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THAT’s not a real e-mail!
You’re some kind of…some kind of…some kind of satirist!
I knew there was something fishy about this site.
Wait, have I been hoodwinked? Is this one of them info ops, you think?
I demand an investigation.
I smell Rove!
I looked it up. Uranus is expanding which means that you are very vulnerable right now. I suggest you stockpile fresh underwear. Lot’s of fresh underwear. Also, if you see a skinny little vulcan looking twerp nosing around be very careful. I have it on excellent authority that he does not, I repeat does not provide reach arounds. He may appear harmless like a actor in a mentos commercial. Don’t be fooled.
There’s a reason why we’ve never seen Markos and Jeff in the same room, isn’t there?
HOMOPHOBE!!!
– So does this operation have DNC/Dean santion, or is Markos acting as his own AIC now and running himself, because you know, thats like a counter-counter double agent thing. But more to the point, has Hamsher shaved her legs yet…..
TW: Maybe Rather could come out of retirement and cover the Kos “fake but accurate” memo story….
– Hmmm… McGehee, I thought exploring Uranus was a Wonkette thing……
Did you notice the look on that Ned Lamont guy’s face in that commercial? Getting support from the Kos does not come without strings. The “intitiation” ceremony, I have it on good authority, is based on prison new guy initiations. Its not that Kos likes sodomizing people and then forcing them to toss his salad its just what has to be done (at least thats what he tells everybody). That’s why you never see Jeff or any other sane person in the same room with him. He’s crazy.
If it’s homophobic not to want to be anally raped by Spocks cousin then I am the most homophobic person alive today. In fact I grow more and more homophobic everyday.
Oh my… to Helen Thomas? shudder
If it had “SECRET” stamped on the top and bottom we wouldn’t be seeing it here, we’d be seeing it on the front page of the New York Times.
They just can’t help themselves.
There is something strangely familiar about a so-called “people-powered†movement that has a cadre of message-managers who, just by coincidence, decide who “belongs†and who doesn’t based on self-referential political attitudes.
But unlike groups in the past, today’s “progressives†are without anything that could be called a philosophy. They are a pastiche movement which retains the extreme political tactics of former movements without any of the ideas. Their only drive is the hatred they have for any group that stands between them and power, and their only weapon is controlling the dissemination of Buzzwords, unleashing paranoid and delusional arguments, and deflecting criticisms of their intellectually empty movement.
This elite email network is a symptom of more serious problems within the “progressive†movement.
TW:people
irony is a four-letter word
Priceless…great stuff…
DAMMIT GOLDSTEIN!
You’re doing the work of the Republican National Committee!
*er*
You’re doing the work of the Lieberman-loving neocon New Republic, er, the DLC, er–
HALLIBURTON! ROVE! CHENEY!
Always knew PROTEIN stood for Propaganda by Red Operatives on Task to Eviscerate and Infiltrate the Nation
;p
Always knew Dr. Vic stood for nothing.
Bravo, Jeff! I’d love to see how Kos would react to knowing his super duper really honestly I double dog dare you secret operation has been exposed.
If I were evil, I’d type it up and put it on my blog to spread the word.
If this keeps up, I wonder how long it will be before the nutroots start thinking Kos himself is a Rovian plant.
Given that the current new crew over there is all-male, you could be right.
I didn’t receive a copy of that e-mail so that proves it’s false. Besides, I question the timing.
I can’t link it but David Brooks had a beauty in the NYTimes today about Kos entitled “Meet the New Kingpin, Same as the Old Kingpin.” He has morphed into everything he has ever despised (allegedly). What a fucking tool.
I can see for “miles” and “miles”…….
Knock me down with a feather! Dr. Vic made a funny – seriously, a decently funny remark by the good Doc. A little bit of shattered faith in humanity has been glued (or should I say pasted) back together.
Zengerle over at TNR just admitted the Gilliard e-mail was misattributed. Which is neat because that’s actually more than Gilliard did with all his “I may have made a similar statement” waffling…
Jane Hamsher should be coming by and threatening to sue Jeff any minute now.
ER, I can’t read it.
Wass it say?
Great Mencken’s Ghost dishonestly asserts: Zengerle over at TNR just admitted the Gilliard e-mail was misattributed. Which is neat because that’s actually more than Gilliard did with all his “I may have made a similar statement†waffling…
Uh, no. Zengerle admits the Gilliard email, as Greenwald said all along, is not authentic, not merely “misattributed” (my emphasis):
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=22517
I know it is just killing y’all, but Greenwald was right.
I admit that Mona is both “not authentic” and “misattributed.”
Mona – to claim that Zengerle’s post proved Greenwald “right” is a little premature, to say the least. Especially given what Zengerle has to say both before and after the excerpt you provide…
…not to mention “fake.”
