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Depends. If the port is throbbing, I’m all for it.
A limerick that describes the collateral damage that accompanied the collapse of Kerry campaign and makes the point that, no matter what you think of Chimpy McHitlerburton, we’re actually better off than if John F-ing Kerry had won.
When Kerry’s campaign started sinkin’
Teresa resumed Merlot drinkin’
It’s really to bad,
‘cause we could’ve had,
the craziest First Lady since Mary-Todd Lincoln!
Resembling a horse,
‘Tis a face’s nobler shame;
Pure sanctimony.
Wind surfing blowhards
don’t make for good Presidents,
just bad Senators.
Substitute “Presidential Campaign” for “life” and you will be more accurate, if not properly….haikush?
Bronze Star, Silver Star,
Three Purple Hearts more than you
And yet still you mock
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
Benedict Arnold
Had medals aplenty, aplomb.
Now do you get it?
I think the original quote would be more accurate if it read “…that you have…”
I’m almost certain Benedict Arnold never got a single medal from the Continental Congress, he turned traitor before Purple Hearts were established and otherwise wasn’t recognized. Prove me wrong.
And I’m pretty certain criticizing the government’s handling of engagement in a war is not treason. Kerry put his life on the line to defend our personal liberties, then exercised that right himself when he got home. Boggles my mind that people who claim to understand freedom trip over that.
How many “Don’t Blame Me – I Voted For Kerry” bumper stickers have you seen out there, aplomb? Mind-boggling, ain’t it?
No, but calling your government’s handling of a war by calling it “murder,” and surreptitiously meeting with the enemy, well, that’s a little closer.
Depends on what the meaning of the word “wrong” is.
So when is Ted Kennedy getting a Medal of Freedom, anyway?
How is the use of the word “murder” when criticizing your government’s conduct of a war you disagree with because of its human costs in any way treason, or in any way contrary to free speech? How does that move even one inch closer from free speech to treason?
And how is it treason for a (then) obscure private citizen to find his way to a peace conference and end up informally discussing with representatives from the various factions the question of peace? If you have evidence he related state secrets, or used his nonexistent authority to bind the US to dishonorable terms, or revealed troop deployments, or did anything else other than listen and speak his mind, I’d like a cite.
It’s not treason to speak your mind or take action against a war you don’t agree with, people.
Okay, aplomb, I’ll give you a mulligan on the “murder” thing, since that’s just rhetoric, but give me a fucking break about Kerry–one of the anti-war movement’s leaders, who was advocating exactly what the enemy wanted, and who would testify before Congress the very next year–just being an “obscure private citizen” who wanted to discuss the issues.
I’d also like to remind you that Kerry was still in the naval reserves when he did so.
Oh, and aplomb, I found this nugget from the Snopes page you linked to above, which seems to contradict your claim that Kerry was an “obscure private citizen” when he met with enemy delegations in Paris in 1970:
Kerry was a political candidate who wanted the U.S. to withdraw from Southeast Asia, which, as I noted above, was the very same goal that the North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong had in mind, so to claim that he was a private citizen who just happened to stumble upon Madame Binh and have an innocent conversation with her, after which he took up her position, looks a little fishy to those of us who don’t quite buy your version of John Kerry, War Hero turned reluctant truth-teller.
I might also ask you why Kerry’s book about the “Winter Soldier” investigation has disappeared for the most part. Hmm?
Every time there’s a troll vacuum, another one shows up to fill it.
It’s really quite amazing.
Sorry, my bad. But facts are facts.
Sean, I hope you know I wasn’t referring to you.
I guess I should make sure to put a quote in there when I get snarky.
aplomb,
Ask the Swift Boat Vets, and others who were explicitly called murderers.
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”
That’s how.
Seriously, as much as Kerry’s actions might disgust you, or seem a betrayal of those who were still in Vietnam, or should be pinned to him in eternal disgrace—are some of you truly convinced that they rise to the level of treason? Treason in the legal and constitutional sense, and not the colloquial sense of betrayal?
And Pablo: “Ask the Swift Boat Vets, and others who were explicitly called murderers.” Did anyone who called them murderers state they had no right to levy their charges against Kerry, despite the First Amendment? Or did anyone say they were traitors? That’s my point. Kerry went to far to talk about murder in Vietnam, but he had a right to do so, and it wasn’t treason.
Well, technically you’re correct, because NO ONE during the Revolutionary War got a medal.
They hadn’t been invented yet.
Kerry had a right to make unsubstantiated charges against other servicemen? I will agree with you on one point and one only. Kerry stated that the free fire zones resulted in civilian casualties, and that he participated in them. If he wants to indict himself, then please have at. Mark Steyn noted that with Kerry’s nomination, The Democrats made history; they nominated the first self-confessed war criminal.
I noticed that you shifted from “its just talk” to, “what do you REALLY think the definition of treason is???”. That ‘legal and constitutional definition has been given. And he viloated it. ALso, he violated the UCMJ, as he was still in the military. If George Bush Sr. decided to swim over to a Japanese submarine instead of an American one after he was shot down during World War II, would we be having this conversation?
And who cares? That idiot Kerry ran on his Vietnam service. The swiftboat demons didn’t force him at gunpoint to devote the majority of his nomination speech on Vietnam. he ran on four months of in-theater service, and conveniently left out (depending upon what room he was in) the next five years. Oddly enoguh, he didn’t make much mention of his over 20 years in the Senate. Fancy that.
I think it doesn’t matter, as the notion of prosecuting treason disappeared a long time ago.
Plomby, the first appearance of the word “treason” in this thread is in your own comments.
Kerry and Arnold have this in common, whatever you want to call what they did: An overweening ambition to power and a concomitant (and unfortunate) lack of patience. Opportunistic and completely lacking in a governing sense of higher principles.
All in all, if both men were in the same room and I had to be polite to ONE of them, I would shake Arnold’s hand and spit at John Kerry.
Yeah, right after someone compared him to Benedict Arnold, a traitor.
aplomb – That you are in the minority party may seem to you a plausible reason to be given unlimited slack in words and deeds, leveling the playing field as it were, and in “fairness”.
– Setting aside your avowed credo that the end justifies, you may expect, desire. even demand said narrative gymnastics, but do not be so naive’ as to expect that advantage to be handed too you on a silver cross platter.
– Kerry’s checkered, and supremely artificial career in some regards, is at best sureal, and at worst conflagrigate hedonism. Defending it is a massive labor in unrequited partisanship, and self delusion, two talents the SP’s have honed to an art form.
– Its all been hashed over adnausia, and just gets worse wih time as more and more truthiness gets debunked. Most of my Dem friends think he was the worst candidate since – well, B. Arnold.
In response to your attempt to argue that a man with medals on his chest is forever immune to mockery.
Keep ‘em coming.
Uh, wrong.
Gee, does this mean I’m unmockable? Except for my screen name of course.
Kerry can silence
critics and detractors quick
produce that 180
TW: answer45 – The answer – bang!…anything else is damning…