I don’t think Ms. Phillips will be too upset if I transcribe one of her recent weblog entries in its entirety. Maddie Bunting has to go.
Sir Harold Evans, the legendary former editor of the Sunday Times, recorded a telling incident – indeed, it was actually quite astounding – in a speech he gave recently to the Hudson Institute, as reported here by the New York Sun:
When I spoke at the Hay-on-Wye literary festival a couple of years back and criticized newspapers that headlined suicide bombers as martyrs, I was told by two angry leading intellectuals that I had lived too long in America. Something similar happened at this year’s Hay-on-Wye festival, sponsored by the Guardian, where a five-person panel discussed ‘Are there are any limits to free speech?’ One of the Muslim panelists said if anyone offended his religion, he would strike him. A lawyer, Anthony Julius, responded that Jews had lived as minorities under two powerful hegemonies, Christian and Muslim, and had been obliged to learn how to deal nonviolently with offense caused to them by the sacred scriptures of both. He started by referring to an anti-Semitic passage in the New Testament  which passed without comment. But when he began to list the passages in the Koran that denigrate Jews, describing them as monkeys and pigs, the panelists went ballistic. One of them, Madeline Bunting of the Guardian, put her hand over the microphone and said words to the effect, ‘I am not going to sit here and listen to any criticisms of Muslims.’ She was cheered, and not one of the journalists in the audience from right or left uttered a word about free speech  not hate speech, mind you, but free speech of a moderate nature.
…The free pass is extraordinary in light of the deaths in Britain, the conviction last week of a man plotting to blow up the London subways, and the public warning last week by the head of British intelligence, who traditionally remains anonymous, that 30 more plots were in the offing. These are the topics that should be worrying the press and broadcast organizations  that for all their brilliant staffers, resources, and reputation for authenticity, they can be fooled, and it is left to investigative web sites to shout foul. In the Lebanon war this past summer, celebrated newspapers and television stations worldwide carried pictures showing that Israel had targeted two International Red Cross ambulances  a fabrication of Hezbollah that investigative Web sites ultimately exposed.
At least one newspaperman grasps that, rather than fulfilling its historic mission to tell truth to power, the media now uses its enormous power to silence the truth.
The ‘free pass’ has to end. If anyone has any balls in this kind of situation, they will say, ‘I’m not going to sit here and hear anything against Western liberalism,’ and put his hand over the mic and see how it’s taken. As we say in Wisconsin, fuck ‘em, Bucky.
Bye, baby bunting,
Father’s gone a-hunting,
Mother’s gone a-milking,
Sister’s gone a-silking,
Brother’s gone to buy a skin
To wrap the baby bunting in.
One of them, Madeline Bunting of the Guardian, put her hand over the microphone and said words to the effect, ‘I am not going to sit here and listen to any criticisms of Muslims.’
May this bitch be gang-raped by a group of Muslim men….
Well,
It’s a little different when America and Britain are currently occupying two Muslim countries.
A little extra sensitivity goes a long way in these situations…or would have, at least.
Too late now.
equals this
This stuff gives me nosebleeds. And, monky, how about you take your sensitivity and shove it up your stupid, collaborating ass?
When we invade a country (especially a wealthy one like Iraq) we have to at least make an effort to sell the people on the idea that we’re there only for their benefit, wishbone.
The people yelling Islamofascists all the time are spoiling the game…
Yeah, I didn’t get that either wishbone.
I guess when one reads the koran, one must read with an approving attitude, or else it is OFFENSIVE!!
Oh, and monkyboy is just too ridiculous for consideration. I advise treating him like a fart in church, just try and not acknowledge it.
Come on, lee.
Don’t you guys feel a tiny bit responsible for the plummeting support for the occupation of Iraq here in America?
And Iraq itself?
