Smoking bans, mandatory bicycle helmets, “no busking” laws—and now this.
All over the plains, long-dead cowboys are rolling over in their rotting pine boxes—while Nancy Pelosi, wearing a Cardinal red power suit and a look of perpetual surprise, fights routinely injected toxins to curl her lip into a wry smile…
It could be worse, they could be legislating against snowstorms.
Maybe I shouldn’t give them any ideas.
Maybe they should bring back the snack tax if they are getting so bored. Also, little girls from Sweden dream of silver screen…flirtation? Is that the lyric?
Aren’t you even a little moved by the picture of Rep. John Kefalas, D-Fort Collins, pausing Thursday as he holds up a photograph of his granddaughter, Lillie, who is looking at a picture of her father, Harlan, an Army staff sergent [sic] who served in Iraq and who is now going to Afghanistan.?
I just call it busking, but if you play Husker Du, maybe it’s buskering.
Of course, these guys would scream bloody murder if the DoD decided to close down Ft. Carson, Cheyenne Mountain, Buckley, etc.
“No, we want the bases to stay, we just don’t want the people on them to actually go anywhere and do what they’re supposed to do!”
I wonder if anybody has the balls to ask Harlan what he thinks of being used as a political prop?
If he’s a staff sargeant he’s had to reupped at least once since the war, hasn’t he?
Putting on a Lefty hat…
—
The primary purpose of the military is to serve as a laboratory for social experimentation. The secondary purpose is to deliver humanitarian aid.
They can be sent overseas ONLY when there is NO national interest at stake–unless of course by that we mean popularity among Europeans. Especially the French and the Germans. They just so, like, Get It, you know?
The best way to support the troops, therefore, is to keep them snug at home in their beds where they are safe.
Aren’t you even a little moved by the picture of Rep. John Kefalas, D-Fort Collins, pausing Thursday as he holds up a photograph of his granddaughter, Lillie, who is looking at a picture of her father, Harlan,
Yes, I am. By the balls it takes for this soldier to do what needs to be done, even though it means leaving his daughter at home.
And moved to tears by the slugs in our govt who would nullify everything this guy and so many others are striving for solely for political gain.
In other words, this kind of political oprahsize makes me want to puke.
And the contempt I feel for the douchebag using his grandaughter for this little piece of theater is hard to express with words.
Man, Colorado is in a world of hurt. We need to change this around at the next election in a bad way.
Me, I’m kind of enjoying watching how the prospect of peace breaking out is depriving Jeff of what little verbal facility he ever possessed (the above post is incoherent even by his usual standards). It’s really driving you all crazy, isn’t it, the idea of NO MORE PEOPLE getting killed and maimed to satisfy George Bush’s vanity?
Yes, Jeff, that’s it *exactly.* NO MORE PEOPLE getting killed will surely be the result of our flight. Just like in SE Asia.
Cordially…
Yes, Jeff, that’s it *exactly.*
Aha, I knew it. Yeah, spare me the Cambodia analogies. We can’t stop the Iraqi civil war at this point. It won’t get better until we leave.
….define better …..
No, the Iraqis need to stop the violence.
How do you figure? And why don’t the Iraqis see it that way?
BTW, it’s an Islamic civil war, not an Iraqi one. Just so you know.
Seriously, it’s drivin’ me NUTS I tellsya.
These wheat thins made from the blood of palestinians aren’t exactly just gonna bake themselves you know. We oughta invade Qatar just to be safe. That and, you know, the Bush VANITY thing.
It’s not correct, obviously, to say that “no more people” will be killed in Iraq when the U.S. forces leave. I should have said “no more American people” will be killed. Sorry. It’s amazing to me that you people can call a man who doesn’t want his son and his granddaughter’s father killed or severely wounded in the Iraq debacle a “douchebag.” Here on the planet where I reside, called “Earth,” that’s a very understandable, human desire.
Jeff, by PW standards you are not even worthy of being called a troll.
You’re like the stuff that trolls sleep on. Which of course, is made from the blood of Palestinian children.
