From the NYT:
A federal court jury spared the life of Zacarias Moussaoui today, voting to send him to prison for the rest of his days rather than condemn him to death for the carnage of Sept. 11, 2001.
The jury of nine men and three women deliberated seven days before telling District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema this afternoon that it had chosen to spare the life of the only person to stand trial in the United States for the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.
Edward Adams, a court spokesman did not say whether the jury had voted unanimously to spare Mr. Moussaoui, or whether the jurors had failed to reach a unanimous decision on imposing a death sentence. The lack of unanimity on death would also spare Mr. Moussaoui’s life.
“America, you lost!” Mr. Moussaoui shouted as he was led from the courtroom after the verdict was announced.
Hard to disagree with him there—at least, insofar as it pertains to his sentencing.
I mean, sure, some folks are going to argue that killing him would have turned him into the martyr he desired being. To which I say, so what? He’d also be dead. Which should be the fate of those who conspired to attack us on 911.
Besides, as Rusty Shackleford points out, “By that logic, no jihadi should ever be killed!”
—Which, while that seems to be the goal of some in the anti-war camp (or, to be fair, they aren’t so much against killing jihadists as they are against, y’know, the “brutal” or “lethal” killing of jihadists—particularly by heavily armed American jarheads and assorted other thugs) –it is most certainly not a goal shared by everyone in this country. I’ll be interested to hear reaction from some of those who lost friends and relatives in the attacks.
Could it be that there’s something fishy going on with the jury…?
Meanwhile, somewhere in a cave complex in the wilds of Pakistan, Usama bin Laden smiles the smile of the strong horse and enjoys a plate of figs and mountain berries…
(h/t Allah, who has more. See also, PJM, James Joyner, So Cal Pundit, Say Uncle, Stop the ACLU, Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, Wizbang, Joust the Facts, and Dread Pundit Bluto; Expose the Left has video of the announcement; political pitbull has audio of Guiliani’s reaction)
Remember the moment in The Usual Suspects where Verbal says (paraphrasing), “You don’t have to have the biggest gang or the most guns to win, you just have to be willing to do what the other guy won’t.”
Hmmm…, does this apply more to Osama and the current terrorism, sorry, insurgency, or to the post below about the other Other?
Turing Word: methods, as in, damn, those are some spooky methods you have for picking Turing Words.
I disagree with Moussaoui’s assassment but maybe that’s just me.
We are fucking dead, all of us.
The America that woke up on 7 December 1941 knew who their enemies were and burned with the desire to teach ‘em a fucking lesson.
The America that woke up on 11 September 2001 decided they didn’t want to deal with whoever was making all that noise outside, turned over, and went back to sleep.
WE ARE ALL FUCKED.
I think it’s the perfect outcome, absolutely perfect. Moussaoui is the singlular Al Queda failure of 9/11 and he knows it. Being put to death would have meant his redemption in his eyes and in the minds of those who think like him. Moussaoui’s role in 9/11 was derivative, and putting him to death would have made the US appear desperate and impotent putting him to death.
As far as putting Jihadis to death, we should definitely put their leadership to death, guys like Khalid Mohammed, preferably by hanging, but the foot soldiers whose sole reason for being Jihadis is to go to heaven a martyr, should instead be given the opportunity to enjoy penitentiary life for the rest of their days. Hopefully they’ll get twenty years or so to live the love before it’s taken from them against the edge of a toilet seat a la Dahmer.
He’s going into solitary. I assure you he’s in no danger of being beaten or anally raped – we want to keep him alive.
No doubt, since we are a civilized society, we will also give him a few other concessions – halal meals, copy of the Koran, arrow on the floor pointing to Mecca.
3,000 people dead and we still allow this fucking waste of skin to continue to breathe. I don’t call that justice, I call it a sign of the apocalypse.
I lost a friend that day. I know many people who lost a friend or a relative. I prefer my revenge served cold. Many many years locked in a room with a TV that shows nothing but reports of us dismantling their movement. That would be justice to me.
Or you could send him into general population. There are people there with ideas about justice.
Speaking of Dahmer, anybody know the difference between Jeffrey Dahmer and a Playboy magazine?
The magazine will survive a beating in the bathroom, although it might be a little sticky.
Oh, and here’s hoping Moussaoui chokes to death on a prison pork chop.