However, I hold firmly to my contention that Mona is not accurate.
Hmmmmm.
@ Mona
Really?
Funny how Gillard stated for the record that the email accurately represented his views.
Fake but accurate. Still a lefty thing.
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I don’t know.
When Karl Rove comes out with his secret memos, they seem much more clear and lucid and, frankly, better-planned.
Maybe it’s just that he’s had more practice, or maybe he’s just better at it.
I mean, Karl’s memo would have said the same thing in half the space. And, he would have clearly indicated individual responsibilities and milestones.
These guys are amateurs.
Glenn Greenwald was especially right about this:
However non-substantively answering the story seems to have been the course of choice.
Karl Rove: Markos, I am your father!
Kos: AAAAAUUUGGGHH! NONONONONONONONONONO….
So what’s this got to do with Karl Rove–who is a very smart man–getting Osama Bin Laden to endorse John Kerry for president?
Did I miss something?
I almost bought it, but then I realized it’s entirely too well-written to be authentic.
I think this casts Darth Rove in the wrong role. He’s more the Sidious type.
Kos:</i> “I’ll never turn to the Right side.”
<b>Rove (secretly pleased): “So be it, Lefti.”
And then out comes the lightning from his fingertips, except that first he fries Kos’ Righth Lord father. None of this, “I’ll grab you from behind and throw you down the shaft” nonsense. Darth Rove learns from other Sith Lords’ mistakes.
I think I found the missing </i> tag from the other thread…
As I pointed out over at Just One Minute the new lefty meme is no longer going to be “16 words”. Now it’s “22 words.”
The “fiercely independent” lefty blogs have a private e-mail forum where they coordinate their “fiercely independent” talking points? 22 WORDS!
Kos really did try to pressure them, apparently successfully in many cases, into ignorning the Jerome Armstrong farce? 22 WORDS!
Jerome Armstrong really is a star-twiddling stock swindler banned from trading for life by the SEC, who is now instead soliciting political donations online and maybe even paying them out? 22 WORDS!
Has anyone ever seen me in the same room with anyone else?
TW: yet
We all owe Jeff money. Lots of it.
TW:earth
Salt and all that.
Mona —
Your conservative / libertarian hero was on a Kos insiders list.
Chew on that for a while.
Then chew on the fact that nobody cares if the Gilliard email was misattributed. Greenwald has been playing this red herring all weekend.
The fact is, Kos wanted this story starved of oxygen. Gilliard said the email matched his views. The story went uncommented on by lefty blogs (and—as long as we’re making demands for revealing sources, howsabout you ask Glenn to reveal the names on the Townhouse list? Then we can look at how many of them mentioned the Kos/JA SEC story after the Kos email went out).
It’s sad to see you still defending this guy—who owes all his traffic and notoriety to Kos and a few others. That he’s still shilling for them is beyond sad, as far as I’m concerned.
And as this post was meant to show, we’re not going to be distracted by Greenwald’s hopping around like a monkey, trying to change the subject. I’ll take Zerlenge’s word over Greenwald’s any day of the week.
Newsweek apparently got a forward of some emails as well:
Cobain and Che, indeed. Wonkette was quite prescient.
yes, he is “some sort” of satirist. A bad one. The jobs of the comedy writers at The Daily Show appear to be safe.
It’s all too much. Must go to bed.
Lest the real Gilliard sentiment get washed down the memory, recall his post:
Question: did Greenwald confirm anything with Zerlenge before he post his piece?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
But back to Gilliard:
Good question. Did Gilliard ask Michael Steele if he tap dances and likes him some mistrel shows before photoshopping him in “Sambo” getup?
Well, Foer apparently was familiar with the sourcing and is not going to be doing any firing. Which puts an end to the “whole cloth fabulist” thing.
Which brings us right back to where we started before Greenwald tried the red herring: why the secret mailing list? What was it’s purpose? Who is on it? How much influence did Kos have over the leftosphere?
Beyond that, there’s the whole Kos / Armstrong confluence. As I noted in an earlier post, Kos probably did nothing wrong.
But for me, this story was always about controlling the narrative.
Until the astrology stuff popped up, that is. Because that’s just too fucking funny.
You could ask Hackett in Ohio whether Kos and Armstrong did anything wrong…
Deep mysteries of the universe:
1. Dark matter/dark energy
2. Black holes
3. Why the hell people always pepper discussions of the Kostards with the word “power.”
So, Jeff, are you saying that you too oppose astrology?
Is this a part of conservative’s war on science?
wishbone, according to ‘Kos, his stint in the army bulked him up to 153 lbs.
If that doesn’t just climb the highest mountain and scream “POWER!”, I don’t know what does.
ugh, that just makes me feel even fatter…. thanks.
