Jeff’s progressive friend #1: “I don’t know how you can even begin to defend this outrageous affront to our civil liberties, Jeff. It shocks me—really shocks me!—that you, of all people, have no problem with Bushco eavesdropping on American citizens –”
Jeff’s progressive friend #2: “—Citizens who, let’s add, are protected by the very Constitution your President claims he’s fighting to uphold.”
Jeff’s progressive friend #1: “Exactly. Clearly, you can see the hypocrisy –?”
Jeff’s progressive friend #2: “– The BLATANT hypocrisy…?”*
Jeff’s progressive friend #1:
Jeff’s progressive friend #2: “…Well…?”
me: “Oh, wait—you guys were being serious?”
But…but…Progressive outrage is sacred.
I mean, where there’s faux, there’s ire.
The Big Windbag is right. These idiots will do ANYTHING to make us lose this war.
I just hope Bush has the balls to go after whoever is leaking all this stuff. Valerie Fucking Plame damages national security and the leaks through the NYT don’t?
Give me a break…
Not to link-whore, but related . . .
Nope, they most certainly are not being serious. This is another fart is a teapot.
These idiots will do ANYTHING to make us lose this war.
Very true. I wonder if there is any way we could have them interned, as was done with the Japanese in WWII. Just for the duration of the war obviously, and just the most egregious cases: Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan. Given that we are not fighting a war on two fronts—GWOT and TWOC—we can hardly afford to have fifth columnists running around aiding the enemy. This is no time for Tokyo Rose.
Uh, you might not remember, but that didn’t actually work very well…
I say let them talk. F/9-11 didn’t do Kerry any favors and Sheehan isn’t exactly the focus of a popular movement like her pretenders tell her she is.
Me to Progressive Twits: “Yeah, thanks for the lesson in group-speak, I’m gonna go rotate my tires now. “
– Hmmmmm….. sounds more and more that what we’ve all suspected for some time has happened. The “Big Tent†has completely collapsed on its wingnut denizens.
– I thinking that somewhere in a dessert bunker Bin Laden is wondering to himself why he ever bothered to start a shooting war at all. Just lobby and finance the Democratic party and let them take it from there.
Not entirely off topic, but I got banned from commenting on a “progressive” site today. The proprietor was content with having the last word, rather than engage ideas which were inconvenient to their narrative.
Anyone else up for helping me produce some End The Jihad bumper stickers? It’s the least I can do to push back.
– Make those read “End the Liberal/Progressive Jihad” and I’ll throw in with you…..
No, I think Smithy may be on to something… Maybe they should wear a patch with “D” for Democrat or “L” for Liberal until we figure out a Final Solution for them. THIS IS WAR. There can’t be any room for dissent. Smithy, you should start a club, or a group for other like-minded folk. Brown is in this year: you could have a uniform with like brown shirts.
F/9-11 didn’t do Kerry any favors and Sheehan isn’t exactly the focus of a popular movement like her pretenders tell her she is.
Maybe you’re right, politically, but I’m not talking about politics here, I’m talking about national security. What they do, I feel, emboldens the terrorists—it creates the idea that we might cut and run if they set off enough suicide bombs. Do we really want that idea being promulgated by borderlin traitors?
Ha ha, robot. You damn well that’s not what I mean. And, anyway, you lose—Godwin’s rule.
The internment of the japanese was in on way comparable to what Hitler did. Michelle Malkin wrote a book about it. You should read it instead of running around making spurious comparisons with Nazism.
I meant more in terms of a State’s impulse to round up “troublemakers” and disappear them for awhile–or permanantly. You were just talking about temporary measures, so I guess it’s ok. You make an omelet with breaking a few civil liberties.
“Can’t make…without…” my fingures got crossed.
I meant more in terms of a State’s impulse to round up “troublemakers†and disappear them for awhile-
I think that impulse is called “self preservation” when a country is at war and without it, who knows where we would be?
First, go to this site sometime and read a scholarly version of The Internment:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
We’re at War? And how do you tell who’s who? Who are the troublemakers? The brown ones with the turbans? Tim McViegh didn’t wear one of those.
We’re at War? And how do you tell who’s who? Who are the troublemakers?
