In a comment to one of Jeff’s posts on Monday, I wrote the following:
I should mention that the MSM continue to claim that 5 or 6 Iranians were abducted in Irbil from a “consulate,†even though the Pentagon denies that characterization of the building in question, and documents show that the Iranians were attempting to have the building designated a consulate, but that it hadn’t been accomplished.
This story, which provoked considerable media outrage, seems to have disappeared. Does it have anything to do with Bush’s new shoot-to-kill approach in Baghdad? Does it have anything to do with the soldiers abducted and executed by people dressed as American soldiers?
It would seem to be a simple matter to discover the official status of the building in question, one way or the other, but nobody in the MSM seems interested.
That’s the speculation now. Captain Ed is on it, as is Roggio, who also has the story on bin Laden’s brother in law, murdered in Madagascar, apparently on a humanitarian mission to attempt to secure a homeland for kinkajous.
Equally disturbing is this Fox story that the Pentagon is holding back a report detailing Iran’s “meddling” in Iraq.
Why do I mention it? Because apart from its inherent interest, it demonstrates that I’m so fucking smart. Or paranoid. Take your pick.
h/t Reynolds
Why must it be an either/or proposition?
No, Defense Guy. I was tweaking an admirer.
Oh, ok. Well I admire you too Dan, but not in the same way.
Wow, I had forgotten what a truly brilliant writer and towering intellect Marcotte is. Edwards is a shoo-in, because of the logical aspects of it and all, as they progressively progress.
War slogan for the new millenium:
Okay, I agree… it’s guns or butter. Thank God then that Mike Bloomberg just put us all on a low fat diet…
Ah yes, B Moe, the conceit of the progressing progressive.
Reread that santimonious twaddle and then take a bus trip through Marcotte’s site or SadlyNo or Huff ‘n Stuff or any number of progessing progressive sites and you can gaze upon the academic preening and intellectual snobbery. Don’t stare too long, for like squinting at an eclipse eventually the brightness of the truthiness will be more than your less progressed mind can handle.
It’s not enough to be more caring, more truthful, more sensitive, more diplomatic, more worldly, more clear headed, more sane and more culturally adept than the poor, deluded, insane chaw chewin, Savior spinning, NASCAR watching, insane Red State yahoos.
The bottom line is that the progressing progessives are just plain smarter than y’all. Brilliant, educated people naturally become progressing progressives and the rest of you are left to rot in your mindless fantasies of pollution, racism and unilateralism.
Isn’t it obvious, B Moe and, if not, what’s wrong with you? I read this stuff and the voice of Jon Cary echos in my head.
I hope I charged the cordless drill…
So Travolta’s got a 707, did you see that piddly ass little pitch and putt in his back yard? He can’t even afford a real golf course, for pete’s sake.
There’s no way an insurgency that’s survived four years of pounding by the most powerful country in the world could pull off a mission like this?
Seems like a stretch.
They’ve pulled off far more sophisticated raids than this before.
Alphie: 2 things.
1) Examples of “far more sophisticated raids?” Ones that involved the right vehicles, uniforms, weapons, and ID’s. Please list and source.
2) How do you feel about Mile High Dirt Berms?â„¢
Hey—I LIKE my mindless fantasies of pollution, racism and unilateralism!
SJY; turn away from your unprogessed ways. Mother Gaia and a really good haircut are calling.
EMBRACE THE PROGRESSION OF THE TRUTHINESS!!
On second thought you can keep the pollution…
Some examples? And you’re home from school early today, you aren’t riding the short bus now, are you?
BJ – Oh, those kind of fantasies! Political stuff.
I was thinking more of the fantasy where I’m Terry in Milton Caniff’s Terry and the Pirates, and there’s this really hot-looking Dragon Lady on this luxurious junk anchored on the muddy Irrawaddy . . .
“Comments for this post are now closed.
Pandagon”.
Of course they are. Too much logic makes the rafters groan.
Well, Amanda, you coward, here is my complete post that was meant for your comment at Pan-Baloney:
Amanda, you cowardly shithead (this qualifier is new – because I’m really pissed that this “intellectual elite” closes their comments because they don’t like the comments they’re getting)-
The FACT that I have seen pictures of the “destroyed mosques” still standing, although two of them had two rooms that were damaged by fire, and the fact that NO ONE except Hussein has seen the six charred bodies of the people who were supposedly burned alive (or even any circumstantial evidence of this “burning), leads me to believe that this man is full of crap. He may not be, but don’t you think there should be some FACTS to back him up? Ha! In your world, we know the answer to that. “I saw it in the paper, it makes Bush look bad, so, dammit, it’s TRUE! How could anyone question this?”