Ok, Monkey-boy, what does all that have to do with the subject at hand? What in the name of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named does our being in Iraq & Afghanistan have to do with anti-semitic passeges in the pig-fucking Koran? Did Bush use an ancient Babylonian time-travel machine disguised as a gods-dammed ziggurat to slip those into the pre-press layout? Do you realize just what a microcephalic wanker you’re making yourself look like here? You can’t make anything remotely resembling a logical arguement, so you blather that we should be more considerate of Muslim Judenhass because we’ve occupied two Muslim countries? What in the nine flaming hells have you been smoking? Lead paint chips with asbestos insulated phone cords for a wrapper, perhaps? Try making a point that’s halfway on topic, you goat-feltching fucktard.
The Koran is filled with idiotic bile. And so it also is with the Book of Mormon, Bible, Scientology tracts, and there’s even inherent sexism in the teachings of Buddha.
History has had a lot of moronic attacks based on or against the divinely- (or in the case of Scientology, financially-) inspired holy books. But right now, the worst crap is coming from the Koran and its supposed followers (Darfur, anyone?)
Monkyboy, I agree with you about a bit now and then, but chill. In this case you are defending the indefensible. Islam needs some criticism if we are to have any chance of peaceful coexistence with the Muslim world. Keep complaining about the Iraq occupation until your fingers get all knobby and arthritic-looking, but know that not all the Muslim world’s opinions of the West derive from George W. Bush, Israel’s kicking Arab ass in ‘48 and ‘68, and anger over Van Gogh.
Lord Worfin,
“Goat-felching fucktard” is by far the most horrific and amusing three words I have seen in some time. Please refrain from all restraint in the future, as the imaginativeness of the average insult has been on the wane in recent years.
With great sincerity,
me
Are we pretending that America and our allies aren’t currently occupying large chunks of the Muslim world, labeling anyone who opposes us “terrorists” and then gunning them down along with quite a few civlians?
Hehe, that might have a little something more to do with their behavior than a few lines randomly selected from their book.
If anyone says anything bad about free speech, kick the crap out of him.
Oh, and by the way, the Muslims think we are occupying Muslim countries (which we call the U.S. and the U.K.).
hehe
The balloon fence missile shield boy is off topic and without a clue.
Muslims were overly sensative to criticsm before we occupied those 2 countries. They don’t get a pass now. In fact, they deparately need to hear this stuff. Muslims have become the equivalent of the 6 year old who sticks her fingers in her ears and chants “la la la la la la.” The Christian church was opperating in a similar autocratic way until Luther nailed his theses to the cathedral door. His students were reponsible for copying and spreading the “heresy” which was the beginning of real change and reform.
Muslims need to hear real questions and criticism of their faith without blanket condemnation or naked threats of violence. Madeline Bunting and the rest of those clueless dhimmis need to understand the situation. It is for Muslims to defend their religion’s complicity in the horrific violence that is perpetuated in its name.
As another commentator once said; if a so called moderate muslim says “I’m against terrorism but…” then they abdicate the term moderate. Like all religions, shining the light of embarrassment and secular legal morality on horrific acts done in its name is most always a good thing.
No, dear. You’re pretending that we’re doing that. Why don’t you just sit down and have a nice pudding cup? Mommy will be along with your Ritalin shortly.
Meanwhile, if you were right, the world would be a considerably nicer place, if only for just one reason.
tw: theres99, at least. Maybe more.
And you seem to find these killings amusing, judging by your little “hehe” in your post. (And, no, no matter how many times you hear the words “Little, hehe!” from the streetwalkers you frequent, I didn’t mean that as a euphemism…) How informative. Now, kindly explane to the class just why the Muslims have been those amongnst their numbers who acted like blood-thirsty lunatics before we set foot in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, why were they condoning such behaviors 1300-and-some-odd (Some very odd!) years before the US even came into existance? Here’s a hint for you, ChaCha: If they’d deal with their blood-thirsty lunatics themselves, we’d be more than happy to going back to ignoring them. Instead, they point them our way, which we don’t much care for. Ever louder screeching & feces-flinging on your part is not going to change that.
Jon,
Thanks. I aspire to one day match the polite verbal vitriol of Lawdog, but I still find myself falling back on language that I wouldn’t use in front of my great-aunt. Even if I did learn part of the phrase from her. I use this screen-name specificaly for spanking the Monkeyboy. Pity that it’s about as productive as it sounds. And much less fun.
