Dearest Glenn —
I hear you’ve been demanding an apology from me. Evidently, you believe I unfairly taunted you for your attempt to turn a story about a secret progressive message pipeline into a story about a single email that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on Kos’s “suggestion” that an unflattering story be starved of oxygen (the implications of which I discussed here).
Well, sorry. But my independent spirit won’t allow me to cave to the “demands” of other bloggers. I’ll leave that to those of you on the Townhouse list. Rumor has it you guys are experts!
Sincerely,
protein wisdom
P.S. How do you feel about revealing the names of those on the Townhouse email list? Because it sure would be groovy to see how many of them mentioned the story after Kos suggested you bury it like so many Hussein-era Iraqi marsh Arabs.
P.P.S. Have you spoken yet with Mr Maguire? He has an apology for you, too.
… and the horse you rode in on.
Twice. In the left ear.
… with no goodnight kiss.
It’s fascinating how he tries to wriggle out of it.
Jason Zengerle attributed an email to Steve Gilliard. That attribution is incorrect.
Therefore:
1) This email is fabricated.
2) All the emails are fake.
3) Jason Zengerle is a complete fraud.
4) There is no Townhouse email list.
5) There was no attempt to suppress the Kosola story.
6) None of this ever happened.
7) Nothing to see; go about your business.
I thought the “astrology-based community” believed in “fake but accurate”.
SW: expect. What did you? Frankly, this spam word generator has been on a roll, lately.
We want to see them.
(NSFW)
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere…
Gee, this apology thing just doesn’t seem to come naturally…
“Demand” in one hand, and shit in the other.
See which one fills up first.
As good old Duncan might say, “Glenn, baby, you are Wanker of the Day. Of cours, rumor has it that there may not be much of a wank to speak of, so to speak….
Shorter Gilliard:
Which is okay.
I think Zengerle mea culpa’ed his way through the ‘Sorry, I didn’t check with Gilliard, my bad’ part of the story just fine.
I’m just grateful that Gilliard hasn’t played the race card …
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yet.
Kos and Greenwald frolicking topless on the beach would be a sight to behold. I hear Greenwald is stacked.
we really shouldn’t “take down” kos and armstrong.
they’re our best secret weapons.
by forcing the dems and the msm to the left, they are marginlizing them.
result?
we win.
so: START PRAISING KOS AND ARMSTRONG AS VISIONARIES.
I’m not interested in marginalizing them. I just want to know which journos kiss Kos’s ring before they write their stories. I have no problem with them doing that, of course, to each his own. I just think we should know which way they are shading the facts.
Glenn? What’s that sticky stuff all over the r4ight side of your face?
Glenn?
What are you, deaf!?
“Facts” is stretching it a bit, corvan.
This is so funny. Once again Jeff outwits a leftist to leave them in apoplectic, sputtering outrage.
His ability to do this has been commented on before. Here is a humorous look at the leftist mind.
It wouldn’t be an Instalanch without the requisite comment spam from that sucky Futurist blog.
I missed something here. What’s the backstory? I’ve been trying to follow it, but between that and the World Cup, I get confused. What is the beef between Mssrs. Glenwald and Goldstein?
BumperStickerist  There’s a race that would have him?
“Want in one hand and shit in the Other”
That is a classic bit of “southern wisdom”. My father told me that many years ago and when I used it on my own kids they said “ D-Daddy really said THAT” .
He now thinks it wasn’t wise to say that to a child.
cynnm,
Kos and his crew of loons got caught in some major hypocrisy. Greenwald has misrepresented the facts in a transparently dishonest attempt to duck the mess on his own shoes and fake a defense of Kos.
In other words, same ol’ same ol’.
Help me out again here – this is the razor-sharp reasoning skills that made Greenwald such a high-flying attorney?
Not so much passing the bar, as lowering the bar, maybe.
Yeah, the Kultists with their marching orders, like Glenn Greenwald and that ridiculously sheep-like Lindsey Beyerstein, have just been trying to keep people’s eyes off the ball. Obviously.
IMHO there is something to the Kosola story that reveals corruption. Check out this take on what happened to Hacket, written by a Democrat: http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/node/1768
But yeah, the Townhouse Kultists wanna divert everyone’s eyes…..
Cain’t we all jes get along?
Really? Good old Duncan say’s more than “OPEN TEH THREAD”?