If this Hussein is so pure, why have we not seen his name in an AP story since then? Is the AP afraid of “liars” and “wingnuts” unfairly tarring them? Or did another little bit of bullshit get quietly buried? Where is there anyproof of this man’s allegations? I can’t be found, no matter how much you hate Bush and want this country to get it’s ass kicked!
You need to understand that most of the reporters in Iraq sit safely at a bar in the Green Zone getting whacked, and get their information from Iraqi stringers. Now, why would any Iraqi want to mislead them? Nah! Couldn’t happen. Those Iraqis have no axe to grind, be they Shia or Sunni. They are civilized people and would never lie – even though they will kill any amount of innocent people to make you turn tail and run. But only Americans are barbarians! How dare we condemn people who would remove your clitoris with a Dremel? And guess who’s side you are on, Amanda?
And, of course, how could we ever question a press that hates the president almost as much as you do? How silly of anyone to think that an industry where 80% of the employees vote Democratic could be biased?
Your logic is laughable, and your bias approaches pathologic.
Show us some FACTS! Your ramblings are great fun, but where is the PROOF that 6 Sunnis were burned alive? Just exactly WHO has seen the bodies? If you have any facts, you are the only person I am aware of that does.
If you have any proof of what this Hussein claimed, print it or shut up. Stop embarrassing yourself. The known FACTS point to this man as being a fraud. Your heated partisanship does not change the FACTS. Nor will it ever, no matter what fantasy you choose.
But, hey! Facts should never get in the way of our hatred for Bush, should they?
Yours truly,
ChimpyMcHaliburtonMoFostupidassholechildkillerneanderthalBushlovingdorkwithnobrainsmotherfuckingidiotmoronasshatdickweed III
TW: Behind61 – Is that kind of, like, 69 except…well, you know.
Dogman;
We need to send you on one of those native-ish men’s retreats where you sit around a campfire and seek the inner warrior that allows you to express your rightious rage without holding back.
Then we’ll all bang on congas …
BTW: Your long signature has officially fragged the thread’s formating.
Been there, done that …
In this case I think it was worth it, lmfao!
Come on alphie! I want some examples! I’ll bet they did it while Bush was busy reading My Pet Goat to poppy plants in Afghanistan, huh?
Shhhhhhhhh, B Moe
No one’s supposed to know that McChimpy secretly flys to the farms to water them with Miracle Gro. It’s his introspection time.
Take that, steve XX!
alphie is taking a nap, dreaming of Balloon Fence Missile Sheildsâ„¢ and sophistcated insurgents.
Check out this attack in March of last year:
Showing a degree of sophistication not often seen, insurgents detonated several roadside bombs to block reinforcement troops from reaching the jail. Overwhelmed Iraqi forces radioed for help. American helicopter gunships quickly responded. Insurgents drilled the helicopters with machine gun fire as soon as they arrived and one American was wounded.
There’s some very talented bad guys operating among the peasants our troops are taking out.
alphie; really now.
You found an article from last March that actually had the word “sophistication” in it and decided that that was good enough.
The level of planning and sophistication that went into the recent operation in question constitutes a world of difference from “several roadside bombs” and “machine gun fire.”
Reasoning, the other white meat.
What about my other question (2)?
Is anyone else struck by the endless faith lefties have in the skills of the jihadis? The reality is that any time they stand and fight the casualty exchange rate is at least 19 of theirs to 1 of ours. They also control no territory openly, their preferred targets are the unarmed, and their preferred tactic is what’s called “perfidy” in the laws of war.
Yet the never-ending line we get from lefties is how formidable the jihadis are. How they can never be defeated. How “sophisticated” they are.
We’re talking about people who post videotapes of a “shot down spy plane” that is quite obviously an RC airplane that never had an engine installed in it. People who marched in support of bin Laden after 9/11 carrying signs that showed bin Laden posing with Bert from Sesame Street. The word “sophisticated” isn’t the one that comes to mind.
Alphie, that example is NOT a very sophisticated attack. They blocked reinforcements and fired on the air support—I’ve seen preteens carry off more sophisticated tactics than that in wargames. If that level of sophistication is “not often seen” from them, it means most of their attacks are scream-and-leap affairs.
I think anything above the tactical level of “spray and pray” counts as “an unusual degree of sophistication” for these mooks, alphie.