Muslims need to hear real questions and criticism…
Where are the “real questions and criticism” in Dan’s post, BJ?
He just seems to be repeating the vague, third-hand memories some guy has about a meeting in England that took place quite a while ago. We don’t know the context or whether it’s even true.
Can you give me a sample of the questions and criticism you would address to a Msulim in an attempt to change something about them for the better?
I’ve never heard the account of someone who was a witness to an incident described as a vague, third-hand memory before (John Kerry’s memories of Christmas in Cambodia, which were outright fabrications, notwithstanding). The fact that Sir Harold names Anthony Julius and Maddie Bunting in this particular episode, which would have been witnessed by a relatively large number of people in a place which he names, all of which is checkable, argues that it did indeed take place. But monky, not having been there, and finding it offensive to his ideological preconceptions, chooses to challenge this recounting on the basis of what? Nothing.
It is one thing to be disingenuous and stupid at one’s own expense; it is quite another thing to attempt to be so at someone else’s.
“He started by referring to an anti-Semitic passage in the New Testament  which passed without comment. But when he began to list the passages in the Koran that denigrate Jews, describing them as monkeys and pigs, the panelists went ballistic.”
There you are. It’s OK to point out objectionable passages in the New Testament, but not the ones in the Koran. That’s “real” criticism, and apparently it’s out of bounds.
Actually, the people who need to do the explaining are the ones who are ok with sticking knives in film directors for criticising Islam and killing old nuns and school children in response to what the Pope said and killing people for being Jewish. And thats just the start of it.
What part of that don’t you get monkyboy?
We don’t seem to have a very detailed description of the biblical passage that was read, do we? A simple reference that it was “anti-Semitic.”
We also don’t have a very good description of the intent of the panel, the instructions the panelists were given or exactly how the panelists “went ballistic” (Balloon Fence(tm) can stop that, hehe).
Not really sure who this Anthony Julius is…
…is he the kind of guy would follow the rules of a panel or not.
All I could learn about him is:
1. He’s a divorce lawyer.
2. He left his wife and kids for the daughter of a client.
So, I’m inclined to think, based on what evidence I have, this guys isn’t a rule following type of guys…
Don’t know who Bill Clinton is, but he’s:
a) a disbarred lawyer
b) who apparently got his dick sucked by an intern, then
c) lied about it
So I don’t think that the guy’s, you know, credible, even when he says something that’s true.
He doesn’t get that part, SGT Ted, because muslims are the “other” and not real humans who think for temselves and have their own independently derived motivations.
Tha racism and ethnicism of m-bot and the rest of the left is defined by this. Muslims not being real people, if they do something bed, if they say evil things, it cannot have come from their own human failings and motivations. Impossible. Thus the evil acts must be in reaction to an outside actor, the west in general and the United States in particular. They would not commit evil acts if we did not start it – and we always are the one staring it.
So remember, it is the racism and ethnicism of m-bot, actup, and the rest of the left that leads them to these conclusions.
So Bunting and the assembled intellectualoids only wanted to shut down criticism of Islam out of their deep concern for the success of the war effort? Have I got that right?
M-bot, I think you left out the most damning evidence against Mr. Julius, one that condemns him in the eyes of the left. He appears to be a Jew.
I didn’t want you to forget your antisemitism. Might’ve had your official Lefty Moral Superiority card revoked.
No, no need to thank me.
The part I “get” is that there are 1,300,000,000 Muslims in the world, SGT Ted…and maybe 30 of them have attacked us.
It seems a bit of a stretch to condemn all of Islam for the actions of so few…
It would be like judging the whole U.S. military based on the actions of those who took part in the Haditha massacre (Where is that report, btw? Sunday was the one year anniversary of that incident).
Well, balloon missile defense boy, that question has been answered above so I’ll just moveon.org.
1) Why do so many muslims believe that the koran is clear that anyone who leaves your religion should be put to death? Yours is the only major religion in the world that has this particular decree.