Tim:
No offense, but what a load of shit.
Every day we allow this man to live is a gift to him. Maybe he won’t go to paradise since he was captured by the enemy, but he’s going to wake up every day with praise for Allah upon his lips that he made us reveal our weakness: thanks to him, terrorists the world over now know that we don’t have the balls to actually kill our enemies.
Again: 3,000 people dead on 9/11 and this miserable twat still draws breath.
This is probably cliched, but it just reminds me of being in NYC back in 2000, riding in a cab, when the muslim cabbie says to me … “you will never find justice in this life”.
So, yeah, that’s true. Sometimes.
– Even in his mental state he knows he just got the equivalent of a pig blood bath for a Jihadist. Having to sit out the rest of his life in a Western prison, lorded over by prison guards, many of whom are Christians, Joooossss, and even worse of all, lowly women.
– He can say what he wants, they always do, but the words are hollow. He gets to endure his remaining years in shame, no press face time, cutoof for good. Failure in his supposed plans, if they ever existed. Failure to attain martyrhood. A disgrace to his own, no matter how Al Jizzara tries to spin it.
Gee, death confident in ultimate victory or surviving to know ultimate failure…hmmm yeah, load of shit. By the way, you don’t need to tell me about 3,000 people. As noted in my first sentence, that part’s a little personal.
I think killing this guy would be a waste of perfectly good poison, but this trial has been an example of how jihadists use our own system against us. Too bad we can’t perforate the guy on national television and be done with it. Our system, and our decency, precludes us from doing so. So now he gets to sit in jail, get more pissed off after he initially gets gang raped by his fellow inmates, then recruit for The Cause for the remainder of his term.
He’s going to die. It’s just not going to be at the hands of the Great Satan.
Instead, he’ll die, beaten to death in a federal prison, at the hands of people of similar thuggish moral character.
I can live with it.
So, how long before people get kidnapped in order for some terrorist group or another to demand the release of this tard?
tim maguire-
Many many years locked in a room with a TV that shows nothing but reports of us dismantling their movement. That would be justice to me.
Please contribute the over $5,000,000.00 we’ll spend keeping this waste of skin alive for those ‘many, many years’.
T/W: “call”– as in, ”Call me when you get tired of spending your money, I’ll buy the bullet.
– Bullet hell. You live by the sword you die by the sword. One last “Allah Akbar”, and then bowling for heads…..
TW: “One cut, and one cut only Demitri. Form points count for half your score.
Pat: Good point.
I’m not bothered by him not getting the death penalty.
I’m bothered by the “America you lost” comment he made.
Here’s hoping no Mary Mapes or Gore Vidal feel the need to correspond with him in prison so he can get “his story” out. I don’t need him dead, but I do want him silenced.
tim maguire: Or you could send him into general population. There are people there with ideas about justice.
Are you implying that there are people in the general prison population who can do a better job of delivering justice to this schmuck than the jury in this case?
‘Cause if so, then I’m going to have to agree with you.
As I said to my wife, I hope he is let into the general population. Some child molester would get a chance to redeem himself before the mother-killers and father-rapists kill him.
There is a not-insignificant fraction of prison population that shares his ideology. He would have his own gang in general population.
Hmmmm
Feed him bacon every day, make his sheets and clothes out of pigskin, and bring in a big, horny boar hog and some axle grease every day—I can accept that.
So was my mistake not killing enough people?
Or was there something about the Federal Government in the 90’s that made assaults on it more horrific in some quarters?
Nah, that couldn’t be it.
I think if you consider the death penalty acceptable in any case (as I do), this one’s a no-brainer. I’m pissed he didn’t get it. I also grow weary of people saying “But he wants us to make a martyr of him; the death penalty would only be playing into his hands.” It’s not untrue, it’s just not the devastatingly powerful point that some well-meaning commenters around the blogs seem to think.
Tim Maguire’s point is the first to make me feel better about this. The thought that he’ll likely live to see us victorious–that’s almost worth keeping him alive. I said almost.
As for our other enemies, they’ll get a laugh out of this, but–pace Rorschach–we are killing them elsewhere, in Iraq, in Afghanistan and in a lot of places out of the limelight, and they damn well know it.
