As you may be aware, Impolitic was stalking Jeff Goldstein after Jeff posted on Amanda’s new Edwards site, after Jeff stalked Amanda by posting there. He proved it to his own satisfaction by quoting a definition from some dictionary, because, you know, definitions mustn’t be subject to any kind of interpretation. They just are.
So, perhaps it’s merely coincidental that on the heels of Amanda’s attempt to suppress evidence, which is kind of Nifongy of her, we’ve got Impolitic suddenly having a last word and shutting down discussion in the following manner. Aw, heck. I’ll just reproduce the whole thing:
Thursday, February 01, 2007
Jeff Goldstein – Edwards supporter or Stalker?
I’m working today so I just discovered that this guy Dan at Protein Wisdom is mocking my post where I briefly referenced Jeff Goldstein’s strange fixation with Amanda Marcotte. I usually stay out of the blog spats that occur with some frequency in Blogtopia, especially any little imbroglio that has Jeff Goldstein at the center of it. But occassionally over the last couple of years, when one gets really heated, I’ll follow a link from somewhere and read through a thread to see what they’re fighting about and more often than not, it has been about Jeff taking potshots at either Amanda or one of the other high profile young bloggers that run in her crowd.
Apparently I hit a nerve with my offhand remark because Jeff is now “not” defending himself against my “silly suggestion” that he’s obsessed with Ms. Marcotte.
For the time being, I’m going to leave aside the silly suggestions coming out of the “tolerant†side of the blogosphere that I am somehow obsessed with Amanda Marcotte, or that I “stalk†her; such comments are ludicrous on their face and I don’t think I need to dignify them with any kind of defense.
This from a guy who I clearly remember used up a whole lot of bandwidth speculating about what kind of laundry basket Amanda uses [have links to support this, sport? – jg] So let’s just review for a moment, the definition of obssession and stalking.
Obsession: n 2: an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone [syn: fixation]
stalk: v 2: recur constantly and spontaneously to [syn: haunt]
3: go through (an area) in search of prey; “stalk the woods for deer”So if he’s not obsessed with Amanda and indeed stalking her, why is he following her around Blogtopia nearly constantly [gonna need to define “nearly constantly” for us, here, pal. Because I’m not quite sure “following a link and leaving a comment” constitutes “nearly constantly”—and I’m damn sure it doesn’t constitute “stalking.” In fact, you seem to be posting an awful lot about me here recently. Does that make you obsessed with me? A stalker? – jg] and baiting her with barbed comments [read: her own words – jg]? What possible reason could he have to jump into the thread on Amanda’s first post as Blogmaster of the John Edwards website, where she simply posted an introduction to herself and explained why she took the position and quote her at length about unrelated matters in a clear attempt to make her look bad?
Goldstein seems to think this explains it.
And whether you think me a “stalker†or a purveyor of vicious ad hominems, it remains the case that I believe that Ms Marcotte’s views on the Duke rape cass and Iranâ€â€as well as her history of vicious attacks on people of faith (for the record, I’m agnostic)â€â€will be a hinderance to the Edwards campaign should they become widely known, and bespeak a lack of judgment on the part of the Edwards campaign.
And why does Jeff feels compelled to warn the Edwards campaign about this? Because he’s so concerned about the success of Edwards candidacy? Hardly. He’s a rabid Bush supporter and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat if his life depended on it. [actually, Bush was the first Republican I ever voted for. I get the feeling you don’t read my site very regularly, am I right, The Impolitic? – jg]
And when is the last time you heard about any candidate’s internet advisors influencing public opinion about the candidate? Do you find Jeff at Hillary’s website, dishing out unflattering comments about Peter Daou’s blogospheric musings? I would guess not. So why the sudden overweening concern over Edwards well-being? [Because Daou isn’t a vile misandrist who promotes victim politics and silents speech at every turn, maybe – jg]
If it was the first time I ever discovered him haunting [read: open public threads written by leftists should not be visited by reichwingnuts. Whereas when The Impolitic visited my site yesterday, that was something else entirely – jg] a comment thread and making disparaging remarks about Amanda, I would have chalked it up to simple jealousy [yes. I’ve long wished I were a person couldn’t look at a golf club without fearing it my rape me, if only symbolically – jg]. After all, I don’t notice any candidate offering him a high profile position on their team. But time and time again, wherever Amanda is, I find Goldstein ejaculating his snark in the threads [see? RAPE! – jg].
I don’t really care to waste any more time or bandwidth on this, but Goldstein’s conduct certainly fits the definition of obsessive stalking, and I still think it’s really creepy.
posted by Impolitic at 1:55 PM
7 Comments:
Anonymous said…
This from a guy who I clearly remember used up a whole lot of bandwidth speculating about what kind of laundry basket Amanda uses.I believe you are talking about this:
Which was in response to this:
But as long as it wasn’t seared into your memory as a stalking incident, you should be fine.
