And people wonder why some of us mistrust the traditional media. I left my response in the comments at the TC site.
It’s my own fault, really. In fact, my grandmother always used to say, “never trust a female Tuscon Citizen reporter with a hyphenated last name; she’ll screw you like she was putting together shelving”—but did I listen?
No. No I did not.
Apologies, Grams. Your wisdom knows no bounds.
Jeff, your response to the biased article was devastating. Good job.
this is a comment test
So this is why they call it the Tucson Comrade…
Aye, Caramba
Let me guess..really only intention was to make contact, because actually talking to you or listening to your words was utterly unnecessary and a nuisance really, I mean she’s a pro and um she already has the story written, DUH!
Well, that’s good insight. However, if the paper’s website is dumb enough to allow comments to their articles, then the damage might be a bit limited.
Imagine: the person you’re writing the article about having a chance to talk back rather quickly. Must be horrifying for some reporters.
Hey…I bet it is…well then kudos to the TC, because really, talk about quality control…yipes.
I wish this could be summarized as “Jeff got Rathered” or “Jeff got Maped,” but that would be, like, if they flagrantly fabricated stuff. In this case, their technique was to distort the story to make it sympathetic to one side by downplaying their aggression while exaggerrating yours and depriving it of any context.
Now you know how Israel feels.
I want to see the nutty not-a-professor’s picture on the mugshot page on the smoking gun website. I hope it happens soon.
Jeff,
The home team always wins, and if they don’t they were robbed. Add a little same gender sympathy into the mix and I’d say you got off easy.
I was going to try to work heteronormative into that reply, but I’d have to find out what it means first.
She sounds like she got the story from someone who knew someone who, in turn, got it from someone else. What a lazy-assed reporter.
Intellectual dishonesty and sloth–what a great combination.
I spent last weekend in Yallerstone and missed all this. Darn.
I always was thought Deb was a parody; no one could be that moonbatty in real life. I guess I was wrong.
Part of the problem is that journalists are so eager to appear “even handed” that they hide or distort the facts in order to treat every dispute as a “plague on both your houses.”
Interesting, the commenter who posted right after you could hardly believe your post was for real…what a mixed up world.
I’ve been away for a bit, away from the internet, and came back to an inacessible you and reports of a disturbing nature and the most fish puns I have every read. So glad you are back up.
A lot of folks insist Frisch is mostly harmless, but she’s written things disturbing and violent enough to err on the other point of view – that she thinks constantly about malicious revenge and may be tempted to actually indulge in it.
Jeff, Wow just f’n wow!!!!
Wow. This one is even worse than the Inside Higher Ed hit job.
Nice rejoinder in their comments section though.
Reporters, whether in TV or print, are extremely lazy, if also biased. It’s this laziness, I thnk, that leads to stories like this one in the Tuscon Citizen. Whatever space they’re given to capture the story, I’m always getting the sense that the whole story isn’t being conveyed. You have to select and edit the facts to fit the framework of time (for TV) or space (print), but it can be done while still being faithful to the facts that connect to the heart of the story. My sense is that reporters are lazy writers and researchers to begin with, then their biases come into play as they craft the material.
When compared against Jeff’s response containing the context of the dispute, the reporter’s laziness seems clear. I see a repoter with a deadline, a small allocation of space, and a casual approach that was unfaithful to the material.
Back to other issues….what’s up with North Korea?
I found it funny that the next commenter who posted after Jeff responded said something along the lines of, “You never can tell if posts are fabricated.” Well, I’m having a lot of fun writing this non-existent comment. It’s strictly to consume oxygen, online, no less. BECAUSE COUNT COCKULA ORDERED ME TO!
Goldstein, your reply on the TC site was better written and cited than their own work! LOL, talk about a beating on their own turf. Anyways, it’ll be interesting to see where the evidence in the comments section leads the TC with regard to their implied position on the issue.
Man, this whole Frisch thing just gets wilder and wilder. It’s like one of those crazy hotel sex parties, but it lasts longer and no one has to worry about VD!
That it would be followed y a commenter showing mistrust in thee validity of the posts is almost as sad as the whole story. Razors andd stuff are far to high a concet to grasp when your dreams are of unicorns and rainbows I guess.