Like Evil Knievel’s dad, huh? I get it now. Parents should be allowed to countermand the wishes of their adult children! Brilliant!
Jeff – if you took just a sec to read the linked article before getting all treacly and pious you’d realize that the guy in question – Harlan – is NOT going to Iraq – he is going to Afghanistan. That’s a whole different country from what I’ve gathered from the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric.
EVEN MORE (arab so they don’t really count)PEOPLE getting killed and maimed to satisfy the Democrats blind greed and lust for power?
Fixed that for you.
As a lifetime resident of Wyoming, I can attest that the real cowboys are too busy trying to make sure their welfare gravy train of grazing fees locked at 1920’s rate (and outside of free market pressures) and first dibs at leasing rights are secure to worry their little heads with such trifles.
Jeff
Nice, early in the war people like you were chanting “no more genocide”. how convenient your tune changes when nobody listened. Now “no more American people getting killed”
How convenient, like you give a rats ass about the military anyway you peice of crap…..
By the way I have the feeling that your peice of “Earth” smells like shit anyway…
Jeff, by PW standards you are not even worthy of being called a troll.
You’re like the stuff that trolls sleep on. Which of course, is made from the blood of Palestinian children.
Aww, that’s not fair. And here I was trying not to be an uncivil moonbat and attempting to talk to you guys seriously about a matter of grave import for our country (silly of me, I know, but we’re all Americans here, etc.)
This stuff about “we gotta stay there for the sake of the Iraqis” is nonsense. The international diplomacy needed to contain the Iraqi civil war will not begin until U.S. forces leave Iraq. I have no idea what sources you are relying upon to show that the Iraqis wants us to stay. If its INDC, that’s not credible.
Finally, the Democrats are doing your party a favor by trying to end the war: another two years of the Iraq war and it will be twenty years before another Republican gets into the White House.
Jeff, just shallow, real shallow…..
OMG! I thought you were serious!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dude, you pulled one over on me but good. LOL!
well, if we’re gonna get all emotional….
PLEASE DON’T MAKE THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS OF COOKING FOR MYSELF I’VE HAD TO DO A WASTE! really, what was the point if we’re just gonna give up and let it all go to heck? is someone gonna give me that time back? I’M SACRIFICING FOR YOU!!!!
Yeah, that Bill. What a loser. Risking his life to interview Iraqi troops so we have a better perspective of what’s going on in Iraq, I mean THE NERVE of that guy.
Finally, the Democrats are doing your party a favor by trying to end the war: another two years of the Iraq war and it will be twenty years before another Republican gets into the White House.
On a serious note, do you think “the war” will be over if we leave Iraq?
Why not, Jeff? Are the French just waiting in the wings to solve the 1400 year old religious schism?
OK, what B Moe said. AAAAAhahahahahaha!
I can’t believe your cooking is that bad, maggie.
oh, alphie, you have no idea. thank God for microwaves.
Allow me to offer you a civil response, or to at least ask you a couple of questions regarding this quote. First…What is this diplomacy of which you speak? Also are you interested in containing or ending the Iraqi civil war? There is a big difference. And lastly, why is Bill INDC not “credible” to you? Give me a break. Did you even read his dispatches and subsequent essays? Is Michael Yon also not credible to you? Is what he says all that much different from Bill? And if Bill is not “credible”, then in your opinion who is?
Jeff is exited at the prospect of fighting them over here so we don’t have to fight them over there.
International Diplomacy.
Pablo, this isn’t about a “1400 year old religious schism.” It’s about power politics among Iraqi political factions, just the way Yugoslavia was about politics, notwithstanding all the talk of “ancient ethnic rivalries” between Croats and Serbs. Yes, the French will participate in diplomacy IF our troops are not in Iraq. However, the diplomatic effort is going to require a lot more than just the French. Unfortunately, diplomacy is not the strong suit of the Bush administration (nothing is, of course).
It’s sort of funny, actually. You steely-eyed armchair warriors are taking your party over a cliff, and you simply refuse to see it. I suppose a really cynical opposition party would just let you do it, but Democrats have a loyalty to country over party that refuses to allow us to stand by while Bush and his enablers in your party waste still more blood and money.
