From the Khaleej Times Online, “Interpol says Al Qaeda preparing for biological warfare”:
Interpol said the Al Qaeda terrorist group is preparing to engage in biological warfare in urging countries to enact legislation allowing police to investigate scientific activity that can result in the manufacture of a bio-terrorist weapon.
Ronald Noble, secretary-general of the International Criminal Police Organization (Interpol), told a conference in Singapore that captured terrorist suspects have admitted that their groups are plotting potential biological attacks.
There is enough evidence to show that Al Qaeda is preparing to engage in biological warfare, Noble said.
“It can’t be that we as a world community have to wait for a September 11 type of attack in bio-terrorism before we prepare,†Noble told government officials, police and health experts attending the Asian Terrorism Workshop.
“Institutions that are engaged in any bioscience need to make sure that the controls they have in place are sure that only legitimate scientific investigative activity is going on,†he said.
Police forces worldwide need to be trained, Noble said. They need to know how to investigate bio-terrorism-related cases and how to handle such an attack.
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The law enforcement officers were encouraged to coordinate moves aimed at warding off bio-terrorist attacks or days may past prior to the realization that such a calamity has already occurred.
“Unlike other forms of terrorist acts where the impact can be felt almost instantaneously in the aftermath, we may not realize that a biological attack has occurred until perhaps days or even weeks later,†said Ho Peng Kee, Singapore’s senior minister of state for law and home affairs.
“By that time, the terrorist may already have fled the country or succumbed to the biological agent, and all the valuable investigative leads may have disappeared,†Ho noted in a keynote address.
The after-effects of a bio-terrorist attack may be far more widespread “in this age of easy air travel,†he warned, transcending borders and impacting different continents.
Ho called on countries to reach out to one another and increase their level of cooperation and exchange of information.
Well, it doesn’t speak well of the “world community” if, nearly 5 years after 911, we’re just now realizing we need to “reach out to one another and increase” the level of cooperation and information exchange.
Bioterrorism, to my mind, represents the most base human action imaginable. If, in the name of their God, radical Islamists unleash a biological weapon on a civilian population, the time might finally come when the last of the multiculturalist hangers-on finally falls on his sword.
Which is a shame, really, because we could have used his help shoveling up the hundreds of thousands who might potentially die before such an attack can be contained.
Anyway, here’s a question: at that point—after we learn of an attack, contain it, and clean up our dead—what do we do? Try to locate the perpetrators (who are likely dead themselves)? Conduct a number of investigations into where the toxin came from, who produced it,and then, once we realize we can never know for certain, hold congressional finger-pointing hearings on whose fault it is that the biological attack were successful?
Because frankly, all of those options seem impotent.
Any ideas? Will drastic, non-“compassionate” measures finally be taken—and if they are, shouldn’t they be done without a lot of talk, without a lot of time passing, and—most importantly—without giving it a second thought? I think so—at least, that’s my first reaction. And I believe every civilized nation should stand behind the decision, quickly vigorously pushing back against its opportunistic partisans who see in dissent a potential political inroad to power through appeasement and self-recrimination.
In fact, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have the plan drawn up beforehand and let it be known what the world reaction will be in the event of a biological attack—be it isolating certain countries that are know to aid terrorists, or something more drastic (the official US stance is that nuclear weapons could be used in the event of a biological attack).
So. What do you propose? Tom Tancredo was demonized for stating the obvious: we should take NO options of the table beforehand that can provide our enemies with any assurances about how we are likely to respond to their barbaric attempts at religious “cleansing”.
Me, I’m astounded there isn’t some large coalition plan in place for civilized countries to react to attacks of this sort in a predetermined and orchestrated way—with the first line of defense, of course, being that we do everything we need to do to prevent them before they happen.
Well, short of listening in on phone calls, I mean. Because that’s for pansy-ass bedwetters who FEAR FREEDOM’S AWESOME BURDENS!
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(h/t Allah)
Sounds like you and Duncan have had a meeting of the minds at last, JG. Anthrax in the NYC subway system and THEY NO LONGER LIVE, BITCHES!
OPEN THREAD!
One of these days alice. Pow!
Attack a country with some connection to the strikes. The if we still have an army, use it to attack a country some have been meaning to attack for the last 10 years.
Good answer, actus! Imagine my surprise to see a leftist respond to a difficult policy question with a rote slap at Bush.
Looks like more tales from the pages of The Daily Tripwire.
I honestly believe we’re just living in a calm before The Storm, notwithstanding the daily carnage they bring me between commercials.
There is a plan in place, of that I have no doubt. Also, unfortunately, I have no doubt that there is a relentless ongoing effort by the usual suspects to uncover same plan and publicize, both it, and its weak points.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I know that when I see that footage of kids lying on cots in school gymnasiums because there aren’t empty beds in the hospitals, I’m gonna be gung-ho for some DEMOCRACY-SPREADIN’, Y’ALL!