TW Or maybe it just goes to show the level of our delusion?
Brian, don’t forget they also were probably Journo majors. We’re not talking about engineers here, or even real lib arts. They’re typically a)people with a set agenda for going into the business or b)idiots who couldn’t make it in other majors. That’s about it.
A small time reporter for a local paper probably fits into b.
MarkD: Has something to do with laundry baskets, I think.
Saw it.
Read it.
Threw up a little in my mouth.
Nice response though.
BTW, this whole next page stuff for comments blows chunks. I didn’t even realize tat I was the 4th person to make the same comment because i had missed the entire second “page” of posts.
So, like, fix it. OPPRESSOR!!!!!
TW but i’ll still love you… it’s not your fault, just sometimes you make me angry and I want to e on your side, but there is no pie…
TO: Jeff Goldstein
RE: Reporters
While attending the Army’s Logistics Executive Development Course (LEDC) in ‘92, we had the pleasure of listening to the commander of one of the Defense Logistics Agency’s depots explain HIS encounter with 60 Minutes; the hatchet job they did on his excellent organization.
A few years later, I watched an episode of Bablyon 5 titled 36 Hours; an episode designed around a similar plot line.
The similarities between those two things and your experience are ‘remarkable’, but to be expected.
Keep up the good work….
…we’re all excited.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
I’m not even going to read the article; it will just make me mad. But I notice on Frisch’s site the comments on her latest blog post are 100% negative. This is very interesting. She’s either posting all the ones she considers unhinged in order to make her critics look bad or… what, I don’t know. You’d think that she’d post some of her “you go, girl” email, but so far she hasn’t.
I notice she took down the Count Cockula pic, though. Which is a shame, because Jeff looks sort of cool in a brown cape.
Out of curiosity, I note that a lot of the supporters of Frisch in this instance use personalities like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh as an example of conservatives doing what we’re condemning Frisch for.
What I want to know is: when is the last time that anyone has seen a conservative blogger posting anything that Coulter or Limbaugh has said and agreed with it?
Anytime I read about Limbaugh, it’s usually because of the Viagra incident—not because of his opinions. And the last few posts I’ve read about Coulter have condemned her for some of her over-the-top statements.
So where, exactly, is the equivalence?
Quick OT also about the picture of CC…
I missed it. I am sad. It should be proud and center on the front page. PLEASE!!!!!
TW I can’t go on living without it.
Coulter also looks good in a brown cape. With matching thigh-high boots. Just my guess though.
A lack of paragraph breaks? They do it on purpose. To make those not annointed with the bylines seem crazy.
So how come Count Cockula cereal has little crosses in the middle it? What’s up wit dat?
SB: child
smart ass
Okay, let’s try this:
A newswriter hetero-normative
wrote articles not too informative.
She heard from Deb Frisch
who, like her’s, left-ish,
and spewed this, which is just deformative.
Paragraph breaks are nothing more than a conspiracy perpetrated by the military-industrial complex and perpetuated by the global media, who are trying to distill everything into small, easily digestible “sound-bytes” which take away the true, nuanced beliefs of a full speech. If one were to actually shun the breaking of a paragraph, one would be able to achieve a true stream-of-consciousness post, much like James Joyce’s “Ulysses”, which is actually a roadmap to true enlightenment when combined with a fifth of Maker’s Mark and a couple of peyote buttons.
I started to give in a post a reply to the RTP, but I caught myself.
REMINDER:
IGNORE ACTHOLE.
Thatisall.
Johnny Catbird —
I wondered why they took out all my paragraph breaks.
Peyote. Yum.
Yeah Grams!
So, I guess that reporter is now up for a Pulitzer. She completed the trifecta:
1) Misrepresented events as they were documented.
2) Took your quote completely out of context to make you look like you threw the first punch.
3) Made the agitator into the poor, beset upon victim.
What a disgrace to the field of journalism.
– What is it with Gramma’s and shelving anyway….