Tim McVeigh was an American traitor. Zach Moussaoui was not an American. MchVeigh attacked his brothers. Moussaoui failed to attack his enemy. They are both subhuman scum – but a terrorist traitor is lower than a wannabe terrorist screw-up any day of the week.
Does he deserve to die? Yes. Is it a huge loss not to kill this incompetent moron? No. Is it a sign of our impending destruction? Put on your tinfoil hat dude.
Bidwell: [returns to camp after a bear has bit off his leg] Sir, I’ve been to hell and back.
Edwards: Yes, I can see that…
Bidwell: I suspect that you’ll want to lead a hunting party to slay that terrible beast.
Edwards: Well, yes, that thought did cross my mind briefly. But now I have a better idea.
Bidwell: Yes, sir?
Edwards: I shall fashion for you the finest wooden leg you’ve ever seen.
Bidwell: But what about the bear?
Edwards: Rest assured, Bidwell, in 20 years or so, the ravages of old age will deal with the bear far more cruelly than we ever could have.
Bidwell: Revenge is sweet, sir.
This guy deserves to be sent to Hell as soon as possible. I think that some of the peopel who are saying “we shouldnt make a martyr out of him” are probably opposed to the death penalty to begin with.
Its as well a thought out position for dealing with terrorists as “violence never solved anything.”
I’d also like to point out that his “America, you lost!” comment kind of puts the lie to the whole idea that we shouldn’t make a martyr out of him.
What Moussaoui said after his sentencing is to be expected. As our enemy, he is charged with giving us no quarter. What’s more important is what he didn’t say: “I won.”
Moussaoui was looking forward to skipping to the death chamber like a little girl, finally able to retrieve his “honor.”
All’s I can say is it will be a crying shame if amongst our high-security prisons we don’t have a hog farm somewhere. The Koran might say you can’t eat them, but I doubt if it says you can’t be forced to tend to them for the rest of your life. Really big hogs…
Even if they executed him – imagine that!
All those appeals working their way to the Supreme Court, all those years of waiting, all the public whining about whether we’re “lowering ourselves to the terrorists’ ways” even as there are lawsuits objecting to even lethal injections as cruel and unusual punishment.
You’re deluding yourself if execution in this country would be as satisfying as you (or I) would like it to be.
As for the “America, you lost!” comment, I have serious doubts the guy would have said anything differently if the verdict was for execution. In this little man’s mind, America lost the second Islamofascism started fighting the west. Everything he says is pretty much pointless.
The problem with the well-deserved death penalty is that our system so protects the criminal that it takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to finally pull the plug on them. Can you imagine the moonbat candlelit vigils outside this guy’s cell as he waits to be executed? The repeated circus trials, the deification of this victim of the Bush/Hitler regime?
It was a pretty tough sell to a jury in any case. The case was solid, he was definitely guilty, but the crimes he was guilty of are difficult to convince a jury to put someone to death for.
Peter Jackson said: What Moussaoui said after his sentencing is to be expected. As our enemy, he is charged with giving us no quarter. What’s more important is what he didn’t say: “I won.â€Â
Dude, his whole quote was:”America, you lost. … I won.”
This is what this fucker wanted all along.
Jack Ruby where are you?
p.s. King Kong sucked. Jack Black? What the hell were you thinking you fat bastard?
““You don’t have to have the biggest gang or the most guns to win, you just have to be willing to do what the other guy won’t.—
What, so know Hollywood liberals are the purveyors of strategic wisdom?
You wont find anything of the kind in Clauswitz, Sun-Tzu, Fuller, or Liddell Hart, but I guess they didnt klnow anything compared to tough-talking fictional charaters who tell idiots what they want to hear.
Who you going to quote next? Screetch from Saved by the Bell. That might actually be at an approptiate level for this site.
[Note—if you don’t like the site, what are you doing here? Wait—don’t answer that. I’ll help you find your way out. You’ll thank me later, trust me. For not getting any of our “idiot” juice on you.
Some people just can’t seem to engage in conversation. Instead, it’s like they’re compelled by some inner voice to be spittle-splashing attack monkeys, regardless of the topic or the circumstances. I don’t get it. But, that’s life. Later, r4d20 – ed]
How do you figure? Whats in this for him?
Sorry dude. But thanks for the twelve bucks.
yours/
peter.