I spoke at length with a man who lived in Tel Aviv during the first Gulf War. He described to me how he had a small bathroom in his house that he sealed with plastic and duct tape. When the sirens would go off signalling a Scud attack, he would take his wife and two small children into their “gas shelter” and seal it up from the inside. He and his wife would put on their gas masks and then try to get the kids into theirs. The four year old’s mask fit well, but the child was screaming, and crying too hard to be able to breath while it was on. The two year old’s mask never did fit right. They would sit in this room for hours waiting for the all clear sirens.
the army has the charter for bioterrorism.
Kurzweil and other futurists have regular army briefings.
Dr. Yes made a big deal about this podcast where Frist supposedly signs on to the Kurzweil/Joy “Manhattan Project”. Sadly Dr. Frist’s Manhattan proj seems to only involve reduced liability for emergency healthcare providers and drug manufacturers, and stockpiling vaccines.
Instead of RNAi and mutagenic research that Kurzweil/Joy recommend.
ha ha, Dr. Yes forgot! We don’t do that eeevul biotech here in Amerika.
some cheerful linkage.
my links don’t show.
podcast.
bioterrorism and biowarfare
Don’t you get it? This is just a fictitous threat dreamed up by the Bushies.
Like the Japanese before them, the Islamofacists think that Americans are soft, decadent and ready to fold at the first hard blow.
The Japs hit us on December 7th, and we responded by getting hard as coffin nails; herding tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans into camps, dedication our entire industrial base to war, crushing their military and reducing two of their cities to radioactive ash.
We crushed them, we drove them before us, and we heard the lamentation of their women.
Islamic peoples of the world should heed this lesson of history before they allow themselves to be led off a cliff by fanatics. If they, by action or inaction, allow their religion to be used as a weapon against us, they will suffer like no people have ever suffered before. The West is capable of unspeakable violence, and if the sleeping giant is awakened again, there will be hell to pay.
Look. Fuck Al Qaeda, OK? They are so 2001.
Besides which, if Al Qaeda were to let loose the gas at, say, a NATURAL GAS DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, the pressure would have to be reduced to 50 percent, in which case CTU would see it and Jack Bauer would kill everyone involved. And then WHO’S THE REAL TERRORIST HERE???? Huh?
btw, jeff, if you think that link on the sov bioweaponry is terrifying, consider that biotech is just a small subset of nanotech.
trust me, your geeky midnight textbook reader, nanoterrorism and nanowarfare are the ultimate superset of scary.
i sure hope we have someone a little bit brighter than Frist working on that.
And no fake menstrual blood. Ooh, and no loud rap music or chilly bunks. And uh, no inadvertent tinkling on the Koran. Or flushing Korans, which you have to admit, even if untrue, is made credible (to our shame) by our prior inadvertent tinkling. And Wal-mart. I mean, ugh. Tacky.
This attack just PROVES that the current administration is DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT! There will be no victory, no peace, until the evil Repugs are all EXTERMINATED. Only then will we be able to relax, and enjoy a world filled with peace, joy, social justice and cultural tolerance.
Quasi:
And kite-flying, don’t forget kite-flying. Damned Bush, outlawing kites and all. Bastard. Incompetent bastard. Yeah. Or something.
Not to worry about monitoring their phone calls. All they have to do is walk across the border from Mexico and they’ll find a democratic welcoming comittee with watering stations. The democrats will help them carry the bomb to the nearst main highway and get them transportation to the city of their choice. Evidently the democrats would rather see their entire family killed off than admit the president was right. Sicko bunch of people. Everything now points to a lot of WMD being moved out of Iraq, most likely as rumored by the Russians. They will pay a price also, the islamic idiots don’t like anyone including the Russians.
The mass disaster exodus of tens of millions of U.S. citizens fleeing coastal cities the minute after some dirty nuke levels San Diego will perhaps give pause to the more manly Kos left who don’t wet their beds at the thought of a terrorist biological attack. Then after they’ve left Greenwich Village and San Francisco and they’re nestled safely in their respective cots in a high school gymnasium in Idaho, they will get back to the important issues of the day… like bringing down Wal-Mart and, like, staging a jam-band concert for peace. Queen Latifah be damned.
you guyz, i wuv GW.
except for the war-on-science part.
you tell me, how can we protect against bioterrorism when we don’t do biotech?
While Saddam strums and crones, to pass the jail time.
Where have all the WMDs gone…
whatever whatever whatever…
Soviets took them everyone…
The French got my oil-for-food money,
and the Germans did too.
