You’ll be happy to know what I learned today, namely that Hamas itself is an Israeli invention, just another part of the nefarious Zionist plot. Which, I’m pretty sure that makes it totally cool to kill every last fucking one of them.
You learn some interesting shit from anti-Semites.
– Why I think the Left has already begun to self-destruct and collapse politically, much as they did after Nam.
– Could there be anything more insane and dissonant than Code Pink protesting for and supporting Islamic Jihad and Sharia law with its supreme woman suppression and hateful abuse to females. What this shows is its not about whatever they’re protesting with these morons, its just about every opportunity to be far Left and asocial in every way possible.
– Wonder who the next “occupier” of the Democratic party will be. Besides the sheep dog black caucus that is. They never seem to learn a damn thing.
Perhaps, just perhaps, there should be a 2nd amendment rally in DC wherein every participant wears a t-shirt bearing the message, “Don’t worry, we’re just as bound by the law as Obama.”
Let’s say that every serious rightist started telling every leftist they know that we’ll start obeying the over-arching agreement we know as “the law” to the exact same degree that they have been doing so.
There is nothing threatening or coercive about that, is there? I mean, there couldn’t be, right?
So, maybe, just maybe, we start doing that.
Game theory isn’t that complicated. We either do this or we lose.
For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?
Under an understanding that the contract has been intentionally torn to pieces, and considering that in questions of the dissolution of a national agreement there is no judge but nature to turn to, the breakers had best hope the injured party chooses mercy when that time for choosing comes: in the meantime self defense will be the order of the day. And should it come to it, the breakers choice has been determinative.
That is simply because it is so. We were keenly eager to abide by the contract as written. The breakers have acted with a positive intention — sometimes openly admitted and sometimes surreptitiously concealed — to destroy it. Nothing could possibly be plainer.
>For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?<
house stuff does jack feces in dingy harry's senate. impeach or defund otherwise shut the eff up.
*** We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectacle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offence. They boast of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death. ***
– Did you see that look on Lurches face when Hamas blew out the ceasefire. WTF in 36 languages. Priceless. Even HuffNPoop had to play it straight for a change. Must have been killing the bastards.
*** “In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks,” the president said, adding, “It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had.” ***
Said the glowering, imperious Prince of Sanctimony himself.
Torture is wrong, m’kay, much better to just blow them (and anybody who happens to be with them, innocent or not) straight to hell with a remotely fired missle off of a remotely piloted drone. Intelligence is messy. Assassination? Mr. Clean wishes he had it so good.
Swimming pools have faced these problems before. Occasionally they schedule different times for adults and children so that both groups can enjoy the pool without either group needlessly annoying the other.
Demonstrating that even in the rare instances when the ClownDisaster Administration has decent national security intelligence, they are content to squander it, and then ignore the squandering — so lightly do they regard the national security of the country they are charged to defend.
A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs
I vote “Neither”. It’s a commodity, subject to being bought and sold just like anything else. You can even sell air, if someone needs it at pressure, and you have the means to pressurize it (say, to inflate a tire or go SCUBA diving).
“In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks,” the president said, adding, “It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had.”
Then there’s what we didn’t do: Put the motherfuckers on trial. I seem to recall that we started the trials, but then something happened. Oh yeah! We elected President Dumbass. 6 years later we still have no verdicts, and that after a similar period of Democrats obstructing the trials. It seems to me they like their American killing terrorists “innocent.”
There you go, spoiling the narrative by applying critical thinking and rejecting the approved dichotomy. How is the farmer supposed to process you if you refuse to go down the chute like good little livestock?
Dresden the place. The “innocents” voted these people into office who are firing rockets unprovoked into Israel. Make it so the “innocents” don’t vote that way again — or that the ones remaining go and find every last Hamas fucker left in the territories and hands him over to the Israelis.
Seriously. Time for Israel to go on a press blackout for a week — that is, don’t read about itself and how Hitleresque it is — and go and act like the Allied forces who ended the last Holocaust: destroy the enemy until it begs you to be your friend.
Most of the pressure comes from the West — specifically, from the useful idiot, Goebbels-massaged and brain addled “political activist” wannabes. Because the Islamists and Arabs don’t have a leg of credibility to stand on.
Fuck them and their faux outrage. If Israel shows it’s willing to level a place and kill anything that tries to do it harm, up to and including those its enemies try to hide among, things will get real.
Critics take shots at Israel they wouldn’t take at Muslim extremists because they KNOW Israel fights with restraint and won’t seek them out and take their heads off after ass fucking them.
Time to tell Obama to fuck off, give Hamas a couple days to get out of the strip, and then — if they don’t get left alone — to rain Hell on the evil Nazis-in-robes until the only things left moving are the Israelis picking through the rubble, looking for extant copies of Protocols to burn.
We here in the US can do our part by refusing in any way to acknowledge the UN, and by kicking it the fuck out of our country. Turkey should likewise be booted from NATO.
Unfortunately these domestic moves will have to wait for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Manchurian candidate to leave office.
That’s in interesting twist on the hostage exchange.
