From Sky News:
A man has been shot by police in an anti-terror raid in London on a suspected chemical bomb factory, Sky News has learnt.
The 20-year-old, who has not been identified, was shot in the shoulder and was arrested in hospital—his life is not in danger.
His 23-year-old brother – both men are of thought to be of Bengali or Pakistani origin—was also arrested at the scene and is in custody.
This morning’s raid involved 250 police officers and both men were arrested on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism.
Police sources told Sky’s Crime correspondent Martin Brunt detectives expect to find a chemical bomb of some kind in the house in Lansdown Road, Forest Gate, east London. They were allegedly being primed for a suspected bomb plot against the UK.
Well, I’ll say it: blowback. Plain and simple.
Because let’s face it: had Britain not joined the “coalition of the willing” (aka, puppets to American hegemony and colonialist ambition) to fight “terrorism” (which, terror is an emotion, and so can’t be fought without declaring war on humanity—the ultimate act of GENOCIDE!), it is likely no terrorism would have been visited upon it. So while I certainly don’t approve of young Bengali/Pakistani men, described by neighbors as “very religious,” preparing chemical weapons to use against “innocent” British civilians (I put “innocent” in quotes because these citizens pay the taxes that fund the British War Machine, and so “innocence” must be determined contextually), I think it is fairly obvious that those same British civilians wouldn’t find themselves in such potentially hazardous straits had they not supported a neocon warmonger out to rob Iraq and enrich his cronies / neocon warmonger whose illegal war had the unfortunate side effect of freeing 25 million people and saving the Iraqi marshlands, which we’ll now have to hear about for, like, ever a labor party leader who believes strongly in the very multicultural dogma that the progressive left supports—and which leads to little Balkanized sections within Britain that are home to alien cultures making and following their own rules, though many of them hold British citizenship.
Wait, that can’t be right…
(h/t Allah, who is very much on top of the story, and who is updating continuously. See more here, here, here, and here.
Then there’s this bit that Allah plucks from a Sunday Times article:
Police said the operation followed close liaison between security services and the Health Protection Agency, a body charged with guarding against infectious diseases…
Officers wearing chemical, biological and radiological protection were sent to the scene in the ethnically mixed Forest Gate area of the capital while nearby roads were cordoned off.
Of course, you might want to take all this with a grain of salt.
After all, it’s just as likely this story is being floated now to cover up the Rove indictment, which remains quite imminent…
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update: Wow. And here I was thinking I was being overbroad in my parody. Silly, silly Jeff.
Are they sure they’re not Brazilian?
Clearly, the British authorities are just a bunch of bedwetting racist warmongerers.
Nothing to see here, move along.
It also looks like their “law enforcement approach” to terrorism is failing too. Whats with raids and cops and surveillance and investigation? White guilt?
It isn’t so much the arrest part of the ‘law enforcement approach’ that is the problem. It’s the rest of the judicial process.
Besides, artillery bomrdment of Forest Glen does seem a bit extreme – for now.
I just hope no one’s civil rights were infringed upon. You know, in the intelligence gathering that lead to the raid
And, Lord help us if they can’t find the chemical weapons. We’ve been down that road before.
Looks fairly successful to me. One shot, one caught, no bombs were harmed in stopping these guys.
I don’t feel a bit guilty about being white.
I blame the religion of peace for false advertising. They don’t get 72 virgins. We should get the FTC to go after them.
I fully support using the deceptive practices and unfairness authority on religious promises.
You’re still an annoying little twit, actus.
No one has said that a “law enforcement approach†isn’t a necessary part of anti-terrorism. Only snarky posers like you imply otherwise.
What do you feed yourself to maintain your proper morally superior weight?
It takes a village to ignore actus.
Just saying.
Just goes to show you what strict gun control does to a country. Damn British Coppers can’t shoot worth a shit. Had that been a US operation that guy that got it in the shoulder wouldn’t be wasting resources in a hospital and a subsequent trial.
Why, the deadeye dicks here would’ve filled him with enough new holes that he could have been 72 virgins himself.
I won’t know what to think about this until Tom Duc Dong weighs in.
Actus, you feel comfortable knowing terrorists are getting this far along with constructing weapons before they’re caught? What about the few that slip through, like, say, 9/11? Inevitable sacrifice to retain the moral high ground?