Actually, the French and Germans got the oil. Saddam lost the money…although the French and Germans lost their money too. They’re still sore, I suppose…
Me, I’m sleepy. And I apologize for wasting your bandw…
I’ll say what I said at Ace’s: The solution we should implement right now is politically impossible.
That would be to expel all muslims, tighten up our borders as best we can, get out of Iraq and let it devolve into three states, implement massive attacks on the Iranian nuclear facilities with nuclear bunker-busters, and isolate the muslim countries and let them stew in their 7th-Century shit.
Then tell every muslim head of state the following: If there is another attack on America, its interests, or its allies, we will find the people who planned it, and we will respond with severe conventional strikes on their country of origin, and the country they’re found in, if the two are different. If there is a mass attack, our response will not be so discriminating, and Mecca and Medina will be the first two cities to go boom.
Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is after a large-scale attack.
Spamword, “peace.” This thing is freaky.
The old crone croons…
But our hardons for brown genocide might not last that long.
Ok, I’m beginning to think you’re a parody by some creative conservative, as I suspect about “Mike” at Ace’s, actus. You can’t possibly be that stupid. Then again….
actus, i have always wanted to ask you this….do you believe in evil?
and really, jeff, retribution as a deterrent just won’t work.
they’ll figure they’re heading to paradise, and K’ralnezac is their goal anyways.
They’re dying for the apocalypse, if you will.
They’ve already probed us.
They figured 911 would break our will.
they know better now.
a bioterror attack will be calculated to debilitate us and spread.
read the MIT article I linked to see what the sovs were doing.
and understand that bioengineering like that is EASY now.
That’s a problem, but the solution is to kill as many of them as we can. It’s not about deterrence. My comments earlier about warning the leaders assumes that they have a bit more sanguine view than the real crazies, and wouldn’t much like the idea of losing their power.
Spamword, “shot.” It’s voodoo, man.
no doubt, Actus is the man in black
With the exception, of course, of the wack job in Tehran. I think most of the elites in these countries understand the ramifications of such a threat, and would work harder to root out the people who are planning actions.
Whoa guys!!!
This is not a nuclear battle.
Terrorists by their nature are unafiliated. Afganistan got the democratization treatment because they were sponsering Bin Ladin. There is not much likelyhood of a state sponsoring terrorism. Any nuclear device would kill so many innocent people that it cannot be used. AND, the left’s characterization of America would be proven correct.
Besides, you would hate yourselves in the morning.
If a muslim/west war has to come, lets wait as long as we can. Maybe they will chill out when they see the west is not gonna put up with this forever, a reformation of some kind.
It would also behoove us to stop treating all muslims the same as Al qaeda(port deal).
Actus,
As usual, your thinking is not very deep.
Although, Actus, I’m sure now you’ll want to argue about the definition of intelligence to steer us away from using the word “deep”.
But really, I think the point here is to remember that our foe is serious and we need serious security policy on offence and defense. This doesn’t mean threatening to nuke the world if we have another big attack. But it does mean that we should stop questioning the use of the conventional forces at our disposal in seeking out our enemies, regardless of national boundaries. It’s not like we are “stretched†beyond our capabilities to reap great shit-storms on any target in the world.
What is needed does not stem from our military; we already have what we need. What we need is a consensus at home that we will agree to do whatever it takes to win this war. No more, no less.
I think the question should be cast to our lefty visitors of the last few days.
If you folks really want a debate then let’s debate.
Are you willing to do whatever it takes to defend the people of this nation from another serious attack?
Just kidding. I know you guys don’t give a shit, or worse. . .
…the time might finally come when the last of the multiculturalist hangers-on finally falls on his sword.
The very first thing we do after such an attack is require every major Muslim organization, mosque, etc, in America to publish a condemnation of Al Queda or the perps. If they refuse to do that, refuse to sign on to that, they get deported or put in internment camps.
As for home-grown infidels, let me repeat the first three comments I heard at the university where I work after the 911 attacks. Remember, the attacks occurred early in the morning, and even by lunchtime it appeared we may have lost up to 10,000 dead.
First comment (add heavy sarcasm): “Well, I certainly feel safer knowing Bush is working on a missile-defense program.”
Second—“I just hope that little prick in the White House doesn’t try to lash out and retaliate.”
Third: “This is payback for all the years of our misguided foreign policy.”
So the jokes about blame going to BushHitler are not jokes. We’re talking bat-shit crazy here, folks.
Let’s be honest here. If such an attack takes place, we’re back to Wretchard’s Three Conjectures, and it’ll be time to enter 1.2×10^9th on their end of the balance sheet.
Which, of course, is what we’ve been trying to prevent with this whole “democratize them at bayonet-point” gig we’ve been pushing the last few years.
