He should have just shrugged at it and said “everyone gets to vote in America.”

  3. happyfeet says:

    I think he disposed of it. Hagee’s not worth any more of his time I don’t think. Hagees are creepy though cause if there’s a controversy they dine out on that shit for years, and NPR licks that sort of thing up.

  4. Carin says:

    Here’s the graphic CNN’s Situation Room is using during the report:
    MCCAIN ENDORSEMENT UPROAR
    WHY CATHOLICS ARE OUTRAGED
    John McCain has put his arms around one of the most radical and vile extremists in America. He has praised him, shared a stage with him, sought out his endorsement and expressed “honor” at receiving it, and has denounced not a word of anything he said. More articles and segments like these — many more — ought to be forthcoming.

    I’m Catholic … but strangely not outraged. You think my meter’s broken? But, I am (mildly) amused to have the liberals being “outraged” for my Catholic-self.

  5. Good Lt. says:

    You should read the comments at TNR – full, unabashed, lock-step support of Greenwald, smearing and dismissal of Kirchick, and full-throated LULZ all the way.

    Reminds me of the last time an army of Gleens showed up to defend himself their glorious Dear Leader.

  6. nishizonoshinji says:

    /begin transmission

    Greetings, Past-people from the Shortlifes of the Life States of America of the Level III Branching Path Multiverse.
    Well you have really messed in it this time.
    It is the year of Life 2108 now and we send you greetings FROM HELL, as the post-apocalyptic biker world of the future has come to be called.
    in ur year of 2008 John Sydney McCain in a desperate attempt to reconsolidate the devil’s bargain with the first theocons, (that Karl Rove, the Architect of All Evil, as he has come to be known), had drawn up, took Pastor John Hagee as his running mate.
    Soon after, because of the advanced age at which he had achieved the presidency, President McCain began to evince the early onset warning signs of Alzheimers with senile dementia.
    Alas, there were no neuronal therapy treatments available in the Life States of America because of the suppression of federaly funded basic research in ESCR, and President Bush’s persistant vetos of attempts to restart the devolving federal cell lines with “snowflake” embryos.
    As soon as President McCain reached the “drooling cabbage” stage and was confined to bedrest with a feeding tube, Vice-president John Hagee seized the reins of power.
    Because of a little know clause in “Terri’s Law”, President McCain could never be allowed to die…..and must contiue forever, vitually immortal, undead and yet not alive….degrading by millimeters.
    Of course Pastor Hagee and the dispensationalists and leftbehinders that formed Hagee’s new Tribulation Party immediately ordered the bombing of Iran.
    Although the ensuing firestorm did turn the Arabian penninsula into a sea of black glass, sadly, the Rapture did not ensue.
    Shocked into near catatonia by the profound failure of his eschatolgy, Hagee and his Tribulation Party wideboiz took refuge in luxury FEMA bombshelters beneath Denver International Airport while the Life States of America…well…burned.
    In revenge for the Iranian bombing and the destruction of MENA (their chief oil supplier) the Chinese began a campaign of carpet bombing that promised to leave no stone upon a stone in the Life States of America.
    At this point past-people, we shortlifes have only one thing to say…..
    HAPPY NOW?!?!?!

    /end transmission

  7. happyfeet says:

    I always knew them Chinese was trouble.

  8. nishizonoshinji says:

    oh feets.
    i lurvs u.
    reallee i do.

  9. MC says:

    Obamanishiilliterati… {yawn}.

  10. Mona says:

    How amusing. Y’all can’t stand it that Greenwald — in conjunction with other bloggers, even including Ann Althouse — have catapulted the heinous views of McCain’s main preacher man into the MSM.

    Endless spewing about Greenwald’s “sock-puppetry” at declning blogs such as this one, have had zero effect on Greenwald’s ability to affect the national political discussion. But continue on in your incestuous,increasingly marginalized echo chamber ad hominem ranting. If it, you know, makes you feel better.

  11. happyfeet says:

    Um, actually no one here defends Hagee, not that I’ve read. He’s fat and ill-dressed and a lot bonkers. I’m not sure what your point is.

  12. Rob Crawford says:

    If we’re so unimportant, Moaner, why are you here?

    And nishi — seriously, babe, get over the bigotry.

  13. Carin says:

    Endless spewing about Greenwald’s “sock-puppetry” at declning blogs such as this one, have had zero effect on Greenwald’s ability to affect the national political discussion. B

    I hear they’ve read his book on the Senate floor! SQUEEL!

  14. Mona says:

    Insane Person and Friend of McCain, on the Glenn Beck Show:

    BECK: Do you believe that — do you believe that we, you and I, will see these times?