Law enforcement alone isn’t enough, that’s pretty much been proven. This stuff has to be actively fought back against until it ceases being a viable tool.
We are developing our own little banluies here in ‘Amerikka’, too.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005309.htm
Hey, a little weaponized smallpox never hurt anybody.
Lately.
SB: shown
the door
No problems, Jeff; all overbroaded, pie-eating conservative bloggers who own stoned armadillos that carry tend to be political lightening rods.
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You do own him, don’t you?
tw: Showing himself the door.
Is Actus asking for a Brazilian? I would enjoy liberally applying hot burning wax to his pasty body.
If you don’t root out the heart of the problem (a religion used as an excuse to commit acts of violence), the problem remains. What happens when law enforcement misses one ? Or doesn’t make it in time? What happens when there’s a ebola outbreak in London and the cops had no idea.
Law enforcement is a part of the war on terror. However, law enforcement does nothing to stamp out the root cause- its a temporary solution at best.
TW : England )
Not a problem in actus’ world.
Damn, there I go again giving the little twit attention.
The article didn’t tell us how far along they were. It said there was a suspected chemical bomb factory that was raided. I’m comfortable knowing that suspected chemical bomb factories get raided.
That was my point. Britain will reel if its white guilt causes it to limit itself to law enforcement.
I’ve heard they’re quite easy to quarantine, giving how quickly people die. But I guess the proper answer is bombs away. And a moment of ironic reflection, that an african based disease wipes out our white guilt.
“Had that been a US operation that guy that got it in the shoulder wouldn’t be wasting resources in a hospital and a subsequent trial.”
Well, at least he’s now reliant on the tender mercies of the NHS. What the bullet didn’t do, MRSA should be able to finish quite nicely……..
I don’t believe Ironic means what you think it means.
Now honestly actus,
how would you feel if the man shot was Brazilian?
Upset, sad?
The point of the matter is that two potential terrorist threats have been nuetralized. And hopefully, more intel to follow after “intense” interrogation. Or do you have a problem with that as well? Get of your moral highhorse and get in the game….
Being far enough along that it was a suspected chemical bomb factory was my point. I was asking you if you were comfortable with the fact that there was a chemical bomb factory in the middle of suburbia knowing 9/11 happened under the law enforcement paradigm. Your comment implied that traditional enforcement alone was just dandy. Because I was thinking juuuust maybe there might be another apartment somewhere being used to make chemical devices that isn’t noticed in time. That seems to be good enough for people like you, who prefer to take opportunities like this to launch mindless snark rather than engage in thoughtful debate. I guess we’re just not worth your time or effort? Just important enough to sneer at? Why even bother?
And as to ebola, yeah it’s easy to quarantine when it strikes isolated villages in central Africa, probably not when it strikes a major center of civilization…or at least not until it’s killed quite a few people and overwhelmed all the hospitals. Or any biological attack for that matter.
There were terrorists bombings all over Europe including the United Kingdom BEFORE the Iraqi War, Remember Lockerbie? Any old excuse to blame the Satan America. We will rue the day we decided not to take the Islamic Jihad seriously.
A little freaked out. Just like with the last Brazilian the Brits shot in an anti-terror operation. Nobody likes it when our cops mess up.
And I answered that I’m comfortable with them being raided. What kind of person would be comfortable with bomb factories period? The illegal kind, of course.
I love the smell of a John Hughes reference in the morning. Whassa happanin’, hostuff?
Ebola has a 7 to 14 day incubation period.
London has a population density of ~4,700km^2
Characteristics of Hemorrhagics
I realize that you like being a thorn Actus, but it’s no fun if you’re going to pitch softballs.
A better answer would have been to point out that the communication of Ebola requires direct a/o sustained contact. There are rumors of a weaponized Ebola, but I don’t think that these have been verified.
Weaponization tends to focus on pulminary agents appropriate to aerosol delivery.
My goodness, those impressive acrobatics around my point could only mean you’re a lawyer, actus. Bravo.
I must have remembered it wrong. I thought it was hours, death within a day sort of thing. Looks like I ought to freak out.
You asked if I was comfortable with chemical bomb factories. I’m not. Isn’t that clear? Send in the ATF, and if they get shot at, open fire and burn ‘em out.
You want us to invade Britain? With the ATF?
You’re not this stupid are you?
