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Dean:  “this president is weak on defense and he’s hurt America”

—Which, I guess, is not the same as questioning Bush’s patriotism.  Or calling him treasonous.  Those accusations, after all, are reserved for neo-con Zion-Nazikkkultists who, say, question the way the New York Times thinks about journalism or defines “courage”.  Because of the nuance.1

Anyway, more Dean:

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean accused President Bush last night of being weak on national defense and absent in the escalating violence between Israel and Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon.

In remarks at San Diego State University, Dean urged activists to fan across the nation – including deep into the heart of Republican-rich “red” states – to tell voters that Bush has failed as president – including in national defense, which Republicans tout as their core strength.

[…] Introduced by comedian and radio host Al Franken, Dean touched on various high points of the Democratic Party’s national agenda, including a higher minimum wage, environmental protection and voting initiatives.

Dean was especially pointed in an area the Bush administration has long claimed as its home turf – a muscular national defense.

Dean said the Bush administration’s decision to go to war against Iraq and its overall foreign policy have hurt America’s standing in the world.

“This country is in the worst shape since Richard Nixon, and probably before that,” Dean said.

“We’ve lost the high moral high ground everywhere in the world. We want to be respected around the world again.

Ah, how I do so love DNC calculus.  To wit:  freeing 50 million people from totalitarian regimes and spreading democracy = loss of moral high ground; pandering for international “respect” from those who took money from Saddam in exchange for blocking the way for the destruction of his regime = moral high ground.

Had Dean mentioned gay marriage, he’d be Andrew Sullivan.

But wait, it gets better:

In an apparent reference to Israeli military action deep inside Lebanon, Dean said:

“If you think what’s going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn’t, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn’t get where we are today. We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had when he brought together the Northern Irish and the IRA, when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians.”

That’s right.  According to Howard Dean, whose misty watercolored memories of the Clinton years seem to have softened his brain beyond repair, the Israelis and the Palestinians were engaged in a lasting peace until Bush came along and ruined everything.

And Monica Lewinsky?  Looked just like a young Ava Gardner!

Seriously. How can anyone even consider voting for a party that would allow this guy to stand in front of an open microphone?

(h/t Pundit Review)

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1Is the un-nuancing of nuance really just a new form of Greenwaldian meta-nuance? 

Man. This nuance thing is confusing. Which is why I just like to call people I don’t agree with Pasty the homo hausfrau.

95 Replies to “Dean:  “this president is weak on defense and he’s hurt America””

  1. If we’ve lost the moral high ground, who’s taken it?

    France? The country that puts petty criminals into jails that compare unfavorable to the rebirth of the “Black Hole of Calcutta” at Gitmo?

    Russia? The country that’s slowly sliding back into its totalitarian habits?

    And could someone explain to me what advantage there is in occupying the moral high ground when no one else gives a rat’s ass about it?

  2. Dan Collins says:

    misty watercolored memories

    Someone left the cake out in the rain.

    They were clouds in my coffee.

  3. Dan Collins says:

    Robert–

    And could someone explain to me what advantage there is in occupying the moral high ground when no one else gives a rat’s ass about it?

    It gives one a good vantage point for shooting ethical bullets at the surrounding territory

  4. natesnake says:

    high moral high ground

    “Please allow myself to introduce… myself.”

    Austin Powers circa 1997

    T/W Apparently there is another floor under the basement.

  5. Rob B. says:

    SO the Democrats, the “pro-abortion, gay marriage backing, soldier death exploiting, Iraq abandoning, religion hating” party is going to help us regain the moral highground previously held by the president that got head in the office while accepting Chinese campaign contributions and white washing terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the USS Cole.

    If that’s the case, maybe we don’t want the moral high ground. I say we stay lowlanders and we win.

    TW: position; either the one Gore wouldn’t have put us in or the one that Billy boy had Monica is. Either way, they both sucked.

  6. SeanH says:

    Seriously. How can anyone even consider voting for a party that would allow this guy to stand in front of an open microphone?

    I sure can’t, in national elections at least.  It really sucks too, because I’m pretty damn sick of the GOP and I’d love a decent alternative.

  7. ahem says:

    Apparently, the idea of shame no longer exists.

  8. Bender says:

    How can anyone even consider voting for a party that would allow this guy to stand in front of an open microphone?