Okay, Jack Black? He spotted me some smashing kind bud once so I owed him.
Certainly not as punishment, no. Instead they get federal prison.
I wonder how much the next Democrat President will get in return for pardoning him? Millions I would guess.
This was fouled up from the moment we decided on a civilian criminal trial instead of unlawful combatant status and appropriate treatment.
This is the kind of guy Gitmo is for.
TW: time, as in forever.
I doubt seriously that would happen. It’s not like he’s Mark Rich or anything.
I’m all for the death penalty for 1st degree murder (or child molesters), but did this guy actually kill anyone? I mean, is attempted murder, or conspirousy to commit murder a capitol offense? Honestly, I haven’t been following this too closely, but isn’t this guy just a wannabe? I really don’t know how he qualified for the death penalty in the first place. Can someone exlain please?
What did he do that was ‘combatant’?
Speaking of jihadi’s, Aaron’s has been hacked again.
Moussaoui’s gone now. Let’s all now forget about the guy who OBL didn’t deem worthy of martydom (ok suicide) but who was almost clever enough to get himself a page in jihadi history anyway by getting himself executed by the US.
Only way I’ll feel happy about this is if they refuse to serve him anything but bacon for his entire incarceration.
Jeff:
You say Osama’s smilin’ the smile of the strong horse…
I don’t think so.
Are you following what’s been happening to UBL’s boy Zarkie in Iraq? Task Force 145 has apparently rolled up the leadership of his entire network, except for the Z-man himself, which is why he’s in Syria, firing American machine guns as his blubbery man-tits jiggle menacingly.
General McCaffrey–no fan of Rumsfeld or the way the war was fought–said in his report about the Iraqi Security Forces that what we’ve done is a “brilliant success story.”
Mother Sheehan’s freedom fighters have been unable to prevent Iraq’s inexorable march toward democracy. The only thing that the sanctified head-choppers have accomplished is earning the eternal hatred of most Iraqis. Even the goddam recalcitrant Sunnis are joining the army, police, and government in record numbers. When was the last time you heard an Iraqi bitch about the American presence there?
No, UBL’s not smiling, unless it’s that whimpering, downturned smile that John Candy did as William B. William on SCTV.
Our troops had the entire global media undermining their mission; they had all of American academia undermining their mission; they had half the country’s politicians–including the “decorated veterans”–undermining their mission; they had half the CIA and State Department undermining their mission; they had to listen to endless lies about their commander in chief and their secretary of defense; they had the vulnerablities of their weapons and equipment exposed by “patriotic” newspapers; they had fiends from hell picking their buddies’ funerals and screaming “Thank God for IEDs”; and they faced the most evil, sadistic, inhuman enemy in history–but they still won the war. They never gave up. They took it all and still did their job without complaint.
I don’t think UBL is smiling at all.
I meant fiends from hell “picketing” their funerals, not picking.
Oh well.
Kidnap Zack Moose, put him in an abandonded well with a nice camera, set up a monitor at the opening, and charge $10 to piss on him.
Only problem: what do you do with the $3 billion?
Sorry. Parking would be a huge problem, as well.
OT…but how about those Rockies!
As for the M-mam…don’t care one way or another other than the danger of some future democrat appeaser pardoning his ass in the interest of “global Peace”.
What was really irritating was the long breakdown given in the media I heard about what the jury thought about various aspects of the case. Who cares?
Another problem: Loss of tourism dollars for Tijuana.
Guess I didn’t think this through.
Here is a hypothetical simple enough for our Morality Trolls to understand, if any of them are still lurking about: If innocent people start getting kidnapped and killed for this, could killing Moussaoui become the moral thing to do?
*The only thing that the sanctified head-choppers have accomplished is earning the eternal hatred of most Iraqis.*
Interesting point, actually. My hope (and I realize its a long shot) is that Iraqi muslims will be at the forefront of modernizing their religion and their positive exposure to US troops (mostly) coupled with their extremely negative exposure to jihadists (who murder innocent iraqis) could temper their anger towards the west.
You’ve never bested a bully, have you?
Perhaps that’s not such a long shot. It seems like a logical outcome based on human nature. Given the choice between a free, democratic country and a thugocracy which would you pick? Only a fanatic would pick the latter.