LostKos and The Moonbat Quartet…now playing…
That’s just a result of the aspect of Sedna that’s inhibiting the confluence of Mars being in Lobo and Jupiter being in the rumpus room of the Fifth Dimension minus Billy Davis, Jr.–who always rode Mariyln McCoo’s coattails anyway.
See, Glenn, this aimless “look over there” crap is easy if you just let the words come.
We’ve gone beyond comedy gold. This is comedy paltinum or diamond or mithril or something…
I haven’t had this much fun since Rathergate.
are you looking for answers regarding this go-around, or the whole torrid affair?
Funny part, Glenn wrote originally
So his little look over here magic trick, even contradicts the central premise of his email pleading with Townhouse– which was to respond to charges– and falls in line with Kos’s dictate starve the story of oxygen…
So by proxy he furthers his projectionist Authoritarian Cult meme ala TownHouse that he originally intended for conservatives…hilarious.
BYW…who was the other authentic email from?
Glenn dearest,
BOHICA! And don’t expect a courtesy reach ar…oh, you know!
Glenn’s response is as predicatable as the tides: turn one mistake/misstep (in this case, the fake email) into a means of avoiding substantive questions. He’s going to go on and on about it, as will Gilliard (“Zengerle hasn’t handled this well”), while their fellow bloggers remain obediently silent. Zengerle assembled enough information, aside from the questionable email, to put Kos and Townhouse under a harsh light. Let’s keep it there, while amusing ourselves with his self-serving indignation.
also
Isn’t telling that A- Kos didn’t do what he did before and B- if he forgot take a minion’s in the TH of love ladder– Greenwald—advice?
Now my life is a hideous montage of humiliation and shame.
— Invader Zim
SB: time
wounds all heels
I guess the lefties are doing their best to starve this post of oxygen…fiercely independent, strong heros!
Nemo,
Sucky? That blog was one of the best I have ever seen. It was a great bonus to stumble upon it like that.
You’re not jealous, are you?
Gee, this apology thing just doesn’t seem to come naturally…
Posted by Tom Maguire
Maguire;
Why don’t you comment on Greenwalds site?
Why do you run and hide when he comments on yours?
Stop skulking around the friendlies and grow some stones you diminutive Instapusillanimous!
Why do you and Reynolds refuse a ‘live’ debate with Greenwald? Maybe if Jeff Gallstone joined
your team. Would three against one be enough to
erase your shrinkage?
“Debate.”
What is there to debate in this instance, Semanticleo? Above, Jay captured your hero’s postion perfectly:
There again, as my grandfather used to say, “It takes an idiot to argue with one.”
I’m stopping now. Get it.
Hint: It begins with “I” and describes you and the rest of sooooper secret cabal.
Seman…you aren’t making sense and most of the posters here are unaquanted so try not to be so “inside”
So… Semanticleo…enquiring minds want to know…how much does Greenwald pay you to do this? Or Townhouse…what’’s the budget? Or do they just let you be in on TH and that’s enough for you…cheapie like.
Don’t hurt him, Jeff! Just slap him in the face with your cock a few times.
Topsec;
No one pays me, it is a labor or pure love.
No debate necessary. In the words of Woodrow Wilson: “Never murder a man who is committing suicide.”
Oh…that’s what they say…but what’s really weird is that your whore yourself while’s they go for steak.
Now Greenwald wants a “live debate”? Sorry to trot out an old saw, but the dude really is a glutton for punishment.
Just what is it that Kos offers these people – or holds over their heads?
Or Dana…do you do it because it’s just sorta academic?
Jay you claim Greenwald made these points:
To refute each;
1) True, he does assert one of the emails was never sent to the Townhouse email list.
2) Utter Bullshit. Greenwald never said every email was fake. He never claimed his own email was forged , for instance.
3) He claimed that Zengerle failed to check with his source (Gilliard) to verify his sources information. Kind of a basic journalistic responsibility. Hence, he didn’t call him a total fraud, just a shoddy journalist—something that seems pretty independently verifiable in this case.
4) Again utter crap. Greenwald not only never claimed there was no Townhouse email list, but expressly states that Gilliards e-mail never appeared there. Where does this even come from?
