The headline of this story is “Official Says Fla. Execution Was Botched.” Well, excuse me, but no, no it wasn’t. Is the creep dead? I rest my case. Since the liberal weenies and 60’s airheads took over all of our cultural institutions, including, most damagingly, the courts, we have increasingly wandered into the land of caterpillars and hookahs. The current obsession with making sure that executions are completely smooth and painless is but the latest example of the group insanity that afflicts the Left in this country. If I’m not mistaken, “execution” is the operative word, here. Hellooooo??? The state is in the process of killing him. Do I have to point out that whether there’s a little pain involved is the least of the guy’s worries? His attorney, Suzanne Myers Keffler, has this to say:
“This is complete negligence on the part of the state. When he was still moving after the first shot of chemicals, they should have known there was a problem and they shouldn’t have continued. This shows a complete disregard for Mr. Diaz. This is disgusting.”
I’ll give her that. When he was still moving after the first shot of chemicals, they should have known there was a problem. And tried a little harder. I don’t recall any concern from Ms. Keffler about the pain and suffering that “Mr. Diaz” inflicted on the innocent bar manager he murdered in the course of an armed robbery.
And please, don’t give me any B.S. about how we shouldn’t descend to the murderer’s level. As far as I’m concerned, not only do we need to get rid of the endless appeals that drag these cases out for twenty years or more, we need to have the executions in public. For those who claim that the death penalty isn’t a deterrent, trust me, if the sentences were carried out swiftly and publicly it sure as hell would be a deterrent.
Unfortunately, I’m not likely to get my wish for the return of drawing and quartering, but public hanging would be a good start.
Blindfold?
Cigarette?
*bang
I have not made my mind up yet on the capital punishment issue yet. However, looking at it from a financial POV, I wonder if it might be more responsible to execute more murderers, even rapists and child predetors……..I was looking at the statistics for rapist and child predetors and they re-offend at an alarming rate. It makes me think that rehabilitation does not work. I also feel it is not fair to ask the tax payer to foot the bill for life in prison.
Saying the execution was botched certainly is making the perfect the enemy of the good. how about it wasn’t flawless, well try better the next time, and the next time, and…
Was any of this in any way cruel or unusual? Well it sure isn’t unusual, extravasation of IV fluids is not a preffered outcome but it happens often enough to be considered a recognized risk of such procedures. Are we to stop all venous infusions because sometimes there’s a problem? Can medical personnel be sued for infliction of cruelty when someone blows a vein?
But hey, I thought Old Sparky was just fine.
My favorite part of lethal injections is where they swab the guy’s arm with alcohol prior to inserting the needle.
“we need to have the executions in public.”
Preferably with HD tv macro focus on the sword
as it slices cleanly (and humanely) through artery and bone while minimizing the crimson spray, and maximizing prurient curiousity. It could replace NASCAR (Neanderthals Awaiting Suspenseful Crashes At Random) as the media event which captivates the lowest common denominator.
No wonder the Islamofascists don’t like satellite TV,
No, that’s “Desperate Housewives.”
Too subtle for you, eh Mac?
I’ve got a chainsaw that’s more subtle than that.
john, the problem with executing rapists and child predators is that it encourages then to kill their victims—if they’re getting executed either way, might as well get rid of the witnesses.
How does a life sentence change that?
Or letting them commit the crime again?
I guess that begs the question “would you prefer one dead child or two…….or three…….or four?” But again I am a glass half-full kinda guy.
As a parent I can say with no hesitation that I would support the death penalty if someone hurt my child in that way. But thats the emotion talkin’……
Seems to me this is not just predictable, but obvious. After the success of declaring hanging to betoo cruel (along with the chair, firing squad, etc.), this is as natural as F following E.
I’m all for pay-per-view hangings, with all proceeds going to the corrections dept.
As for child predators, casteration for a first offense, (maybe scalping for the females), hanging for the second.
I can’t buy into the idea that execution would cause more murders of molested children. If anything, I think there would be a much stronger deterance, especially if executions were more timely and certain. The really bad ones, that kill their victims anyway, wouldn’t be affected, but the ones that shy from murdering might be better motivated to abstain altogether.