2) Why, if you call yourselves moderate, peace loving muslims, do you answer questions about jihadist terrorism by saying, “That’s terrible, but…?” Shouldn’t we, as a liberal secular civilisation agree that suicide terrorism and the delibrate targeting of civilians is irrational and unacceptable in all circumstances?
3) Why do you object to relevant passages of your scripture being read that denigrate Jews, Christians and other unbelievers as being insulting or blasphemous? Isn’t it written in your scrpture?
4) Why are there not more moderate muslims publically condemning acts of violence and assasination against those peiople or countries that radicals decree have “insulted” Islam? Have you given tacit support to these acts or are you just afraid for your lives?
5) Why do muslims continue to play the victimization card by blamimg terrorism on “foreign policy” or “occupying troops” when you know full well that it is a religious imperative developed over centuries of radical Islamic “scholarship” seeking to oust apostate muslim leaders and untimately defeat Western Civilization for the purpose of converting the world to 7th century Islam?
6) Why are muslim citizens so taken with “apocalyptic novels”, making them the single largest selling category in muslim nations? Would you not agree that it is of a concern to the west that virtually all of these over heated screeds condemn Jews and Christians with the vilest, most hysterical language that can be printed?
7) Why must the west endure a drumbeat of loud, violent criticism of both our way of life and our religions but be contrained in our dialogue by muslim stated sensabilities?
8) Do you agree or disagree with bin laden and zarqawi when they stated that democracy is “incompatible” with Islam? If you disagree, then why are there no true democracies in the middle east and why have muslims virtually no historical experience with democratically elected governments?
9) Why do muslims, who do have a rich history of science and literature, continue to support madrassa schools, which are little more than mind conditioning centers for radical jihadists?
OK, there’s more where that came from balloon fence boy. Read above and try to absorb the idea of making a complete intellectual argument rather than just throwing our one sentence unsupported thoughts or changing the subject by asking an unrelated question.
I’ll link any or attribute any statement above if you’re really interested, but I doubt you’ll bother.
“Maybe 30”?
You really do live in a fantasy world.
Seems like a lot of a stretch to characterize what he’s saying that way.
What, on 9/11? Theo van Gogh, was he us? Lebanon barracks? Achille Lauro? First WTC attempt? Cole? Mogadishu? Priest and nun killings, us or not us? Madrid? London? Lockerbie? Munich?
My, those thirty guys really get around, don’t they? But, hey, when it’s in the service of your rhetoric, the truth is sometimes better served by lies, right?
If you think that there are only 30 Muslims that are pissed off with the west, you need to up your medication monkyboy. There are several Islamic nations who are bent on worldwide Caliphate and several of them are actively seeking nuclear weapons, the formost of which is led by a messianic Islamic radical who almost daily threatens to destroy Israel.
I guess thats the part you don’t get yet Monky.
Dan:
That argument will go right through him and not even leave a mark. Balloon missile fence guy sees everything in direct absolutes. He’ll ignore the thousands of terrorists that trained in Afganistan and Iraq and Iran and Syria, all of whom accepted as gospel anti American, anti Israel sermons that justify the rightiousness of their path. He can’t be bothered to expand his little pea brain past the fact that we spend way too much money on these “few dozen criminals” when children are dying in Africa.
It is an exercise in intellectual futility.
Bali. Lackawanna Six. Millennium bomb plot. Disco bombing in Germany that preceded Lockerbie. Sirhan Sirhan. An airport shot up during the Christmas travel rush. Khobar towers.
Beslan. Kenya and Tanzania embassies. India’s Parliament. Lebanese Christians. Darfur.
East Timor. John Paul II assassination attempt. 6 wars against Israel. Moscow theatre.
Those are 30 very busy people.
I predict a subject change soon.
Dear Santa
Can you put monky into the cell next to Hamza nee Johnny Walker Lindh in Victorville?
thanks
Dar
Actually, monkyspunk, we (meaning the Imperial American Empire) were attacked by at least seventy-three hundred Islamofascists.