So, Jeff, are you saying that you too oppose astrology?
Is this a part of conservative’s war on science?
Or perhaps the war on prescience?
What amuses me is that they’re so concerned about Zengerle’s “accuracy,” when I can go visit the DKos site and find just mountains of bullshit. And I’m not talking about random comments, either.
Bullshit is, in fact, the left’s entire stock in trade.
Uh, Jeff…he was spying for us! Duh!
It’s just in being such a upright spy, he had to run any information he gathered on the townhouse list through a FISA judge.
And by FISA judge, I mean deli clerk.
“Sir! I’m not going to keep slicing this headcheese if all you are going to do is tell me about Steve Gulli-whatsit and not pay for anything!”
tw: zebra, eek, it’s on to me!!!
Ding, ding, ding! A WINNER!
the spice must flow…
by the way, seixon has some interesting thoughts on this Gilliard issue.
and if the progressives feel their coordinated efforts are something of a “townhouse”, what can we call our fictional mirror list on the right? “top floor penthouse for which to look down upon the little people living their little lives trying desperately to win the game that we cruely force them to play and change the rules of at a whim for mere entertainment”?
Or would that be too long?
tw: few, as in fewer words?
Did Gilliard ask Michael Steele if he tap dances and likes him some mistrel shows before photoshopping him in “Sambo†getup?
Is this Gilliard character like one of the proverbial crabs that pulls any other crab that get’s near to escaping the bucket back down?
a: You’re just jealous
Helen Thomas? Punishment, indeed. The other two, presumably, being, uh, Cindy Sheehan and, uh, John Murtha.
b, YOU LEAVE LITTLE a ALONE!
So how are they going to deal with traitors?
This is like watching a traffic accident. It happens faster than it looks. It could have been prevented. It’s got to hurt.
Ah well, couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
Is Townhouse Inner Sanctum a, y’know, polite reference to the toilet?
The Townhouse part of the story takes me back to my college days—these people remind me of those earnest perpetual grad students, decked out in their Che-wear and loudly misuing economics terminology. They’ve grown up to be blogger-activists, I guess. This story reminds me of how much I have always hated those little fuckers.
But the astrology bit adds an element of retro-kitsch that I really wasn’t expecting. The New Left has always had a wierd love affair with New Age neo-hippy crap, but it’s usually couched in terms of Tibetan, karmic, zen, Pacific Rim, semi-Buddhist crap-ola. This tarot-and-zodiac stuff is so Old School. Madame Jerome needs to update his schtik.
You guys are amazing. Just amazing. It’s always a conspiracy, isn’t it? The Evil Media working together to undermine the President. Now it’s an Evil Blog Empire conspiring to undermine the President. It could never happen that Greenwald gets his audience by virtue of his clear, concise, and engaging writing, could it? It could never be that he’s come up with a strong hypothesis (the Bush admin’s defining characteristic is its executive power hunt) for which supporting facts keep emerging, could it? It certainly couldn’t be that the guy’s articulating what many others are thinking, could it?
Naaah. He’s just a Markos slave, part of the robo-sphere, a maroon, a “monkey.” He’s got nuttin’. And now the war-o-sphere comes piling on, just as he predicted, and as soon as he comes up with evidence contradicting what his opponents have been slinging for days, people ignore it or start calling him names.
Jeff, you could take some lessons from Glenn.
Beet,
Over at the Commisar’s place Mona maintians that this secret list is filled wiht bloggers, journalists, etc.
It seems to me that what Jeff is asking is what journalists are doing on a list of Kos operatives, and how that membership effects the way they cover the news.
If we knew who those memebers were we could simply go back and look at their articles or reports and compare them with the Kos talking points.
That’s not hawking any particular conspiracy theory. It is simply asking that journalists honstly represent themselves to the folks they report to. Why do you oppose that?
Bullshit is, in fact, the left’s entire stock in trade.
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Weapons of mass destuction
We will be greeted as liberators
Drones of death
Dead-enders
The invasion will pay for itself
yellowcake
mission freakin accomplished!
You were saying something about bullshit?
You guys are now touting “fake but accurate?”
Where’s Alice? It’s tea time . . .
Barf,
The question here is should journalists join the Daily Kos talking points factory, and if they do should they tell the folks they report to about it? Do you have a postion on that? Apparently Beet has decided to take a powder. Oh, and you forgot, “NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!!”
Actually, it was Gilliard who was pushing the “fake but accurate” thing. To Greenwald.
Most of us don’t really give a rat’s ass about Gilliard’s email one way or the other. That was never the point—at least not for me.
But do me a favor. See if you can get Greenwald to release the names on the Townhouse list. I’d like to check those against their blogs / columns and see if any of them defied the Kos dictate and mentioned the story. Because I know of several blogs who deleted any COMMENTS that mentioned the story—in addition to “starving the story of oxygen”.