Oh, good, semanticleo has dropped in. We needed a good, sharp dose of self-congratulatory sanctimonious drivel.
Semi-ant and allies aren’t opposed to capital punishment. They enable and promote it, so long as it’s decreed and executed by the likes of Mr. (!) Diaz; the messier and crueler the better.
Angel Diaz and buddy decided to rob a bar. When the manager, one Joseph Nagy, declined to cooperate, Diaz shot him. What semanticleo is concealing under the finicky elitism is concern that others might overgeneralize. What if people decided to apply the principle to others coming to take there stuff at gunpoint, such as—to take a wild example—the IRS? Semi-ant and friends might find themselves short of the wherewithal to impose their social programs on people who don’t care for the idea. Death to scofflaws and resisters like Joseph Nagy!
Regards,
Ric
Drawing and quartering is the sentence for treason.
Goodness, so many are qualified!
Unless its done by him:
I’d say thats all he has left to worry about.
<plays world’s smallest violin>
Translation- I’d say that’s all THE LEFT has to worry about.
Blindfold?
Cigarette?
“No thanks; I’m on the patch.”
John —
No, that isn’t “overgeneralization”. That’s bigoted stereotyping. There’s a semantic (heh) difference.
Regards,
Ric
I dont think the concept of humaneness was that ideological. But hey, its the internets!
It’s a matter of emphasis, actus. We prefer to be humane to the victim rather than the perpetrator.
Regards,
Ric
Given the number of deathrow conversion perhaps he just might possibly be focused on the fate of his everlasting soul? Because it’s pretty damn clear to him that any corporal pain is, strictly speaking, finite.
We stand corrected.
I think lethal injection was introduced to replace Old Sparky after that malfunctioning piece of US technology blacked out half the East Coast each time the Sunset State tried to off one of its prisoners.
Any of you who are still feeling smug about your advanced civilisation, go back and read the LGF thread on the disgusting savagery of the Saudi decapitation system against the ‘humane’ US version and then get down on your knees and pray to Christ Jesus for forgiveness.
Right. Its just that some see the humaneness in justice, not in sadism.
Progressive weenie: “Capital punishment is not a deterrent.”
Me: “I guarantee you: it cuts down on repeat offenders.”
Botched? How? He is dead.
We’re quibbling over efficiency, not the outcome. This is, after all, a government job.
So, we’re against the Taliban trying people and shooting them in sports arenas, but for it when we do it. In fact, salient point Mullah Omar and his cronies started their initial campaign of with a bang when they followed the advice of this thread and killed a local muhajadin commander who had molested children.
That hyperbole aside, I was reading last night of the Mongol sack of Baghdad. See, you guys need to channel a little more of inner Genghis Khan. The Mongols made people swallow stones until they choked and died. They sewed women in carpets and threw them in the river. The put the Caliph of Baghdad and his sons in large bags and then had a banquet tablets placed on the bag. They had a wonderful meal and suffocated their prisoners at the same time! Or, maybe, Florida could adopt the punishment served to one rebellious Syrian prince: they made him each pieces of his own flesh until he died from blood loss.
Sadly for the Mongols, they lost their Empire with in a hundred years despite the deterrence of feeding a guy to himself. Maybe deterrence is not really effective?
Reminds me to go watch Spartacus. Stringing people up on the Appian Way sure prevented slave revolts….oh, no it didn’t
Well, I say kill people anyway. The rest of us will feel better
Regards
Somoene awhile ago captured <href=”http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6567103″>a model for us to follow</a>.
I vote that we release some of Death Row into timmyB’s custody. After all, it’s not like they were convicted of heinous felonies. We’re just like the Taliban.
John Wayne Gacy calls dibs on the couch.
oops. Link fixed
Excellent work, Techie,
the truth of any debate on capital punbishment is that people who oppose capital punishment are for throwing open the prison doors and letting all the criminals out. That’s an excellent summation. It’s ridiculous, but it’s
Are you planning on subbing for Hannity over his Christmas vacation. With that sort of “logic”, you could syndicated in weeks.