B Moe
8:55 PM
Pasty! Pasti! Pasté! said…
Now why people use ‘astericks’ to spell his name… it’s to keep him from finding out you mentioned him so he can’t add you to his growing enemies list or have a breakdown in your comments.9:14 PM
Pasty! Pasti! Pasté! said…
s/b ‘Now you see why’9:17 PM
Libby Spencer said…
I’m not an expert on Jeff or Amanda or any of the other long standing feuds between Jeff and Leftopia. I certainly don’t have the time or the inclination to get into a spat over it myself. I made an offhand observation based on my personal experience. I would have left it at that if PW didn’t diss me and I’m not inclined to pursue it any further. I still think his showing up at the Edwards thread was not only creepy but childish and rude. I mean what kind of jerk tries to screw up somebody else’s job on their first day, no matter how they feel about them?5:04 AM
Dan Collins said…
Listen, Libby . . . I’m sorry to have mocked you, okay? But if you’d like to see how this flare-up began, please go check out this post and consider the characterization there:https://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22060/
Also, please do keep in mind that I’m not Jeff. All I can say is, that Amanda was dropping by to see what the wingnut morons were saying, and that whether or not posting on the site constitutes stalking is an issue in which I’m not much interested.
Reap. Sow (the verb).
It’s pretty simple.
7:51 AM
Dan Collins said…
it’s entry 220607:52 AM
Libby Spencer said…
Dan thanks for the apology and forgive me if I don’t go back and check all these links and the whole history of the feud. Frankly, I don’t have the time nor do I really care who started it or the justifications for keeping it going. And in the greater scheme of life it doesn’t really matter what I think about Jeff’s long term conduct, does it? It’s not like anybody listens to me anyway.11:58 AM
Thanks for the apology, Libby. You’re forgiven.
UPDATE:
Dan Collins said…
You’re forgiven. It’s not as though the evidence is germane, is it Mr. Nifong?5:32 PM
Libby Spencer said…
I’m not asking for absolution Dan. I think this whole unseemly incident is juvenile, petty and ill-mannered.As I watch the latest developments, I find it absurd that your little cabal is making a federal case out of her off the cuff post. So she wrong about the rape victim. So fucking what.
Like any of you give a flying leap about Edwards’ candidacy or are potential voters for him? Why should he care what you think? The whole lot of you are behaving like schoolyard bullies. There’s no point to this huge outrage except to harass Amanda.
I think it’s incredibly tacky and downright unAmerican to try to get someone fired because you disagree with their politics.
6:08 PM
Yay! We’re a cabal! A tacky, juvenile, absurd, petty, ill-mannered, truth-obsessed cabal!
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Just read some of her stuff for the first time. Holy ^%$#, she makes herself an easy target. A freakin laundry basket symbolic of keepin the woman down? But I thought liberals loved affirmative action, and a curved-to-fit-the-hip laundry basket smacks of giving help to someone based on their physical attributes rather than making them suffer like all the poor blokes who are lucky enough not to have to deal with curves.
Would it be better for JG to point out this stuff now, or to wait until the week before the elections to point out that Edwards has hired someone who believes in persecuting some guys for crimes they just didn’t commit because they’re rich, white college students? Oh, wait – delaying until right before elections to bring up stuff is a *liberal* tactic.
If she didn’t make herself such an easy target, maybe JG wouldn’t pick on her. This might be a case of picking on the kid riding the short bus, though.
I’m not sure I was one of the people making a big deal about the laundry basket post.
And I can guarantee you with every last breath I have that the folks over at Pandagon, Sadly,No! Tbogg, etc., are far more interested in talking about me than I am about them.
Jeff…snarky?
I’m snarky, and I am no Jeff Goldstein.
By the way Jeff, sorry I missed your BDay. Hope it was good, and you feel alright today.
Oh, and for the record? I’m kinda tiring of these Marcotte posts.
The Impolitic’s “rejoinder” is so error-filled and silly that it feels like we’re starting to pick on the kid whose Mom made him wear a helmet to ride his Big Wheel.
Duly noted.
– Is it just me, or do all the “oh so caring” Fistifeminists seem to have toilet paper thin skin? From everything I’ve seen, it would seem, based on their consumate maturity, when faced with the tiniest mention of critique on their “opinions”, stated stridently as G_ds own wisdom, infalible, and writ large on the tapestry of truthiness, they feel obsessively compelled to launch into some magnificent campaign, dripping with freudain overtones, and birthed in rampant paranoia.
– You know goiles, sometimes a cigar is just a fking cigar.
– As far as giving AmbulanceMan campaign advice, what sort of tips could you give a guy who bases every talking point on class warfare from the quiet and comfort of his 27 million dollar mansion. Hes Kerry redux, except with a cute wiggly bugs bunny nose, instead of the horsehead.
Irony?
Ned Lamont, Jane Hamsher and Markos Zuniga come to mind. But that was sooo 4 months ago.
Libby Spencer:
Beats me. I thought civilised people cared about things like that.
BTW, Frankp on the Daily Ablution has coined one which I think should achieve global hegemony shortly
“neo-coms”, for lefties who are too young to remember Stalin.