[Israel] Give us Hamas and the rest of you may be spared. Otherwise, we’ll fire up the lot of you. If on the other hand, you enslaved Arabs do rise up to turn them over, we’ll spare your lands, homes and businesses further destruction. Hamas is few, the rest of you are many. Hamas enjoys freedom of action while the rest of you enjoy nothing but a paltry rejoicing in our deaths: some life you’ve got there.
Instead, take the part of free men and expel these murderers. After the ground has cooled you will find many willing to aid you to seek your own prosperity. Listen to your Arab brethren who have learned to despise Hamas — the sane among the Lebanese, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, the Emirates, the Sauds. So abandon foolishness and misery.
If not — well, no one on earth would want to be where you are. So, this is a choice you can make to your benefit or your detriment, and to the benefit or detriment of the innocents among you.
Only choose.
[Once again the Melian dialogue presses to mind, though it may possibly be out of place in the Levant — where other teachings may be better. On the other hand, Israel likely knows rumored tales of hubris and nemesis, at least.]
That’s entirely too reasonable, sdferr. The “Palestinians” have been taught to have a low regard for their own lives, let alone the lives of others. I doubt they could comprehend the offer if it were extended.
They would certainly understand getting ground into powder, though. A raw display of power would have some effect, if only to reduce their numbers.
I’m entire uncertain how the Arabs in Gaza see matters cranky-d, since they are ruled by totalitarian monsters who control not only all sources of media within their own nominal jurisdiction, but outside media which chooses to venture into Gaza to “report” on the goings on there. So nothing which emerges is trustworthy. I fall back to speculations based on what little I know of human nature. These speculations may be poor, or if lucky, may hit something substantial now and again.
Power relations between nations, on the other hand, are something about which we are supposed to know a little, despite that we insignificant ones do not actively deal in such matters in the ordinary course of living. So I resort to my western mental furniture.
That’s the gist of it, sdferr: “you no longer have the choice between our onerous attempts at pinpoint retaliation against your indiscriminate rocket attacks against our civilian centers. You have the choice between handing over those who plan and launch such attacks, or being among them in pieces in the rubble when we lay waste to the entire misbegotten and rancid lot of ’em, and any who give them cover.
“You voted them in. Look at this as a kind of emergency recall election.”
There are I think, distinct signs that the Israelis do have in mind a strategy aimed at bringing the Gazan Arabs to their side in the contest between Hamas and Israel. They think about these things deeply, I mean, the Israelis. For instance, the simple thing: the Israelis have learned to speak the Gazans’ language, something I have not done. Whether the Israelis’ choice of strategy will induce the Gazan Arabs to seek their own prosperity, i.e., whether that strategy will succeed depends on many things: the Israelis’ choice along what lines to proceed, the Arabs’ receptivity to what their own minds tell them (regarding which is better, living with the Israelis’ choice or dying with Hamas’ choice), what time-lines the Israelis choose to accept as necessary and so on. One thing does seem clear however: the Israelis have themselves chosen a new and different path in light of what they have learned about their own mistakes in strategy over these last three decades. They are clearly done with “land” trades, if not leaning in the majority toward land annexation as yet.
So the most important change may have already taken place — the change in the Israelis themselves, which enables new thinking and new calculations regarding the Arabs.
Too, as many others have remarked, there seems to have been a change in other Arabs, in addition to the changes in the Israelis, although this change has not gone so far as to allow, for instance, the Egyptians to consider conquering Gaza themselves and putting an end to Hamas — both for Israel and Egypt’s sakes. So there are still barriers to overcome.
– Here’s a full account with the granny-skank roaring across the House floor. I Flashed on the wicked witch of the north wagging her gnarly finger just before she gets hit with a bucket of water and melts into the road.
– Pil-lousy is feeling the heat from the Dems that have to run because her and dirty Harry have really set them up to look as bad as possible.
*** Channel 2’s Udi Segal, reporting on the security cabinet decision overnight, says Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and colleagues now firmly set on unilateral end to the conflict in the next few days. He says Israel adamant that Hamas cannot be trusted in any ceasefire deal, and that it has to be deterred. He also says the US understands this, since the US also recognizes that the Hamas attack on Israeli troops in Rafah on Friday morning was a “spit in the eye” of the US and other mediators.
Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon will deliver a televised statement and take questions from the media at Tel Aviv’s Defense Ministry headquarters at 9 p.m ***
That’s in like 10 mins or so from now, the statement and the question taking.
So the upshot of Netanyahu’s address (though I don’t know about the q&a) seems to be that the tunnel portion of the defensive measures is nearly complete, but that the rocketry portion is certainly not; that further vigilance against tunnel attacks will have to be maintained; that Israel makes its position understood amongst its allies (nominal or true); that Israel gestures in the direction of those Arab states which are taking a reevaluation of their former support to Hamas and Hamas-like terror organizations, and Israel commends these states for their new more clear-eyed evaluations, and to the extent that these nations choose, Israel will cooperate with them; and finally, that the pressure on Hamas will be maintained in general, but that the operational nature of this pressure, obviously, cannot be revealed here.
Anyone else a bit freaked out with how objectively pro-terrorist people have become comfortable with?
I don’t mean the professional left. I mean their brainwashed minions.