    HAGEE: We will not see the antichrist. In Christian theology the next thing that is to happen, because the signs of the time say that we are the terminal generation, is that Christ is seen to appear. There’s not another Bible scripture that has to be fulfilled for Jesus Christ to come in what is called the Rapture of the Church.

    Many people confuse the Rapture of the Church with the Second Coming. The Rapture of the Church happens where all of the people who believe in Jesus Christ are taken into heaven.

    Then the next thing that happens immediately is the appearance of the antichrist. The appearance of the antichrist, he comes as a man of peace, as the prince of peace to the whole world.

    Daniel says he will destroy wondrously with peace. That means he’s going to make peace treaties, never intending to keep them, but he has the world in a state of peace. He will create a one-world government. We see something of that going on in the United Nations. He will bring about a one-world currency.

    BECK: He’ll do this all in seven years?

    HAGEE: All in seven years. He’ll do it quicker than seven years. Every person will have to receive his mark in their right hand or forehead, without which they cannot buy nor sell. You cannot buy a loaf of bread…

    BECK: How freaked out were you when you saw the chips now that we can implant that are RFID chips that will do that very thing? And they’re even making them, I understand, to fuse with the body because they’re afraid of theft.

    HAGEE: Yes.

    BECK: So once they’re implanted in you, you cannot cut them out.

    HAGEE: That’s exactly right.

    BECK: When I heard that, I went, oh, that’s not good.

    HAGEE: All of the technology is just in place. There will be you a one-world government, a one-world currency, a one-world religion. This lines up with what your researchers are talking about.

    The Bible then says he will understand dark sentences, which means he will have a demonic anointing to know the unknown.

    Yeah, a President who is tight with that idiot is who should have the hand on the button, conducting foreign policy, and answering the red phone at 3 a.m.

  15. happyfeet says:

    He’s mentally ill, Mona. You probably shouldn’t read too much of him. He might could get in your head.

  16. Carin says:

    Yeah, a President who is tight with that idiot is who should have the hand on the button, con

    Honestly, this is getting really boring.

  17. B Moe says:

    Yeah, a President who is tight with that idiot…

    By all appearances, Mona, I don’t think McCain even knew who that idiot was before the shit hit the fan, but keep right on affecting the MSM. You rock!

  18. Carin says:

    I hear Hagee married the McCains, baptized his kids, and blessed his house.

    OH RIGHT, he didn’t. That was Wright with Obama.

  19. serr8d says:

    Mona: A frontline tin soldier in that Army of Gleens?

    McCain will have people answering the phone at 3:00 A.M. If we’re lucky, it’ll be Karl Rove.

  20. nishizonoshinji says:

    oooh
    mona apparates
    can Jeff be far behind?

  21. jdm says:

    Endless spewing about Greenwald’s “sock-puppetry” at declning blogs such as this one, have had zero effect on Greenwald’s ability to affect the national political discussion.

    So why worry? What are you doing here? Either your religio-political mania won’t allow you to accept people with differences of opinion or you are, in fact, worried that this so-called declining blog is affecting the national political discussion.

  22. nishizonoshinji says:

    I don’t think McCain even knew who that idiot was

    yah BMoes…….mccains handlers shud have vetted that maniac.
    toolate……
    i think Hagee was supposed to woo the theocons away from Dobson and Robertson and huck.
    hmm….i think i was evil to Greenwald in one of my MPD toons……Speaker-to-animals maybe.

  23. MC says:

    Moaner see.

    And please be sure to read:

    However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not.

    From this post – you know, this one.

    Oh, and I hear your mommy calling.

  24. nishizonoshinji says:

    our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society.[ie, brainstemmed organ sacks]”

    yup, theres that snakin over to the theocon side.
    such a bad choice.
    mccain is just as bad as bilary.
    doomed.

  25. nishizonoshinji says:

    how did mccain vote on terris law?
    schiavo is gonna come up.
    i feels it.

  26. Mona says:

    To those wondering why I am here: I try to rise above it, but like many or most human beings enjoy the occasional schaudenfreud.

    McCain courted and sought Hagee’s endorsement, touts it, and has photo ops with him. Never mind that Hagee is a deranged bigot who only wants war in the ME so that Jews are either killed or converted after the Anti-Christ and Second Coming, End Times stuff all gets rolling.

    But I shall leave you all now to your intramural ….musings.

  27. happyfeet says:

    Schiavos aren’t really all that common I don’t think. Maybe a lesbian schiavo with a life partner battling the parents? That might could jumpstart it back up, but mostly it’s been done to death.