5) Unless there is another email somewhere (you know— a REAL one) that shows suppression of this story by another member of Advertising Liberally who wanted to write about it, the allegation that Kos suppressed stories is completely baseless. No blogger attempted to write about Kos/Armstrong and was punished by Kos that we know of. Until there is, you are making things up. All we know is that Kos asked other bloggers not to write about this. It’s embarassing for him. Of course he would ask this.
Your final two “points” simply extend your fantastic scenario as far off into the horizon as you can fly.
It appears that Tom in Tx has learned well… one might even say, kneeling before Greenwald.
An excellent rejoinder to the points I raised bains—I’m impressed you are able to address the issue rather than make pointless gay jokes.
And I’m not kneeling before Glenn; my check is in the mail from Kos currently.
Hey Maybee,
I guess this makes Semanticleo a breast man:
Haven’t you heard?
You just can’t make this shit up.
Tom Rather? I thought his name was Dan.
I also thought the Three Stooges were dead. Obviously, I am mistaken.
I find the moniker “Semanticleo” to be eerily close to “Miss Cleo.”
Psychic lady, you drive me crazy
With your video voodoo, and your beehive hairdo
Like a genie in a bottle, you’re livin’ in my TV set.
Tom in Tx: if Kos successfully suppressed the story (and it appears that he did), small wonder that no one tried to write about it and was “punished,” no?
Greenwald is simply dodging the main issue. Zengerle has already issued a correction, so perhaps we could get back to it. It would be interesting to know who the journalists are who are on the Townhouse list, as Corvan has noted elsewhere.
For those who dont frequent Tom MaGuire’s site, Semanticleo, who everyone over there including finally Tom call semanticlown, is the resident site cockroach. He constantly tries to get whatever the current post off to whatever little leftie fantasy delusion he happens to be having that day/hour.
As to the debate, with all the challenges he/she/it seems to make, you would actually think one had been issued from Greenwad. Turns out this seems to be his bit of fantasy football.
In short, semanticlown is more aggressive actus and you know what to do.
Back to the orginal topic. I still find it odd that journalists would want to be in a secret club with political activists. the association seems to indicate that they are interested in something other than simply reporting the news.
Keep in mind that Gilliard touts his ethics training in Journalism class at NYU. He’s got mad ethics. Mad NYU Journalism ethics, yo.
semanticleo is simply supporting Glen Greenwald’s point, which is the same as the general argument of the Left: Rightists are enormously smarter than Leftists and always know everything that’s going on in deep detail. Therefore any error by a rightist is a deliberate fabrication, a lie, because they always know better, and it completely invalidates their argument. Leftists, on the other hand, are encouraged to lie because they are stupid and ill-informed, and thereby privileged to make things up from the whole cloth regardless of history, plausibility, or the laws of physics, none of which they are obliged to acknowledge, much less comprehend. Such statements then become the moral and political truth.
Regards,
Ric
tw: analysis. I stand by that one.
Anyone seen what Billmon is saying about this? Classic stuff!
Another willing Kos sock puppet heard from.
To get to the bottom of this, once and for all, we need to take things one step further—in addition to revealing the names of all of the Townhouse members, we need to see ALL of the emails, posts and communications pertaining it. The contents of the Townhouse clique must be produced.
The entire listserv. All of it. Everything.
After all, we need to definitively resolve the issue of whether one out of 4 emails was properly attributed. To do that, let’s open up the smoky backroom and let the fresh air in. Let’s see who the players are. Let everyone read ALL of the Townhouse content.
It’s the only way to be sure.
THE ATTRIBUTION OF ONE OUT OF FOUR SECRET E-MAILS COORDINATING THE PROPAGANDA OF THESE “FIERCELY INDEPENDENT” BLOGGERS MUST BE VERIFIED!
Its not just another planet over here, its another dimension.
You all have literally no idea what the hell is going on. Daily Kos is walking all over you guys, steamrolling you, and you think you are winning and outsmarting them?
As soon as a resonable person goes to the actual site of Kos, they understand someone has been lying to them.
lol
Unintentional Truth No. #1,479.
Hey, mickslam, does Kos make you swallow, too?
Why?would?a?reasonable?person?go?to?Kos????
I find that hard to believe, given no reasonable person writes at the actual Kos site.
22 Words! 22 Words!
Hey, Mick!
The “fiercely independent†lefty blogs coordinated their “fiercely independent†posts on Townhouse like teenyboppers trading make-up tips on MySpace. So you’re okay with that?