Sweetcheeks, there is only one way a war ends … one side wins, one side surrenders. The Dems are hell bent on the latter, arroused by a repeat of the Saigon roadshow of 1975.
That’s why Nancy Plasticosi almost imploded when the VP laid out exactly what the plan involves in harming American military and American interests. She can’t honestly address her party’s own plan of bleeding the military dry so she makes a big faux fuss that her “patriotism” was questioned.
Either you don’t know military history, history of radical Islam or you don’t care.
Ok…that’s GOT to be parody.
Parody, right? Anyone? Bueller?
Jeff, please don’t give up on us. Help us to see. I appreciate all that you are doing for us. You’re a pal. BFF my brotha – Peace
I know how to bring peace to Iraq.
Redeploy the troops to Iran.
Uh, yeah ok Jeff. Example – let’s use France’s International Diplomacy to end the “quagmire” in Iraq. Open to page one of their Vietnam playbook.
Naw – Our forces won’t back down like your International Diplomatic Corps cohorts – Once they get their asses beat bad – something like Dien Bien Phu – they’ll just pussy up and sign some more bullshit Geneva Accords and slither back on down the road, leaving their shitstains for everyone else to clean.
Golly, Jeff, I had no idea. But why is it all Shia vs. Sunni violence? And what are the political factions that aren’t aligned along the Shia/Sunni schism, but are hell bent on satiating bloodlust?
Dude, I have so much to learn! You’ll help, right?
Whew! A light at the end of the tunnel. Sweet!
They’ve said they’ll take care of this once we leave, right?
Jeff, please don’t give up on us. Help us to see. I appreciate all that you are doing for us. You’re a pal. BFF my brotha – Peace
Have no fear, my friend. We Democrats are going to save you pea-brained right-wing nuts from yourselves, no matter how many obstacles you put in our path! That is our solemn promise to you.
Obstacles like facts, history, reason and logic?
France – They sure love leaving more than they love coming…..they got that goin on anyway. Rooster slappers.
The Constitution appears to give Congress considerable control over the National Guard.
Wonder if these guys are workin’ something up with Murtha?
Well, I work for a Japanese transportation company, and I do know that there is a lot of activity around Okinawa these days.
Maybe Okinawa Jack is setting up the Okinawa Hilton as we speak. Ya know – for when we redeploy the international diplomatic corps.
And everything is working just swell there, huh? I mean, it must be or it would be in the news more, right?
I am sorry, my brain just over-revved and completely locked up. I got nothin’.
Jeff’s opening comment at 4:09 PM
Hey Jeff, how’s that UN diplomacy going at Darfur?
That’s what passes for civil on the left, guinsPen.
guinsPen, I’m talking about kind of a relative civility here, you dig? Remember that this is Protein Wisdom and we’re now in the seventh year of the Bush Reich.
And Pablo, you obviously aren’t as stupid as you like to appear on the Internets. I think you can understand the concept of politicians using religious ideology to seize political power. Shiite politicians in Iraq are taking their chance for political power and wealth after many years of being left out in the cold under Saddam; once they’ve got their nut, diplomacy follows. Hell, you guys are Republicans, right? This whole political-exploitation-of-religion thing should be pretty familiar to you.
So Jeff – Enlighten me wouldya?
Let’s say your wet dream comes true and all coalition forces leave Iraq.
Are you trying to tell us pea brains that there will be no further terrorist attacks on any of the coalition forces, or their homelands?
So, we can just leave and let the Terrorist Fight Clubs have at it? And by inserting International Diplomacy here________, we can rest assured with the Democratic Leadership of the USA’s help, we will enjoy life on this here Earth in Everlasting Peace, without ever having to worry again about Islamic Jihad?
You should run for President. Really. You should. We need you on that wall.
Because Democrats never appear in church!
Crazy, man.
BECAUSE OF THE NUANCE !!!