    Because those meanie Republicans are full of hate!

    “I hate Republicans”—Howard Dean, 1/29/2005

    Well, I, ummmm, I’m sure there’s another, ummmmm…

  9. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Think about it for a minute. Hussien still in power with this conflict going on. No American military force in the region. Who knows how much worse the Iran/NK situations would be. The Palestine mess. Iraq throwing scuds, or worse at Israel just as they did in desert storm. Deans a fucking full-blown lunitic.

    – As I said in another thread. This ME conflict will not abate. Israel is not going to settle for the end game to be business as usual. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, even the Arab League, have taken sides against the Celiphate this time. Thats a landmark change in things. The situation is forming up with Syria, Iran, Chechnya, and the NK against the rest of the world. Even China is on board with the NK thing.

    – The Jihadist loons will pay for their lack of temperance this time around. Biggest reason. All the emerging big gun world economies see this crap as bad for business.

    TW: world. Yes, I said ”world” you Turing dipshit.

  10. Karl says:

    “We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had when he brought together the Northern Irish and the IRA, when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians.”

    The latter ended in Arafat declaring a second intifada.  The former was not truly resolved until 9/11 caused the IRA to see the writing on the wall for terror groups.  Nevertheless, I applaud Dean’s effort to get people thinking about Bill Clinton and moral authority at the same time.  Rove is a genius.

  11. N. O'Brain says:

    Is the moral high ground as pretty as the Highlands of Scotland?

  12. Bender says:

    “We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had when he brought together the Northern Irish and the IRA, when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians.”

    Will those Republicans stop mentioning Clinton?  He has nothing to do with anything anymore!  It’s like they can’t get over the fact that he’s gone.  They have a fixation on the Clenis!

  13. RaLph says:

    “This country is in the worst shape since Richard Nixon, and probably before that,” Dean said.

    Before that?  Johnson and Kennedy?

  14. Mark Poling says:

    With FrankenDean leading the charge this fall, the Democrats have a real chance to loose seats in an election that have been a romp for them. 

    TW: south, as in where the Democratic Leadership is going….

  15. nikkolai says:

    Is Howie Dean a parody of a character or some kind of satirist imitating a comedian? Gives me a laugh every time he gets wound up.

    TW: return; as in, return to the slapstick, Howard…

  16. Jim in KC says:

    If I didn’t know better, I’d guess Dean was a psychology professor previous to his career as a politician.

  17. McGehee says:

    Howlin’ Howie is trying to put satirists and parodists out of business.

  18. alppuccino says:

    I gotta believe that Pelosi, Reid, Durbin and Murtha (or as I like to call them: Shemp, Curly, Curly Joe and Shemp) are thanking Howard for a much needed break from the spotlight.

  19. J. Brenner says:

    Isn’t it time to seriously consider the possibility that Dean is a Republican mole?  Think about it: on one hand, the guy advocates a long term, high visibility “50 state” strategy designed to engage even people in core Republican areas, on the other hand, he continually makes outrageous, inflammatory statements that practically beg to be turned around and used against his party. 

    It is difficult to see where the Dems gain from Dean’s actions, in that they already have all kinds of affiliated or allied unions and political organizations that will gladly serve up the kind of dubious, mean-spirited rhetoric designed to get core voters to the polls, but who will do so in a way that does not automatically tie controversial and divisive tactics to the Democratic party.  They don’t need a high-profile figure spouting this kind of nonsense.  Instead, they need a smart low-key individual who will charm the media, raise funds and serve as the respectable face of his pary.  The dark lord Rove has chosen well.

  20. mRed says:

    “We’ve gotten rid of (Saddam Hussein), and I suppose that’s a good thing.”

    HD

  21. kelly says:

    They don’t need a high-profile figure spouting this kind of nonsense.  Instead, they need a smart low-key individual who will charm the media, raise funds and serve as the respectable face of his pary.

    Pace Hillary?

    </actus>

    Seriously, though, it appears to me that Dean’s sole responsibilty is to continue to spout this bullshit only to make Hill look centrist.

  22. N. O'Brain says:

    Well well well, look what John Hawkins just posted:

    “The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton

  23. DrSteve says:

    I wish I didn’t have to support anyone associated with social conservatives, but alas… Any party that honestly believes Hastings > Harman on Intelligence fails the laugh test.  The brewing opposition to Lieberman just raises it to higher levels of risibility.