T.W. Death is but a doorway. Here, let me hold that open for you…
I don’t think the West’s cultural self-esteem has been so badly damaged that we wouldn’t defend ourselves, and I also don’t think we’ve lost our moral compass such that we wouldn’t feel entirely justified unleashing the stone-faced killers, particularly if huge numbers of our innocent citizens were indiscriminately slaughtered with WMD. If the terrorists were state-sponsored in any way, I could also see the real possibility of some WMD used in retaliation.
A very few people seem to have the battered spouse philosophy: we made them mad, it’s all our fault, we brought this on ourselves, let’s just be nicer, etc, etc.
Most of middle america though? Not so much.
*But our hardons for brown genocide might not last that long. *
Do you understand what genocide is ? If I read you correctly, you believe people’s solution involve killing every muslim ?Obviously, nobody wants that and I’ll assume even you don’t believe republicans want to kill every muslim in the world. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, I have no love for Islamofacists but I am very fond of the Iraqis, especially the Kurds, who I believe have showed their true colors (purple) in taking the steps to make their country a better place.
That being said, I do expect significant retaliation in the event of an attack on the US- and its very simple- we retaliate against the countries pushing us now- Syria and Iran. Were they responsible ? Who knows but their governmental policies encourage destruction of Israel and the West- I’m not looking for law enforcement solutions, I’m looking at deterrents. Are the governments in Iran and Syria primarily composed of bad people who are openly hostile to the US and its allies- yes. Do we have evidence that they sponser terrorism? Yes. Thus, we have our targets.
Terrorists are at an advantage because they generally claim no affiliation to any country- however, the countries that sponser terrorism or assist in terrorism are at a disdadvantage after a 9-11 type attack, as we will paint the bullseye on them, when the American people demand action.
Yes, yes, yes, jihad, armageddon, nukes and virii and bacteria and more bleeding rectums than Castro Street…
Fact is that the jihad can’t shoot straight. The fact is also that biowarfare has been attempted, not once, not twice but over and again.
Anyone remember anthrax? This isn’t feudal Europe, we don’t live in communal houses, sleeping next to each other, breathing each other’s lung butter. This isn’t Mexica; small pox and tropical diseases won’t decimate us like it did them.
Terrorism is always about that slender percentage of a percentage tithed to the devil. The jihad is simply incompetent. It will cause epidemics, not pandemics. It will destroy a stadium before it ever destroys a city.
In the worst, a nuke, it will almost certainly underyield. Death tolls will be thousands, maybe tens of thousands. We have millions. They have a billion.
We will never exterminate them. They are simply too incompetent to provoke us.
Wow, it’s good to see Interpol’s right on top of things, how many years after the anthrax attacks in the US and the ricin finds in London…?
And WTF with the margins of this thread, Jeff?
I’m not so sure, Scott Free. I mean, I’d like to believe this, but I can’t. I think a good 1/2 of our people HAVE become soft and decadent. I think that when push comes to shove, 1/2 would be willing to appease, and the other 1/2 would be willing to do what it takes.
If Bush loses the Republican majority in Congress, expect us to pull out of (or lose funding for) Iraq, which will then send the message that we have become soft.
TV (Harry)
tw: It ain’t any better south of the border, is it?
Of course. And internment camps and genocide, oh my.
Yes, we’ve got a hardon for brown genocide. That’s why at the first excuse we swept up all of the brown people in the US into extermination camps, nuked every brown-populated city, and now stand athwart a world free of brown people.
mattm,
Not yet, at least. But we’re terrifyingly close.
That’s their strategy, and allowing them to use it gives them an advantage. Don’t allow your enemy any advantage. An attack from a state is an attack by a state. We know that Iran, Iraq, Syria and Egypt (among others) all either directly sponsor terrorists, or look they other way when they’re in their territory. That’s more than enough to make them targets.
Huh? Hello, Iran-Hizb’allah? Syria/Lebanon-PLO?
That’s not a bug for them, it’s a feature. None of us are innocent to our enemies – they make no distinction between civilian and military. Now, if you’re talking about us using a nuke on them, then by the time we do that, one (or both) of two things have occured: We’re willing to inflict mass casualties to get them to surrender, or we’re finally convinced that it’s either them or us.
Only because we’ve dithered around worrying what our enemy’s fellow travellers think about us that we are left only with exquisitely horrible choices. We want to root our enemies out now before it turns into something much worse.
No, I won’t. I’ll go in and look at my three kids, and know that the chances of them getting gassed, diseased or nuked has just dropped precipitously. I’ll feel bad that it came to that, but not too much.
Hello? We’re in one right now. The longer we wait to change them, through one pressure or another, the more chances we give them to acquire and use nukes/bugs/gas.
I’m not willing to bet my life and my children’s lives on the chance of a turnaround of a murderous ideology. We haven’t shown them, aside from a few limited efforts, that we are ‘not gonna put up with this forever’. We’ve tolerated attack after attack and worldwide terrorism, with barely a peep of a response. It finally took something spectacular to get us to do anything concrete.