I would add the Afghans into that same equation. Of course they had already had a much longer, and far worse experience with the twin plagues of their time – Communism and fanatical Wahhabi Islam.
The talk of “don’t kill him; that’s what he wants” reminds me of the ol’ Uncle Remus story about Br’er Rabbit and the Briar Patch.
Screw what he thinks, or he wants – if his crime is punishable by death, do it. There is a non-trivial amount of public funds that will be used to keep this guy in prison for the rest of his life.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Air Force could get all the bombers it wanted, and the anti-death penalty people had to hold a bake sale to pay for 40 years of maximum security prison?
I live in Alexandria, so the ones who let him live are my neighbors. As it turns out, I really dislike some of them.
He’s going to Supermax, where he will live out his days 23 hours in a cell and 1 hour alone in an exercise yard. If I was one to wish the taint of murder on another, I would hope that a CO “finds” that he hung himself in his cell, because there is not even the possibility of jailhouse justice in his future.
The only hope now is that G-d decides to take him soon for some divine justice. Those that I know who lost loved ones on 9/11 are not happy at all about this verdict, and neither am I.
My hat’s off to the jury.
They stiffed this Neocon-besotted administration about that Moussaoui business rather nicely.
Nothing wrong with a jury that can, in one decision, outrage Fox News, The Weekly Standard, NRO, the vast right-wing blogosphere and most of all, the wing-nutters showing up on protein, all at one time.
Gawd!
Think I’ll celebrate.
Maybe with a little premium Australian Shiraz.
I think it is in our own best interest to keep him alive. Neither life in prison nor death will deter a suicide bomber once he has been indoctrinated. It is the possibility of deterring some small number of future indoctrinations that make keeping him alive worthwhile.
When terrorists recruit suicide bombers, they use examples like Hossein Fahmideh, a kid who blew up a tank in the Iran-Iraq war. He is revered as a national hero. They have all sorts of tricks to make some naive dupe blow themselves up. Moussauoi has garnered international fame as a nut, an incompetent and a failure. He is the best counter to all the tricks they try. Hopefully, once in a while, some young man will decide he doesn’t want to be lumped in a group with Zaccharias Moussauoi. We know death, intrinsically, does not deter suicide bombers. Hopefully humiliation might.
Thanks for letting that mask slip just a bit more, Carl.
We should also take very seriously whatever he says, and forget the fact that he might say the same damn thing had he gotten another verdict.
We have plenty of AL Qaeda people in custody – competent people whom they would want returned, unlike Moussauoi. If people are kidnapped for him, they would be kidnapped for someone else had he been executed. Keeping him alive does not make kidnappings more likely.
Carl: fuck you, asshole.
I suppose you’d like to see more buildings fall, as that would achieve a similar result. You’re a twisted SOB, Carl.
At least Carl has the courage to speak his true feelings, which I read as follows: it doesn’t matter what happens so long as it pisses certain people off. Thanks stating simply what we’ve suspected all along.
I think you should talk to the Israeli’s about this, because you are wrong. In fact, I’d wager there is nearly a 100% certainty that a kidnap will occur in which one of the demands is Zach’s release.
Why do they want an incompetent idiot back?
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Perhaps, but my point was that the kidnapping will occur because the terrrorists see an opportunity to kidnap, not really to obtain Moussaoui’s release. If Moussaoui were dead, the kidnapping would still occur, but the demand would be different.
Carl, would you feel the same way if Gore was the President? You are blinded by your political identity. Common sense is wasted on you.
Jackass.
Al Qaeda is fighting both a hot war and a PR war, and ZM while incompetent is sufficiently high profile to warrant a “hostage swap.”
I doubt any of us knows for sure what will happen, but my money’s with DG on this one.
Undoubtedly, should this happen, the U.S. won’t capitulate, another innocent will die, and the same self-congratulatory people who celebrated the life sentence will damn the administration for loss of inncocent life.
That is why I couched it as a hypothetical question.
Holy goddamned shit, Carl. I would very much like to take a dump on your mother.
Perhaps that was too harsh. I would be happy with a jury of your peers deciding on that fate.
Ask your Mom at Thanksgiving—if she invites you, that is.
Sorry, Ray, that was too much fun to resist.