  24. twolaneflash says:

    And Hillary RoadHam looked just like a young Grace Kelly.

    /beer-goggles off.

  25. Tongueboy says:

    I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.

    I’d like to buy the world a Coke.

    If I had a hammer, I’d have built that bike path after all, church leaders be damned. But all I had was a dumptruck full of Bush’s lies, a road grader constructed of Bush’s lies and asphalt sealant formulated from Bush’s patented lies.

    Instead, I went skiing. Skiing is way loads more fun than paving a bike path, believe me. Which doesn’t mean I won’t allow my Mexican friends to do it for me. They shouldn’t have to live in the shadows, afraid to do the jobs that pasty-Americans won’t touch. Not that I wouldn’t pave that path mind you; it’s just the ripping pain in my thighs from running black diamonds all day and the ripping pain in my head from connecting George W. Saud to every conceivable earthly ill from poorly designed child safety seats to chronic halitosis all night keeps me sidelined from menial, backbreaking tasks. Really.

    Did I say just that out loud?

    Mad Howie

  26. Simon says:

    If you think what’s going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn’t

    This reminds me of my favorite ever quote from Eschaton (although I believe it was a guest blogger, not Atrios) – discussing The Passion of The Christ they said something like “Let’s have no more debate about whether or not the movie is anti-semitic, because it is”

    Ok, point argued and won. Well done, sir.

  27. Tongueboy says:

    Oh, and did I mention: moral high ground—much, much higher after a couple of “dime bags”. I’m pretty sure that’s what the kids are calling reefer these days.

    Did I say that out loud, too? Feh, won’t get called on it anyhoo…

    Mad Howie

  28. Defense Guy says:

    Howard Dean and ‘screw em’ Kos seem dead set on murdering the party of the Donkey.  Makes me wonder what the party did to them.  Musta been something horrible.  It’s almost as if their actions are designed to drive people away from the left.

    DrSteve, I consider myself a social con, only I would never want to force another to live what I would consider a moral life.  That would be too presumptuous for my taste, but a fantastic choice when chosen freely, IMO.

  29. Carin says:

    He sounds about as serious and sophisticated as Randi Rhodes.

    <shake your boobies</em>

  30. Spade says:

    Are you kidding me? Dean’s right on the money! Why, right now, as I type these very words, Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams are having a group hug and it’s all Clinton’s doing!

  31. BumperStickerist says:

    a point that Dean et al. never address is ‘The Cost of Doing Nothing Much’.

    If you recall, it took the presence of 80-100,000 US troops in Kuwait to get Saddam to allow around 30 United Nations inspectors in.  The number of inspectors tripled to just shy of 100 in a couple of months.

    So, basically, 1,000 United States troops stationed in Kuwait gets you one inspector in Iraq.  That’s not guesswork either, that’s what happened on the ground in late 2002.

    Following Dean’s logic, the US would have avoided going but had to maintain a standing army of 100,000 troops in Kuwait in order to allow the 100 UN Inspectors to come to a definitive conclusion regarding Iraq’s WMD. 

    There’s a great deal of cost associated with 100,000 troops in Kuwait for 3+ years.  There would also be, presumably, some level of casualties with any force deployement, either from IEDs, terrorist attacks, whatever.

    .

  32. Rusty. says:

    “moral highground” That’s gotta be some obscure Monte Python skit.Is Cindy Sheehan in it?

    I gotta go. My dog just made a nuance in the neighbors yard.

  33. ahem says:

    “The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton

    That’s the pantomime Bill Clinton.

    tw: would. If only he would.

  34. alppuccino says:

    “If you think what’s going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn’t, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn’t get where we are today…..

    Oh and Christoper Reeve would be starring in “River Dance: The Movie” and Red Buttons would still be splitting our sides with that “never got a dinner” bit.

  35. SteveG says:

    Sounds like something a Democrat would say at a Jewish fundraiser

  36. DrSteve says:

    Defense Guy, you’re miles from what I was attempting to describe.  Mainly I’m allergic to busybodies.  Communitarians give me hives just as easily as the bluenoses.  Didn’t intend to give offense.