Fine, as soon as that reformation comes through, as soon as the doctrines of jihad and taqquiyah are utterly, unconditionally renounced by imams at Mecca, and accepted across the Muslim world. As soon as the non-Ummah no longer reside in the Dar al’Harb. As soon as apostasy is no longer deserving of death. As soon as Saudi Arabia is as tolerant of Judaism and Christianity as Israel and Italy are of Islam.
You think so? I thought they expected to start somthing with 911, not end it.
Very serious. For example:
This one violates how many ammendments? Does it matter? Is it not more fun to get big boners thinking along these lines than with seriousness? Is it not a measure of how serious we are that we have the biggest bone around? Is that not how competence is measured once we are ruled by the fratboys? This is serious guys. Very.
No. That’s target #2. Target #1 is someone with a connection to the attack. THEN we move on to people that are muslim and we’ve always wanted to attack. But no asians.
actus
Your commitment to idealism is merely suicidal tendencies dressed up to look like virtue. It would be nice if the world worked in the way you seem to imagine it, but the cold reality is that it does not.
well, I don’t think failing to demand “publication or internment” is that suicidal. It would be nice if the world followed its law. But we can’t expect that from our government can’t we? that’s idealism? Or maybe the harsh reality of what we’re fighting for?
What is this world that should follow it’s law of which you speak?
Nobody asked me, but I’m kind of sick of reading leftists with nothing substantive to add to the discussion. The Right may be wrong about how to address the problem of Islamic terrorism, but at least they’ve got ideas. The Left, as exemplified by the likes of actus, have got nothing but snark and drive-by, emotionally driven attacks.
And that’s not helpful.
Just the other day on the the thread about the convert I gave you a nice generic stump speech level strategery.
None. If you institute martial law, which, if tens of thousands bleed from their eyes, tens of thousands of kids wither on matted bedding, and cough out their lives.
That’s what we’re talking about, a mass casualty attack. America can take thousands dead and ruined. We have. But everyone knows someone who knew someone to die on 911.
If biowarfare kills us by the thousand—if I lose family members, god fucking forbid that—and the Ummah should drop to their knees and sing the Almighty praises of America. If they don’t grab the National Ensign and run marathons singing the National Anthem, there will be murders.
If I lose a sister, a child, crusty-eyed, choking into hospital sheets, justice, vengeance must be done. May the government be that vengeance, that relentless sentry of its people, by its people, for its people, or its people must tear the cancer from the Ummah, with the devil’s normal tithe of innocence.
Your call, bud, the lesser sin or the greater. I already know which you prefer.
Is it just me, or are the comments screwed up? They comments appear, but the commentors info doesn’t.
SarahW
I’ll do a ctrl-f for that on my copy of the constitution.
See. Its not so much about suicidal idealism, as it is about insecurity and subjugation of the brown.
That’ll be the best part. Will it be like hte Turner diaries? Will you go after the liberals that say you’re a bloodthirsty redneck lawbreaker?
This is really fun. I mean, here you are getting a big bone? and I’m getting one too. Thinking, what you are you going to do when I get in your way? Or when you imagine that I am? Sexy!
This is really fun. I mean, here you are getting a big bone? and I’m getting one too.
You’ll excuse me if I don’t go running off to look for your “stump speech level strategery” if that’s any indication of what to expect.
It is fortunate that very few will listen to you actus, for by your words you would mindlessly stick to the idealism that defines our society even while our enemies will use it’s weaknesses against us. Never mind that history has shown us that it is sometimes necessary to step outside the lines. Any student of history can tell you that 2 of our greatest presidents did just that, and to a far greater extent than we have seen from our current leader.
Which is why my earlier comment stands.
Verc, read my link to the MIT technology review at 11:40.
the sovs were working on some uberscary stuff twenty years ago.
like bacteria spliced with endorphin producers to pacify a population.
it was very, very difficult and expensive to do that stuff then.
now it is cheap and easy.
you can buy a used gene sequencer on e-bay.
and just how dear do you think slightly used sov biowarfare technology would be?
the sad thing is that we could protect against a flu pandemic with same technology.
but we don’t do biotech in this country.
“bloodthirsty redneck lawbreaker?”
Shorter actus:
Brown people good, red people bad.
Making him exactly human, like the rest of us. I think he’s of a different sort than the troll brigade. I don’t think he’s arguing in bad faith.
*No. That’s target #2. Target #1 is someone with a connection to the attack. THEN we move on to people that are muslim and we’ve always wanted to attack. But no asians. *
lol, Actus. Lemme repeat myself so I know you’ve seen it
REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES DO NOT WANT TO KILL MUSLIMS.
