– civic pride. Or really bad morbidity record keeping….
“Now look….If I’ve told you Gargols and Ghouls from the south-side mortuary once I’ve been telling you or 200 years….No you can’t vote in this percinct…now slink on outta here…..”
Just for a brief clarification about the city of Saint Louis.
Although it is true that Saint Louis does have a crime problem – the biggest problem Saint Louis faces is that it can no longer grow in terms of physical boundries. Back in the 1870’s or so, the snooty ass city slickers got tired of paying for improvements in the county. Therefore they voted to cede themselves from Saint Louis county and become their own entity that is somewhat beholden to the state in many decisions.
It was a very bizarre and stupid thing to do. Fast track to the modern era and you have many Saint Louis CIty residents wanting desperately to merge with Saint Louis County but the politicians in Saint Louis county do not want this because now, the situation is reversed. Now the rich snooty assholes in the county don’t want to pay for upgrades in areas of the city that are run down.
Finally, I must also say that there is a silver lining. In my entire life, all 37 years of it, I never thought of downtown Saint Louis as a place to live. During the last 2 or 3 years, things are seeming to change. There are actually people walking around after dark that aren’t just there to suck you off or sell you crack. So things may be changing for this particular city regardless of the murder rate.
I can’t believe St. Louis beat out East St. Louis for most dangerous city. Gotta be vote fraud there. Carl Officer had something to do with it, I’m betting.
When I lived in Oz I got to talking to this one fellow about what you went to see when you visited other countries. I asked him what he’d like most to see in the US. He said, “East St. Louis.” (Some sort of music fan, apparently.)
I just remembered this business from January 2005. St. Louis police were writing informal “crime memos” to the files rather than treat a report of a crime as a reported crime. The result was that the crime rate in the city was lower. Politics, anyone?
However, republican on acid has a good point regarding the political layout. I live in the county, and work in the city, and I love the little burg I live in. If you took a look at the whole metro area, my guess would be that on average, the number of heinous, stupid, incomprehensibly senseless acts per capita wouldn’t be any higher here than anywhere else.
Of course, you’ve got to leave East Stl. out of the equation. Different state after all. Different world in fact.
Indeed, a little known fact about the Saint Louis metro is that it may have one of the highest “weirdo” rates in the entire country.
And it’s not the faux kind of weird that is normally paraded by a fashion statement. It’s the hidden and internal weirdness. The scary kind. Or the good kind, depending on your point of view.
God, I can’t believe any city could beat Detroit. I hate that place.
The first time I travelled there for business, I stayed in a really nice little place on a small street with absolutely nothing open for a few blocks. Everything seemed to shut down early. So, after a couple of nights I decided to walk around the parking lot because I was going stir crazy. After about 1/2 a lap, half the hotel staff came out to tell me they really didn’t recommend this. It seems the cabbies dropping people off kept pulling guns on each other. After they collected their fare, I expect.
Then someone took me on a tour of old houses (which I love), pointing out all the blown up mailboxes from the Free Press strike. Nice. Then, we went to see all the arson sites. Nice.
So, I decided to stay in Greektown for my next trips because it seemed more inhabited. I went to this indoor mall to eat and walk around, which actually had some cool places inside. As I was leaving, the security guard asked me where
I parked. I told him where I was staying, which was about 4 blocks away. He said he would call the hotel and have someone walk me back. WTF? It was surreal because I tell you there was nobody on the streets. No scary people, no homeless, nada.
Lunarpuff- having lived in Detroit all my life, I would say that you are overstating things just a tad.
The most dangerous parts of Detroit are not “Downtown” (which is experiencing some revitalization right now) but the neighborhoods. Those gang and drug-filled ones, in particular. And, the “Beer, Wine, Liquor” stores in those hoods.
I’ve walked downtown in the middle of the night by myself (I used to bartend in the heart of the city – a block from Greektown.) But, I wouldn’t drive through certain neighborhoods even during the day.
St. Louis may whip Detroit’s puny ass in overall crime but Detroit is the king in such sub-categories as car tipping, car torching, and overall riotous behavior. It’s only fair to give credit where it’s due. Because while St. Louis may hold the crime title belt, its citizens are also very good sports.
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The story that writes itself.
And more dead people vote in St. Louis, too.
At least some Detroiters can shoot straight….
P.S. You need the link, no?
The funniest do-it-yourself blogpost I ever saw was this one by Jim Henley.
There’s a serious argument going on over at Freakonomics about the correlation/causation arguement. Seriously.
And yes I just spelled “argument” two different ways. Both of them are correct, I decree it!
Do you have a job?
No, but I have $199… if you have a job, then together we can go buy a Kia.
That’s what I’m talking about: civic pride.
– civic pride. Or really bad morbidity record keeping….
“Now look….If I’ve told you Gargols and Ghouls from the south-side mortuary once I’ve been telling you or 200 years….No you can’t vote in this percinct…now slink on outta here…..”