That’s part of why we need better surveillance. You’re making my argument for me.
No…
Bigger, better, more widespread surveillance doesn’t do squat…or we would have Bin Laden by now. Or WMDs. Or who leaked to Rove.
Wow. This is what America has come to: a mic in every pot. Neighbor spying on neighbor.
This all sounds right up your alley now, but will you feel as excited about the surrender of civil liberties when your arch-enemies, the Liberal Homo Pinko Christmas Haters come to power?
Wow. This is what America has come to: a mic in every pot. Neighbor spying on neighbor.
You forgot the part about the hysterical bedwetting.
I think it’s brave of you to finally share your problem with us.
Anyway…since McViegh was a whitey and didn’t fit the profile, I geuss we should just monitor every single person in the US just in case?
I geuss we should just monitor every single person in the US just in case?
That would be neither efficient nor cost effective. But if we profile, then we can hopefully monitor most problems. I think a lot of facts about McVeigh should have set off alarms within the FBI.
Well, good luck with sorting all of that out. Maybe stick with the brown people I geuss. They stick out. And the ones who openly oppose the President. That might work. And the internment camps. Ha Ha.
I’d like to take this moment to thank Smithy for being so bat-shit crazy that he makes trolls look reasonable.
Thank you, Smithy. Thank you.
So Jeff,
These friends, are they “Take one for the team” friends, or “Ongoing habit” friends?
Either way, enjoy the party.
It isn’t hypocrisy so much as criminal activity. I though you guys were the law and order party. Seems to me I’ve heard you preach limiting government powers.
Now I understand that illegally spying on American citizens doesn’t compare to lying about a blowjob, but shouldn’t the right own up to some principles?
Jim, what law do you think has been broken?
Well no, the Brits interned during the Boer War, so did the Spanish during their last roundup in
cuba in the 1890s. The term ‘concentration camp’
actually comes up from the Boer War, in Spanish,
it’s ‘reconcentrados. The Brits had a full state
of emergency, in both World Wars, and interned
among other Philby’s father and the British would
be fuhrer; Mr. Mosley. Most recently, we have
heard the Brits held a similar facilities for German nationals and POWs, that lasted till two
years after the war. The Japanese internment, is
a tough call, what % was motivated by racism,
greed, and other by concerns brought by the MAGIC
intercepts. Then there’s the case of the more generalized internment of German and Italian
nationals in this country; among them Joe Dimaggio’s father, as I recall. Bringning things
back to the present, our national security establishment as we know it was largely the
result of the efforts of James Forrestal, the
oil concession brokering, and German industrial
trading, former Wall Streeter, who made Rumsfeld
look like a piker; Doug Brinkley, before becoming
John Kerry’s Boswell, wrote a slash and burn tome
on Forrestal, called “Driven Patriot”, and he didn’t mean it as a complement. As Navy and later
defense Secretary, he was responsible for
propagating the hard line Cold Warrior view through use of CIA personel, using media union,
etc. He was also one of the leading forces behind
behind the establishment of COMINT, which would
later become the NSA. In short, he was a one man
PNFY, until he was forced out of the Pentagon, and
killed himself?? in a Washington DC hospital.
Hmmm.
@ Robot Collaborator
If you’re looking for an example of domestic terrorist all you have to do is look at the lefties. Even now the biggest and most active domestic terror group is ELF, Earth Liberation Front. Liberals of course. Then of course there are those oldies but goodies the SDS and the Black Panthers. Plus all of those other acronym nutbags.
But of course the whole point of identifying McVeigh as white is to paint this all as some sort of racist agenda, par for the course for liberals who are most often more racist than any conservative.
Frankly I’d normally spend more effort in debunking you, but you’re really not worth the effort.
Hmmm.
@ jim
I’m sure an ironic statement can be made of liberal ideals and the fact that Clinton was the one who promulgated rendition.
Of course you lefties always try to forget that.
You’re right, I’m not…
We should concentrate on folks with funny Middle Eastern names at least.
And people who don’t have Christmas decorations up.
Looks like some of Jeff’s progressive friends found their way to his site. Cheers, look around..
And people who don’t have Christmas decorations up.
You “progressives” can’t resist the anti-Christian pot shots, can you?