  37. Well… I’ll give him this.  It’s not as stupid as what usually pours out of his meathole.

  38. mRed says:

    Well. a guy can change his mind can’t he?

    Governor Dean said America must “confront the Iranians, the Syrians, the Saudis, and others who send money to Hamas, and finance a worldwide network of fundamentalist schools which teach small children to hate Americans, Christians, and Jews” (speech before the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, June 25, 2003).

  39. kelly says:

    Well… I’ll give him this.  It’s not as stupid as what usually pours out of his meathole

    Huh.

    You must have a higher tolerance for stupidity than I do because this rant sounds about as stupid as they come.

  40. Arnold Schwarzenegger says:

    This President is not weak, you know, he has a 250 poundt bench press, which is fascinating for a man of his age to have.

    I bet this Dean fellow, this little guy, can’t bench much weight at all, just a small man who can’t work out because he is scairt.

  41. Defense Guy says:

    Didn’t intend to give offense.

    None taken.

  42. alppuccino says:

    If Kerry and bunch would have been working day in and day out on preventing the ME escalation, would they still have had time to work day in and day out to prevent Katrina?

    What would their tsunami prevention program have entailed? 

    I’m interested in this campaigning on the changing of history. 

    Slogans?

    Vote Democrat: We’ll tell you how it could have been – not obsess about the future.

  43. garrett says:

    It just amases me that so many Democratic leaders choose entertainment venues, to present their platform.  Syas somethign, doesn’t it.  and something not very complimentary either.

  44. Warlock says:

    You know, I would have voted for Dean had he been the Democrat ticket in ‘04. Not because I disliked Bush, but because Dean has something you rarely find anymore in politics: passion.

    Consider, for a second, that I would have been voting against my party of choice.

    This, I think, is just Dean schilling for the DNC. This doesn’t sound like stuff he’d normally say if he wasn’t the DNC chairman.

    To wit, I believe we still stand on the moral high ground. What Bush is trying to accomplish won’t be seen for probably 6-10 years yet, and I believe history will thank him for it.

    TW:I’m glad Kerry ran instead of Dean, and lost it for the DNC.

  45. McGehee says:

    This doesn’t sound like stuff he’d normally say if he wasn’t the DNC chairman.

    Funny, because it sounds very much like stuff he was saying when he was running for president.

    That passion stuff is tricky. You find it in lots of good people. Also lots of small-burger-fries-and-Coke-short-of-a-happy-meal-(and-the-cheap-ass-toy-is-broken) people, too.

  46. SteveG says:

    I was referring to Clinton’s chickenhawk statement…. without even looking up where the statement came out, it was so obviously said at a Jewish fundraiser….

    How’d that old joke go…… President’s Nixon, Carter and Clinton are taking a cruise when the ship hits an iceberg.

    Carter steps up and says: “I was in the Navy… get the lifeboats ready; women and children first”

    Nixon: “F*** ‘em”

    Clinton: “Do we have time for that?”

  47. Old Dad says:

    What if a really mediocre doctor with megalomaniacal tendencies got himself elected governor or an uber liberal little pissant state. One night, after a couple fatties with Ben and Jerry, he decides that he could be President.

    A bunch of lefty fruit loops jump on his band wagon, and before you know it the press, equally stoned, anoint him the front runner until the reality based community laughed him out of Iowa. Even Dennis Kucinich felt sorry for him.

    Oh, wait a minute, that really happened

    Never mind.

  48. err says:

    “If you think what’s going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn’t, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn’t get where we are today. We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had when he brought together the Northern Irish and the IRA, when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians.”

    , when he pressed for the Israelis to leave Lebanon…ah crap, er, ah, Mulligan!

  49. Warlock says:

    That passion stuff is tricky. You find it in lots of good people. Also lots of small-burger-fries-and-Coke-short-of-a-happy-meal-(and-the-cheap-ass-toy-is-broken) people, too.

    Too true. But it is so rare to find it teeming beneath the surface the way Dean manages it, in politicians. I see it a lot at pep rallies, where the most charismatic person present has taken it upon themselves to embody the rally in themselves and push the fever pitch a couple notches higher. Dean has that. And if he had a chance to show it, the DNC would see that he actually has MORE charisma than their vaunted Clinton.

