It’s like the guy watches Munich on an infinite loop and internalizes all the nuance. From KUNA:
The United States cannot be a Mideast peacemaker if American government leaders are seen as “knee-jerk supporters of every action or policy of whatever Israeli government happens to be in power at any particular time,” former President Jimmy Carter said on Wednesday.
“That is the essential fact that must be faced and, unfortunately, is not being faced in this country,” Carter said during a speech at the National Press Club, where he came to accept the 2007 Ridenhour Courage Prize by the Fertel Foundation and the Nation Institute. “The American friends of Israel who demand such subservience are in many cases sincere and well-intentioned people. I know them. But on this crucial issue, they are tragically mistaken. Their demands subvert America’s ability to bring to Israel what she most desperately needs and wants—peace and security within recognized borders.”
Yeah. What do “they” know, anyway. Have any of “them” dealt with the trials and tribulations of trying to appease terrorists?
Today the growth of Islamic extremism and unprecedented hostility toward America, even inside countries like Jordan and Egypt, where the popularity of the United States is now less than 5 percent, is directly related to the continuing bloodshed between Israelis and Palestinians and a lack of progress toward peace for Israel and justice for the Palestinians, Carter said.
“To think otherwise is foolish and dangerous,” he added.
Carter said his prayer is for U.S. elected officials to “have the courage to face the facts and to do what is necessary to return America to its honored position as a peacemaker.”
And all that would take, presumably, is to get those monied Jews in New York to stop their efforts to “subvert” American interests, and to stop using their outsized influence to demand “subservience” from US lawmakers in their aim to keep propped up that mideast Zionist rabble-rouser.
After all, if every Muslim country in the region hates Israel, there has to be a reason, right? And if the US continues its “knee-jerk” defense of a mideast democracy, it risks losing support among totalitarian states, many of whom support terrorism, at least tacitly.
Or, to translate Carterese, what the mideast needs now is a nice scapegoat. And who better than the Jews?
In Carter’s defense, he does allow that some of these Israel-first, faux American agent provocateurs are, in fact, acting out of sincerity (rather than, say… what? Greed? A desire to oppress? Pan-Zionism?). And in fact, some of his best friends are Joooos!
But sadly, they simply don’t know their own interests. So, for better or worse, that obligation falls to a former Peanut farmer and scourge to giant water bunnies; transnational progressivists looking to curb US influence that isn’t capitulatory in nature; and the Arab and Muslim countries that surround Israel in a giant potential hug— If only Israel would let itself be loved.
By, you know, either being driven into the sea, or wiped off the face of the planet in nuclear hellfire. Depending on which of it’s real supporters you listen to.
With Jimmah and Nancy leading the charge I can’t understand why the Jewish vote in America is so heavily Democratic.
Let me know when Markg8 shows up. He’s hot.
(Oils flute conspiratorially.)
There has to be a reason why, whenever I read the groovy thoughts of St. Jimmah, I am overcome with a relentless desire to take an oversized potato peeler to my own head.
Screaming optional.
Zamfir was a zionist???? Who knew????
Don’t use oils. Use KY.
Last I heard, Jimmy was gushing his support for Pelosi’s embarrassing and dangerously unsophisticated attempt at playing Secretary of State.
I thought people were supposed to want to avoid Alzheimers, not channel it. Especially since old Alz just might-could have been Joooooish. But, then again, maybe Jimmah merely wants it renamed “Jimmahis”, after its true Arab originators.
I am truly running out of expletives.
My supply is running low, too.
The Fertel Foundation that begifted Jimmah is managed by the Ruth’s Chris heirs. They’ve been giving these awards out since 2003. It’s Truth-Telling Award winner that year? Joe Wilson.
Gee, so Ron was a hero for doing investigative journalism.
Q:What was his job anyway?
A: he was an investigative journalist.
Q: So basically, he was a hero for doing his job?
A: Well, it sounds so trite and belittling when you phrase it that way, but yes.