Idea of singling out funny sounding named people= ok
Making fun of the Non-War on Christmas= bad
Robot, I didn’t single out any people with funny-sounding names unless you think that McVeigh is a funny-sounding name. And somehow I knew you’d get a dig in on TWOC, which, sadly, is much more real than you imagine.
The “Idea” of singling out people with funny sounding names to keep us all safe and sound is less upsetting to you than an idiotic non-War on a cultural mainstay, i.e. Christmas. And I agree, it is very sad that it is so real.
Sadder still is that you have a little acronym for it: TWOC. Here’s one for you: TWOCL “The War on Civil Liberties.”
we have another acronym, too, LARC. Laughing at Robot Collaborator.
Like Hitler, the loony Left are our (conservatives) best ally and their own worst enemy.
Well said. Again, good luck with your new project. Don’t let any slip through the cracks…
Merry Holidays.
“Michelle Malkin wrote a book about it. “
Of course! how could we pass up her scholarship?
Hmmm…I would pay you $5, Jeff, to ask those your friends screaming about their rights being trampled and the legality (or not) of this NSA action if the Iraqis were better off under Saddam because of security.
Because here? We are just appalled that with bi-partisan governmental oversight 13 people were wiretapped while they talk to alQaeda. But Iraqis? They didn’t mind having their kids taken from their highs schools and their tongues cut out because it gave them SECURITY.
BushHitler wiretaps with (legally supervised, extremely limited) impugnity while FATHER SADDAM WEEPS IN PRISON.
That’s a very good point, MayBee. The left goes bananas about a little wire-tapping of terrorists, but they were more than happy to support Saddam’s reign of repression in Iraq. What hypocrites.
We’re “singling out people with funny names”?!
FINALLY!
“Well said. Again, good luck with your new project. Don’t let any slip through the cracks…
Merry Holidays.”
Okay, thanks. And a Power to the Proletariat right back at ya.
Toodles.
Oh…and umm, down with Whitey and all that k? k.
I fucking swear there needs to be a corollary to Godwin’s Law
because I’m so damned tired of any discussion of Islamism, al Qaeda, et al ALWAYS bring the Leftist cultists sneering like Tom Cruise at Brooke Shields “Hey, what about Tim McVeigh? Huh Huh? And Eric Rudolph? Ya got that? Proves that FacistZionistXtianNeoCons are JUST as dangerous as any so-called terrorist.”
BTW, who the fuck labors under the delusion that white supremacist groups in the US are NOT under surveillance? Why aren’t you fried synapse pod people out with posters demanding the stop to the spying on the Aryan Brotherhood?
Just put all the bad people in a camp, or kill them.
That would work, right? So let’s do it.
I mean, how hard can it be to win the War On Terror, really?
Isn’t that what the Loyal Opposition proposes?
Just get rid of the Bad People, right?
Because we all know who the Bad People are. They wear those vests, and have those specific codes attached to their National ID cards.
So it should be a simple matter to inter or eliminate them without inconveniencing any of the good people.
I really don’t understand the problem here.
Well Jeff, as this comment thread amply illuminates, you made your point.
“you were being serious?”Bring on the Dillo, he can’t dance but he does have lame excuses.
TW “life” living large man!
Because we all know who the Bad People are.
No, we don’t, you idiot. That’s why we need surveillance.
See…. it was a Smokey Stover thing:
BECAUSE OF THE FOO!
I’m a bit confused: did Tom Cruise and Brook Shields have an argument along these lines. I assumed they were both liberals.
Tom Cruise only thinks he has The Truth and such Deep Knowledge it give him the right to judge and publicly berate Shields.
Much as our Leftist f
riends approach the Bush administration.Smithy, the less you say, the better. Just suggesting.
From my blog, earlier:
Not to be too cynical, but I can’t think of any Leftist or anti-war/anti-Bush activist who would not benefit immensely from the disclosure that he or she had been spied on by Bushitler. It would absolutely be the greatest thing that had ever happened to the fucking moron.
And if Smithy and Robot Collaborator don’t have the same IP address, I’m Sheena, Queen of the Jungle. Just because one sock puppet is on the left hand and one is on the right, doesn’t make this an episode of “Crossfire.”