    Yes, I said I’m a Republican. Yes, I’m giving Dean props. But, they say you should always applaud good things, no matter where you see them.

    TW: chief instigator on high alert

  50. kelly says:

    Yes, I said I’m a Republican. Yes, I’m giving Dean props. But, they say you should always applaud good things, no matter where you see them.

    As a fellow Republican, I applaud the “good” things Dr. Dean has done if only because it eases my general pissiness with Republicans in general.

  51. mRed says:

    Okay, I’ll bite. What did Howie do good? Snuggle with mommy. Kiss a baby? The only thing dumber than Dean are Deaniacs.

  52. mRed says:

    But don’t follow the money because that would be illegal and you big McBusHitler <sputter> just leave Iran alone!

    Governor Dean “blasted recent anti-Semitic remarks by Malaysia’s prime minister, called for U.S. efforts to curtail Saudi Arabian incitement and support for terrorism, and urged pressure to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons” (Jewish Telegraphic Agency, October 20, 2003).

  53. Warlock says:

    I condemn what mRed said. :D

    And like I said, I applaud him for having passion in an arena that usually extinguishes it. Or punishes it painfully. Passion leads way to personality, which begets charisma, which begets cooperation in the world view. You can’t beat everyone else into submission, simultaneously.

    I am not a Deaniac, if you were referring to me. I did appreciate what he brought to the landscape, and was supportive of it. The political landscape could use a few more Deans out there; Democrat, Republican or otherwise.

    TW: One of the arms of the media snuffed Dean’s chances at the Presidency.

  54. Michael Smith says:

    To a liberal, the moral high ground on any given issue is whatever the U.N., the French, the Germans, the Belgians, the Russians, etc. say it is.  In other words, we occupy the moral high ground whenever we are subservient to the wishes of the rest of world, and we forfeit the moral high ground whenever we act in our own interests or act contrary to the wishes of other nations.

    This means that every other nation on the planet is entitled to act however it wishes—and it is still moral.  But America, out of all the nations of the world, cannot do anything without the approval of others.

    This view reveals nothing less than an intense, fundamental hatred of America.  And it leaves me with a simple request.  Would all those that so hate and detest America please leave?

  55. Scape-Goat Trainee says:

    “You know, people say the Republicans are tough on defense. How can you be tough on defense if five years after 9/11, Osama bin Laden is still at large, the Iranians are about to get nuclear weapons, North Korea’s quadrupled their nuclear weapons stash. . .

    Above is another quote Jeff didn’t post that Dean the Traveling Clown made.

    I gotta ask Democrats, do ANY of you think that the Dems would be doing more to capture Osama than Bush? Hell, I question if the Dems would have even gone into Afghanistan at all. Nothing in their recent history suggests to me that they would have.

    Same with Iran, what would Dems have done? Well…they could always follow the Carter model, that worked well, right?

    As for the North Koreans? Dems have the guts to blame REPUBLICANS for those psychos getiing Nukes?

    You’re kidding right? After Secretary of State Aunt Bee was done baking Kimmie cakes and dancing the night away, she apparently had little time to get tough…

  56. 6Gun says:

    Is the un-nuancing of nuance really just a new form of Greenwaldian meta-nuance? 

    Keep asking these rhetorical questions and the rest of us smartasses’ll have nothing to do.

    Well, kinda:

    The only thing dumber than Dean are Deaniacs.

    Heh.

    Apparently, the idea of shame no longer exists.

    Stop talking about actroll that way, ahem.

    You’ll encourage it.

    tw: Actyrd.  The antimatter of reason.

  57. Tongueboy says:

    Introduced by comedian and radio host Al Franken,

    I don’t know about anyone else, but this kinda takes the luster off Dean’s remarks. A reverse halo effect, if you will. We got our 8th row center tickets, our wineskin and a fully-charged Bic. The lights go down, the crowd roars, the opening act runs onto the stage and —- it’s Stuart Smalley. Shoulders sag, pipes go out, stiffies deflate. Franken and Dean are wrestling buddies—I get that—but still….I would have expected an intellect of the good doctor’s caliber to have a, er, higher caliber intro.

  58. Darleen says:

    Just what moral authority did Clinton have to give even more legitimacy to the thieving aids-ridden Egyptian Arafat by sticking him in a room with the object of his murderous impulses and calling it “working for peace”?