Q: What was he doing on every other story in his career?
A: Uh, The same thing?
Q: And he received how many additional awards?
A: That’s not the point! He scored big! He stuck it to the man! Just like Jow Wilson did.
Q: So when John Kerry kicked Wilson off of his website, he was dissing the forces of good?
A: you fail to see the truhtellingingness of this situation.
Mr. Carter is just advocating the traditional appeasers’ position – sell out your ally to the lowest bidder.
Everyone loves the Jews when they’re dying. It’s when they fight back that people hate them.
Cet animal est tres mechant, etc.
The Fertel Foundation that begifted Jimmah is managed by the Ruth’s Chris heirs.
Crikey. Does Hannity know?
Like the man said:
Follow the money. Money never lies.
I might be overstating “heirs” – it may be just the one kid – got it from this page.
Loved this part:
That’s like, evocative language.
I think Ruth’s just IPO’d or is about to, and something tells me they don’t let sizzle boy actually run the actual business, but then again, could be.
If Carter had been Abraham, he would’ve ignored the angel and plunged the knife in Isaac’s chest, then taken Ishmael out for beers afterward.
TW: A southern man don’t need him around, anyhow.
I guess Jimmah is proof positive that Alzheimers is not the crippling disease we all thought it was.
Either that or he has exceptionally talented and capable handlers.
Translation: “elect a Democrat President”
Personally, I think he’s right.
Hard-line Israeli policies have been tried for most of the last 60 years. I notice they haven’t exactly worked. The Palestinians are still around and hating them and Israel is still a war zone.
There is a significant portion of the Israeli electorate (the majority that called from withdrawal from Lebanon, for instance) that desires a different way, and no, Jeff, you won’t read about that section in the execrable Jerusalem Post (motto: We’re the Washington Times without Moonies).
When you try one way for 60 years and the kibbutzim that were bombed in Leon Uris’s books are getting bombed today, intelligent policy makers might consider a change in course. Of course, other people, righteous in their moral vanity and indignation, argue “stay the course.”
Then again, those vile peaceniks and Jimmah don’t have the wonder of your certainty. You know A-Rabs are bad and Israel should have nothing to do with them.
This, despite the fact that the 1977 Peace Accords have resulted in….let me hear the gears grind….yes, no major Egyptian-Israeli war. Peace between Israel and Egypt means they don’t fight. Wow, what a concept.
The actions of the Israeli left and center have resulted in that stupid fence and fewer suicide bombing. That actions of Sharon and the right? Started Intifada 2. Seems to me the side with the successful result should trump the chest pounding of the Denver Martyr brigade.
Jimmah is on the right side of history yet.
Hard-line Palestinian policies have also been tried for most of the last 60 years. I notice they haven’t exactly worked. Israel is still around.
So, who’s failing?
Like we were in 1979 when we were bending over grabbing our ankles while being peaceful to the Iranians holding our people, not long after this clown got chased around by a bunny.
Typical Lefty, Appease the Bullies and Run from frightening rodents.
Looks like sizzle-boy’s highest position within the family biz was as the manager of his mum’s original steakhouse. Also seems that he started up this “foundation” all on his own, though no doubt with some of ma’s inheritance money.
Considering Ruth used to advertise on Rush Limbaugh when she was alive (died 2002), I’d imagine the causes championed by her son are causing her to spin like a driedel.
timmah…How exactly did Sharon CAUSE the second infitada? Elaborate…PLEASE!!!!
Way to break into the shit head zone, btw.
The peace treaty between Israel and Egypt was between Sadat (who was assassinated because of it) and—dare I say it?—Menachem Begin. A true leftwinger, Begin. Jimmy Carter came in at the last minute to wangle a commission on the deal.