Actually,
As far as it goes, I wouldn’t support the death penalty for ObL, for Zack Moose, sure, but not ObL. I would much rather that very good care be taken of ObL, and that he get paraded out every so often as he grows increasingly frail and senile. I like the notion of having him in attendance at the bulding of the replacement for the twin towers, shaved, frail, and broken. If he’s dead, you can’t break him, but once his spirit’s broken, you own his image.
BRD
Hmmm.
Joy.
Now France wants Moussaoui to serve his time in FRANCE.
It would be a wast, tach – I hear Carl’s mom is into the Cleveland Steamer big time.
Carl is a perfect example of the modern left.
Doesn’t matter that the left has no discernable strategy for dealing with terrorism, high oil prices, social security insolvency, dysfunctional schools, illegal immigration or nuclear-obsessed crazies in Iran & North Korea.
These are all just opportunities to indulge in schadenfreude against the conservatives. Meanwhile, they block any potential solutions thru obstruction and spin with their comrades in the media. Leaking national security secrets that damage our war against Islamic terror and endanger our troops? Fine, so long as suits their agenda. Thwart attempts to develop domestic energy sources, prevent new refinery and nuke plant construction while simultaneously demonizing conservatives for the nation’s dependence on foreign oil? Why not, the media won’t point out their hypocrisy. Align with the “Open Borders” crowd in an effort to capture the votes of a growing demographic, even while massive illegal immigration directly harms the unions and lower-class Americans they so self-rightously claim to represent? Of course, if leads to regaining power. Glorifying and funding Cindy Sheehan while our troops are in harm’s way?
You bet, she’s embarassing Chimpy McHitlerburton.
Somewhere JFK, Truman and Scoop Jackson are weeping for their nation and cursing what’s become of their party.
Hey, Carl W. Goss:
Wouldn’t it have been great if he’d been found not guilty? That would have really pissed off all those right-wingers.
Which, clearly, is the main thing.
Ah well. Maybe next time.
I actually had to read this twice to see maybe if it was a parody of “Left side Carl”. This is UN.FUCKING.BELIEVABLE.
I guess the only way Carl could be any happier was if the fucker was acquitted, then he could sue the government and we could give him a couple of million bucks for his “inconvenience”. HOLY.SHIT.
This is why you cannot take the Left serious in any thing they say. They hope for bad news for America because they can slam the Administration. They hope for bad news from Iraq, they parade out the total deaths of our brave men and women, they hope that the economic news is bad, and when it isn’t they throw out a “but”, they still bleat about Katrina, giving Blanco and Nagin a pass, they take the opposite position on any program or policy of the Administration. They are screeching, howling moonbats.
I am literally devastated by that quote above. I had held to some thin string of belief that the Left did not hope for the failure of the United States. I have to let that string go now.
Please ostracize Carl Goss along with acthole, the contratian. PLEASE
I am devastated.
I suppose it wouldn’t be too much to observe that Carl is in clear support of those who are resolute in their intent to kill Americans.
No need for anyone to get disturbed about Carl’s rant. His comments serve to demonstrate the lack of principles, and the raw vindictiveness, of his political leanings. It’s one of the great attributes of this country that the more serious among us can fight the necessary battles to maintain a society that he can agitate within, then we can promptly ignore him.
An interesting development this morning is that France is looking into the possibility of a transfer of Moussaoui to their country. I should have seen this coming, considering that he is a citizen of that country, and, more importantly, so that he can be used as a bargaining chip to curry favor with their homegrown jihadists which have been acting a bit restless of late. France could turn him over an Islamic state as part of a phony prisoner exchange (remember what Germany did with the Munich Games terrorists??) or claim that he’s “rehabilitated” and release him.
The great thing about taking a dump on Carl’s mom? Carl would have to kill her. To let her live after that indignity would bring too much shame on the House of Goss.
Death penalty or no, it’s pretty clear ZM is the loser here. That Carl refuses to acknowledge that is evidence he is irretrievably lost in the fever swamp of the left.
Dude, his whole quote was:”America, you lost. … I won.â€Â
This is what this fucker wanted all along.
Bullshit, he would have said the same and worse if he had gotten the death penalty which is what he really wanted.
I agree with the guy who said this was the perfect outcome. A-Q has been denied another propaganda coup.