– She must be monitoring every post on PW and saw the discussions concerning “General Mills execs would be less than thrilled to see the manner in which she is using their logo”, panicked and went a-redacting. That “thing” had better get her shit together soon, or she’s going to have more to worry about then angry parents.
G_d: So where did she go?
Adam: Well…Erm….after we sort of procreated a little she decided to wash down at the river….
G_d: Oh crap…Now the oceans will all smell like Frisch…
Don’t put too much faith in grandmothers. Mine always told me “Guests are like Frisch, after three days they start to smell.”
She was wrong, it didn’t take nearly three days.
No, she’s a disgrace to reporting and the epitome of journalism.
Minor correction, Mac B. After all these years I think that should have read:
What a disgrace is the field of journalism.
First post on a political blog – I’m not worthy!
Recent post on another blog (paraphrased) – The professor in the foyer with doggie poo – Worst game of Clue ever.
WRONG
Rove, you magnificent bastard.
I checked the story about 15 minutes ago and Jeff’s comments were there. I refreshed about 5 minutes later and they were gone, as well as another comment from Joe B. that included text from the good professor’s comments. But another short comment critical of Jeff, from LN or LM, also disappeared so I’m not reading much into this. Yet.
Jeff, you really need to see it from the perspective of the reporter. After all, isn’t that what journalism is all about: subjectivity? As a journalist and a woman, her job isn’t to report the facts, but to figure out how her sisters could be driven to act inappropriately by the depravity of conservatism, and not the hopelessly quaint conservatism of brainwashed housemarms, but the positively evil, testosterone soaked conservatism of their eternal oppressors, wielders of the manstaff and six pack.
Has no one ever explained the levels of victimhood to you Jeff? Let me list them, in order of most to least aggrieved, each with it’s score on the Steinam Sensitivity Scale:
100)American Indian
92)Lesbian
85)Black
70)Female
65)Muslim
60)Poor(white excepted)
56)Hispanic
32)Gay
15)Asian
0)Straight
-10)White
-15)Male
Each level is weighted per its ranking, and so the sensitivity score for different combinations of victimhood are found through simple addition. For instance, a hispanic lesbian (148) is more aggieved than a white lesbian(82), but far less aggrieved than a black one(177). Straight, white, non-muslim males(-110) acutally have a negative vicitimhood rating (unless they come from Berkeley) and thus the overall tone of the TC article. Also, there is a great deal of debate about whether the so-called “ultimate aggrieved”, a poor, black and american indian lesbian muslim (402!)does or even can exist, many theorizing she would explode soon after birth due to such high levels of aggrievement. At the very least, sports mascots would have to be altogether banned.
Incidentally, many are surprised to see male homosexuality with such an low overall (32) rating, generally attributed to obsessive weightlifting and participation in urban gentrification. In fact, their rating would be even lower but for a phenomenum known among statisticians as the “Sullivan anomoly”.
I saw what Jeff posted there before they deleted his response. As far as I can tell, their guidelines prevent posts like deb’s.
Either that, or they just don’t like the fact that their reporter straight-up blew the story.
WT…? The comments are back. I don’t think I’m going insane, as another commenter has the same complaint.
True. But do you doubt she’ll be at a major paper within the next few years? She’s got the Right Stuff.
Uh, I can still see Jeff’s comment, and I hit refresh and everything. Whaddaya mean they deleted it?
TW: as if this were a game or something
Tongueboy, Phil Smith: Did you see the link at the top of the comments that says “See all comments?” (I didn’t, first time around). There are 33 total, as I type, but only 3 are displayed just below the article, including Jeffs. Perhaps they rotate them.
Journalism is not a profession. Not even remotely so. If a member of any real profession (engineer, nurse, attorney, etc.) got things this hopelessly wrong there would be serious career repercussions.
Yeah, they’re back.
I first say Jeff’s comment from his link to the article. I then registered for comments at the Tucson.com site and re-entered the article by doing a site search, not from Jeff’s link, and set comments to “View All” but Jeff’s comment was not there. When I re-enter through Jeff’s link, the comment is there again. In the meantime, though, my own comment has disappeared. I’m cornfussed.