Jeff, do you do requests? Because I haven’t heard from my stalker in quite a few months … and the position is open. So if you did requests, I could, like, request that you stalk me.
Oh yeah asshole?
You people are just spoiled, you know that?
The last time we had anything even approaching this good was when Jeremy Thorpe, the then Leader of the Liberal Party, paid an out of work airline pilot called Andrew “Gino” Newton to shoot the Great Dane dog (Rinka) of Thropes’ former boyfriend, Norma(n) Scott, late a male model and stable lad. Who allegedly ‘bit pillows’ in certain circumstances. Actually he was found not guilty, so I suppose he can’t have done that. Anyway, that was the last real laugh we had. 1978.
Apart from the Prescott thing, obviously.
So, wait . . . he didn’t bite pillows?
Can I stalk somebody? Can I? Huh? Can I? Can I? Pleeeeeeease?
From the Reason link:
Can Edwards pick em or what? If Edwards gets elected maybe he can make Ms Amanda his press secretary.
Amanda will do for Edwards what Susan Esterich did for Michael Dukakis.
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Somewhere in the blogosphere that Zephyr Teachout chick is sobbing into her Rob Roy.
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‘Rob Roy’ isn’t a penis joke. It’s her drink of choice, I’m told.
I think that would be a breakthrough for Touretters.
How cool is it when you write a half hour rant, and it only goes to the UFO’s?
No, Jeff. Don’t worry. We’ve talked about this already. Nothing to do with you.
No, I wrote that badly. He did bite pillows, according to his own evidence. But Thrope was found not guilty of conspiracy to murder, procuring the demise of a Great Dane and sundry other minor misdemeanours.
The summing up of the Judge in the trial, which effectively instructed the jury to find Thrope “Not Guilty”, was parodied to great effect by Peter Cook in that year’s Private Eye floppy disc.
tw england61. Thanks, Jeff!
hmmm..
i guess i will hafta share some old gene expression posts with Congressman Edwards. Shredding Marcottes stone age scientifc analysis was a regular sport there for a while.
Does edwards know he’s hired a troglyditic cavewoman intellectually timewarped from the dawn of identity politics feminism? Her scientific knowledge is sadly deficient.
but…..that is likely what he’s after. Vote whoring the feministas.
“And when is the last time you heard about any candidate’s internet advisors influencing public opinion about the candidate?”
Umm…isn’t that what they’re, y’know, hired to do?
Okay, sorry; I know, I’m just not sophisticated enough to understand it. NUANCE.
TW: earlier99. I would’ve commented earlier, but I slipped in a stinking pile of dog nuance and sprained my intellectual curiosity.
Hold on there a second, Sparky! Cabal . . . cabalism . . . cabala . . .
I just knew the Jooos had to be behind this somehow!
english44: And them, too. Damned bitriders!
Unless, or course, by underclass C.Diane means that the vast majority of enlistees have been born of women, in which case I’ll concede the point.
But then the liberal plan is to raise taxes, which will slow the economy, which will increase joblessness, which will cause more poor Americans to opt into the military, which will give Chuckie the opportunity to say that it’s unfair and that there ought to be a draft based on actual statistics while increasing the need for social services, which involve raising taxes, thus creating more apparent need for social programs.
So, basically what Nishi said.
I don’t follow C Diane’s logic. The bulk of all armies throughout history have been recruited from what might be termed the ‘working classes’, ie those whose alternative employment would have been mining, shipyards, steel mills, agriculture or, in a recession, none of the above.
In general, military service, apart from being a useful and honourable profession, in which a man can rise from Trooper to Colonel rather more often than the assembly line spannerman makes it onto the Board of Directors, takes rough material, educates it, gives it self-discipline and self-respect, trains it in a trade, and eventually releases it back into the civilian community a far more useful individual that it was when it enlisted.
What is wrong with that?
Unless you feel that ‘the underclass’ should not be permitted self respect.
How is releasing them back into the world as baby killing automatons trained to rape and pillage and carpet bomb orphanages indiscriminately going to make these poor souls “more useful” as individuals?
They are to be pitied!
Which is why like to spit on them.
Hey, it takes a certain amount of skill to bayonet a baby. They aren’t that big…
C. Diane must approve of Clemenceau’s solution to the veteran problem: kill them all. Not practical, when they have all the guns.
Spitiful.
If I hadn’t come from the middle to upper middle class, the machine gunner in me would fuck you up for that.
i care about all candidates, because it seems to me that one of them usually wins and ends up in power.
and they are and should be known by the company they keep.
Seriously, it didn’t seem to help Jon Cary much, did it?
You have to discriminate quite carefully to hit orphanages, you know. You can’t just trust to luck.
I go back to one of Dan’s from months ago- it’s best to kill these people in their droves. Once they get out of their droves they tend to scatter, and the whole thing becomes a bugger’s muddle.
even when there job is, ya’ know, in politics?
I thought that was the whole reason we had them new-fangled things…elections?