Do you live in London?
re: “law enforcement approachâ€Â
The US does employ a ‘law enforcement approach’ domestically. That’s the FBI’s role. But how can this model be applied to Afghanistan, or Palestine, or a sponsoring state like Iran?
No I live, work and study in DC about a mile from the white house.
There really doesnt’ seem to be a basis for us applying domestic law enforcement in these cases.
Actually, I asked you the same thing in two different ways, neither of which was trying to guage whether or not you were comfortable with bomb factories. See, what you did was narrow in on a specific bit of what I said at the expense of everything else. Context is usually helpful, actus. I asked you a complex question, but not so much so that you shouldn’t be able to understand it.
1.)”Actus, you feel comfortable knowing terrorists are getting this far along with constructing weapons before they’re caught? What about the few that slip through, like, say, 9/11? Inevitable sacrifice to retain the moral high ground?”
2.)”I was asking you if you were comfortable with the fact that there was a chemical bomb factory in the middle of suburbia knowing 9/11 happened under the law enforcement paradigm. Your comment implied that traditional enforcement alone was just dandy.”
Let me try a third: Do you think terrorism is a law enforcement problem?
Obviously, these are in reference to:
“It also looks like their “law enforcement approach†to terrorism is failing too. Whats with raids and cops and surveillance and investigation? White guilt?” – Actus
Did I misunderstand your facetious tone? It’s certainly possible. If not, I’m not sure how to make myself any more clear.
I might just print that out, frame it and hang it on my wall.
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…and then ignore it.
I’m not so sure that a law enforcement approach entails a sacrifice. We’re not going to drop bombs on suburbia. But we may use SWAT like tactics on religious compounds.
I think its one of the many things terrorism is. But if there’s a regional power mining your harbors; funding insurgents instructed to attack “soft targets” ie. your civilian infrastructure; and basing these insurgents in nearby territories with atrocious human rights records; there’s not much that law enforcement can do. The opponent may be so powerful that your population will simply be terrorized.
But some parts of terrorism can be addressed with law enforcement’s tools, like suspicion based investigation.
If it weren’t so predictable, it would be funny. As it is, it’s just sad.
“You’re not this stupid are you?
I might just print that out, frame it and hang it on my wall.
…and then ignore it. “
Don’t worry Pablo, I already printed it out and by the way just flushed it about 5 minutes ago….
See, that wasn’t so difficult, was it?
I’m inclined to agree with you, except when I start to use my imagination. I don’t pretend to accept that imagination is any kind of justification for policy, but part of the battle here is staying one step ahead of those who would terrorize us.
The way I see it is if we’re content to treat terrorism as a law enforcement problem only, and there are many who advocate this, then we’re leaving an enemy to fester indefinitely who will depend on more desperate tactics as we continue to thwart them. Sort of like a cold war. The stakes will increase as more is invested into the conflict. I have no hope that nuclear technology can be policed. Eventually, the technology will be relatively mainstream with any interested party having a hand in it. Iran has already announced that it will spread its technology to any who want it. If you believe this, then you almost have to allow for the likelihood that a terrorist group will get its hands on a WMD of some potency. Maybe we’re willing to allow a 9/11 every 5-10 years without proactively fighting against the ideology that produces such atrocities in a preventitive fashion. However, when you throw WMD’s into the equation the situation is untenable, and I don’t believe we can simply wait for it to happen before we decide that this is something worth preventing at any cost.
You say we can’t drop bombs on suburbia. Of course not, but we can actually control our own borders and tighten the screws on our leaky ship. We can have a debate about the boundaries of the NSA that is devoid of histrionics and is actually cognizant of the competing threats, not just from one side. We can actually decide to be tough with nations that are de facto responsible for this entire mess in the first place. This entails diplomacy that actually has the threat of force behind it, not just an endless stream of ever more strongly worded letters of condemnation. When justice and strength are on your side, you need to be able to use it without the WHITE GUILT dragging you down. :p
The president of the United State can not say “some domestic casualties are inevitable and acceptable.” If a culprit can be identified, its his job to deal with it to the benefit of the US. This goes back to my belief that eventually suicide belts and soft targets will give way to massive chunks of major cities being destroyed so long as you leave that door open.
<bangs head against wall>
Smells like law enforcement to me.