Kos tried to take advantage of this and the “fiercely independent†lefty bloggers largely went along. So you’re okay with that?
A “fiercely independent†star-twiddling stock swindler is still handling lefty campaign contributions. So you’re okay with that?
And the “fiercely independent†Kos Moulitsas’ loyalties seem to be tied damn tightly to monies sent to his star-twiddling stock swindler buddy. So you’re okay with that?
I went over to the Daily Kos (brave soul that I am).
I hit CTRL-F (for Find in This Page), and typed in the word “Townhouse.”
Nothing came up.
I will not be reading the entire page. My loyalty only goes so far.
Chairman Markos has apparently not seen fit to write something along the lines of: “Here are all the e-mails from Townhouse.”
I have no interest in anything else he might have to say on the subject.
See what I mean?
yep – either lying or delusional.
I guess you all fall into the delusional crowd. You’re pathetic. And I don’t think I’ve ever used that word before in a serious way.
We just happen to be fiercely independant together.
So what?
Shut up.
Does the word “Townhouse” appear on the main page of http://www.dailykos.com or not?
Yes or no?
captjoe;
Assume that handle to be an alias as righties @JOM
admit they slink into other sites with cowardly
anonymity. “You know what to do’ must be some
Rendon Group version of ‘rat-fg, that you
are unaable to accomplish due to your flaccid
cortex. That earlier comment was for the benefit
of Maguire, as he also lacks the DNA to stand upright and behave like a biped. For all the admirers of TM, I think it is appropriate that you
vigorously defend his honor(chuckle).
Did I just witness the birth of a new punctuation device?
Unlike your family pediatrician.
TOPSEC;
You are dying to know who I am, so just ask me.
You betcha. Now you can go watch Dan Rather on 60 Minutes to remind yourself of your track record.
I’m no sock puppet. Just thought Billmon’s explanation of this situation was hilarious, and thought readers here would feel the same. Anyway…
Quick question for some of the regulars here. I’ve been reading the threads at many other blogs, and Mona seems to pop up everywhere, though I guess she does not show up here anymore. Does anyone else see anything “fishy”, for lack of a better term, with that persona? Maybe I’m just being too suspicious, but something has not seemed right since she first showed up here several months ago selling the whole disenchanted Bush voter/Libertarian line. And now at Commissar’s claiming to know details about the Townhouse list?
Kent – kudos!
I think you are the first conservative to ever make me actually laugh with an attempt at humor instead of at them. Ok, prolly that guy ‘Best in Show’ beat you too it, but hes famous!
Many firsts for me today!! I should stop by more often!
Cleo translated into English: Jeff & Tom win, Glenn has lost control of his functions, so I must put up a brave, polysyllabic misdirection front.
Cordially…
P.S. Jeff: This above reference commentor hints that Greenwald is seeking a debate. Considering the small stakes, why not pick up the alleged gauntlet on the condition that GG bring the Townhouse membership list to the conversation. What [Else] Would A Patriot Do?
John – everyone-
Don’t use your regular email here. Really – Its bad. Some people (not me) might use this in a bad way, and spammers fish boards all the time. Get a fake – tis way smarter.
I might enjoy pissing off dorks, but I don’t do bad things – be smart!!
I’m not a sock puppet either. In fact, my Master, Geppetto, says I’m a real boy!
SB: persons
and other entities
What’s your definition of steamrolling? I take it that it has exactly nothing to do with success in the political arena, given that every election held since the inception of dkos has resulted in Republican gains. Are you referring to receiving adoration among leftist sheeple? ‘Cuz that stuff just makes me laugh without feeling the least bit flattened.
And we’ve got the mailing list to prove it.
And while I quake at the sugical incisiveness of your repartée, care to address my other points?
Ah, but you see, some of us aren’t phonies and liars. Where you’re from, you wouldn’t understand that.
nawoods–
I checked out the billmon post, it started well, got lost in the middle. He does have a sharp wit. But Armstrong is just a low rent cheat. Who uses astrology. Seriously, the guy is now and forever a joke to anyone with an IQ over 95 and any intellectual and moral integrity whatsoever.
Per your other query, Mona is a just bandwagoner.
Secrets? E-mails?