    Treating Arafat as a head of state equal with Rabin at Oslo was an act of moral bankruptcy.

    And just when the f*ck does Dean thinks The Intifada began???

  59. Defense Guy says:

    Warlock

    This passion, I think the country could use less of:

    “You know, the Republicans are not very friendly to different kinds of people. They’re a pretty monolithic party. Pretty much, they all behave the same, and they all look the same. … It’s pretty much a white Christian party.’’ –speaking about the lack of outreach to minority communities by political parties

    “The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong.”

    “You think people can work all day and then pick up their kids at child care or wherever and get home and still manage to sandwich in an eight-hour vote? Well Republicans, I guess can do that. Because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives.”

    Howard Dean, patriot, uniter, man of passion.  Feel free to like the man if you wish.  I think he’s a putz.

  60. kelly says:

    Passion leads way to personality, which begets charisma, which begets cooperation in the world view.

    Hey, those jihadis have a lot of passion, don’t they?

  61. Scott Free says:

    If you think what’s going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn’t, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn’t get where we are today.

    Wow. Breathtaking arrogance and jaw-dropping naivite all in one sentence.

    Layers.

  62. mRed says:

    “Hey, those jihadis have a lot of passion, don’t they?”

    Yeah, but Howie is the arbiter of passion. Yeah, that’s it.

  63. Clint says:

    This means that every other nation on the planet is entitled to act however it wishes—and it is still moral.  But America, out of all the nations of the world, cannot do anything without the approval of others.

    This view reveals nothing less than an intense, fundamental hatred of America.  And it leaves me with a simple request.  Would all those that so hate and detest America please leave?

    I have to disagree a bit.  Altruism – a philosophy practiced by BOTH the Right and the Left – states explicitly that the only moral action is one in which the actor does not benefit.  This is why we are where we are in the world.  It’s not a hatred of America, per se, it’s a hatred of the “self”.

  64. Warlock says:

    Hey, those jihadis have a lot of passion, don’t they?

    I’ll refrain from the normal flippant comment about how the Democrats always mistake fundamentalism for passion. Oops, too late smile

    The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong.

    He also in that same interview kept trying to parallelize the Vietnam and Iraq conflicts. Which already shows the flaw in his thinking.

    Let me re-iterate just so that my position is clear: I applaud Dean for only one thing: his passion. His ideas, his thoughts on how things should work, a lot of that is misguided mostly because he’s not in the hot seat. And you’ll notice from the other Dean quotes he was towing the party line and they all, universally, happened after he lost the election and became DNC chairman (nullifying the possibility of him running for President).

    TW: I can make a choice to either agree or disagree with others

  65. Meg Q says:

    The only problem with seeing Dean as a Rove plant is that you start seeing pretty much everyone in the Democrat party, except Joe Lieberman and maybe a few others, as Rove plants. And, while that’s not outside the realm of possibility, one must consider that Karl does have a pretty comprehensive, 18-to-20-hr-type day job, and that there are Clintonistas even now worming their way back into State and Treasury, so I think Karl would have his hands full without running the Democrat party into the ground.

    On the other hand, it’s hard to believe they’re choosing to do these things of their own free will, isn’t it?

  66. Michael Smith says:

    Clint, I agree, it is altruism and it is the reason we are where we are now.  America-hatred is only one of its manifestations.

  67. Okay, I’ll bite. What did Howie do good?

    Demonstrate that the Democrat Party is completely in thrall to loonies and moonbats.

  68. Michael Smith says:

    Let me re-iterate just so that my position is clear: I applaud Dean for only one thing: his passion

    .

    But passion per se is a morally neutral characteristic.  A passionate advocate of Islamic totalitarianism is in no way redeemed by his passion.

  69. ahem says:

    Warlock: If by passion, you mean that Dean might actually have believed what he was saying at one time, okay, I’ll buy it. But he’s since forfeited any claim to credibility he night have had. I thought Obama was sincere as well. Turns out he’s just as craven as the rest of them.

    I believe the most stirring and visionary public speaker in the Democratic party since Jack Kennedy was Jesse Jackson. Unfortunately, I disagreed with almost everything he said. That talent made him neither a good politician nor a good human being.

    tw: face. Two-faced.