Yeah, Angie, I don’t mean to sound defensive, but this ain’t my first county fair. Jeff’s post was gone. I went back, there it was.
I suspect that the extra traffic they’re getting has strained their resources. Which I don’t necessarily believe, it’s just an excuse to type
BEWARE THE AWESOME POWER OF THE COCKALANCHE!!
She’s not posting all of them. I left the following comment under the “faux news update” entry:
What an idiot! You should kill his kids.
Didn’t make the cut.
She (Deb) wasn’t even funny, which is unforgivable in a troll.
(except for the Count Cockula remark. THAT was funny)
The BEST things about the Internet is being able to refute nonsense immediately. The worst thing is that it keeps us intelligent beings too busy to properly enjoy our tequilla and slow dancing with an armadillo.
Can’t imagine why.
(I don’t know which smiley to use on this—
or 
)
The Tuscon Citizen: “The Lighter, Fluffier Journalism Substitute.”
Wow. I admit, despite my recent “conversion” to reluctant neo-con, I’ve remained somewhat skeptical about the whole “liberal media” thing. But that article is about as blatant and undeniable as bias gets. Personally, I would be absolutely furious if an article that slanted were written about me.
I imagine that thought never crossed the reporter’s mind, since Jeff is, after all, a Great White Penised Oppressor.
Will I finally get a “TRUTHFUL answer from……..?
http://www.myspace.com/mariognitrini111
MarioGeorgeNitrini111
mariogeorgenitrini111
_________
The OJ Simpson Case
There are so many wild and wonderful places to go with that comment, I don’t know where to start.
Except to warmly welcome back Jeff, and welcome back his Great White Penis, as well.
TW: “inside” – oh, come on, now.
Why does this feel like an episode of Strangers With Candy?
Man, this whole Frisch thing just gets wilder and wilder. It’s like one of those crazy hotel sex parties, but it lasts longer and no one has to worry about VD!
Umm … you mean, those actually happened…?
How come I never get invited to these things….
The Frisch-o-tola is spreading the rumor at http://www.stevejanke.com that Jeff or someone here wrote those comments attributed to her.
I called her a liar but thought I would let people know.
Steve is a excellent Canadian conservative blogger who was agreeing with Jeff and comparing Frisch to Robert McClelland because of a nasty comment McClelland made about Steve’s kid.
…or federal law en forcement, or any branch of the US military, or the NHL.
Well, okay, not the NHL so much…
TO: GoddessOfTheClassroom
RE: Unfunny
“She (Deb) wasn’t even funny, which is unforgivable in a troll.”—GoddessOfTheClassroom
What color of chalk dust would she have been snorting to get that way?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Well, I don’t what actually happened with Phil Smith’s encounter with the disappearing post (insert ghostly scary noises here) but my encounter appears to be of my own doing.
I originally found the article through Jeff’s link. I left the site and came back later to post a comment but did so by directly entering the TucsonCitizen site. A word search on “Frisch” drew a single article link, which I neglected to notice was to the article in the competitor paper, the Daily Star. Not being familiar with the site, I didn’t realize the site search would return a competing paper’s article first. I posted a comment to that article, meanwhile managing to ignore the giant “Daily Star” banner at the top of the page and wondering why I hadn’t noticed the contributing writers for the article before, and later returned to the Citizen article through Goldstein’s link and couldn’t find my comment.
Er, not that anybody cares, of course. Correcting the record and all that tommyrot…
Robert McClelland was actually one of the first to come out in support of the good doctor. Which should tell you all you need to know.
Looks like the American Spectator got the story straighter than the Tuscon paper:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10068
It’s too bad reporters can’t be sued for malpractice.
TO: All
RE: Interesting Business This
It seems like Frisch is going to get her surname unofficially dubbed a verb, as in….
Don’t go getting frisch with me, here.
I think it’s a verb, but I’m not an English major.
Is there a trustworthy professor in the house?
RE: On the Other Hand
The reporting by that epitome of old-media journalism is a superb example of why I don’t trust most everything that comes from those people these days.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Apparently, there are a LOT of people out there who have a pent-up desire to stalk…. – Dr. Frisch, who is understandably afraid to look into her mirror, and not just because it might crack.