The Egyptians had plenty of good reasons to make peace—just one example: the return of the Sinai, which they had lost in their foolish 1973 attack on Israel—but the Palestinians are fully invested in their death cult. That “stupid fence,” which most of the left considers a violation of international law, is the closest thing to a peace treaty you’re going to get.
timmyb – The Peanut Prez does not consider that Apartheid fence a success. Haven’t you heard? He has no problems with the Palestinians continuing their dialogue of rocket attacks and other terrorist activities until they get what they want. Although he has tried to walk back from that part of his latest book, his behavior suggests otherwise.
His support of Blinky’s trip to Damascus should earn him some more dough from his Arab supporters.
timmyb, please provide us with the wormhole coordinates to the parallel universe you are currently occupying.
timmyb ia a-bot’s long-winded brother.
And Israel’s hard-line policies haven’t worked? I will note that Israel is still around, so those policies haven’t exactly failed either.
With Jimmah as the leading example it just goes to show why the “progressives” think there is such a profound danger to Jews posed by fundamentalist and evangelical christians.
Fortunately real fundamentalist and evangelical christians are really nothing at all like goober brain.
Mikey makes a good point.
Notice that timmyb’s repeatedly made the same assertion: the hardline policies of the last sixty years have failed.
2007-60=1947
So, really, timmyb is saying that Israel’s actions since Independence have failed. Which hardline policies are those? Not the policy of occupying the West Bank and Gaza, that’d be forty years.
No, timmyb, like markg8, is referring to the “hardline policies” of “occupation” of places like Haifa and Tel Aviv. The existence of the state of Israel, in short.
Quite an interesting way of looking at it. The fact that the Arab states sought to snuff Israel as formation, that is now a sign of Israeli failure. That the Arab states have maintained a state of war since it successfully defended itself in 1948? A sign of Israeli failure.
So, what would be a method for Israeli success, given the failures of the past sixty years? Presumably, ending the occupation of the territory from the river to the sea.
That’s the same “jews are just going to have to understand why people want to kill them” line you hear from the neo-nazis, leftists, and arabs….
TW: It made63 me throw up a little in my mouth….
So we know the Israelis are perfectly willing and able to negotiate and honor a peace deal. Now what does that tell us about the inability to broker one with Palestinians?
Wow, timmah, I haven’t read such a revisionist view of Israeli history since…well, since Jimmah’s book came out.
Um, would that be “hard-line” policies like signing the Oslo Accords while Arafat was publicly stating to the Palestinians that this was merely a temporary “hudna” in the eventual strategy of destroying Israel?
Or, would that be the “hard-line” policies like allowing Arafat, the “Godfather” of the tactic of suicide bombing, to return to the Palestinian territories as head of state, in a wonderfully cynical, pessimistic, non-utopian gesture at peace, after he had been driven out and exiled after the first intifada and had already been clearly and directly tied to terrorist acts?
Maybe you are referring to the “hard-line” Israeli policy of waiting until a particularly grievous attack at a Passover seder—this after a year and a half of bombings in Israeli pizza parlors, buses, and discoteques, not mentioning that women and children were not deemed collateral by the terrorists in these attacks, but rather were the primary targets—before the “butcher” Sharon decided enough was enough and, instead of carpet bombing Jenin, where the proud perpetrators of the Passover attack were based, sent in Israeli soldiers, many of whom were killed, in an attempt to only bring justice to the terrorists and minimize civilian deaths at risk to these aforementioned Israeli soldiers?
Would that be the “hard-line” policies of Ehud Barak, who offered Arafat nearly everything he wanted in what was described by most as a (suicidal) once-in-lifetime offer, and yet had this offer rejected whole cloth by Arafat, according to even Bill Clinton, without the slightest attempt to really “negotiate” in good faith, because peace, land, or a State were not what Arafat really wanted? (n.b., after returning to Israel, his response to further negotiations was to launch the intifada.)
The reason they are still around is because Israel is too concerned with what the “world community” thinks of them and with their own warped sense of rules of engagement, and will not treat the terrorists and those who enable them in the the territories to with the heavy hand of justice needed in a war that has been declared on them since birth in 1947.