I was listening to an episode of Harmontown not that long ago (couple weeks, three weeks) and it was shocking. There was even a self-hating Jew in attendance to lend moral gravitas to the affair.
On that score bh, one look at the photo of the pro-Hamas march down 15th st. in DC gave me a nasty case of the willies. Can’t account for it though (the Jew hate), since those sorts and I never make face to face contact any longer.
over at the hot airs you can still see a link where “ramen noodle pofuckstick” will learn you up to the effect that you will come to understand in your head that
Ponnuru has written a fine bit of Swiftian satire here surely. What he’s trying to highlight is how those who want to kill every Jew living and drive their nation into the sea are quite beyond moral suasion.
To take the man more seriously than he deserves, you can see the stated influence of “just war” theory. When one wanders along those intellectually empty streets one sees signs for “Proportional Response” and the like.
You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.
“You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.
And this is morally wrong.”
That’s sure a wordy way of restating the Golden Rule. ;-)
*** The 26 days of fighting were sparked by the killing in June of three Israeli teens apparently at the hands of Hamas-backed Palestinians, which resulted in the killing of three Arab Palestinians teens. Hamas then fired rockets into Israel from Gaza, which prompted Israel to respond with land, sea and air attacks. ***
Where do editorial errors of this sort “three Arab Palestinian teens” begin? Where do they end?
The Golden Rule is an in-group rule. It’s not an outside-enemy rule.
One isn’t nice to Nazis because you want them to be nice back. No, you kill enough of them to make them stop even though you really wouldn’t want them to “do the same unto you”.
It is a mirror image sort of thing along the lines of “Don’t fuck with me unless you want me to do my worst unto you.”
I suppose the real breakdown in the analogy comes from the immoral nature of allowing savages to kill your women and children just because you yourself are willing to be killed by savages, in much the same way that it’s perfectly okay to give all of your money to the government but that’s not something you are allowed to demand from others just because you’re a preening asshole.
Exactly. Or, as more commonly stated “We love death more than you love life.” This is a win/win deal. Everybody needs to just calm down and be joyful for blessed martyrdom. And that Hamas is getting it’s nuts kicked up through its turban.
I’ve been thinking lately about a species of tit-for-tat regarding the Hamas and Islamic Jihad rocketry, thinking this: Israel makes as near an estimation of the size and explosive power of each Arab missile or mortar round which traverses their border with Gaza, then as their system is programmed to do, intercepts when necessary or lets fall when convenient. The tit-for-tat then emerges when Israel sends back over the border into Gaza as nearly similar an unguided missile or mortar round as they know how to find, with imprecision of fire intentionally matched to the imprecision the Arabs use. The incoming missiles or mortar rounds then land haphazardly in Gaza. What will the Gazans think? What would the Gazans do?
Suppose further. Suppose Israel announces this “policy” of tit-for-tat to the Arabs in Gaza, making sure the Arabs understand each for each, one by one — and communicate further that should the Arabs wish this reciprocity to end, all they need do is seize the Hamasians and hand them over, as well as hand over the corpses taken by the ghouls. Hamasian rocketry stops, Israeli reciprocity stops. Then let the Gazans decide when.
That would be instructive to their supporters, sdferr, which is clearly what is needed.
Why not make it even more instructive and show how modern civilizations can make war a magnitude greater than their stone age understanding of the world allows them?
Israel may still aim at destroying Hamas by inducing its own cohabitants to destroy it for them. In fact, the outcome could very well be much better that way. But nothing guarantees success. On the other hand, without making the attempt they would never find out. And the alternative remains.
Caroline Glick’s latest column suggests that most likely Hamas will remain in control (of everything, is key) in Gaza once the Israelis decide upon a hiatus. Her sense of right at this point is to attempt to assure that the border controls be infinitely tighter, with much greater pressure from the US on any and all attempts at funding Hamas hereafter. I don’t recall every measure she recommends, but many begin in the US Congress, denying any US monies go into Gaza, denying any US funds go into the hands of UNRWA, and so on. Pressure on the Qataris, cutting off military sales. Even more pressure on the Turks, ridding them from NATO and so on.
All that is premised on her understanding of the cause of Hamas’ choice to fire this war up now, which was, they have fallen into crisis at home, can’t pay their henchmens, can’t feed their peoples, etc. They saw a rising coming, and sought to avoid it by breaking the quarantine. Which is where ObaZma and Kerry came in, supporting Qatari and Turkish proposals to reward Hamas. Ah, well, we’re getting used to such treacheries, aren’t we?
Something that’s worried me for a couple decades now are these constant media images of Arabs throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails in the street.
That is just a bad idea. That’s encouraging. It looks cool on a poster. Getting shot because you’re so fucking stupid that you try to fight a war with a rock in your hand, well, that isn’t so encouraging. It doesn’t look cool in a photo. It just looks dumb. Dumb like someone who tried to play a game of rock, paper, tank.
actually, it seems to me that a rocketry tit-for-tat would tend to increase the disproportionate level of death and injury between the two, since Israel would still be preventing the great bulk of any death by Arab rocket in Israel, whereas Hamas can do nothing to prevent death in Gaza when unguided missiles fly in. One further result of such a programmatic approach would be to clearly demonstrate to the world exactly what Israel has been avoiding with every Hamas missile which fails to hit home.