“And if Smithy and Robot Collaborator don’t have the same IP address, I’m Sheena, Queen of the Jungle. Just because one sock puppet is on the left hand and one is on the right, doesn’t make this an episode of “Crossfire.—
Heh, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Great christmas party stories? I left this as part of a comment at Tom Maguires but I can’t resist, I almost shit my pants…
Last year I was at a Christmas party where the most celebrated leftist in the city was loudly ranting on and on about the government and his desire to leave the retched evil US
The very polite guest he happened to blabbing to, sort of nonchalantly reached inside his coat and while politely listening pulled out his checkbook. Still politely listening he started to write in the checkbook. Finally the blabber asked the polite listener (even if he wanted to engage in the conversation the blabber wouldn’t have given him an opportunity ==if you get what I mean) what he was doing,
The polite listener said deadly serious “I am writing you a check for a first class one way ticket to the country of your choice, really, anywhere you want” The loud blabber suddenly went completely silent.
topsecretk9
Brilliant!
I can’t listen to Democrat solutions because they won’t even acknowledge the real problems.
Of course, “Democrat solution” is a bit of an oxymoron.
“Hey, what about Tim McVeigh? Huh Huh?”
All those white boys in the gubmint done killed his ass.
And Eric Rudolph? Ya got that?
Some white cop found him scrounging around in a dumpster and locked his ass up. He may yet ride the lightning, courtesy of the Xtian redneck white boys in the deep, stupid, Bush-worshipping south.
I can’t wait to hear about the notorious terrorists dealt with thusly by those people with funny sounding names.
Hmmm… “Robot Collaborator” sounds kinda funny, doesn’t it?
Yo, Bubba! Com’ere for a minute…
Great story, tosecret. I’ll be retelling that one at Chrismas parties next week.
Hey guys, catch me up….
Was the arrest of Eric Rudolph part of the War on Christmas?
I’m sick of Eric Rudolph being the poster boy for all “white” misbehavior. It really isn’t right to lump him in with Al Qaeda or Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph said: I have nothing against government or law enforcement in general. It is solely for the reason that this government has legalized the murder of children that I have no allegiance to nor do I recognize the legitimacy of this particular government in Washington. He was crazy, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think his ideology was pure hatred the say it is with Al Qaeda.
World record by my stopwatch: Lefties, it took you exactly 3 nanoseconds to scream “Nazis!” over this lame, choreographed tempest in a shitpot.
For all your carping about “timing” of the events during this administration, let’s get real–the NYT decides the immediate aftermath of a wildly successful election in Iraq is the moment to release what is, in effect, “The President Observed Exisiting Law and Practice” as “Oh My God, He’s Listening to My Phone Sex with Aunt Harriet!”
News flash: The NSA does not care about Aunt Harriet’s moans, Michael Moore’s hourly pizza orders (with extra cheese), Dan Rather’s attempts to contact the Raelians, Al Franken dialing his own answering machine to laugh at his own jokes, Oliver Willis’ plaintive 411’s for the nearest Kripsy Kreme, or me phoning Al Gore at 3AM to see if he has the internet in can.
Additional flash: Yeah, they do have interest in those with contacts with Al Qaeda. Yes, you have stumbled on to the great racist conspiracy of our time–all those 9/11 guys were males of Arab descent, many of whom had spent time in this country not pretending to be anyone else.
Special to the Raelians flash: DUH!
I’m going out to support the economy today with large wads of cash. If you can’t do the same, try watching some football and remember where you live and give some thanks for it.
Even if it means giving up your Aunt Harriet jones.
On the contrary Smithy,
The Big Easy Rudolph kissed each bomb before planting it and recited “Suffer the little children to come unto me, for vengence is mine, and whosoever does not believe it is going to get a big surprise.”
Sometimes murder is not done out of zealot hatred but rather out of zealot love. It just depends on the religion that’s initiating the bombing.
Holy Shit Smithy! I can’t get the image out of my head that you’ve got a mule walking in a circle to power up your Commodore 2000 so that you can post comments like that.
Your Aunt Harriet sounds hot!
And–Smithy…
Rudolph is a terrorist. Period. Next!
Was Centennial Park was full of abortionists when Rudolph bombed it?