The reason the Palestinians hate the Israelis is that they are taught to do so since birth, sipping on the teat of Jew-hatred and inculcated with the mission to carry out the destruction of the Jewish state non-stop.
For F’s Sake! No sh*t, Sherlock! See, when Israel actually has a partner for peace (prereq: acknowledge Israel actually has a right to exist), lo and behold, Israel gives away land three times greater the that it keeps (the Sinai) in order to attain peace. There’s those hard-line Israelis again, huh? For another example, see Jordan.
So, from this, you conclude that peace deals are good. Genius, pure Genius, Timmy. Yet, you fail to see that it is Israel who is constantly being made to compromise (i.e., concede their interests while their Arab opponents concede nothing), it is Israel who hungers for peace to the extent of making pacts for land which are quasi-suicidal from a strategic military sense. Further, you fail to realize that Israel continues to offer such magnanimous deals at the bargaining table, such as the strategic brilliance of withdrawing from Gaza to allow a base for kidnappings and missile bombardments at their literal doorstep.
Yet, for some reason, the deals never materialize. Hmmmmmm…why would that be? Oh, yeah, that small prereq – you have to recognize Israel actually has a right to exist and should not be wiped off the Mideast RandMcnally before Israel will figure it is worth it to bargain with you and give you land you lost in your attacks on Israel in excahnge for…basically, recognized Israel’s right to exist. But, for our Arab friends in Syria, in Lebanon, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, in the West Bank, and in Gaza, such a concession is simply a bridge too far.
Kinda tough to strike a deal at the bargaining table when you are the only one sitting at it.
Timmah, that statement illustrates that you really have no idea what in G-d’s name you are talking about, and further you have severe diarrhea of the mouth, and yet are so ignorant or disingenuous that you don’t even have the good sense to take a quick timeout for a pepto-bismol break.
The Israeli “left” has been opposed to the fence from the get-go, and even some of those ivory-tower peacniks realize the benefits of the fence.
As to who “started” I2…illustrates another thing to me: this has been a complete waste of my time. If your revisionism is of such an extreme Orientalist bent (euphemism for those like Jimmah who blame the Jooooooooooos for everything), this is a frickin’ waste.
In conclusion, it is because of those like you, Timmah, ignorant to realities in the Middle East or who choose to be ignorant of those realities for any number of reasons (including “realism,” anti-semitism, pacifism, leftism, etc.), who enable terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, Jew-haters, and others opposed to Israel’s very existence—it is enablers like you who allow the “peace process” to continue to stagnate, with no hope for any near or quick resolution, after illusory and desultory attempts to reach some sort of “peace” inevitably fail.
TimmyB just needs to go to youtube and view some Tasha and Dishka videos…then he will see the true glory of the Jewish state!
No wonder she got raped! She was shakin’ her West Bank and just look at those Golan Heights!
Question to the blog proprietors:
Is there a syzygy of stupidity going on? Or are we all being sock-puppeted by a single entity?
Or is Passover the time for the Jew-hatred to truly blossom?
That sounds a little ignorant for the regular timmyb. Someone has sockpuppeted him in the past and may be doing so again.
Timmy and I don’t agree on much and have ruthlessly clashed in the past but something just doesn’t feel right about that screed.
Solution for peace which doesn’t involve 1) carpet bombing entire Mid East with nukes or 2) the explosion of one or two nukes in Israel:
End Jew/Israel-hatred and Arab pathology of blaming Israel for all problems real and imagained, by…
Removing financial, material, and emotional support for those pathological and warped feelings within the Palestinian territories, as well as by others in the Arab “street” world-wide, by…
Removing incentive for Arab leaders and rulers to foster such feelings, by…
Disallowing Arab leaders and rulers to partake in enriching and empowering themselves at the expense of their own people or on the backs of their own people, who…
Will not need to be constantly distracted from venting their hate for their own rulers and from their own destitute lives, by…
Fostering representative government which enables rights, civil and property, and operates under written rule of law, by…
Force, soft power, or subversive funding of hopefully pro-democratic/pro-western factions, or by…
Cutting the money spigot to the Arab world, which offers only one product or service of true value or necessity—the spigot of oil, by…
Figuring out another way to get energy which is not so unproductive as to severely lessen our standard of living.