Israel’s asymetric anti-rocket/missile defensive capability eluded me when I was thinking about your supposition, sdferr.
I’d still prefer straight up killing of all Hamas agents and those in the populace who grant them free action though. Seems more efficient if not as obvious to grasp for the truly donkey-kicked amongst them.
Having great numbers of those angry Hamas flag-wielding dudes laying dead here and there to observe during their walk to work or the market would probably be plenty educational.
I’ve nothing per se against killing Hamasians. The trouble is finding them. Just a day ago I was reading an account which came from an Israeli foot-soldier in the battle of Jabailia last week — he said he never once saw the people who were shooting rifles and antitank rounds at him, but that it was plain there were plenty of them (though apparently those particular Hamasians were destroyed in an artillery assault). And as noted, the Hamasian leadership are underground beneath a hospital, which if we grant that Israel can surely assault and take, we also have to grant that they will lose many good men of their own in the doing it.
Because it was once a hospital even though it is now the cover for an enemy base? How about fair warning is given and then it no longer exists the next day. Surely buildings take longer to build than it takes to destroy them. Once the building no longer exists then there are probably ways to suck oxygen from tunnel systems in a quick and drastic method.
The hospital isn’t an issue. The tunnels aren’t an issue.
As Jeff alludes to above, there were plenty of nice buildings in Dresden that stopped being nice buildings in Dresden.
If Israel thought it possible to destroy Shifa and with it, the monsters it houses I think it would have already been done. It must be true that this decision to leave it upright can be reversed, yet it is not clear what would drive that. Perhaps had the recently discovered Rosh Hashanah attack been carried off?
I’m really not trying to flip here. Just don’t think the destruction of an enemy base (which was once a hospital) and tunnel system require any Israeli casualties.
Well that’s true. Assaulting the place, I think, would entail a couple of things. On the one hand, capturing the bastards, and on the other in the alternative, assuring they’re dead and not escaped.
Towards your 10:18, sdferr, I suppose I really have no idea as to what Israel’s leaders are thinking. Probably even less about the strategic import of any unknown discoveries they made about the planned Rosh Hashanah attacks.
Something very awful in the discovered plot moved Israeli leftists in a hardened direction I don’t think we’ve seen in decades, so I just assume it was ghastly scary.
Oh by brothers and my dear sisters
Which of you longs to crush my skull
Which of you hides a poisoned dagger
Or waits for a moment to wrap your hands around my throat?
Is it hatred that drives you?
Is it a cold blooded morbid sort of curiosity?
Do you just like to watch things die?
Are you out to search my pockets?
Or do you fear that I’ll kill you?
Are you out to save me from the grinding jaws of time?
Do we have our waivers signed?
Then best if we proceed.
Why are we carrying these weapons now?
I forget why I forgot but forgot I did, forgetfully, so
Why are we sneaking through these weeds?
Are we but ants confused by scents too complex for our tiny brains to read?
Are we here to save the world or found a kingdom?
Are we a tax dollar away from some new milestone?
Or are we merely here to scourge the poor nerds one more time?
Gave me a shovel
told me to dig a grave
Missed his shot
when I dug his neck instead
and sat
to wait
for snakes
or rain
to
dull
that pain
again.
you never know in
Gaza, which ass will explode
two-legged or four
A long, hot summer
Be sure to push the button
Yell, “Allah — !” KABOOM
You’ll be happy to know what I learned today, namely that Hamas itself is an Israeli invention, just another part of the nefarious Zionist plot. Which, I’m pretty sure that makes it totally cool to kill every last fucking one of them.
You learn some interesting shit from anti-Semites.
Hear, hear!
– Why I think the Left has already begun to self-destruct and collapse politically, much as they did after Nam.
– Could there be anything more insane and dissonant than Code Pink protesting for and supporting Islamic Jihad and Sharia law with its supreme woman suppression and hateful abuse to females. What this shows is its not about whatever they’re protesting with these morons, its just about every opportunity to be far Left and asocial in every way possible.
– Wonder who the next “occupier” of the Democratic party will be. Besides the sheep dog black caucus that is. They never seem to learn a damn thing.
Levin was calling them Hamas-holes the other day. Made me laugh.
Beyond that new discovery, we should also take into account our newly found license to act outside of the law.
This has now been agreed upon. No citizen is bound by the law.
(Yes, I know I’m doing a recapitulation of “outlaw”. I find such theater instructive though.)
Or, as some have been saying, “ice picks”.
– Well not exactly bh. All non-Leftists are bound by the law. Everyone else, including all non-citizens are not bound by the law.
– I think that means we can shoot them. Not sure.
Perhaps, just perhaps, there should be a 2nd amendment rally in DC wherein every participant wears a t-shirt bearing the message, “Don’t worry, we’re just as bound by the law as Obama.”
– Bumblefuck and the Left are bound by the law of holes, which they’re about to meet up close and personal.
Let’s say that every serious rightist started telling every leftist they know that we’ll start obeying the over-arching agreement we know as “the law” to the exact same degree that they have been doing so.