Of course not. But murder and crime and terrorism are going to happen. Dubya has even said “we’re going to get attacked again.” And these things are unacceptable. Which is why we work to stop them.
It’s a little bit more special for me, Todd.
The Day I Outactused actus.
On the downside, by commiting the act(us) itself, I’m now honor bound to give myself a wedgie.
Allah actually said…”a body charged with guarding against infectious diseases…”
i presume he was alerting us to the fact that those two paki guys could easily have had a gene sequencer and a biolab in their basement, and been busy ginning up Captain Trips for the new apocalyspe.
more scaremongering, Allah.
and Jeff…
truly, you are hardly ever wrong, but you are wrong here. those Pakis weren’t balkanized, they were marginalised and ghettoized. they might pay lip service to hatred of the great satan, but their real issue is that that parents were imported as cheap labor–kinda like slavery in the usa, and no attempt was ever made to assimilate the offspring of the cheap labor pool, beyond giving them citizenship.
your high flown ideology has no basis. those young disenfranchised pakis were just trying to get their own back on their host culture, and fundamentalist ideology is a handy patch for their egos.
Were it France, I’d agree with you, Nishizono. But Britain’s problem is that they have been too accomodating. Some of those mosques should have been shut down years ago.
In America, no attempt was made to assimilate the Irish, or the Chinese, or the Germans. Well, except for the effort they made to assimilate themselves. For years there were poor Irish neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods, Chinese neighborhoods. Now, in many cases, they’ve got new immigrant populations (be they African, Arab, Central American, etc…)because the old ones assimilated.
It was the right thing to do. If you move to the culture, it’s your responsibility to adapt. The society you move to because it can support you when yours can’t owes you nothing but payment for your services.
It certainly doesn’t owe you respect for the shithole you left, nor salve for your culturally wounded ego.
And the effort they made to earn their own political power. Sounds like a good idea to ask of muslims immigrants.
Just some “spirited” kids playing with a chemistry set being oppressed by “the system”.
Thank you, Pablo.
TW: special
needs observer
Pablo & Jeff, actually, i believe citizenship should trump race, religion, and ethnicity, but racism and islamophobia is real in Britian as well as France.
begging your pardon, pablo and jeff, but the Irish and Germans were CAUCS, and looked just like the assimilating population, and the chinese have the advantage of higher mean IQ than the host population.
but i just nearly got banned for saying race and IQ in the same comment on another blog, so i will hold onto my privs here….there are fewer and fewer blogs i can comment it seems, and i would sorely miss it at jeff’s.
TW: them. lolol, us and them.
And in terms of responsibility for assimilating into a culture versus entitlement to be assimilated by that culture, this means what, exactly?
For some, assimilation means dissapear. He thinks they can’t do that now.
“begging your pardon, pablo and jeff, but the Irish and Germans were CAUCS, and looked just like the assimilating population..”
Odd, the Hindus & Sikhs that settled here in the UK couldn’t be described as ‘CAUCS’, yet have assimilated quite well (yet still keeping their cultural sense of self) & with few problems, thank you…….
really? and your source material on that would be…?
i have friend who is Sikh, and he has experienced rampant islamophobia in Britian, as do all the “brown” and “turbaned”.
Hindus have had considerably longer to assimilate since they were initially imported as cheap labor during the raj.
Pablo, you are saying there are no barriers of prejudice in britian? don’t get it.
“and your source material on that would be…?”
Goodness, perhaps the total lack of self-detonating Sikhs & Hindus on the Tube lately…?
“i have friend who is Sikh, and he has experienced rampant islamophobia in Britian”
Your Sikh friend has experienced ‘Islamophobia’…..? Was the word you were grasping for there supposed to be ‘witnessed’, perchance?
“Hindus have had considerably longer to assimilate..”
Oh, so first they can’t assimilate because of their colour, then they can, but over long periods of time..?
I’m confused, does the colour fade then? Because I’m looking at my colleagues, and they are examining their arms for signs of this, and we just can’t see it….!
Of course not. There’s always prejudice against the newcomer. There’s always an apprehension toward the “other”. Does “Irish need not apply” ring a bell? It isn’t an easy thing to adapt to an alien culture. Many things well worth doing aren’t easy.
Again, I ask: In terms of responsibility for assimilating into a culture versus entitlement to be assimilated by that culture, this means what, exactly?