*we’ve always wanted to attack.*
Answer this question for me please. WHY do we want to attack these countries (I’ll agree, for the purpose of this argument, that we DO want to attack these countries…)? You must think we have a reason – is it simply b/c we want to murder brown people ? Or is it about stealing their oil ? Can you see any justifiable reasons for an attack on Iran and Syria ?
all, when it’s already happened, it is just too late.
bag that retribution crap, it’s a non-starter.
prevention. we know how to do that!
“you can buy a used gene sequencer on e-bay.
but we don’t do biotech in this country.”
So e-bay is a soviet company? Who knew?
bezuhov, t’aint funnie.
see also “bioethics” council.
He’s right. You can buy a gene sequencer for $499.99 “Buy it now” on ebay.
Whoa! Link cleanup, asile 3!
Good night, sleep tight, don’t let the ricin enter your system and destroy you gastronomically from the intestines outward
Wouldn’t that be “gastrically”?
Okely dokely, actus
1 [person] dead = bad
3000 dead = very bad
Now if you believe CAIR and liberal talking points1, after we lost 3000 people, we interned literally hundreds of brown folk for the crime of being brown in America. And literally hundreds of hate crimes were reported2.
I stipulate that we can believe liberals. After 3000 dead, lots of bad things happen, right, actus? These are your people, your fellow travelers, after all.
So 3000 dead x 10 ( x 10 again) = extraordinarily bad. Which means thousands of brown folk arrested for their melanin defects and thousands of hate crimes (LITERALLY!).
If we talk about pandemic and millions dead, like some of nishi’s Russian bugs threaten, what happens, genius?3
Per usual, you risk both the crime itself and the punishment, not even against hallowed Law, but your own beliefs and hang-ups.
1 LOL
2 snort
3 Hint: #nternment and #ate crimes by the tens of #housands
TW: admission; I wonder if actus has actually been admitted to law school or just plays on PBS.
What patent bullshit, Actus, and you know it. Do you think anyone here would feel any differently if we were talking about blue-eyed blondes from Sweden? Stop with the racial bullshit Actus and start answering the questions with some objectivity.
TV (Harry)
tw: Pump up the volume
nishi, the problem with the bio stuff is that even a really nasty bug has limitations.
Fact is, a really nasty bug could hurt America/the West. But it would absolutely destroy the Third World. It would be a boomerang suicide bomb, smashing through our cities, suffocating Europe and Asia in funeral incense, and then it would empty the Middle East. And land in Africa, per usual.
Like Saddam in the first Gulf War not using chemical weapons against our troops, we are much better equipped than most (even if that is faint praise). States know this, so they won’t go for it. And the jihad hasn’t exactly attracted star intellects; strapping Down’s syndrome kids to steering columns isn’t grand strategery.
I think the jihad is dangerous. I think biowar is possible, not doomsday, but painful nonetheless. But unless UBL spreads camel-AIDS, I don’t think much will come of this.
Its really not that idealistic to call out you sickos on your fantasies of mass death and subjugation of people of the same religion and ethnic group as an attacker.
I’m sure there are different people with different reasons.
Sounds good. I mean, when we get attacked by a terrorist, and then contemplate retaliation against a religion? Time to drop the racial bullshit.
Hmmmm.
1. A couple years ago the Spanish Flu virus was reconstituted for research purposes. They dug up blood and tissue samples from American soldiers that died of the disease and the corpse of an Eskimo who had died from Spanish Flu and was buried in permafrost.
These researchers then promptly sent specimens of the Spanish Flu all over the world, including the middle east.
2. The Spanish Flu and H5N1 have a lot of similarities. Particularly in that they both affect healthy people in the same way.
link
3. Many jihadists are actually well educated and come from influential and affluent families.
4. I’m not an expert on genetic engineering so YMMV, but I don’t believe that genetically modifying the H5N1 virus with genes spliced in from the Spanish Flu is beyond impossible. The Spanish Flu had a mortality of 5%. H5N1 has a mortality of at least 55%, and that is *with* full-on hospital treatment including the use of ventilators and Tamiflu treatments.
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So is it completely beyond possible for jihadists to produce a human transmissible form of H5N1 to seed the West with? Any sort of virulent pandemic would effectively shut the country down even without a single fatality. With at least a 55% mortality rate the hospitals would be overwhelmed in short order and the order for a quarratine would be required.
Frankly some friends and I are starting to get prepared for this possibility. I’m personally not betting money on either H5N1 mutating into a virulent human transmissible form or radical jihadists deliberately engineering H5N1.
Because religion = race.
Mind Numbingly Stupid = Actus
Hmmm.
That’s idiotic. America is the single largest developer of biotech in the world today.
Don’t conflate biotech with Embryonic Stem Cell research, they are not one and the same.