Can we get the NYT on this? They should crack it in no-time… oh, wait… no National Security is involved… nevermind…
Still, I hope Jeff’s message leaves a mark! That has *got* to smart!
Ummm…We’re not the ones furiously trying to cover our collective asses after it was revealed that from a slimy smoke-filled, a political coordination committee of leftwing…ahem…”opinion leaders” was whoring themselves to the highest bidder, taking cash in exchange for providing good PR for their chosen candidates while the Kossaks lap up every word of it like the inordinate drones that they are, all with the Kosfather and the Astrologer at the helm. And the emails that prove it, etc.
You know what you’re problem is? Your boys got B U S T E D becoming what they claimed to hate. I know you love it.
You guys are doing great work over there, though. Really. The more you froth and threaten, the more the GOP wins. Keep it up! 0-21 coming this November!
BECAUSE OF THE PARALLELL HALLIBURTON UNIVERSE!!!!11!!!!1!
Phone Tech sez:
I can’t help notice that lefties fear being connected with their online personas whereas those on the right have tended toward dropping the psuedonyms alotogether. Reference Wretchard and the Powerline guys, all of whom “outed” themselves in a bid for the increase in credibility that writing under one’s own name brings.
And then there’s Goldstein…if that is his real name.
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Hi, Thirsty! I miss your blog.
“Ah, but you see, some of us aren’t phonies and liars. Where you’re from, you wouldn’t understand that.”
This is why Daily Kos is steamrolling you all. You don’t even understand the basics. You think I am a liar and a fake – because I use ‘mickslam’!! And manages an attempt at an insult – ‘where I come from’ to boot. If it wasn’t so quaint, I might actually be offended.
Go back to listening to talk radio. These newfangled machines are just too much for you.
Go back to talk radio? What, you mean Air America isn’t “steamrolling” too?
Can’t imagine why.
I think most of them just get off on having a nom de bloguerre, makes them feel like real revolutionaries.
Nawood, Mona is trying to do some false flag recruitment – pretending to be a reasonable libertarian so disillusioned with the current administration that she’ll reluctantly support the Dems. Somewhat successful for Jon Henke over at QandO seems to have developed a hard-on for her. If you read enough of Mona however you find that her views are indistinguishable from your average Dem.
Tom in Tx – I was commenting on just how closely your argument mirrors Greenwald’s, including the attempt to deflect attention away from the real issue, as Jeff notes in the post for this thread, to the manufactured outrage over one false email . One gets the sense that you are trying to please Greenwald.
I like PW a lot but I’m never going to go around pimping myself for Jeff on other sites. It looks degrading.
Is it, Mickslam?
Well, to be fair, if I were you, I’d be ashamed to be linked to the posts I leave as well.
However, since I’m not ashamed of what I say, I don’t mind being associated with it.
That basic enough for you?
“I’m a cement mixer, baby –
a churnin’ urn of burnin’ funk.”
— James Taylor, “Steamroller”
“Sweet Baby James”
SB: room
Y’all stand back now, ‘cause ya might get hurt…
No, I think you’re more of a blowhard. Low grade mental illness…delusions of grandeur… overreliance on emotion over rationality…nothing too terribly serious…for us. For you, it means being a deluded loser though you may continue to view losses as victories which might mitigate your personal pain.
All in all, you’re just the dust bunny that rolled in for the kitties to play with today, and you’re pretty much irrelevant beyond that.
Feel better now?
tw: an army of kitties.
You might want to brush up on that reading comprehension stuff—I’m calling you a fake and a liar because you advocate using fake emails.
Oh, and by the way, keep up that steamroller. So far, it’s put the other side in the White House, given it control of both Houses, and two Supreme Court justices. I mean, we’re begging for mercy here. We really are.
Interesting…since the KosRoots openly allow they are stealing the palybook of the Right Wing Noise machine…fight fire with fire and all that.
“Low grade mental illness…delusions of grandeur… overreliance on emotion over rationality…nothing too terribly serious…for us. For you, it means being a deluded loser though you may continue to view losses as victories which might mitigate your personal pain.”
My pathetic-dar is ringing, Pablo. Were you one of the loser kids that I made fun of in high school? If so, I’ve grown up and should say I am sorry.
“Well, to be fair, if I were you, I’d be ashamed to be linked to the posts I leave as well.”
Great! We would both be ashamed to be linked to your posts! I concur! Do you concur?
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