Oh, how they do so go that extra mile for Kos. And why not? He’s their path to becoming progressive power players.
A four-bagger Jeff.
I want the names of the journo’s on that list.
Now.
Thanks, barfly, for dropping a steaming load that makes my point.
As for the topic of the post, Gilliard’s the “fake but accurate” guy on this one, not me.
I could give a crap about Kos, to tell you the truth, but I find it amusing that his astrologer partner and he are squirming a bit. Couldn’t happen to two more deserving guys.
Which Civil War general said, after US Grant’s funeral, “Even in the middle of a battle, I never had to read one of his orders twice.”
There’s no better complement for a writer, I think.
Oh yes, Beet. It’s always a conspiracy with us. Like, for instance, the idea we had that there was a leftwing blog cabal sharing emails with one another about what stories to push, what points to hit, etc.
Which we now know was indeed the case—but so what? Greenwald wanted to make an issue out of something nobody cared about and is now demanding apologies from people who never said what he’s claiming they said.
Go ahead. Look through my site. Show me where I declared on the Gilliard email, other than to say he seemed to send out mixed signals. Which I linked to for others to decide.
Greenwald is demanding apologies? Well, sorry. I don’t answer to the demands of other bloggers. Unlike some Kos listserv puppets I can name.
Hope he was wearing a cup.
Mwahahahahahahahahaha
Incidentally, what is Greenwald’s evidence supposed to show? There is no dispute over the validity of the first two emails, yes? There is no dispute over the validity of the Kos email asking everyone on the list to starve the story of oxygen, yes?
So reveal the names on the list and let’s see who dared mention anything about the story after Kos told them not to.
Worse than that, why were they deleting comments that broached the subject?
Keep trying to shift attention, Beet. But the fact remains, Greenwald was on that “strategy” list. Assimilate that info as you see fit. I certainly have.
Jeff, you should publish Kos’ and Greenwald’s and Gilliard’s names, their spouse’s names and their places of employment on every thread on your blog until they release the names on the Townhouse list! That’s the smart, mature, and dare I say it? Online Integrity way to go.
Isn’t that what you just did, nate-dogg?
Or are you trying to make a clever allusion to my repeatedly publishing the names of Dr Andrew Haggerty and Dr Mary Donnelly of Broome Community College?
Because if you’ll notice, I only do that when people like you show up here and make little snarky comments like you did just now.
I’m sure Drs Haggerty and Donnelly, and the entire English Department at Broome Community College (read: 4 rooms in the adult learning annex) thank you for your continued attempts to bait me.
Beautiful.
Ooooh, Glenn’s on a “list”! How scary! How terrifying! How incriminating!
Here’s a lesson I learned in a post-communist nation: never trust anyone who wanders around waving “lists.” People used to come up with secret police informer lists and insider lists and so on that were inflammatory but proved nothing. Why? Because anybody can get on a list. Means nothing. What matters is what people do.
Which brings us to Glenn. So he’s on a “strategy list.” Big fucking deal. Are you on a list or two? Do YOU do everything the list tells you to do? Can you prove that Greenwald or anyone else changed their story or their coverage because some list told them to?
No, you can’t. Because even if the story got “starved of oxygen,” there’s no way you can prove the cause of that starvation. Marching to Kos’ orders? Independently convinced that the story is bullshit? You can’t tell the difference by looking at some list.
Now, your metanarrative will force many readers here to conclude otherwise, those readers being slaves to the notion that all things they don’t like (fuckups in Iraq, global warming, Greenwald) are the product of an evil conspiracy. There’s no room in the story for independent thinkers independently coming to conclusions (Iraq’s a mess, the globe is warming, Greenwald’s theory about executive power explains a lot about Bush).
Face it, Jeff. Greenwald’s successful because he presents a compelling thesis for which abundant evidence accumulates on a near-daily basis. Not only that, he stands out as one of the few bloggers whose thesis frees him from typical left-right mumbo-jumbo. He’s demonstrated an allegiance to the Constitution and the nation’s founding principles that has won him many supporters from all political stripes, and he manages to make his arguments concisely, transparently, and without descending into personal invective or sing-song tra-la-la cock-talk bullshit.
The underlying belief here apparently is that he owes his success to the Great Conspiracy, embodied by Kos. It could never be on merit, his success. It’s only part of the evil machine, the conspirators.
After all, he was on the list!!!!!
Pathetic. Jeff, like I said, you could learn a few things from Glenn. But I do believe you’re jealous.
Jeez, Beat!
Take a chill pill.
The underlying belief here is that this whole flail is delightfully funny, and it’s got you guys sending your underwear to the cleaners twice a day.
I can sum it up in one word: B-U-U-S-S-T-E-D