  70. mRed says:

    Algore

    The Reverend

    Howie

    What a passion parade.

  71. McGehee says:

    The political landscape could use a few more Deans out there; Democrat, Republican or otherwise.

    Yup, I’m all in favor of a target-rich environment.

    […]

    What?

  72. Warlock says:

    Warlock: If by passion, you mean that Dean might actually have believed what he was saying at one time, okay, I’ll buy it.

    Precisely. Not only did he believe what he had to say, he had energy behind it that was somewhat infectious.

    TW: I have yet to see a good Presidential candidate, on either side, for ‘08.

  73. The best lask all conviction while the worst are full of pasionate intensity.—W.B. Yeats

    Passion is no ordinary word, ain’t manufactured or just another sound that you hear at night.—Graham Parker

    Out in the fashion show, down in the bargain bin, you put your passion out under the pressure pin. Fall into submission, hit-and-run transmission, no use wishing now for any other sin.  Pump it up until you can feel it.  Pump it up when you don’t really need it.—Declan Patrick Aloysius MacManus

    Turing word: college

  74. Brett says:

    First rule of politics in the Internet age:

    When your opponents say something stupid, hand them a megaphone.

    Cautionary Corrollary:

    If your opponents have just handed you a megaphone, shut up.

  75. guinsPen says:

    BECAUSE OF THE INSANITY !!!

  76. J. Brenner says:

    “The only problem with seeing Dean as a Rove plant is that you start seeing pretty much everyone in the Democrat party, except Joe Lieberman and maybe a few others, as Rove plants.”

    Meg, you are probably correct in having a low opinion of the lot of them (I briefly held out hope for Biden until his ugly, arrogant performance during the Alito hearings).  However, I think Dean stands out for what really seems to be an viceral, all-consuming, irrational anger that should send voters heading the other direction – kind of like they would avoid a guy on the train that was muttering to himself.  Obviously, my Dean as Rove plant theory was facetious, but I really don’t see how the Republicans could have picked a better man.

  77. ahem says:

    Okay, I finally figured it out:

    “The Israelis know that if the Iraqis or the Iranians tried to get me to do Joan Rivers, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton

  78. Great Mencken's Ghost! says:

    the Northern Irish and the IRA

    Anybody else want to tell him?

    Has anybody told the Democrats their Chairman is drinking in the office?

    “The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton

    Note how, with typical Clinton sophistication and nuance, he neglects to mention on which side.

    But Clinton has already made his contribution to ME peace.  The rockets being fired into Israel are being launched from land he persuaded them to ‘Return’….

  79. Great Mencken's Ghost! says:

    Passion is no subsitute for reason, principle and consistency, all of which Dean utterly lacks.

  80. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    If passion was the deciding factor, George Wallace would have been a two-term president for the Democrats.

  81. John "Akatsukami" Braue says:

    do ANY of you think that the Dems would be doing more to capture Osama than Bush?

    Yep.  Because once they caught him, they’d say, “OK, we got him!  War’s over; all the troops can come home!  Hamas, Hizbullah, al-Qaida, the Taliban, Saddam, A. Q. Khan—screw ‘em, this was a war to make the world safe from Osama, not those lightweights who just murder a few Jews or gays or anybody who looks at them.  We got Osama and…oops, shit, we did forget to Mirandize him, didn’t we?  Well, it’s a bad bust, got to let him go—but we had him for ten or fifteen seconds.”

    In fact, they’d say the same thing if we caught him now.  Which is why we still don’t have Osama; Bush isn’t nearly as stupid as, say, Kerry.

  82. Sean M. says:

    Anybody remember this blast from the past:

    “I’ve resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found,” Dean said. “I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials. So I’m sure that is the correct sentiment of most Americans, but I do think if you’re running for president, or if you are president, it’s best to say that the full range of penalties should be available. But it’s not so great to prejudge the judicial system.”

    Strong.  Smart.  Layers.

  83. wishbone says:

    If passion was the deciding factor, George Wallace would have been a two-term president for the Democrats.