The only appropriate response is to protect the Empire, monkyspunk.
because monkyspunk, we’re good at it and because the Empire needs protecting.
Along with the oil, monkyspunk.
So monky, spunk, how about you move out of MY country.
Hehe.
That’s be pretty sweet(tm).
hehe.
7/11 bombings in India.
Heck, the problem isn’t a lack of examples, it’s the fallibility of memory.
Or he’ll abandon the thread.
Goat-felching fucktard is quality abuse. After a quick read through his contributions over the last few weeks, I would say that monkyboy has all the allure of a syphilitic leper’s stump.
It’s too bad Clinton allowed the Cole to happen, monkyspunk. And Maddy Albright.
hehe.
We need an underwater Balloon Fence(tm).
hehe.
Because the Democrat Congress failed us when they did all the anti-American stuff they did. They’re basically communists.
GWB is a great American Hero. Pretty sweet.
Underwater Balloon Fence(tm).
BUNGEE CORD NET!
It would bounce the exploding bombers right back to shore!!1!
hehe
DooD! That’s be like so sweet. That would be pretty sweet(tm), monkyboy, don’t you think…
Too bad Clinton got us into this mess…
Good thing for Lucianne.com, shining the truth!
hehe.
The Democrats are Communists and will fail in the new world order.
Pretty sweet.
I still don’t get why ‘tards like monkyboy are tolerated. The ignorance and laziness roll off his posts like the scent of Funyuns from a fat geek; he adds nothing to any discussion, and apparently cannot learn.
Look at his idiotic ideas for defeating rocket attacks from Gaza—not only are they impractical, but the very idea should remind anyone with a moderate education about WWII of the Maginot Line and its utter worthlessness. Yet he presumes to lecture others about WWII history?
– Maybe if we crank the asshole stretcher out to maximum extention, we can get monkeys bung hole up over his slopping forehead.
– Sweet.
– Hehe.
Unintentional though it may be, monkybutt brings teh funny. He’s fodder, mostly.
I didn’t realize we were talking worldwide, back in time attacks and attackers.
Even adding all the things listed, seems like pretty small totals compared to Western standards.
Probably not even 1% of WWII in terms of attackers or victims…
Really? Is that because you’re an idiot, or because you’re trying to dodge the fact you had your ass handed to you?
I’m sure that’s a relief to the survivors and relatives.
You don’t get it, do you? There is no acceptable level of terrorism. If someone said “well, only about six blacks got lynched last year; racism’s nothing to worry about”, what would—should the reaction be?
Or “well, only two abortion clinics were bombed, and no one died”?
What do you consider an acceptable level of civilian deaths in Iraq, Robert?
Or are we just seeing deaths caused by Muslims as bad things these days?
monkyspunk, anything that brings about American hegemony is a good thing. monkyspunk, are you a communist sympathizer, monkyspunk?
That wouldn’t be pretty sweet.
Why are you suggesting they aren’t, monkyspunk. monkyspunk, are you a communist, monkyspunk?
America. Love it or leave it. And the Underwater Balloon Fence to protect American vessels from the Clinton Administration.
Not hehe. Albright lied, people died.
Hehe.
OK, let’s see how many innocent civilians are killed by Muslims this month vs. by Westerners.
I’ll start with this. So far, the score is Muslims – 3700, Westerners – 0.
Your turn, monkybutt.
“Monk in a Trunk” – (With appropriate apologies to the late great Theodor Geisel)
– “Say there Mr. Monk, jist how is your day?”