Clearly, there are many impediments to instituting the above premises. But, the only real solutions are either cutting off the source of money to Arab countries (oil) OR fostering more western-friendly
governments in states which are currently despotic or totalitarian. Since the first option (alternative energy sources) seems neither likely, desirable, or necessarily possible, in the near future, I’d recommend option two…which is what Bush started out trying to do, but has run into some serious roadblocks thanks to the perfidy of the left and his own inability to communicate this vision to America and world. (although it was obviously this vision, more than WMDs or no-fly-zone violations, which motivated the overthrow of the Saddam.)
Jimmah: our First Palestinian President, dispossessed of his homeland by that fucker, Reagan.
Surprised he didn’t say 70 years, actually.
Or just take the oil fields from them.
Funny how we keep getting accused of doing just that, but it never actually happens.
Carter’s remarks make a lot more sense when you know that he’s preparing his own peace-keeping mission to Syria and Iran.
It’s a shame the presidency got in the way of a really good career as a carpenter.
MJS,
I don’t think Timmah’s going to see the light. I liked your reply though, and it would have been wonderful had you addressed someone who was rational. My feeling is that right now all of ‘them’ (and we know who ‘they’ are) are feeling confident enough to come out from under their rocks, as they do in every generation.
As for middle east peace–nothing happens until there is another fuel source besides oil, the discovery of which would be a most admirable hobby.
Funny you should say that, BJ. I was just thinking that while Timmy is woefully misguided, I haven’t seen him wander into wacko country like that. That was truly a moronic, uninformed post.
oh, CraigC, he has a tendency to get frustrated and pop off, but he usually comes back around. the entertaining thing is he’s been schooled on this particular subject before. let’s not forget that another part of the reason Egypt leaves Israel alone is that there’s an international peacekeeping force between them on the Sinai peninsula.
Maggie,
Let’s not forget that Egypt was ready to attack Israel in 1967 because Nasser asked the international peacekeeping force to leave for about three weeks–which they happily did. Let’s also not forget that Jordan leaves Israel alone, as does Syria (sort of), as does the Saudis and Lebanon too. So why isn’t there peace–because the countries at peace are contracting the war out to the ex-Jordanians who live on the west bank who call themselves Palestinians although they didn’t call themselves Palestinians when they were Jordanian. And then there’s the new player Iran, who definitely outsources the war against Israel.
When, oh when will the hardliners just admit that their policies are an utter failure? When will they admit that constant warmongering isn’t the answer? When will they stop building their empires on the corpses of innocent women and children?
Why won’t the Arab and Islamic governments just stop the fighting and admit it isn’t going to work?
You’ve also forgotten that the Egyptian government is now fighting Fatah and Hamas on their Gaza frontier. Supposedly all of that sturm und drang was going to cease as soon as the pesky Jews pulled out, so that the fun, peace lovin’ Palestinians could build a community based upon peace (and Rachel Corrie). But for some darn reason, the attacks continue, the weapons smuggling continues and the misery continues. And there are nopw fewer strcutures in that area, as many were torn down by the peacful fun lovin’ Plaestinians.
Who was responsible for the failure of peace between Israel and the Palestinians?
Perhaps Yassir Arafat.
From an interview with Dennis Ross, Clinton chief negotiator in ther region on October 20, 2004.
And theren you have it: Jimmah’s great leader and shining light simply couldn’t and wouldn’t make peace.
Stupid Israelis forced Arafat to turn down the sweetheart deal of the century. Warmongers!!