I mean, heavens, they ANTICIPATED a response and prepared a welcome! Gosh!
Don’t get too excited, huh?
I figured that you would have known…
I just got back – from my wife’s house, which is even more fun. I don’t have any congas, but I did turn my guitar amp up to ten last night. Too bad my guitar was down at the Saloon.
Ain’t life grand?
And BTW, do you think that political anger really has anything to do with politics?
Ya know, I don’t know this “Amanda”, so it’s easy to yell at her on the internet.
Thanks, Amanda, (censored).
200 men wearing masks in a mass attack is the same level of sophistication as this:
I guess I need to be more specific:
When have Iraqi insurgents been caught with forged American ID cards, US style uniforms and weapons, in a carefully planned infiltration mission?
They spoke English and had American weapons and uniforms?
Doesn’t seem all that sophisticated.
Sad to see the U.S. Army getting dragged into politics once again.
Yeah, that stuff is a dime a dozen among Iraqi insurgents.
Fool.
alphie:
Oh, the irony.
Really. So you speak Farsi, alphie?
Can you identify any American uniform? What caliber is an M-4 rifle?
So. More sophisticated than you, then?
Then it should be easy for you to…..
LOOK OUT!
For the Geraniums to seek to hide behind diplomatic niceties after what they did to the Embassy of the United States whilst its occuoants were accredited to their state and under its protection would beggar beklief if it weren’t so prdictable.
Dan of course is correct, there was no consular status for either the building or the Geraniums.
alphie you are bad enough when you speak of what you know. When you aspire to comment on military matters you embarrass yourself.
The simple tactic which you regard as sophisticated is called a ‘come on’ and it is about as sophisticated as Gerry Adams’ beard.
I suggest you join timmy in fuck-off land. Why don’t you go and help Amanda groom Edwards for the Presidency?
I think you guys need to get together and figure out your line here.
If the insurgency is so unsophisticated, why haven’t we beaten it yet after spending over $500 billion?
Face it, we gun down peasants while the pros take out our troops. That’s the way it’s been for four years.
Blaming a “suddenly sophisticated” insurgency on Iranian influence smells of desperation…the real insurgency has always been sophisticated.
Mmmmmmm, anyone else smell hot dogs?
Alphie,
Fuck you.
I have run out of adjectives and will, alphie awesome density has plowed me under.
…just when alphie can’t get any dumber, he presumes war is merely a matter of spending enough money.
Then he shows what a slimy little man he is with:
Usually, the appropriate response to this sort of slander is to tell the offender to go fuck himself. Alas, knowing what you are, you might enjoy it and you might fission into yet another slimy weaselly little troll.
http://www.81x.com/Authors/Lord_Malyss/SouthParkTVGN-SFCM.jpg
If anyone knows how to show off my leet photoshop skilz in the blog proper without the link, let me know.
Enjoy Alphie.. you asshat.
Slander?
Armed peasants make you happier?
I didn’t mean we’re gunning down civilians.
This is not for alphie, who is too stupid to understand it, but for anyone else even slightly tempted to think he might have some small part of a tiny point in his ‘argument’:
The only reason the ‘insurgents’ have managed to kill 3000 American troops is that they cheat. They blatantly violate the Geneva Convention all of the time in multiple ways.
I’ve asked this before on various sites, and never received an answer: how many U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq by enemies who were not violating the G.C. in any way, that is, enemies who were (1) wearing uniforms or distinctive insignia “recognizable at a distance” (GC), (2) carrying weapons openly, (3) reporting to a fixed command structure, and (4) not hiding behind civilians nor targeting them? My guess is that we have lost a few dozen troops to actual legal combatants, as defined by the Geneva Conventions, all in the first week or two. The rest died because our enemies are terrorist asshole thugs.
It’s easy to run up casualties against a professional army if you act like terrorists and they don’t reciprocate. I’m out of shape, asthmatic, and 53, but I’d fight Mike Tyson if you tied one of his hands behind his back and let me take a chainsaw and a loaded revolver into the ring. Also if you paid me a million or two, of course, since I wouldn’t really want to face him even with those advantages. But I sure could do some damage with such unfair advantages.
alphie claimed:
Bullshit.
Dr Weevil nails the issue right there.
Not a lot more to be said, unless alphie would care to respond. Respond to the questions asked, not to some buzzing noise in his neanderthal cranium.
Ignoring the humor in someone from the right siting the Geneva Conventions…
I’ll just note that the bad guys have also taken out over 6000 of the Iraqi troops we’ve been training for four years now.