– “You’re looking a bit glum, in a glum sorta way”
– Oh boy, better look out, its that damn Mr. Fox
– With his dayglo umbrella, with his gin on the rocks
– What’s that thing he’s carrying? looks weird and so strange
– All those gears and extenders, those cogs, and those rings
– Better pretend I don’t notice, just ignore, just don’t see
– Got to change the thread subject, distract him, then flee
– “Oh hi Mr. Fox, I was just on My way”
– “No no Mr. Monk, I know a game we can play”
– “Just lay back and relax, take a load off your mind”
– “Then we’ll attach this fun device, to your monkey behind”
– “Whoa wait, Mr. Fox, that thing looks really wicked”
– “I don’t think I like where you seem to want to stick it”
– “Now now Mr. Monk, you won’t feel a damn thing”
– “You’ll see the fun we can have, the joy this can bring”
– “I don’t like these handcuffs, the ropes are too tight”
– “Too late for that now Monk, only hurt’s if you fight”
– “Now let me twist the stretcher, this way and that”
– “Pull your ass over your forehead, the proper monkey hat”
– “Mr Fox, don’t do this, it just isn’t fair
– “We all think Mr Monk, you should wipe your ass with your hair”
– “Oh jeebus Mr. Fox, Please stop, I’ll take a pass”
– “Mr Monk you look perfect, with your simian head up your ass.”</i>
– “Now up you go slowly, into the trunk”
– “no more of that throwing, your monkey-poo spunk”
– “Mr fox, Mr Fox, I promise I’ll be good”
– “Stupid Monk, in the trunk, biggest ass in the -Hood”
– “Now ain’t that just perfect”, said Fox, closing the top
– “With Monks head up his ass, Teh Stupid should stop”
– “No more crapping the comments, no more changing the theme”
– “No more monkey-spunk bullshit, no more monkeypoo spleen”
– Slipping the lock quickly, through the latch with a grin
– Fox laughed out loud, too the thumping within
– “Take your idiotarian idiocy, your revisionist whine”
– “Shove it all in real tight, where the sun doesn’t shine”
(D.Collins, BB Hunter – copywrite(C), 2006 – all rights reserved by PW Enterprises – LLC)
Dunno. Zero would be ideal. Why not talk to the jackoffs who keep planting bombs in soccer fields and driving car bombs into markets?
Or do you believe that the US is to blame when some jihadi self-detonates in the middle of a bunch of job-seeking Iraqis?
If that’s what you believe, is it because you don’t consider the jihadis fully human? Or is it that the US is super-human? Or is it that your political stance requires you to blame the US for actions it had no part in?
If the jihadis and “insurgents” stopped shooting and bombing, I suspect the civilians deaths due to shooting and bombing would drop to zero.
Much of the killing in Iraq seems to be carried out by people America has recruited, armed and trained.
Come to think of it…we’re the ones who funded the Taliban in the first place.
Guess we’ll have to fall back on the old good intentions defense…as long as nobody looks too closely at our actual intentions…
Oh, do tell. Moron.
Thing is, Pablo, monkyboy and his ilk don’t really consider the jihadis and “insurgents” to be fully human. They’re only bundles of reflexes, reacting to our presence. If we weren’t there, there’d be no violence.
The possibility that jihadis et. al. have any ability to make decisions is discounted by the monkyboys. Look at his “solution” to the rockets from Gaza: not for the Paleos to stop shooting them, but for the Israelis to build a barrier. It’s as if the Paleos (and the “insurgents” in Iraq) aren’t people, but forces of nature.
See? While I was typing that up, monkyboy proved my point: he doesn’t consider them to be fully human. Any actions they take are the fault of the US.
I can’t wait to hear how we provided the material and the training to conduct car/suicide bombings and kidnappings.
– Oh that ones easy Pablo. the US “forced” a Democracy on those 12 million that voted for it, at gunpoint. that old women that said “You idiots in America that wanna know how we feel about what Mr Bush has done for us…..This is what we feel for you stupid leftists”, as she shot her purple middle finger at the camera.
BBh–
That really calls for illustrations, so I can read it to my kids before I send them to bed.
Dan – We should run a contest….See who can do the best photoshop, with the backdrop rolling berms with nice balloony fences, and the Fox stuffing monkeyshit, head up his ass, in a big brass hinged steamer trunk…..Just in time for the holidays…..
It’s like talking to a 2-year old. A stupid 2-year old.
You guys must be bored. Slow day at work?
Yep, you got it!
people are working this week!?
– Not the smart ones….
Hehe,
Ever in denial and feigned ignorance?