You know frankly, I liked the old term for “profiling”; folks were a lot less emotional about it. You remember, we used to call it logic. As in logical deduction.
Sigh. Good times…
:peter
War on Christmas? Just go to your local US government-run Post office to purchase stamps. For example, you can purchase:
Hanukkah stamps
Kwanza stamps
Eid Stamps
or
Holiday cookie stamps
According to Big Brother Government there is no such thing as Christmas so how can there be a War upon Christmas.
Actually, if you have Christmas decorations displayed you will be condemned for having offended the anti-Christers.
As for the treason perpetutated by the NY TImes for is aiding the Jihadist enemy, if we are attacked a third time I do not want to hear the words “How could this have happened.” We already know the answer.
And insofar as it pertained to the police, we used to call profiling police work…
:peter
I can’t get the image out of my head that you’ve got a mule walking in a circle to power up your Commodore 2000 so that you can post comments like that.
That is very funny.
You’re right about Rudolph and I’m wrong. He’s not as bad as Osama bin Laden, but a terorist is a terrorist My bad.
To honor RC’s enthusiasm for our work, I have forwarded his identity information as appropriate. Thanks for the suggestion!
Susan said… War on Christmas? Just go to your local US government-run Post office to purchase stamps. For example, you can purchase:
Hanukkah stamps
Kwanza stamps
Eid Stamps
or
Holiday cookie stamps
According to Big Brother Government there is no such thing as Christmas so how can there be a War upon Christmas.
I was shocked, shocked, when I read that the post office doesn’t sell Christmas stamps. So I looked.
Guess what Susan? They do! And not even anti-religious Santa Claus stamps – The real thing, Madonna and child stamps!
So I dialed 666 on my TWOC hotline and just fast as you can say “Susan thought no one would actually look to see if there are Christmas Stamps”, I had Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, and Cindy Sheehan on the phone (the vast left-wing conspiracy to destroy Christmas and begin the reign of the anti-christers have cool technology like conference calls and webrowsers that show which stamps the postal service is selling).
It turns out that we fell down on the TWOC job! Reid though Moore was doing it, but he was making movies, and Moore thought Sheehan was doing it, but she was protesting, and she though Pelosi was doing it, but she was throwing eggs at the Salvation army Santas outside CVS.
Don’t worry though, we straightened out. By tomorrow morning, the Christmas stamp will be replaced by a stamp with a picture of JFK riding a Santa-clad Bill O’Reilly like a horse.
And then you will have something to complain about.
Merry Christmas!
While justice needs to be blind, the administration dare not be. If all the administration was seeking was evidence for a trial, there might be room for the sensitivity about bugging, but this is the survival of the nation. I am not willing to allow the government to sit back and wait for the next attack.
Hey, Dancing Jackass,
Susan said you CAN purchase Christmas stamps…and no where did you read that they were NOT available. However, a kerfluffle arose when people heard from local PO employees that word was the USPS was considering not issuing future “overtly religious” stamps. After a bit of publicity suddenly it was “What? Us? Naw, just a rumor.” Usual bureaucratic schtick.
OT, but what the heck.
thekickingdonkey,
No doubt TWOC can be overstated, but it can be understated, too. The main attack is focused on the first syllable of the holiday that must go unmentioned.
It seems likely that most of the rancor comes from the fever swamps within the ACLU. One example. A local chapter has sued the City of Las Cruces, NM to remove three small crosses from its official seal. I’m sure you can translate the Spanish. And we wonder why some Christians are a little miffed?
I wonder what in hell they plan to do with Santa Fe, and can Sacramento be far behind. My God, think of the untold millions in expense for replacing seals, stationery, street signs.
Where will Tony Bennet leave his heart?
No doubt TWOC can be overstated, but it can be understated, too. The main attack is focused on the first syllable of the holiday that must go unmentioned.
I sometimes call it “the holiday that dare not speak its name.” Kidding aside, TWOC may be a joke to many on the left, but, trust me, it is not joke to the American people. If you don’t believe me now, you will in November of 2006.
Hey Darleen, who apparently cannot read,
Susan said you CAN purchase Christmas stamps – Where exactly does it say that? Besides in your imagination I mean?
and no where did you read that they were NOT available.