No, but I object to the “We execute killers, thus we’re like the Taliban” line of thought. The initial post was obviously going for exaggeration in imagery. I mean, seriously, I don’t think anyone here really want primetime reenactments of Braveheart.
However, someone feeling a burning sensation during a lethal injection is not a cause for panic for me. I’ve had volunteers miss my vein when I donate blood. Yeah, it’s uncomfortable. But at that point, comfort is not exactly high on the list of priorities I feel that people would be having.
Personally, I think that criminals should be executed in the manner that they killed there victems in. But that would be truly cruel and unusual in many cases.
So, no. I don’t think the counterarguement to capital punishment is “open the doors up”, but I also don’t think that executing killers makes us the Taliban.
“Thank god for the death penalty. Without it we couldn’t control this place.”
Warden, Stateville penetentary, Joliet, Illinois.
To campare the wests execution of it’s condemned prisoners to the Taliban is just dumb.
Then why the ‘he’s dead, good enough’ bullshit? internet bravado? We’re not sick like the taliban, because we don’t execute people the way internet commenters joke (really a joke?) they want it done.
Any moral equivalency you find between saupporting capital punishment and the Taliban is just your brain working through logic. They’re barbarians for the way they kill people vs we’re civilized for the way we kill people.
Moral equivilency isn’t logical. No. Dumbass,they’re barbarians because they have a barbaric culture.Their culture is based on barbarity. See the difference. Execution of a criminal for a capitol offence by the state isn’t necessarily barbaric unless you do it for god and use stones in a public place.
Hosabout this for civility, timmy boy. The us never puts another waste of the human genome(Gacey) to death. The US abolishes the death penalty. However. Should that person so condemned ever gets loose and kills again, You get to do his time as well, since you vouched for him/her/it. That’s ‘fair isn’t it? That’s civilized.
The death penalty, they way the state does it, has one thing going for it. People like Gacey et al will never kill another person, ever.
Didn’t Johnny Carson refer to a dimwit as a “timmy?”
Any moral equivalency you find between saupporting capital punishment and the Taliban is just your brain working through logic. They’re barbarians for the way they kill people vs we’re civilized for the way we kill people.
Rusty, the Taliban had a court system. It was hopelessly theistic and involed tons of cultural and legal concepts that you and I found offensive. They condemend them.
Oh, and the “west” doesn’t execute people, just the United States. Most Western countries find our execution policies disgusting.
These are the same european western countries that sent millions to their deaths in WWI and WWII? They are disgusted with us, for executing the most heinous of criminals?
Wow, I’m moved…
Naaa, they’re pathetic, needing their pretence of morality, lest they find it impossible to gaze in a mirror.
People that abandon Gods morality are apt to deify their own. That’s how we get people that vigorously defend abortion, murder of innocence, and, at the same time, are overcome with angst over the execution of a mass murderer.
It’s all very strange.
lee, how do you know you speak for God. The Vatican rejects capital punishment and they say they speak for God. I am very confused over who knows the mind of God. Seems a believer would follow his son’s advice and pound the swords into plows, but that’s all I remember from the words of His Son. Something about being nice…
I’ll leave it to the experts to debate whether God wants us to kill. The Muslims sure thinks he does.
Here is a very interesting blog, written by a Saudi Man living in the UK. This is an archive page, with a piece on Saudi executions. Just scroll down.
timmy,
I’m not presuming to speak for God. I was pointing out that the other western nations have have little moral authority for you to point to. Sorry I wasn’t clear.
Seems someone ignorant (self-confessed) of what a believer understands should advoid giving advice on what wisdom they should follow.
The Son did, after all, make a whip and with it drove the merchents and money changers from the temple.
Jesus wasn’t all turn the other cheek.
Those, like timmy, who toss out out of context Jesus affirmations like cigarette butts flicked from a passing car should understand that the Jesus of the New Testament spent every bit as much time speaking about judgment as he did about mercy.
In other words, there is a time and place for both.
Also, I can’t help but remember a head shaking interview with a NOW leader who said that Jesus would have been pro-choice because he “valued women in the bible.”
Wheee! I’m spinning…