The Iraqi Amry and police that we’re sticking around to train are committing many of the murders in Iraq these days…just like we knew they would.
Just like in Afghanistan, we’re training tomorrow’s problem to fight the problem we created last time…
Round and round.
If you are, you might be monkyboy. See your doctor at once.
This ain’t really work, is it?
M-bot’s always in denial, and the ignorance isn’t feigned.
I guess someone had to balance out Stephen Hawking.
Balloon fence boy is going round and round. I do so hope that we continue to go round and round and spend whatever it takes to continue to kill terrorists and sap their resources. Right now, civilian casualties are the complete fault of the terrorists and or insurgents. Stop fighting, embrace democracy, no more civilian or other casualties. Civilian casualties are regrettable, but the vast majority of them are not our fault.
Back on topic balloon fence boy: You asked me a question about what sorts of questions I would ask muslims to further understanding. I gave you nine. You ignored them. Care to respond or will you just fling a couple of poo sentences and then prattle on about civilian casualties or Israeli imcompetance or some such other nonsense.
BTW: balloon fence boy; the Taliban was initally financed by the Pakistanis. Please do not ignore the facts when they are dropped on your head. And no, lard head, the Taliban were religious students. Most did not participate in the mujahadeen conflicts against the Russians as most were too young. However, please continue to spin your little tales of fictional connections and revisionist history to suit your needs. You can only in makeing yourself even more ridiculous.
Shorter Monky: All evil in the world is the fault of Americans and Joooos. Bring back Saddam.
My God, what sputtering fury directed at a caricature. Monkyboy, though snide and cutesy, is right. This. Is. Not. Working. Civilian casualties in Iraq can only increase, as the violence mounts and the control wanes. What are you people holding onto? Why do you launch the vaunted “with us or against us” trope all the time? If I question, I am an apostate. If I am silent, I am witless.
It doesn’t make sense, when some of us would rather make the best and honorably effective use of our troops, rather than making them into pawns in a political or pan-national agenda. This isn’t going well, and all the chest-thumping in the world won’t change it. Unless, of course, every first-hand news account I have seen or read is wrong.
I’ve always wanted the bumper sticker that says “labor creates all value.†But that’s just bumper-sticker politics. Also, I don’t have a car, so no bumper. Here’s my hint: I think you’re going to give me an answer to your own question. And its not going to be what I remember having learned in economics class.
Because to leave is to invite the barbaraian to our doorstep.It isn’t about Iraq. It’s about the new torqmada vs western civ. Iraq happens to be where we chose to fight them.
It doesn’t make sense, when some of us would rather make the best and honorably effective use of our troops, rather than making them into pawns in a political or pan-national agenda. This isn’t going well, and all the chest-thumping in the world won’t change it. Unless, of course, every first-hand news account I have seen or read is wrong.
All wars are political. This one is about very basic freedoms.
I agree, we’ve summoned the zombies who now feed on the flesh of our putative allies. Rusty is a case in point. What a pit bull patriot; snarling and snapping at everything that isn’t “America.” Give it a rest. In the meantime, let’s kill ‘em all, right Rusty? You must be wide awake, because rust never sleeps.
Vastly superior to those of you who “snarl and snap” at everything that is America.
Awwww, Monkyboy has a fan! How sweet.
The only basis you have for this opinion (as opposed to fact), is that things are not progressing as fast as you expect.
Bush said from the start it was going to be a long, hard fight, and made a commitment to the Iraqi people that we wouldn’t abandon them. Just because some of the more fainthearted among us want to take the cowardly French way out, doesn’t make the commitment void, or the fight unwise.
Unwise is thinking the war will be over if we just abandon the battlefield.
The battlefield will just move closer to home you ass. I can’t believe anyone would be so stupid as to think a “more honourable and effective use of our troops” would be to have them battleing Jihad in America, instead of keeping Jihad away from her.
But then I also have a hard time believing anyone would admire Monkyboy.
Oh, lah di dah. I’m not a younohoo acolyte. Yah, it’s the Long War, and it takes forever because it is profitable for your buds in power.