There is nothing threatening or coercive about that, is there? I mean, there couldn’t be, right?
So, maybe, just maybe, we start doing that.
Game theory isn’t that complicated. We either do this or we lose.
I’ve already started ignoring the 16oz soda rule.
OUTLAW!
For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?
Why does no one propose such an honest bill?
We could call it the “Obvious Consequences of the Banana Republic Act of 2014”.
heh
What’s the downside?
We live in a post-republican country. We may as well take our turn in holding the whip.
(Or so we could credibly threaten after they’ve heard false story after false story about right-wing death squads in Nazi Germany or South America.)
Under an understanding that the contract has been intentionally torn to pieces, and considering that in questions of the dissolution of a national agreement there is no judge but nature to turn to, the breakers had best hope the injured party chooses mercy when that time for choosing comes: in the meantime self defense will be the order of the day. And should it come to it, the breakers choice has been determinative.
It certainly seems to to me. Their choice.
It certainly seems so to me.
bh, that’s just crazy talk. It completely and recklessly upends the asymetrical applecart we call the status quo.
Why, that would be like the Israelis deciding to level Gaza one building at a time just because some shavetail got hisself kidnapped.
That is simply because it is so. We were keenly eager to abide by the contract as written. The breakers have acted with a positive intention — sometimes openly admitted and sometimes surreptitiously concealed — to destroy it. Nothing could possibly be plainer.
>For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?<
house stuff does jack feces in dingy harry's senate. impeach or defund otherwise shut the eff up.
A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs
this is what’s headlining at National Soros Radio right now
please to google and rtwt and report back if you find any mention of free markets or price discovery or resource allocation
America is a fascist shithole
nasty nasty nasty
aslo how many house bills is dingy harry sitting on?
>A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs<
eff the tribe? hi hollyweird!
Damn it if you aren’t able to miss even the simplest point.
Just so.
Newrouter, the penultimate word in your 9:59 may or may not be missing an H.
*** We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectacle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offence. They boast of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death. ***
– Did you see that look on Lurches face when Hamas blew out the ceasefire. WTF in 36 languages. Priceless. Even HuffNPoop had to play it straight for a change. Must have been killing the bastards.
*** “In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks,” the president said, adding, “It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had.” ***
Said the glowering, imperious Prince of Sanctimony himself.
The snowy picture
we knew as newrouter now
becomes nowruder.
Said the glowering, imperious Prince of Sanctimony himself.
– Others are saying some different things.
Mr. newrouter is a good pickle he knows from fascism, that one
America is all eat up with it, but not Mr. newrouter
no sir
tertiary syphilis then?
Torture is wrong, m’kay, much better to just blow them (and anybody who happens to be with them, innocent or not) straight to hell with a remotely fired missle off of a remotely piloted drone. Intelligence is messy. Assassination? Mr. Clean wishes he had it so good.
he has his own approach is all
Swimming pools have faced these problems before. Occasionally they schedule different times for adults and children so that both groups can enjoy the pool without either group needlessly annoying the other.
– You’d need a third category. Adults, children, and Leftfeet.
Intelligence is messy.
Demonstrating that even in the rare instances when the ClownDisaster Administration has decent national security intelligence, they are content to squander it, and then ignore the squandering — so lightly do they regard the national security of the country they are charged to defend.
at the swimming pool where mom and dad would leave us sometimes they had mccraw’s taffy at the snack bar
it’s really a top-shelf taffy if you’re looking for a really tasty bite of taffy this summer
just don’t give any to Hamas cause they suck ass
A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs
I vote “Neither”. It’s a commodity, subject to being bought and sold just like anything else. You can even sell air, if someone needs it at pressure, and you have the means to pressurize it (say, to inflate a tire or go SCUBA diving).
I vote “Neither”.
– Conservative killjoy.
The goodness of yon
pickle’s not at issue. I
query his shtikl.
Then there’s what we didn’t do: Put the motherfuckers on trial. I seem to recall that we started the trials, but then something happened. Oh yeah! We elected President Dumbass. 6 years later we still have no verdicts, and that after a similar period of Democrats obstructing the trials. It seems to me they like their American killing terrorists “innocent.”
Whether Pikachool
or Pickle Pool, avoid the
yellow water. And…
– “Listen Jug ears….don’t ever second guess me again you Marxist moron.”
– “….and there really is a tooth fairy…..he hids in my hair at night.”
There you go, spoiling the narrative by applying critical thinking and rejecting the approved dichotomy. How is the farmer supposed to process you if you refuse to go down the chute like good little livestock?
Dresden the place. The “innocents” voted these people into office who are firing rockets unprovoked into Israel. Make it so the “innocents” don’t vote that way again — or that the ones remaining go and find every last Hamas fucker left in the territories and hands him over to the Israelis.
Seriously. Time for Israel to go on a press blackout for a week — that is, don’t read about itself and how Hitleresque it is — and go and act like the Allied forces who ended the last Holocaust: destroy the enemy until it begs you to be your friend.
Most of the pressure comes from the West — specifically, from the useful idiot, Goebbels-massaged and brain addled “political activist” wannabes. Because the Islamists and Arabs don’t have a leg of credibility to stand on.