If Moussaoui had actually accomplished anything then I’d be too angry to support anything but the death penalty – but as it was, he was just another Shoe-bomb, insane fuckup. Rotting in supermax is perfect for him.
Turing word “Science” as in “She blinded me with science!”
So true. They’ll angrily deny it, of course, usually resorting to a claim that they love this country, and the fact that they dissent to this extreme is proof of that love. You know, for the First Amendment and all. Meanwhile, in practicing that right, they bemoan the supposed evils of American capitalism, the country’s institutionalized racism, and it’s sordid history of taking the land and cultures of others. To them, America is illegally and unconscionably brutal, imperialistic, and unilateral. It can do nothing right, because its balance sheet is so hopelessly weighted toward bankruptcy.
And they wonder why they’re considered anti-American. How can one who holds such views ever be seen as a supporter of this country? The cognitive dissonance makes it impossible.
That judge has some nads!
rls:
Don’t sweat the Carl/Left-wing insanity too much.
You’ll get over it. I did. And I came to realize the Left had nothin’ but hate through interaction with a former friend, not through the insane rants of an anonymous internet blowhard.
Its actually pretty freeing, once you think about it a while.
If the verdict is considered by some to show how a civilized nation (the US, an example for all other nations to follow) conducts its business, then Iraq should demonstrate it is a civilized nation and return a verdict on Saddam that . . . . ?
They should KILL him and demonstrate they are a nation of appropriate justice!
The French, by the way, are interested in getting this fellow for sentancing for actions in their borders. While on one hand I savor the thought of this fellow rotting in the horrific French Prisons (far worse than Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay), I suspect they’d find a reason to set him free at some point because it would be in the benefit of France.
(1) Who cares what this clown had to say? He’s totally forgettable and will be gone in a month.
(2) If this is a victory for the bad guys, then they are at the end of their rope. “Our guy didn’t get executed, he got life! Woo-Hoo! In Your Face imperialist zionist crusader scum of the oil-soaked smirking chimpy one! In. Your. Face!”
(3) Carl has no honor or patriotism. Obvious, I know, but sometimes you just have to say it again.
(4) Perhaps we could compromise with the French and promise to keep him in a prison that we’ll run exactly like one of theirs? Wouldn’t that satisfy all parties?
Back in the 80’s, a liberal family member sported a bumpersticker stating that “Hatred isn’t a family value” as an attempted dig at Ronald Reagan and the “Christian Right”.
How amusing and ironic that today, hatred of Bush and all things conservative is the sole unifying force behind the so-called “liberal” left.
Hmmmm.
Just like Italy did with the mastermind of the Achille Lauro hijacking.
They let that bastard, who was sentenced to life in prison, go out on a weekend pass!
No fucking way this guy gets handed over to the French.
Relatives of the victims testified in the trial. Some were in favor of the death penalty, others against.
Couldn’t Moussouai share some space with Carl in Carl’s mom’s basement? They could become, like, butt-brothers, or something.
Hey, no fair Mikey.
I’m patriotic.
US Army 1964-1967. I attained the respectable rank of E4.
RA 19803035
I served. I know what duty is.
Which is more than I can say for that pack o’flag-waving, draft-dodging cowards now occupying positions of power in Washington DC and ranting away on right-wing radio about how patriotic they are and now unpatriotic everyone else is.
Give me a goddam break!
Used to wonder about what it meant when I read or heard something about patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundral.
Lookin’ at Rush Limbough, and his allies and wannabees, now I know.
*Cough* Benedict Arnold *Cough*
Hey, your words, fruitcake. Stand by them with an enemy of America against Americans.
TW: Fuck Off. No, actually basic…but it works better.
Carl, I’ll make it as simple as I can.
(1) The little jerk Massoui is a self-proclaimed enemy of Americans, he wants Americans to die.
(2) Showing joy that he hasn’t gotten what he so richly deserves, gloating that this Massoui gets the lesser sentence is to publicly ally with him.
(3) You publicly allied with a self-professed enemy of your nation. Not a self-professed enemy of the Commander and Chimp, but a self professed enemy of the American people.
(4) And you now have the brass bound gall to complain when I question your patriotism and your honor now, at this date? Do I need to continue explaining this or is it as obvious to you now as it was to the rest of us?
I question Carl Goss’ patriotism.