The look of suprise is battery powered , … not chemically …
”…just the way Yugoslavia was about politics, notwithstanding all the talk of “ancient ethnic rivalries†between Croats and Serbs…”
Yup. Right. All about politics. The Battle of Kosovo Polje in 1389, the Ottoman Empire, The Balkan Wars, WWI, the Ustasha, the Croat concentration camp at Jasenovac, the Chetniks, the Handschar and Skanderbeg Waffen-SS Divisions, none of that had anything to do with it. Just the more rough and tumble type of South Slav “ward politics”, better known as “ethnic cleansing”.
Very similar to the “politics” as practiced by the Iraqis. Cultural and religious hatreds have absolutely nothing to do with it. Zarqawi’s tactics of blowing up mosques and entire markets was just a more aggressive form of the filibuster, I guess. While the Mahdi Army purging whole neighborhoods of Sunnis is a form of cloture.
“You steely-eyed armchair warriors”
As opposed to what? Doe-eyed bean-bag poets?
“We Democrats are going to save you pea-brained right-wing nuts from yourselves, no matter how many obstacles you put in our path!” (Music swells, Jeff breaks into song) “But I’ll miss you most of all, scarecrow!”
Jebus, now where’s my scotch…
So the continued efforts to Islamize England and Europe is merely political not religious? How about the Islamist bombings in India and Bali?
Are you saying that Hamas is just using their Convenant tht promises to exterminate Israel is just a ruse? The Islamists chanting Allah Akbar as they sawed off Nick Berg’s head were faking it?
Please, Jeff. Do tell us where this information about Islamism came from. It must be so comforting to know that 9/11 was just a piece of political theater … kinda like burning a flag.
Oh…look over there! Pretty ponies!
And then kites for all the kids…
and ponies….
AND PIE.
All the while, Iran and Saudi Arabia will sit back and say, “gee, what a wonderful thing this democracy in Iraq is. Good for them.”
Jeff, are you in favor of Afghanistan?
French involved in diplomacy, that’s a joke right? You do realize that there are cars still burning every night in the streets of Paris? What diplomacy could they offer, unless by that you mean supply military cover as Iranian forces, re-arm the Shiite insurgency or supply more IEDs? Maybe they can fire on US or coalition backed forces like they have on the Israelis.
By what re-enforcing the Johnson’s Administration’s economic policy that totally failed or the Carter & Clinton foreign policy of merely appearing to act, but not really doing anything? The obstacles you so richly refer to are the continuation & enforcing of the signed cease fire agreement between the US & Saddam & the Clinton Administration’s foreign policy regarding the removal of Saddam’s regime. Forgive us “pea-brained right-wing nuts†for taking the forcibly stated & binding, bi-partisanly signed American foreign policy of the previous Administration to actually be enforced or utilized for the purposes it was created for. It’s kind of like the AUMF, which gave the President the power to do what exactly he said he was going to do, or are you also operating under the impression that your side of the aisle didn’t comprehend the words used in the Authorization that they signed? Nice try though. You may want to actually formulate an argument based upon fact before slinging that uninformed, factually incorrect conjecture that passes as an opinion for the non “pea-brained†impaired or demand that your politicians actually pay attention to what they sign in law or say out loud.
Per Jeff-
“I think you can understand the concept of politicians using religious ideology to seize political power.”
Well let’s conflate:
“Barack Obama has been associated with the United
Church of Christ since the mid-1980s, describes himself as a Christian, and says that he is “rooted in the Christian tradition.”
And “Running for President”
Sounds like a politician who uses his religion to garner voters in his bid for president.
Is that a Good Religious Idealogue?
VS the Bad Religious Idealogue ChimpyMcHitlerBushHaliburtonOilforCheney?
Nuance.
Isn’t it obvious? By sending Maddy Albright to North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran and give the nuclear reactors. That should do it.
Then, of course, have Sandy Berger stuff all the relevant documents down his pants.