It had it coming. Oh, and copious white space makes me uncomfortable, Dan.
Just for a brief clarification about the city of Saint Louis.
Although it is true that Saint Louis does have a crime problem – the biggest problem Saint Louis faces is that it can no longer grow in terms of physical boundries. Back in the 1870’s or so, the snooty ass city slickers got tired of paying for improvements in the county. Therefore they voted to cede themselves from Saint Louis county and become their own entity that is somewhat beholden to the state in many decisions.
It was a very bizarre and stupid thing to do. Fast track to the modern era and you have many Saint Louis CIty residents wanting desperately to merge with Saint Louis County but the politicians in Saint Louis county do not want this because now, the situation is reversed. Now the rich snooty assholes in the county don’t want to pay for upgrades in areas of the city that are run down.
Finally, I must also say that there is a silver lining. In my entire life, all 37 years of it, I never thought of downtown Saint Louis as a place to live. During the last 2 or 3 years, things are seeming to change. There are actually people walking around after dark that aren’t just there to suck you off or sell you crack. So things may be changing for this particular city regardless of the murder rate.
Yea, but more Detroit cops fall down on the way to catch the crooks.
Yeah, but at least Detroit has a chance to redeem itself tomorrow night and become France on the Lake with all the fires.
As a matter of fact I just came in from burning leaves
I visited the fine old couthouse in St. Louis 20 years ago and it was like a tomb, hardly a soul in sight.
Lack of lawsuits is a sign of little economic activity!
I can’t believe St. Louis beat out East St. Louis for most dangerous city. Gotta be vote fraud there. Carl Officer had something to do with it, I’m betting.
When I lived in Oz I got to talking to this one fellow about what you went to see when you visited other countries. I asked him what he’d like most to see in the US. He said, “East St. Louis.” (Some sort of music fan, apparently.)
I just remembered this business from January 2005. St. Louis police were writing informal “crime memos” to the files rather than treat a report of a crime as a reported crime. The result was that the crime rate in the city was lower. Politics, anyone?
I’ll bet we kick Detroit’s ass in VD too!
There’s some seriously messed-up people in Stl.
However, republican on acid has a good point regarding the political layout. I live in the county, and work in the city, and I love the little burg I live in. If you took a look at the whole metro area, my guess would be that on average, the number of heinous, stupid, incomprehensibly senseless acts per capita wouldn’t be any higher here than anywhere else.
Of course, you’ve got to leave East Stl. out of the equation. Different state after all. Different world in fact.
Yikes!
Indeed, a little known fact about the Saint Louis metro is that it may have one of the highest “weirdo” rates in the entire country.
And it’s not the faux kind of weird that is normally paraded by a fashion statement. It’s the hidden and internal weirdness. The scary kind. Or the good kind, depending on your point of view.
God, I can’t believe any city could beat Detroit. I hate that place.
The first time I travelled there for business, I stayed in a really nice little place on a small street with absolutely nothing open for a few blocks. Everything seemed to shut down early. So, after a couple of nights I decided to walk around the parking lot because I was going stir crazy. After about 1/2 a lap, half the hotel staff came out to tell me they really didn’t recommend this. It seems the cabbies dropping people off kept pulling guns on each other. After they collected their fare, I expect.
Then someone took me on a tour of old houses (which I love), pointing out all the blown up mailboxes from the Free Press strike. Nice. Then, we went to see all the arson sites. Nice.
So, I decided to stay in Greektown for my next trips because it seemed more inhabited. I went to this indoor mall to eat and walk around, which actually had some cool places inside. As I was leaving, the security guard asked me where
I parked. I told him where I was staying, which was about 4 blocks away. He said he would call the hotel and have someone walk me back. WTF? It was surreal because I tell you there was nobody on the streets. No scary people, no homeless, nada.
Lunarpuff- having lived in Detroit all my life, I would say that you are overstating things just a tad.
The most dangerous parts of Detroit are not “Downtown” (which is experiencing some revitalization right now) but the neighborhoods. Those gang and drug-filled ones, in particular. And, the “Beer, Wine, Liquor” stores in those hoods.
I’ve walked downtown in the middle of the night by myself (I used to bartend in the heart of the city – a block from Greektown.) But, I wouldn’t drive through certain neighborhoods even during the day.
St. Louis may whip Detroit’s puny ass in overall crime but Detroit is the king in such sub-categories as car tipping, car torching, and overall riotous behavior. It’s only fair to give credit where it’s due. Because while St. Louis may hold the crime title belt, its citizens are also very good sports.
Good insight Tongue-
Maybe what we are is desperate for entertainment.
Give us a championship, and we’re all best buds.
But catch us on a slow, uneventful night and we’ll burn your house down for looking at us sideways.
Although we’ll steal your car and run from the police at high speed with no regard for the lives of our fellow citizens any time, any day.
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