Seen me doing any of that? I didn’t think so.
Damn, you’re stupid. And when you’re not utterly witless, you’re pathologically dishonest. And when you’re not lying through your teeth, you’re transparently hard up for attention. Any attention. Even if it means bending over a thousand and one times in a public forum. What a pathetic creature you are.
If you can defend this diarrhea with anything more than another of your mindless assertions about fictional redneck shotgun toters, I’ll eat Jeff’s blogroll. Un be fucking lievable.
It simply works like this ass-tuse: In a nuke age the only recourse for a people who intend to preempt and/or outlive a WMD threat is to convincingly eliminate it.
Since that strategy isn’t yet completely palatable to the fools like you (who would instantly whine aloud if Bushco allowed another 9/11) and since those preemptive/defensive tactics are likewise at the least publicly unwritten, and since it’s clear that it’s actually going to take another 9/11 for you to pull your head out of your race-baiting twat, I’d say you’re in no position to make such disgusting charges.
You can screw around all day and week around here—as is your foolish wont—but when Vercingtorix’s reality comes knocking, you mewling little punk, do not—repeat, do not—come around looking for somebody to bunk with in your denial-drenched urban hellhole of sudden death and dismemberment.
Yeah, I vividly recall the cowards at NPR momentarily changing their Marxist tune immediately following 9/11. You are as shameless as they. You are easily the most disgusting waste of time I’ve ever encountered online.
Of course, the redneck murderers that I keep hearing about would understand these subtleties.
Hmmm.
Frankly the key is to return to the classics. The Roman view of “if you want peace, be prepared for war” seems to be the logical answer.
Question:
Answer:
Completely saturate the following with nuclear weapons:
1. North Korea.
2. Iran.
3. Saudi Arabia.
Then we can get down to work on finding out who is responsible. After we figure that out, then we nuke the whomever it is.
Oh, stop oppressing me, Mr. Redbaiter.
What happens to Dearborn, actus, if 10,000 Detroiters die from a ricin attack launched by you-know-who? Or 20K? More?
Hint: A lot of brown people get jacked up by alot of black people. Like in LA, where ‘Chicanos’, homes, fight blacks, or where blacks stormed Korean stores during the OJ riots.
You’re preening above your weight, son. Unless black folk have rednecks too…
Its only a rote slap at bush when I say it.
Its a state of mind really.
“Qui desiderat Pacem, preparet Bellum.”
But the old ways are dead. We should put a few nations on high alert; Iran, Saud, Syria, Libya, probably Pakistan if Musarraf falls. All of the usual suspects in other words.
If we get nuked, you get nuked. That would restore the Cold War MAD symmetry by fiat: Any terrorist organization in pursuit of nuclear weapons is in fact a threat to those nations.
Thus the old methods, of dividing the civil powers—and the public—from the belligerents, would work again. Call it Raving MAD if you want; the best way to keep a WMD attack from happening is to hold the Middle East Tyrants hostage. They’ll work for you.
I have spent more time protecting Muslims (“white” Bosniaks and “brown” Afghanis) than you have time in law school. Swing that broad brush a bit less, hmmm.
Oh, sir, so you admit that you’re a part of the slow-motion holocaust engulfing the Muslim world on behalf of Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Walmart?
The racist policies of the US have us doing exactly what the Israelis are doing in Palestine; genocide of Evangelical Rednecks.
TW: Demographics, because I thought genocidaires were supposed to reduce their victims, not subsidize them.
by, not of. PIMF
i’m not. read the bioethics council yourself. read fukayama on “our posthuman future”. they are against genetic-engineering and superbiology and biogerontology in all forms.
1. the SotU:
unfrozen caveman george bush–“nanotech good! biotech bad!”
ie, human cloning and chimeras.
2. education:
gw: emphasis math, physics, everything but biochem and genetics.
we no longer lead the world in biotech. google brain drain.
Don’t bother with actus. He’s just a child, like all the other emotionally stunted children who soak up the multi-culti pablum in the public schools and college. I gives them a template so that they don’t have to think for themselves. They can look at everything through their race/gender/sexual orientation goggles. And, BONUS, it allows them to indulge in the fantasy that they’re so much better and smarter than everybody else.
nishizono shinji–You’re being ridiculous. First, beyond cutting off government funding, there’s little the administration can do to slow biotech research even if it wanted to, which it doesn’t. There’s a bioethics council’s recommendations and actual policy.
Second, you’re thinking about these disciplines don’t reflect reality. Biotech and nanotech aren’t two completely distinct fields, as you are presenting them to be. They intersect and overlap all over the place. I work for the engineering college at a large, mid-level public research university and my job requires me to learn about the research efforts of its faculty members. Many of these individuals are, right now, working on bionano projects that specifically address terrorism concerns, and they are doing so in conjunction with chemists, biologists, MDs and others. Many, btw, are doing so with the support of government grants.
wow.