Here is where I read it:
War on Christmas? Just go to your local US government-run Post office to purchase stamps. For example, you can purchase:
Hanukkah stamps
Kwanza stamps
Eid Stamps
or
Holiday cookie stamps
According to Big Brother Government there is no such thing as Christmas so how can there be a War upon Christmas.
Actually, if you have Christmas decorations displayed you will be condemned for having offended the anti-Christers.
As for the treason perpetutated by the NY TImes for is aiding the Jihadist enemy, if we are attacked a third time I do not want to hear the words “How could this have happened.†We already know the answer.
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on 12/18 at 10:03 AM
See, when Susan listed all the stamps that you can buy, but didn’t list Christmas, and then said that “Big Brother Government” says there is no such thing as Christmas, she was saying that the US Government didn’t believe in Christmas.
However, a kerfluffle arose when people heard from local PO employees that word was the USPS was considering not issuing future “overtly religious†stamps. After a bit of publicity suddenly it was “What? Us? Naw, just a rumor.” Usual bureaucratic schtick
What actually happened, {You can’t see me, but I’m laughing at the thought that you might care what actually happened if it interferes with the TVWOCAC (The Vast War On Chirstmas And Christians) talking point}, was that the USPS announced they weren’t printing new Madonna and Child stamps this year because they had more than enough to get them through until they raise the postal rates on January 8th.
Here is a link to the story in the Pittsburgh, PA Post-Gazette.
“It’s absolutely not true,” said Diana Svoboda, spokeswoman for the Pittsburgh district. Next year’s printing will include a new Madonna and the price stamped over her left shoulder will explain why a new one wasn’t printed this year: Rates are going up to 39 cents per letter Jan. 8.
“We had an overabundance of religiously based stamps from last year,” she said. The Postal Service needed to sell its overstock of Madonna stamps and didn’t want a fresh crop of outdated stamps sitting in the drawers for next year.
The article goes on explaining why you might be confused, if you were a big liar and made up a story about a postal employee saying that the post office banned Christmas stamps and wouldn’t allow him to say “Merry Christmas”.
Hey you aren’t this Darleen, are you?
A story similar to Rev. Murphy’s can be found on various Web sites.
One, called “Darleen’s Place,” carried a vivid account on Nov. 24 in which the author’s mother asks for the Madonna stamps, and the clerk pulls out the previous year’s issue and tells her, “These are all I have and they’ll be the last you ever see.”
“Mom asks, ‘What do you mean?’ He explains the USPS will not be issuing any more ‘religious’ stamps.”
The encounter also has the clerk informing Darleen’s mom that he is not permitted to say “Merry Christmas.” Darleen did not respond to an e-mail requesting more details.
Don’t worry, even real academics like Michelle Malkin, made stuff up:
A similar story turned up on a Web site run by right-wing pundit Michelle Malkin. A reader there reported calling the postal service’s public line and being told that religiously themed stamps were being discontinued “to avoid any legal constitutional issues.”
This was startling news to Mark Saunders, a postal service spokesman in Washington. He’d just finished mailing a news release that announced the design for next year’s Madonna stamp.
It’s a painting by 18th-century Peruvian artist Ignacio Chacon and will arrive in the post offices in October. {He may have forgoten to add, “The October of the year NEVER!” and then laugh diabolicaly like the anti-Christer that he undoubtedly is.}
I’m sure MM was right about that internment stuff though…
I’m sure MM was right about that internment stuff though…
Why don’t you try reading her book, then, or at least skimming it. It might do you some good to spend a little time outside the left-wing echo chamber.
Similarly, when you take pot shots at Darleen over her comments, maybe you should try reading her blog if you want a more detailed view of her points. But, no, it’s easier for you to quote out of context and reduce the other side’s point of view to a caricature. That’s what they teach you do at the Daily Kos Teach-in, I guess.
Jackass
Yes I’m THAT Darleen and the reporter, who emailed me only hours before his deadline, then never returned my phone calls or emails afterwards would have gotten the details of my mother’s encounter at her local PO. My parents have lived in their town and used that PO for 37 years. I would have put the reporter IN TOUCH with my mom to hear it first hand.