  28. happyfeet says:

    Hagee is a deranged bigot. That’s so duh. I’ve heard so much about you and here you are and you’re not bringing your A game I don’t think.

  29. Visionsthrougheyes(another galaxy) says:

    McCain really can’t go around saying we are in hell and have chosen lucifer. God won’t come back cause we did. We see in our sleep. We hear in our sleep. We had God’s bodies here that we sold to lucifer. So, the real answer is to escape the second death and cheat lucifer. Since we cannot escape this life by ending it, a sin, all existence would be ceased at once after response using Satan’s device, God’s will.

    Clinton(latest offers and deals, the revolution) wouldn’t do it and chose to use lucifer’s eye instead of Satan’s device(which is perfect) go back to China and explain he was (a) democrat(ic), what America is, changing the future of America. Bush and Condi did the same thing, hoping for Satan’s device, but finding it had been ruined by lucifer’s eye. It’s actually better for us because the purpose of the device is to end all existence(including neutron stars and neutrinos with no mass), by collection, and Bush might have made a bad deal like his dad.

    The tribulation is existence, which God damned us with in perfection. The rapture is a lie, unless it is Satan’s truth.

    God has given us the Obamasiah!!!!!(and his preacher)

    One of these things ain’t like the other.

    The multiverse is an excuse to continue lucifer’s existence that should be ceased by Satan. Cold fusion was the same game. Fission would be the answer to Satan’s device. Of course, they made the movie with the robot men with fission eyes trying to kill mankind as they travelled through space using lucifer to continue their exisence. Then theirs the terminator who would only kill one person travelling through time.

  30. nishizonoshinji says:

    i have to agree with Mona that Hagee was an idiot choice to court the theocons with.
    mccains campaign managers are as clueless as bilary’s.

  31. nishizonoshinji says:

    mona didnt u used to have a different name?
    like a tragic greek name when i usta comment at greenwalds?

  32. happyfeet says:

    nishi, at #30 you just mostly echo the duh. The bar for you is set way higher than that. It’s your gift and your curse.

  33. cjd says:

    “mona didnt u used to have a different name?
    like a tragic greek name when i usta comment at greenwalds?”

    Narcissus?

  34. B Moe says:

    Okay then! Let’s have a Mona and nishi cheer off!

    READY!

    OH!-KAY!

    OH!-BAH!-MA!

    Come on! Let’s hear some SPIRIT!

  35. Al Maviva says:

    Mona, that’s not the half of it. Not only is Hagee, after one meeting with McCain, McCain’s “main preacher man,” but I also hear John McCain was actually sucking the devil’s cock at a local strip club mere hours after meeting with Hagee, after which he went and personally performed an abortion at a local Planned Parenthood clinic. As he left the clinic he was heard to curse “America and its Founding Fathers” three times, then he danced on a flaming copy of the Constitution. Then after that his aids packed him off onto his bus to hang out with democrats and moderates, and a fart that Ted Kennedy ripped in 1982 but which has been hanging around Washington ever since, and is in fact a senior Dem advisor on the Clean Air Act.

    So yeah we folks who you and The Gleeening read out of the conservative / libertarian faiths are pretty bummed out about the whole deal.

  36. jdm says:

    Goddamit, Al, you did you have to reveal everything? Now Mona’s schadenfreud will know no bounds

    Oh, man, Rove is going to be so mad.

  37. JD says:

    Mona, you ignorant slut. Thank you for coming by. Your fucking sycophancy is precious. And sad. And funny.

  38. JD says:

    Al – That was freakin’ awesome, though I wish you hadn’t given away all the secrets.

  39. Mona says:

    @nishizonoshinji

    I don’t wish to appear to be violating my assertion that I was done commenting here, so I won’t reply to any of the comments to my substantive points. But I think you ask a fair (tangential) question, and did so politely. So for that reason I will make this actually final comment.

    I commented (and sometimes posted) at Greenwald’s pre-Salon blog under the pseudonym “Hypatia.”

  40. happyfeet says:

    Oh. I thought it had been something pretentious.

  41. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    Probably not even Mona. A mona moby? Saaaadddd….But, whoever it was, wow, very, very stupid. Hagee isn’t pushing anything. He believes in this stuff. It may be seem stupid and such, but he isn’t pushing it.

  42. cjd says:

    “So for that reason I will make this actually final comment.”

    Until your master is called on his bullshit the next time.

  43. Karl says:

    Mona came here to troll because lying about what is written here accomplishes so little at the aptly-named unqualified offerings, which has a fraction of the traffic of PW.