Fuck them and their faux outrage. If Israel shows it’s willing to level a place and kill anything that tries to do it harm, up to and including those its enemies try to hide among, things will get real.
Critics take shots at Israel they wouldn’t take at Muslim extremists because they KNOW Israel fights with restraint and won’t seek them out and take their heads off after ass fucking them.
Time to tell Obama to fuck off, give Hamas a couple days to get out of the strip, and then — if they don’t get left alone — to rain Hell on the evil Nazis-in-robes until the only things left moving are the Israelis picking through the rubble, looking for extant copies of Protocols to burn.
We here in the US can do our part by refusing in any way to acknowledge the UN, and by kicking it the fuck out of our country. Turkey should likewise be booted from NATO.
Unfortunately these domestic moves will have to wait for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Manchurian candidate to leave office.
Too much?
No. No I don’t think so.
That’s in interesting twist on the hostage exchange.
[Israel] Give us Hamas and the rest of you may be spared. Otherwise, we’ll fire up the lot of you. If on the other hand, you enslaved Arabs do rise up to turn them over, we’ll spare your lands, homes and businesses further destruction. Hamas is few, the rest of you are many. Hamas enjoys freedom of action while the rest of you enjoy nothing but a paltry rejoicing in our deaths: some life you’ve got there.
Instead, take the part of free men and expel these murderers. After the ground has cooled you will find many willing to aid you to seek your own prosperity. Listen to your Arab brethren who have learned to despise Hamas — the sane among the Lebanese, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, the Emirates, the Sauds. So abandon foolishness and misery.
If not — well, no one on earth would want to be where you are. So, this is a choice you can make to your benefit or your detriment, and to the benefit or detriment of the innocents among you.
Only choose.
[Once again the Melian dialogue presses to mind, though it may possibly be out of place in the Levant — where other teachings may be better. On the other hand, Israel likely knows rumored tales of hubris and nemesis, at least.]
That’s entirely too reasonable, sdferr. The “Palestinians” have been taught to have a low regard for their own lives, let alone the lives of others. I doubt they could comprehend the offer if it were extended.
They would certainly understand getting ground into powder, though. A raw display of power would have some effect, if only to reduce their numbers.
I’m entire uncertain how the Arabs in Gaza see matters cranky-d, since they are ruled by totalitarian monsters who control not only all sources of media within their own nominal jurisdiction, but outside media which chooses to venture into Gaza to “report” on the goings on there. So nothing which emerges is trustworthy. I fall back to speculations based on what little I know of human nature. These speculations may be poor, or if lucky, may hit something substantial now and again.
Power relations between nations, on the other hand, are something about which we are supposed to know a little, despite that we insignificant ones do not actively deal in such matters in the ordinary course of living. So I resort to my western mental furniture.
That’s the gist of it, sdferr: “you no longer have the choice between our onerous attempts at pinpoint retaliation against your indiscriminate rocket attacks against our civilian centers. You have the choice between handing over those who plan and launch such attacks, or being among them in pieces in the rubble when we lay waste to the entire misbegotten and rancid lot of ’em, and any who give them cover.
“You voted them in. Look at this as a kind of emergency recall election.”
There are I think, distinct signs that the Israelis do have in mind a strategy aimed at bringing the Gazan Arabs to their side in the contest between Hamas and Israel. They think about these things deeply, I mean, the Israelis. For instance, the simple thing: the Israelis have learned to speak the Gazans’ language, something I have not done. Whether the Israelis’ choice of strategy will induce the Gazan Arabs to seek their own prosperity, i.e., whether that strategy will succeed depends on many things: the Israelis’ choice along what lines to proceed, the Arabs’ receptivity to what their own minds tell them (regarding which is better, living with the Israelis’ choice or dying with Hamas’ choice), what time-lines the Israelis choose to accept as necessary and so on. One thing does seem clear however: the Israelis have themselves chosen a new and different path in light of what they have learned about their own mistakes in strategy over these last three decades. They are clearly done with “land” trades, if not leaning in the majority toward land annexation as yet.
So the most important change may have already taken place — the change in the Israelis themselves, which enables new thinking and new calculations regarding the Arabs.
Too, as many others have remarked, there seems to have been a change in other Arabs, in addition to the changes in the Israelis, although this change has not gone so far as to allow, for instance, the Egyptians to consider conquering Gaza themselves and putting an end to Hamas — both for Israel and Egypt’s sakes. So there are still barriers to overcome.
– Here’s a full account with the granny-skank roaring across the House floor. I Flashed on the wicked witch of the north wagging her gnarly finger just before she gets hit with a bucket of water and melts into the road.
– Pil-lousy is feeling the heat from the Dems that have to run because her and dirty Harry have really set them up to look as bad as possible.
*** Channel 2’s Udi Segal, reporting on the security cabinet decision overnight, says Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and colleagues now firmly set on unilateral end to the conflict in the next few days. He says Israel adamant that Hamas cannot be trusted in any ceasefire deal, and that it has to be deterred. He also says the US understands this, since the US also recognizes that the Hamas attack on Israeli troops in Rafah on Friday morning was a “spit in the eye” of the US and other mediators.
Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon will deliver a televised statement and take questions from the media at Tel Aviv’s Defense Ministry headquarters at 9 p.m ***
That’s in like 10 mins or so from now, the statement and the question taking.
So the upshot of Netanyahu’s address (though I don’t know about the q&a) seems to be that the tunnel portion of the defensive measures is nearly complete, but that the rocketry portion is certainly not; that further vigilance against tunnel attacks will have to be maintained; that Israel makes its position understood amongst its allies (nominal or true); that Israel gestures in the direction of those Arab states which are taking a reevaluation of their former support to Hamas and Hamas-like terror organizations, and Israel commends these states for their new more clear-eyed evaluations, and to the extent that these nations choose, Israel will cooperate with them; and finally, that the pressure on Hamas will be maintained in general, but that the operational nature of this pressure, obviously, cannot be revealed here.
i am as a gopher
burrowing under a fence
watch out! a soldier!
israel successful
when the citizens of gaza
come out to thank them
oh my, that latter is a great one Rusty.
Anyone else a bit freaked out with how objectively pro-terrorist people have become comfortable with?
I don’t mean the professional left. I mean their brainwashed minions.
I was listening to an episode of Harmontown not that long ago (couple weeks, three weeks) and it was shocking. There was even a self-hating Jew in attendance to lend moral gravitas to the affair.
These are dangerous people. Each of them have become as a little mob of one that doesn’t even need the greater group to heighten one another’s mania.
On that score bh, one look at the photo of the pro-Hamas march down 15th st. in DC gave me a nasty case of the willies. Can’t account for it though (the Jew hate), since those sorts and I never make face to face contact any longer.
There’s something about a Hamas flag that makes one want to flip the safety off.
Oh, wait a second, I know exactly what that something is. They are open terrorist supporters walking in broad daylight in our streets.
Outright terrorists used to march openly in the streets, in their white robes and pointy hoods.
They supported/were Democrats too.
Down with coloni-
alism! Islam will soon
conquer the whole world!
It’s a thing with them.
We desire death
As you desire to live —
Waaah! Stop killing us!
One last haiku, for now —
Twelve hundred dead in
A month is genocide; Three
thousand, one day, not.
unter den linden
ample burrows to and fro
motorbike a getaway
over at the hot airs you can still see a link where “ramen noodle pofuckstick” will learn you up to the effect that you will come to understand in your head that
PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS
all of you p wizzles should click so you can all power up and get to the next level
go go go
click click click
your mom would want you to
Saw where Paki jihadis write the Mumbai po-po chief, saying “we’re coming for you, jewlover, prepare to die”.
sdferr,
Where is Shivaji when you need him most?
you still have to click though or you won’t never save the princess Mr. sdferr
i saw it at E3
isn’t it rumored that shivaji lives somewhere in xfinity on-demand, or if not couldn’t possibly matter anyway?
Shivaji currently resides in Bollywood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfa89AKETYs
sorry happyfeet but i see that name and my heels unbidden click to turn, turn in fine militant manner, spinning quite away. jes no stoppin’ ’em.
i understand but
oh
the humanity
that princess ain’t gittin any fresher
>PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS<
umm who said they were?
Pikachu, I shoo you!
I don’t get what you guys are talking about.
Ponnuru has written a fine bit of Swiftian satire here surely. What he’s trying to highlight is how those who want to kill every Jew living and drive their nation into the sea are quite beyond moral suasion.
Right? (Yeah, I know.)
To take the man more seriously than he deserves, you can see the stated influence of “just war” theory. When one wanders along those intellectually empty streets one sees signs for “Proportional Response” and the like.
It’s horseshit is what it is.
Ponnuru would never put down a quill to take up an ice-pick, nevermind a flintlock: so messy
You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.
And this is morally wrong.
>so that people and governments who disagree about the justice of a war can nonetheless agree on norms about its conduct.<
that is a problem that only muslims can resolve vis a vis islam and true allan worship
’cause true allan worship is: “hey there’s a jew behind the tree kill him”
“You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.
And this is morally wrong.”
That’s sure a wordy way of restating the Golden Rule. ;-)
*** The 26 days of fighting were sparked by the killing in June of three Israeli teens apparently at the hands of Hamas-backed Palestinians, which resulted in the killing of three Arab Palestinians teens. Hamas then fired rockets into Israel from Gaza, which prompted Israel to respond with land, sea and air attacks. ***
Where do editorial errors of this sort “three Arab Palestinian teens” begin? Where do they end?
Perhaps it’s a corollary of sorts, John. (insert emoticon here)
But, no, I don’t really mean the Golden Rule.
The Golden Rule is an in-group rule. It’s not an outside-enemy rule.
One isn’t nice to Nazis because you want them to be nice back. No, you kill enough of them to make them stop even though you really wouldn’t want them to “do the same unto you”.
It actually hit me like a mirror image of the golden rule. I know that wasn’t your intent bh.(three emoticons and two explanation marks)
gotta get me some o’ those explanation marks for when my prose isn’t (as usually it isn’t) sufficient.
It is a mirror image sort of thing along the lines of “Don’t fuck with me unless you want me to do my worst unto you.”