The employee told my mom, UNSOLICITED, that the PO was no longer going to issue “religious stamps” IN THE FUTURE, as he was handing last year’s Madonna & Child stamps to her.
I was inundated with lots of “YOU LIAR” emails. What a crock of sh*t. I could never get a straight answer from any PO person I talked to.
It was NOT “made up”. Anecdotal? Sure. That’s why I put in my post that people should CALL THEMSELVES and check with their local PO’s.
Other people had similar experiences to my mom’s. So when the upper bureacracy puts on a “We don’t know WHAT you’re talking about” act, color me cynical.
Of course, this stamp issue assumes that the clerk at the counter had the information right. And in large organizations, that isn’t always the case. Neither in small organizations.
It could be that the clerk was misinformed. Don’t look for conspiracies when the likely answer is a mistake. “Win the lottery once, lucky you; win it twice, hmmm; win it three times? I want an investigation.”
Word: seem. Sometimes things are as simple as they seem.
Jackass
Original post (with update) of 11/24 here
My followup here
and let’s not forget all the LOVE I received.
Mikey
It could be that the clerk was misinformed.
Understood, that’s why I ended my original post with
BTW, it wasn’t just about stamps, but that the employee at that local PO had been instructed to say “Happy Holidays” in lieu of “Merry Christmas”. Being in PC California, that could have easily been a local management decision.
Smithy – I have read MM’s Defense of Internment and that is the reason why I am taking pot shots at her. Here is a conservative takedown of her “scholarship”. The money shot? Doubting that Pat Morita was a threat to American civilization.
Also, Smithy, you think the left will be shocked by the anger over the TWOC and we will find out rudely in November 2006 who angry America was. I, obviously, disagree.
On election day ‘06, lets say we meet here on this thread and find out who won? If the Ds pick up seats, you apologize, if the Rs pick up seats, I’ll apologize, and if TWOC is mentioned even once, anywhere, I’ll wrote you a poem about you being right and me being wrong.
Darleen, I’m sure you can understand why a disintrested observer would be skepitcal of the story posted (obviously, I don’t know your Mom, and if I did, I wouldn’t be skeptical anymore), especially considering how many of them were flying around at that time. That said, I apologize for calling you and your mom liars. I think the most likely scenario is that the guy working at the pst office had no clue what he was talking about and just being an ass and making things up to explain why there werenew stamps this year.
That being said, I have read your blog, and its safe to say we agree on nothing and never will.
And Susan was saying that you can’t buy Chirstmas stamps at the post office.
Old Dad, I wrote an elegant reply to you that got lost when I forgot to put my email address in the field above. Boiled down, it does seem silly to mess with the seal of a town, the people who are pushing the TWOC also seem to be puching the commercial aspect of Christmas, Bill O’R was selling Holiday Ornaments, and a local chapter of the ACLU does not a “War” make. There were links and stuff, but I’m tired of typing…
“but if the employee at my mother’s US Post Office is right, you won’t be seeing any new issues.”
You’ll never see that stamp again. Because a new one is going to come out when they raise the prices from 37c.
Actus
Taking a page from “depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is”?
The employee told my mom “no new RELIGIOUS” stamps. Period.
One of the first callers post-my-account got a similar story when calling the USPS customer service line. Once the fit-hit-the-shan, suddenly the answers got ambiguous then incredulous. Bureaucratic SNAFU or a “floated possible policy change” quickly disappeared?
I’m sure you can understand why a disintrested observer would be skepitcal of the story posted
Nope. A disinterested observer would comphrehend everything I wrote including that I was offering it as a stand alone incident that needed to be checked further.
Someone who immediately leaps to “LIAR” is someone with their own agenda.
Nope. A disinterested observer would comphrehend everything I wrote including that I was offering it as a stand alone incident that needed to be checked further.
Someone who immediately leaps to “LIAR†is someone with their own agenda.
Sure, if your story was the only one, but it wasn’t. Similiar stories were circulating the internet. Can we agree that most of those were flat made up? Given the context, and the fact that no jackbooted thugs have removed my Christmas decorations, I don’t think its hard to understand the conclusion that I jumped to. I am willing to accept your story because moms tend not to lie. The rest of the stories, sound like yours recycled…
People who email mean stuff to people who write blogs are idiots.