Why not just shut these upstart terrorist yayhoos down and be done with it? We can end this in a flash, as it were. Why all the diplomatic two-steppin’? Serious question.
And Happy Thanksgiving Day, all! Count those blessings!
Oh, and make no mistake: They ARE my troops. I have bought and paid for them by my taxes and my progeny, and Donald Rumsfeld was not fit in any way to manage my troops. Suck on that, Repubs.
What is the plan for your quick solution?
Keep in mind that the present strategy is not only to take out terrorists, but change the dynamics of the culture through an introduction of democracy. The second goal may or may not work, and that is what is making it a protracted struggle, but, IMO, it is much too early to declair defeat and start carpet bombing.
cynn – You may need to add the “ic” to the end of your handle. Is there some amount of profteering. always. Is that a major be all, and end all for the Iraq campaign. Childish reductionism. Like claiming you’re an expert on Canines, because a dog shits on your lawn. Back to the real reality.
– BTW. I noticed that since the Dems are now in charge, all of the “cut and run” seems to be fading into the mist. Surprise, surprise. Not so easy apparently, when it’s your watch.
“We can end this in a flash, as it were”
– There is no way “we” can “end this”. The future for Iraq, will depend on the Iraqi’a, more and more with each passing day.
– But to help give them the best possible chance, there is a strong movement to clean up all the militia’s, so that’s very much on the table.
– More bad news for the Left. There’s some interesting things going on in Lebanon, in regards to the assassinations. Watch the news in the next few days.
– Have a great holiday Dan, and to all our regulars, and best wishes to you and yours from me, and not so mini-me.
1) I am not monkyboy.
2) I am not cynn.
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Good one cynn!
Thanks BBh, right back at you.
Shaddup, phone tech, and excellent comeback, ooh, stung me bigtime!
You nailed it Big Bang Hunter. It’s all about the Iraquis now. Who knows? Maybe the U.S. will alter the colonianist model into a catalyst power, capable of transforming entire regions? P.S. Lebanon will not be pretty anon.
P.P.S. And yah, Phone Geek and lee, whatevah.
P.P.P.S. I really meant happy holiday to all; give a bit to charity!
give a bit to charity!
Well, I see cynn gave away his/her moral compass.
well, some of YOUR troops would say otherwise, but whatever, they’re probably too stupid to know it.
My guess is cynn has been drinking again.
Cynn, you’re a nasty drunk. And if you’re not drunk, I guess you’re always a bastard.
Happy Holidays!
I agree, we’ve summoned the zombies who now feed on the flesh of our putative allies. Rusty is a case in point. What a pit bull patriot; snarling and snapping at everything that isn’t “America.†Give it a rest. In the meantime, let’s kill ‘em all, right Rusty? You must be wide awake, because rust never sleeps.
Wow! Is this what passes for nuance? I was hoping that you might be more mature than monkeyboy. I was wrong.
Hey!Cynn. It’s thanksgiving day.
Shit I’m thankful for;
Supermarkets loaded with food that I don’t hafta worry if it’s safe to eat.Beer. More channels than I have time to click through. American football.The fact that I can go to a comedy club on open mike night and insult anybody. Kirasawa films.My daughters will never have to walk around in public wearing a black bag with eyeholes.Modern medicine.My drinking water and the stuff I flush down the toilet are two different water systems.Kosher hot dogs.There are , like, fifty churches within a ten minute drive of my house and I don’t have to go to any of them.Smoked ham.A hot cup of coffee in a cold duck blind at dawn.The scientific method.The museums of the city of Chicago, especially the art institute. Tits.
It would also be a good idea,Cynn, to take moment and thank whatever god scares the piss out of you for western civilization. Because the odds are that if you weren’t born here you’d have been born somewhere, where they draw their drinking water slightly uphill from the shitter. And while your at it thank god for those men and women who risk their lives to keep the screaming hoards of religious fanatics at arms length.
Thankyajesus!Passthesmashedpotatos.
Hey, cynn—you gotta admit it was better than “Shaddup”.