We’ve been pretty mean to this woman. Sad that the loony stalker can no longer teach psychology to college students.
But it’s okay, the MSM is encouraging her to soldier on…..
it’s beyond blogs and into the online magazine/ mainstream media phase. This is a good thing. Here are links to real media coverage (as opposed to blog coverage). …. This is my favorite so far by La Monica Everett-Haynes in the Tucson Citizen. – Dr. Frisch
Ha!
Why is anyone surprised that La Monica is a crap journalist? She learned journalism at… the University of Arizona!
“What I experienced does not compare to my college education nor what encounters I had while writing for my university’s newspaper. I walked away with a total of 23 clips, while my goal was 20. That still makes me smile. Now, I have an internship as a cops reporter with one of my local newspapers and am writing close to three stories a day.”
La Monica Everett-Haynes
University of Arizona
Summer 2000 intern at The Salt Lake (Utah) Tribune
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13329
Yeah, here’s how La Monica began her journalism career:
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13329
Since its summer 1991 start with six students, the Chips Quinn Scholars program has trained almost 500 young people of color for newsroom internships across the country.
“The Chips Quinn program is a big part of my success, and I will forever be indebted to it. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to gain more clips and to establish a minority voice, not only as an Hispanic but as a female.”
Claudia Provencio
University of Texas-El Paso
Summer 1998 intern at the El Paso (Texas) Times
Sounds like The Monica is more interested in furthering an idea then a fact.
Now multiply that by however many other writers are out there…. And you wonder why so many of the moonbats hate the media just as much. I doubt the Tuscon Whatever will get any additional revenue from this story though. In fact, I would like to think that they may loose some.
TW I’m just saying, similar things have happened.
Jeff:
The reporter is either incredibly lazy or incredibly biased. If one of the readers of that site only read the article and did not read the exchanges on the PW site they would have no idea about what really happened. Everything that is written is true but what was left out leaves the reader clueless about what actually transpired. If the reporter didn’t take the time to read the threads then the reporter should be canned for being lazy. If the reporter did read all of the comments then the article shows incredibly bad journalistic judgement and is evidence of agenda journalism. Some stories are hard to judge. This one wasn’t.
The editorial staff hasn’t returned my phonecalls.
I’ll give them another couple of tries.
Like they want to be cockslapped.
Like they want to be cockslapped.
A cockslap from Jeff, even over the phone, is certainly something to fear.
If I can get that in a lap dance, I’ve got a C-note with your name all over it, baby.
Really, fuck ‘em. They’re not trying to get it right. That’s not their point.
Get your wife to do it (yeah, I know, stereotypes and all that):
“Good morning, this is Tracee, from the law firm of Goldstein and O’Meara, New York. May I speak to the managing editor, please?”
Regards,
Ric
She is going home to “Eugene, OR”? Oh, that figures….
It’s in LANE county, might as well be Benton, or Multnomah county…. all moonbat safecounties….
She’ll probably get a job at U of O, and probably be able to use her comments on your website as ‘resume’…. they love that kind of stuff down there in moonbat town….
And it’s those counties and those counties alone that colored Oregon blue in 2004…. I feel…
You know…. dirty…..
I’m actually impressed with the TC’s police re: responding to their articles.
Most lamestream media outlets will only allow targets of their attacks (smears, or justified attacks) to respond under strict conditions:
1 – it’s published at least a day later
2 – in some other section of the paper
3 – it’s very limited in length (much smaller than the original article)
4 – it’s restricted in terms of content (the responder is not allowed to make certain arguments!)
That the TC is willing to allow Jeff Goldstein to savage it–deservedly, no less!–is mighty big of them. So however much annoyed you are at the original article (which really shouldn’t surprise anyone, least of all Jeff), you should be amazed that they let him respond.
Which is not to say that they deserve Sainthood or anything, but certainly larger papers like the NY Times, LA Times, SF Chron, etc. could learn a lesson here. If reporters knew they would be held to standards of accuracy by the participants in teh stories they covered, I think their accuracy level would skyrocket.
Daryl, are we sure they want their accuracy level to skyrocket?