How can you terror fighters get any typing done when you’re always jumping up from the keyboard and looking out the window for incoming WMD’s lobbed by turban-wearing jihadists?
I joke now, but someday when you all are in your bunkers and I’m wandering around in rags and gnashing my teeth I’ll BEG you to let me in and give me a Freedom Cake or some Liberty Water and you’ll say No Way Jose.
And man, then I’ll be so sad and I’ll be really bummed that I listened to NPR and made fun of our President. And then I’ll die…Without freedom in my heart and without Jesus in my wallet.
But until then, MARS BITCHES! WHOO HOO!
(39 percent and falling…39 percent and falling…39 percent and falling)
Well, get on it already.
No need to get defensive.
Now if we could just do it on behalf porn, flagburning and secularism, we’d be on our way to victory.
Let me see if I understand everyone’s points here…
Apparently, Interpol says that the varous organizations involved in the ever excalating war on terror are seeking to use bio woarfare and chemical warfare. No shit. tomorrows headline will undoubtedly be a missive about water maintaining it’s ‘wet status.
This big news is taken by the winger brain trust in here as further evidence that liberals want to light a campfire and sing kumbaya with al Qaeda hijackers to achieve understanding and whatever, Of course, the conservatives only want to allow Bush (chorus of angels) to break any and every law or treaty he feels like to prevent a terrorist attack. This has been so successful that they can’t imagine how anyone could ever get the idea that any ogther course of action is even possible… or desirable?
Ok then, carry on.
CK, take a leaf from Actus – he manages to maintain a quality of tone in his trolling that’s consistent and even impressive, in a snarky, juvenille way. Maybe you could apprentice yourself with him, perhaps progress to the point where you can snatch the strawman from his hand. Your drive-by misrepresentation/bad-faith tactics would benefit from the…um…improvement.
Wait…let me guess. Your brain function?
No, these aren’t by the same person. I just thought it was a fun juxtaposition by members of… The Right.
Not enough dead people.
Can’t waste time thinking when there are people to be killed.
See? David has studied with the Master, CK – it’s all in the casual one-liner. Face it -his troll-fu is better.
*I’m sure there are different people with different reasons. *
Actus- you constantly impune the reasoning of the BUsh administration- thus, my question, is why do YOU think the Bush administration wants to invade Iran/Syria.
*Its really not that idealistic to call out you sickos on your fantasies of mass death and subjugation of people of the same religion and ethnic group as an attacker.*
Where does this opinion of us come from ? Mass death ? We don’t want mass death – we want the terrorists to leave us alone. Subjugation ? I don’t see the Iraqis being “subjugated”- unless your definition of the term is different then mine. If anything, we’re not subjugating them- we’re helping them run their own country. For a country you apparently consider imperialistic, we sure do alot of nation building when we’ve beaten our enemies (feel free to look at the history of Germany and Japan after world war II).
Personally, I think many of your comments are made solely for the purpose of getting a reaction.
By the way, we should keep in mind, when we talk about
we are talking about, among other things, smashing in the heads of 5 year old girls, tearing babies limb from limb, and setting innocent women on fire. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be doing these things, they may arguably be necessary for our self-defense. I just think we ought to keep in mind what it is we are advocating.
Hmmm.
@ actus
It’s the way you say it actus.
T-web, biotech is a subset of nanotech.
George Bush is the one that doesn’t get that.
did you even listen to the SotU?
prove it. they sure aren’t working on Frist’s manhattan project.
if no one is listening to the “bioethics” council, less fire ‘em.
cut the pork.
If the government doesn’t fund basic research, it won’t get done. Follow the money.
private companies will just work on weight loss magic pills, viagras, and orgasm in a bottle.
get real.
universities can’t fund basic research on their own either.
other countries will do this research, and researchers from here will go there. we’ll have no input.
fine, if you want to want to be second class citizens in the world of science.
Hmmm.
Absolutely correct. There is a natural merging of both biotech and nanotech as they seek to accomplish the same exact aims:
Manipulation and creation on the basis of, and at the scale of, molecules.
Frankly I’m not at all certain what nishizono shinji is trying to say here. If America doesn’t lead in biotech research, then who does? America certainly doesn’t lead in bioWAR research, at least to my knowledge, but that’s not at issue here is it? We’re not talking about attacking someone with biowar weapons, we’re discussing how to survive and deal with one.
See, CK? David just pulled out the “War is bad for children and other living things” trope. Couldn’t you feel the self-righteousness? Couldn’t you see the condescending head-tilt?
That’s the way it’s done.
Pretty much limns Al Qaeda’s tactics, huh?