You mean like al Sadr forming an alliance with Iran so he can take control from Sistani? You mean like Iran fucking ole Mookie up the ass afterwards for thinking he can play with the big boys? You mean like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, et al shitting their pants when Iran takes over Iraq? You mean like all hell breaking lose in the whole Middle East? You mean like Putin sitting up there watching all this while drooling all over himself? Is that the kind of diplomacy you envision?
Does it smell in here? Like another 3-day shit-loaded diaper shuffling down the road looking for a new sandbox to drop a load in? It happens when facts outweigh talking points.
And here I was waiting to be saved and all I got was a whiff of Gerber’s Sweet Peas downwind.
Yes, B Moe, that is exactly the kind of French diplomacy he’s referring to. The kind of diplomacy that prevented a bloodbath in Rwanda. Oh, wait, check that: the kind of diplomacy that prompted Rwanda to abandon it’s long-standing political ties to Paris and join the British Commonwealth…
I saw the thread, with many comments, and thought, what could this be about?
Iraq.
Oh.
Then it’s official–Jeff is QUEEN for the night.
Ok, so the French have their nutroot bona fides as far as international diplomacy goes.
So let’s see if we can get Venezuela on board. I mean, Hugo is bemoaning the bad economy (Chimpy’s fault gulldarnit). Let’s add ‘em to the International Diplomatic Corps that Jeff thinks can handle Iraq. Maybe prop ‘em up a little with some USD.
Maybe, just maybe I am getting a glimpse of the Xanadu Jeff is prophesying. I see something.
Yo Jeff – What happened? The facts start hitting you upside the head really hurt? I’m not seeing you respond to the numerous facts that have been graciously provided to you? No peeking at your cheat sheet for answers either.
I wouldn’t call them “facts” enlightened.
More like the worries of an over-protective mother.
How will Iraq ever survive without me?
The Matriarchy lives.
Anyone heard from the Ivory Coast recently? And just what do the Eastern European countries think of France?
I declare victory on behalf of Jeff and leave the thread.
All the while, Iran and Saudi Arabia will sit back and say, “gee, what a wonderful thing this democracy in Iraq is. Good for them.
Who said anything about democracy in Iraq, now or any time in the near future? The neocon yammer about “democracy in Iraq” is balls, however many times Bush repeats it. The goal of post-withdrawal nternational diplomacy (including, gasp, the French) will be to put the brakes on the ethnic cleansing in Iraq that Bush has set in motion.
Just look at how well international diplomacy’s “putting the brakes on” the genocide in Darfur!
And who can forget how well international diplomacy worked in Rwanda? And Cambodia?
Ok, so Jeff – don’t be such a nutrooter – ya go and throw the Malotov, and then watch the conflagration from a comfortable distance?
Howse about you name some of the International Diplomatic Corps you have in mind? And for your own sanity, please don’t inject “UN” here_____.
Wait, I have little verbal facility?
That’s just cold, dude.
I got to hand it to alphie, I mean Jeff has brought some pretty serious stupid to the game tonight. Normally this:
would be pretty much untouchable, but alphie has established his absolute domination of density with this pearl:
Sorry Jeff, you are pretty dumb, but you ain’t no alphie just yet.
Where oh where were you during Katrina, alphie, m’boy?
Ummm, Madame Speaker, Leader of the New Democratic Leadaership went to Iraq with Okinawa Jack – Is that the Diplomat Corps we talkin’bout?
Well, okay then.
Wait, I have little verbal facility?
That’s just cold, dude.
I acknowledged that you have some , okay?
Are you hoping Congress turns out to be as impotent as the Iraqi government, B Moe?
That’s not quite what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
Be interesting to see what the Democrats bring to the Four Year Anniversary party next month.
Linen and silk are traditional.
See what I mean? Dudes a Master.
Watch it, alphie dude, Jeff’s bogarting your joint.
I heard on the radio that the Congress is going to take up rescinding the AUMF. That should be interesting.
They have apparently already taken over the National Guard, can a coup be far behind?
Maybe Major John will live blog it.
Now, I need to get another keyboard. If this is not a complete parody, the man is insane. I hate spitting good whiskey on a new keyboard.