    Dammit GMG, QUIT stealing my lines…

  84. lee says:

    “The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton

    Of course, it depends on what the meaning of the word “personally” is…

    Damn, I thought I had a good snark, but Great Mencken’s Ghost, with the “which side” line, makes me feel awkward and impotent.  shut eye

    TW:I have been out-snarked

  85. narciso says:

    I swear, if Dean were any stupider they’d have to water him. But what else can we expect from someone who switched churches over a dispute over

    a bike path. I’ve posted in the past, about the

    nature of the Northwest Frontier of Pakistan, particularly the British experience in that region

    1846-1946; particular attention must be paid to their experience in Waziristan (3rd Afghan War as

    well as the quest for the Fakir; the 1930s predecessor of Bin Laden, who died in his sleep

    in 1961. Besides opening up a faux dialogue with

    the Iranian mullahs (the same who worked with AQ

    agents to blow up the Khobar Towers, looking away

    as China and Russia sold Iran (& Syria)increasing large quantities of equipment like the Silkworm missile, which were later refined into the Fagr and Shehab 1-2-3 series of missiles, at least two of these are now on display in places like Haifa

    and Nazareth as well as the AQ Khan collaboration in Libya as well as Iran. Humoring Arafat’s byzantine mobocracy, as statesmanship; as well as

    the North Korean model; I mean, what the hell’s wrong the man; or Joe “I’m Neil Kinnock” Biden,

    that was an embarassing performance yesterday; the man who whined because one dared trample with his beloved FISA act; which was premised

    on the idea; that the Federal security services

    are more dangerous than terrorists and spies.

  86. Robert says:

    Deb Frisch would vote Dhimmicratic….LOL!

  87. MaDr says:

    I know I long for the long gone days of Clinton diplomacy and National Security vigilance:

    Israel/Palestinian – leads to the 2nd infitada and ultimely to Hamas superiority.

    NK – provided taxpayer support so NK could complete their nuclear program.

    China – sold satellite AND supporting technology so China now has not only MIRV capability, but accuracy to rival ours.

    Iran – on the brink of breaking out

    Libya – nada

    AK – nada

    Pakistan – nada

    India – nada

    Somalia – retreat and islamist controlled today.

    Rwanda – worked 24/7 to bring the Hutus and Tutsi together.

    Kosovo and the Balkans – couldn’t get a UN resolution, but wound up leading a smaller (contributing) coalition than Bush in Iraq.

    Lebanon – who?

    Sudan – who?

    Iraq? – ha

    Syria – who?

    I’m tired (and my brain hurts)

  88. Swen Swenson says:

    Let’s try this:

    Yeeeaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!!

    […]

    Yup, that was passionate. smirk

  89. Spiny Norman says:

    Rusty,

    “moral highground” That’s gotta be some obscure Monte Python skit.

    Semaphore version of Wuthering Heights?

    TW: it may be far too late for a punchline…

  90. Karl says:

    it may be far too late for a punchline…

    Nope.

    DINSDALE!!!

  91. Matt, Esq. says:

    If I’m the RNC, I’m going to put together a montage of Howard Dean’s quotes and run them as much as possible during the election cycle.  Democrats get away with making this crap up because the press lets them get away with it.

    Why not “Really want to vote for a democratic candidate in 06? Listen to what DNC chairman Howard Dean had to say about XYZ…”

    Clip One “I hate republicans”

    Clip Two “Its israel’s fault”

    Clip Three “Watermelon and Chicken !!!”

    Clip Four “Red Staters are too stupid to understand whats going on”

    Call the commercial “Howard’s Greatest Hits”.

  92. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Great moments in actual quote history:  Heard over the Clinton breakfast table:

    ““The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.”—Bill Clinton”

    “You fucking Jew bastard!” — Hillary Clinton

  93. eLarson says:

    Oh… I hate when I come to these late.  I might have missed it, but according to my card I was one “SMART” away from a BINGO!

  94. Nathan says:

    Conservatives often respond to this kind of bluster by pointing out, as Jeff does, that our position in world affairs is far more moral than it has been since at least the end of the Cold War. This is certainly correct, but it misses the central point: Democrats actually believe groups like Haamas and Hezbollah will behave differently if we possess the moral high ground! As if they are going to cast down their eyes and their arms when confronted with a righteous frown!

    Which raises the question: how much naieve navel-gazing can we tolerate in what claims to be a serious political party?

  95. Spade says:

    Great Mencken’s Ghost!, yeah I noticed the “Northern Irish”/”IRA” comment too. Great grasp of the conflict there he has.

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