    Take a look at how HUGE the Hagee story is… not.

  44. JD says:

    Mona – Please don’t leave. Hyapatia … wasn’t that the name of a famous porn star? Sunstantive points? Hagee is a kook. Check. Pretty much everything else you and your master just made up, or are projecting onto others.

  45. Pablo says:

    Pretty much everything else you and your master just made up, or are projecting onto others.

    Same as it ever was.

    Throughout these debates, the Torquemada of the liberal blogosphere ignored the mountains of evidence concerning Paul’s fringe, right-wing beliefs and associations (painstakingly highlighted by liberal blogger Dave Niewert, whose efforts Greenwald labeled “distortions and smears” ) for which Greenwald would have readily denounced all manner of Republicans. Several weeks later, once Ron Paul was revealed in his own words, Sullivan (somewhat) recanted his support. The Cato Institute and Reason magazine jettinsoned themselves from the man they once championed as the great libertarian hope. Noticeably absent from this series of recriminations was the Very Serious Glenn Greenwald.

    Oh, my. That’s only funny because it’s true.

  46. cjd says:

    Pablo,

    Torquemada? That’s good, but Andrei Vyshinsky seems more apt.

  47. Mona says:

    Ok, I’m in total violation of my pledge to stop commenting — sue me. But you can’t say Stephen Bainbridge is liberal, or a Pauliac (which Greenwald isn’t either, all the nonsense above notwithstanding), yet Bainbridge endorses Greenwald on l’affaire Hagee/McCain, and indeed goes even further.

    So, take that, y’all. (And remember, I said I’d stop commenting, and then didn’t — this is a huge, major, horrific indictment of my character.) Bring it up whenever possible.

  48. Pablo says:

    Mona, it’s par for the course with you. Just another day in the ‘sphere. It’s not like you got caught being 5 ostensibly other people defending your positions and singing your praises. It’s boring and trivial, but then, I’m being redundant.

  49. happyfeet says:

    Stephen Bainbridge is, however, a ponce. An affable ponce, but c’mon.

  50. daleyrocks says:

    At least Jeff lets Mona comment here instead of getting all pissy and shutting down threads like she does over at her deservedly overlooked blog.

  51. why do they always think we all think alike? ie: here’s somebody on your side…. so… agree with him!!!

  52. happyfeet says:

    About law, that’s one thing, but after that he’s goshawfully just rarefied. Like for sure if he gave me all his cds I bet I wouldn’t really want to rip any of them.

  53. Karl says:

    To provide context for people just joining, Mona wrote at UQ that I was claiming that Hagee’s views were so nothing, despite the fact that in the post she linked, I wrote that McCain should disassociate himself from Hagee’s views.

    In this thread, she continues from the same demonstrably false premise. It is not the first time that Mona has lied about what is written here. I suspect it won’t be the last. It is who she is and what she does.

  54. happyfeet says:

    She seems to be kind of just phoning it in though. Maybe she needs a vitamin water, or has she always been so verveless?

  55. Karl says:

    BTW, cjd did not have to wait long for that prediction to come true.

  56. sashal says:

    Karl.
    Kirchick is nasty character, typical proto-communist, aggressively striving to change and subjugate certain countries and nationalities to his likings.
    He makes Jews look like always suspicious ,afraid of their own shadow people…

  57. Pablo says:

    sashal, is Kirchick doing all that subjugating from his perch at TNR, or does he have an underground lair/control center he does that from?

    ‘feets, this is Mona’s A game. The bird does not sing because she has an answer, she sings because she has a song. Mona’s song is an oldie.

  58. sashal says:

    Pablo,
    he wish he had(lair/control).
    I’ve seen that type of characters before.
    Eager to shove their ideology down our throats , members of the komsomol or the local party organization…

  59. sashal says:

    Pablo, contrary to many of you guys here,
    I have acquired 7th sense to everything with even remote smackings of communism , voluntarism, authoritarianism, which I detect from miles away.
    To everybody and everything who/which puts ideology ahead of pragmatism and realism.
    To anybody with shrill perception of anti-semitism as well(remember , that USSR had anti-semitism as the subtle government policy)

  60. Slartibartfast says:

    Ok, I’m in total violation of my pledge to stop commenting

    Not that there’s anything wrong with a little OCD.

    No need to respond, Mona. Really. I’m not even paying attention.

  61. B Moe says:

    Mona – Please don’t leave. Hyapatia …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_of_Alexandria

    Hypatia rebuffed a suitor by showing him her menstrual rags, claiming they demonstrated that there was “nothing beautiful” about carnal desires.

    That’s our Mona.

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