If we’d wanted the bad guys to follow the Geneva Conventions, maybe we should have followed them ourselves.
Well, duh, Einstein. Our Iraqi allies also wear uniforms, which makes them a lot easier to target, especially when you’re not wearing any. Did you even read to the end of my comment?
I’m telling you, the boy is a black hole of stupid. If you get caught in his orbit you just go ‘round and ‘round and are perilously close to getting sucked into the abyss.
Why is this ‘tard still here?
By the way, alphie, I didn’t “site” anything. I mentioned “various sites” on the web and I cited the Geneva Convention, but that’s not the same thing, is it?
As for violating the Geneva Convention, a few American troops have done that, but they’re mostly in the brig now or headed there soon. The fact is that the U.S. does, with occasional unfortunate exceptions, comply with the G.C., and the ‘insurgents’ don’t even pretend to. Yet somehow that doesn’t bother anyone on the left. To judge by the media reaction, putting panties on a prisoner’s head is worse than sawing off said head slowly while videotaping his screams.
Got anything else stupid to say, alphie? Perhaps you could go back to trashing Vercingetorix and pretending you’ve read Caesar.
LOL…I admire you guys and your patience. But alphie IS monkyboy stupid. It is absolutely useless to address the little guy/gal. alphie, one thing, if we (and I mean MY country’s military men/women, obviously not yours) really were ignoring the GC, Iraq would be a smoldering mess (no amount of your dumbshit protestations will change the reality) and there would be so many more of those peasants dead in the streets. God damn, you’re a fucking fool. Not only are you a classic useful idiot, but you’re also a classic shit for brains. A terrible combination you got going on there, alphie. Yeah, we’re just as bad as the shitheads who target the innocent and who in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM fight adhering to the GC. Why, oh why, are there vermin like you on this spinning ball of rock?
A losing four-year war and a lost election and you’re calling me stupid?
Open a book once in a while guys, you’re shtick is getting old.
Too fucking stupid to address my arguments, apparently.
Most of us think that an enemy so vicious and depraved as to (e.g.) fire mortars at girls’ schools and markets crowded with civilians, or to try to slaughter thousands of pilgrims at a religious festival, must be defeated, no matter how difficult the task. And it will be difficult because, as already noted, they don’t wear uniforms, don’t carry weapons openly, and so on. What makes them so hard to defeat is exactly what makes it necessary to defeat them. Is that really so hard to understand? I feel like I’m trying to teach an orangutan Latin. Let’s go over deponents one more time, shall we alphie?
At least alphie seems to truly believe we are losing the war, as opposed to that great humanitarian timmy, who admits we will win in time but thinks we should pull out anyway.
And by humanitarian I mean amoral racist fuckwit.
<blockheadquote>Open a book once in a while guys, you’re shtick is getting old.</blockheadquote>
People who pretend to be intellectually superior should probably pay special attention to their own intellectual bonafides – including basic English grammar.
Alphie – YOUR “shtick” is getting old.
YOU’RE making an ass of yourself.
You will notice, without surprise but with I suppose some resignation, that alphie has not addressed or answered or attempted to answer a single one of Dr Weevil’s points.
Instead he has advised us that we are all stupid and that it is droll to see “the right” ‘siting’ (sic) the Geneva Conventions.
He really is a waste of oxygen that could be better employed combining with hydrogen to make something potable.
Answer the questions, alphie, or fuck off.
I don’t see any questions being posed by Dr Weevil, just a recitation of right-wing fantasies.
America hasn’t violated the Geneva Conventions, every Iraqi we kill is one step closer to victory, etc.
I think it’s safe to assume that Iraq will never quiet down until we’ve pulled out, everything else is just politics.
alphie’s list of “right-wing fantasies” that I have supposedly recited is simply a lie. Does he think we don’t notice? Go back and read my comments, alphie, compare them with what you just wrote, and then come back and apologize here. We’ll wait.
You guys do know you’re arguing with a 5 year old, right?
It’s best, when dealing with a simian of this sort, to observe from a removed position, and just enjoy the beast for it’s persistance in inpenaterable ignorance.
If you try and interact with the monky, you will only exite it, and frusterate yourself.
His only desire, regardless of what he is screeching, is to lure you into doing the monkydance with him.
I changed my mind. alphie is a genius.
You will not find a more succint statement of the current conventional wisdom anywhere. Bravo, alphie!
Of course it’s based on the premises that the reason Iraq isn’t “quiet” is because (1) we’re there, and (2) the Noble Defenders of the Iraqi Way are outraged by our behavior(s). Since both of those are lies, the conclusion reached will be faulty despite the accuracy of the reasoning process.