Iran is fronting weapons and money to BOTH the Shia and Sunni in order to keep the violence up in Iraq, in addition to the AQ weasels doing their damndest to keep killing Americans. This assclown figures that if the Americans leave that the Shia and Sunni will ‘make nice’ and AQ will just go away and everyone will live happily ever after?
Mookies death-squads headed out to Tehran(except for the ones that went to Diyala to hide)on “our ally” Malikis advice to ‘lay low’ until the ‘surge’ is over and then they can come back and finish their ‘ethnic cleansing’ of the evil Sunni.
The Shia are going to get their revenge on any Sunni for their ‘privileged place’ under the Saddam regime, whether they had any part in it, or not. The Sunni are going to eradicate the apostate Shia to save themselves. This will happen whether we(or the French) are there, or not. To think(imagine?) that the sectarian violence will stop with the withdrawal of US troops is fantasy of the highest level. To imagine that the French will come running in to quell the sectarian violence(only if we leave), can only be attributed to a recreational pharmaceutical overdose. This person is “not ok”.
Remember: Reality is just a crutch for those that can not tolerate drugs.
Chris
TW: met31 and didn’t kill a one of them! A new record.
My God alphie, are you suggesting you agree with anything that the founding fathers had in mind, or are you just channeling?
My guess is if you actually ever met a founding father he would beat your ass.
Don’t let Kirk scare you alphie, you are unlikely to end up where the founding fathers are.
The Founding Fathers foresaw the dangers of a monarch and a standing army, kirk.
Forgive if I’m enjoying watching a functioning democracy wrestle with an issue. Much more pleasant than the show the militias and puppets of Iraq are staging.
I see alphie’s knowledge of the constitution matches his ignorance of history.
Protein Wisdom readers, I understand that the concept of “country over party” is alien to you, being Republicans and all. However, I am confident that, if we put to work the dozens of brain cells collectively possessed by the readership of this site, together we can work through some difficult questions facing our country today.
The questions are these. Will continued occupation of Iraq serve any purpose except to get more Americans killed and wounded? No. Will it stop the Iraqi civil war and the ethnic cleansing in Iraq that Bush has set in motion? No. Will attacking Iran help matters? No. In fact, that will lead to a regional Middle Eastern war.
C’mon, guys, work those brain cells. Make me proud!
But you just gave us all the answers. So we’re all winners now!
BECAUSE OF THE SELF-ESTEEM!
Jeff, given that Democrats are sacrificing the country’s interests, and the moral wellbeing of our troops, to short term political gain and the mollification of their nuttiest extremists, your line about Republicans is as stupid, contrary to reality and offensive as any you’ve made here.
No, Jeff. I’m not a Republican.
Now what are we gonna do?
Why didn’t anyone tell me that is was this simple?!?
Why haven’t we had a Democrat with a plan until now?
Silly Jeff, logic’s got nuttin’ to do with Iran.
D-Day: War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let’s do it.
Bluto: LET’S DO IT!
Animal House, more relevant than ever.
I am not a Republican, either. I just gave you a detailed scenario of what I fear will happen if we cut and run:
You ignore it and continue to make unfounded asserstions that if we just leave everything will suddenly be just fucking ducky. Do you have anything to base this on? Like something you know about the Persians and the Arabs, or the Shia and the Sunnis, or the Russians and the whole damn world, that you are keeping from us?
Or is this just something you really, really believe and have faith in, like, you know, a religion or something?
asserstions?
Glenfiddich make u spel funy.
TROLL FIGHT!!!
I’m going to drink some Guiness and flirt with some hot women, let me know who wins.
if we just leave everything will suddenly be just fucking ducky.
No, if we leave everything will not be ducky. The ethnic cleansing of Iraq will continue after our withdrawal and will only be ended by diplomacy. The Iraqi civil war is well under way and there is nothing the U.S. can do about it; it is very far out of our control and in fact is an immediate danger to our troops every day.
Why is this so hard to understand? Most of the country seems to understand.
One more time, what is going to keep Iran from invading Iraq, and what is going to be Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab world’s reaction?