That being said, thanks for accepting my apology. I’m sure that was a courtesy extended to you by the idiots who emailed you mean things.
FYI, my “agenda” rarely extends past my Torts final and my next meal. And an occasional comment when someone says that the USPS is not selling Christmas stamps when a link to the sale of the Christmas stamps by the USPS is easily at hand.
Smithy,
We have a Daily Kos teach-in starting soon, wanna come with?
Jackass
Want to show me a link to a “made up” story about Christmas stamps prior to mine?
Certainly I’m not overtly bothered by the hate mail I received. I didn’t start blogging expecting a Sally “You really like me!” Fields endeavor. What annoyed me most about the stuff both in my comments and email was that people didn’t even read the friggin’ thing I wrote!
Disagree with me all you want, but for crissakes stop arguing with things I never wrote.
I do believe the phrase “War on Christmas” is hyperbole, but anyone who thinks there has NOT been a concerted effort to Bowdlerize the American public square (and history) of it’s religious heritage is as blinkered as the people who called my story “made up.”
Disent is the highest form of patriotism.
Sure, and adultry is the highest form of faithfulness, embezzlement is the highest form of honesty, war is the highest form of peace and black, of course, is the highest form of white.
Sure, I mean what are the odds that other Post Offices would run out of Christmas stamps when no new ones were being printed? And what are the odds that since Christmas is celebrated by more people than Hanukkah or Kwanza, that they might run out of Christmas stamps first in some Post Offices as Susan encountered? Nah, obviously these are just more examples of corrupt, lying republicans.
If you would stop kicking so much and start thinking it would probably help both you and your party, donkey boy.
Merry Christmas!
Unless of course you are a d’Emocrat, disagreeing with the Party line.
Jeff, it’s starting to smell like baloon juice in here.
To get a look at a real culture of corruption, publish the Barrett report.
Good link, Al. That article is really quite chilling. The liberals don’t mind—anything to keep the taxes rolling. But do something vaguely “secretive” that protects national security and they have a coniption fit.
I was arguing with what Susan wrote, and I refuse to stop just because you didn’t write it.
Also, when you wrote, “However, a kerfluffle arose when people heard from local PO employees that word was the USPS was considering not issuing future “overtly religious†stamps. After a bit of publicity suddenly it was “What? Us? Naw, just a rumor.” Usual bureaucratic schtick.”, were you not insinuating that the USPS was using a clerk at the desk in a Post Office in CA to float the potential removal of Christmas from stamps?
And, it just occured to me after reading about how clear you were about your story being an isolated incident, Which “people” heard from which “local PO employees”? Stamp fever striking the nation! Was it an isolated story or wasn’t it?
The entire TWOC is made up.
And Christmas is winning.
Wal-Mart saving money by combining marketing campaigns is not an attempt to Bowdlerize anything.
The left and the ACLU have nothing to do with retailers saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Which, in turn, have nothing to do with our religious history or heritage (neither of which included celebrations of Christmas until well after the Republic was established).
The religious heritage of America is far more complicated than Bill O’R saying that retailers should get down on their knees to thank the Baby Jesus for being born.
For Example:
The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.
— George Washington
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
— Thomas Jefferson
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
— Thomas Paine
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
— Thomas Jefferson
The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
— Abraham Lincoln
These do not fit into the handy talking point.
Speaking of our religious history, how about the history of the TWOC being a thinly disguised War on the Jews. {Not to say this one is, notwithstanding Bill O’R’s comments about callers going back to Israel if they don’t like it. I feel confident that the people involved in this year’s installment of the TWOC do not hate Judiasm.}
Judeo-Christian indeed.
B Moe – if you read more carefully, you might have understood that the part that was hard to believe was not the running out of stamps, but that the clerk saying that the post office had cancelled Christmas.
But your way was funnier, how long did it take you to think of the kicking crack?
Speaking of our religious history, how about the history of the TWOC being a thinly disguised War on the Jews.
Then why are Jewish pundits like David Brooks and William Kristol supporting the pro-Christmas arguments?
Smithy – did you really not read the next line?
History means in the past, you are talking about columnists now.
How about our bet?