And of course he’s correct: Iraq will be “quiet” if we leave—meaning that the Noble Press will no longer pay it any attention, as it will be irrelevant to getting Democrats elected. alphie won’t be bothered by the news from there, because there won’t be any. Of course the number of killed, raped, tortured, and maimed will go up exponentially, but that doesn’t matter a bit—alphie won’t be disturbed in his slumber; it will be “quiet”. (See: Kosovo) Just like it was “quiet” before, when CNN was teamed up with Saddam to “protect access”. I wonder if they kept the tapes?
Regards,
Ric
These things with the helpful numbers in front, alphie, these are what we in English call “questions”.
OK? With me so far?
Now answer some of them or fuck off, you turd-burgling toilet-loiterer.
That looks like a question asked and answered to me, furris.
I don’t believe the insurgents have their own uniforms.
I agree that our troops could easily take them out if they were dumb enough to parade around out in the open wearing uniforms and waving their weapons.
But what of it?
What of it?
It makes a nonsense of everything you’ve posted on the subject.
So I suppose you have the virtue of consistency.
Maybe you could point out the inconsistencies in my posts for me, furris?
I can’t spot them.
Not many people can play basketball as well as Michael Jordan.
The same goes for soldiers, most are just average…I don’t think we’re taking out the talented insurgents.
It would be quicker for me to point out the consistencies, but I suggest you get michelle to go over your stuff with you, its more her level of attainment.
I don’t think that you have sufficient knowledge of soldiering to comment on the skills of the allied forces in Iraq, many of whom are very far from average by any measurement, or on the professionalism of the insurgents.
But run your Resume past me and I may change my mind.
I’m always happy to debate logically, furris.
I can’t read minds, though.
You can’t read posts, either, in my experience. And you have certainly never been guilty of debating logically on this site, whether it would make you happy to do so or not.
What is your military experience, by the way?
Just because I don’t subscribe to the myths and fantasies of the right doesn’t make me illogical, furris.
As for my military experience, I could say anything, couldn’t I?
Neither of those assertions is logical, alphie. Say whatever you wish. It will be judged on its merits.
alphie dodged with:
No, you have your own slanders, myths and fantasies.
Well, in fairly basic military terms, that’s the sort of ‘dodge’ that would see him splattered all over the nearest wall.
quod erat, in a perfect world, demonstrandum.
No one’s asking poor alphie to read minds, just to read the Geneva Conventions, or at least check them out on Wikipedia.
The poor chump doesn’t seem to realize that they don’t demand full uniforms, which can indeed be expensive. Of course, Iran could easily supply uniforms to the insurgents, and they would be a lot cheaper than sophisticated tank-penetrating IEDs. However, that’s not the point.
What the Third Geneva Convention demands is that legal combatants “have a fixed distinctive sign (such as an insignia, uniform or other marking) … recognizable at a distance”. Try Googling some of those words, or just look up ‘Geneva Convention’ on Wikipedia and follow the links.
As I’ve noted before when arguing this point, the Crips and the Bloods have figured out how to distinguish themselves from the general non-gang population, why can’t the Iraqi insurgents? They could easily come up with some distinctive color or style of clothing that would mark them out as legal combatants, but they don’t want to, because it would make it much more difficult for them to kill and to avoid being killed. In short, they’re thugs who violate civilized norms with impunity, safe in the knowledge that fools like alphie will defend them.
Alphie: forget about all the Geneva Convention stuff, none of which you have chosen to address in any logical or rational fashion.
Please, if you will, answer two questions for me:
1) What is your opinion of the Balloon Fence Missile Sheildâ„¢?
2) What is your opinion of the Mile High Dirt Bermâ„¢?
I’ve asked for your opinion several times before but you have chosen to ignore the questions. That’s just rude and insensitive. Would you please address these questions as I am anxious to hear your opinion in these matters.
G’Day!
Dr. Weevil—it appears alphie believes the jihadis to be “sophisticated” precisely because they ignore the GC requirements.
How he can turn around and bitch about the US “violating” them is a mystery. He doesn’t appear to realize that the GCs explicitly state that you’re still entitled to their protection if you punish those in your forces who violate them.
“Sophisticated” in its original sense of adulterated or impure. Hmm.
No, don’t think that was what alphie had in what for the time being I will call his ‘mind’.
No it isn’t. He’s on the other side.
I think that’s Maypo.