I suppose the real breakdown in the analogy comes from the immoral nature of allowing savages to kill your women and children just because you yourself are willing to be killed by savages, in much the same way that it’s perfectly okay to give all of your money to the government but that’s not something you are allowed to demand from others just because you’re a preening asshole.
The preening assholes in this case being Ponnuru or those pro-Hamas “peace activists”, not “you”.
Bah! Explanation marks are for tradesmen. Emoticons are an art my friend!
Sorry, I got behind. I’m trying to watch John Wayne, sorry.
Exactly. Or, as more commonly stated “We love death more than you love life.” This is a win/win deal. Everybody needs to just calm down and be joyful for blessed martyrdom. And that Hamas is getting it’s nuts kicked up through its turban.
Meanwhile, in other news you should know: “Obviously, we’re hoping to find success in female incontinence,”
We all are, homey. We all are.
I’ve been thinking lately about a species of tit-for-tat regarding the Hamas and Islamic Jihad rocketry, thinking this: Israel makes as near an estimation of the size and explosive power of each Arab missile or mortar round which traverses their border with Gaza, then as their system is programmed to do, intercepts when necessary or lets fall when convenient. The tit-for-tat then emerges when Israel sends back over the border into Gaza as nearly similar an unguided missile or mortar round as they know how to find, with imprecision of fire intentionally matched to the imprecision the Arabs use. The incoming missiles or mortar rounds then land haphazardly in Gaza. What will the Gazans think? What would the Gazans do?
Suppose further. Suppose Israel announces this “policy” of tit-for-tat to the Arabs in Gaza, making sure the Arabs understand each for each, one by one — and communicate further that should the Arabs wish this reciprocity to end, all they need do is seize the Hamasians and hand them over, as well as hand over the corpses taken by the ghouls. Hamasian rocketry stops, Israeli reciprocity stops. Then let the Gazans decide when.
To hell with proportionality and its kid brother reciprocity. Do you bite a rabid dog back, or do you destroy it?
That would be instructive to their supporters, sdferr, which is clearly what is needed.
Why not make it even more instructive and show how modern civilizations can make war a magnitude greater than their stone age understanding of the world allows them?
Israel may still aim at destroying Hamas by inducing its own cohabitants to destroy it for them. In fact, the outcome could very well be much better that way. But nothing guarantees success. On the other hand, without making the attempt they would never find out. And the alternative remains.
I’d say reciprocity is necessary here, Pablo. Proportionality, no.
Caroline Glick’s latest column suggests that most likely Hamas will remain in control (of everything, is key) in Gaza once the Israelis decide upon a hiatus. Her sense of right at this point is to attempt to assure that the border controls be infinitely tighter, with much greater pressure from the US on any and all attempts at funding Hamas hereafter. I don’t recall every measure she recommends, but many begin in the US Congress, denying any US monies go into Gaza, denying any US funds go into the hands of UNRWA, and so on. Pressure on the Qataris, cutting off military sales. Even more pressure on the Turks, ridding them from NATO and so on.
All that is premised on her understanding of the cause of Hamas’ choice to fire this war up now, which was, they have fallen into crisis at home, can’t pay their henchmens, can’t feed their peoples, etc. They saw a rising coming, and sought to avoid it by breaking the quarantine. Which is where ObaZma and Kerry came in, supporting Qatari and Turkish proposals to reward Hamas. Ah, well, we’re getting used to such treacheries, aren’t we?
Something that’s worried me for a couple decades now are these constant media images of Arabs throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails in the street.
That is just a bad idea. That’s encouraging. It looks cool on a poster. Getting shot because you’re so fucking stupid that you try to fight a war with a rock in your hand, well, that isn’t so encouraging. It doesn’t look cool in a photo. It just looks dumb. Dumb like someone who tried to play a game of rock, paper, tank.
actually, it seems to me that a rocketry tit-for-tat would tend to increase the disproportionate level of death and injury between the two, since Israel would still be preventing the great bulk of any death by Arab rocket in Israel, whereas Hamas can do nothing to prevent death in Gaza when unguided missiles fly in. One further result of such a programmatic approach would be to clearly demonstrate to the world exactly what Israel has been avoiding with every Hamas missile which fails to hit home.
>It just looks dumb. Dumb like someone who tried to play a game of rock, paper, tank.<
well the proggtards show dumb to their disciples who buy it. alot of dummies in the world from a certified dummie.
Israel’s asymetric anti-rocket/missile defensive capability eluded me when I was thinking about your supposition, sdferr.
I’d still prefer straight up killing of all Hamas agents and those in the populace who grant them free action though. Seems more efficient if not as obvious to grasp for the truly donkey-kicked amongst them.
Having great numbers of those angry Hamas flag-wielding dudes laying dead here and there to observe during their walk to work or the market would probably be plenty educational.
I’d say they’re getting more than reciprocity, bh. Hamas doesn’t have 30k troops stomping around Israel, does it?
I’ve nothing per se against killing Hamasians. The trouble is finding them. Just a day ago I was reading an account which came from an Israeli foot-soldier in the battle of Jabailia last week — he said he never once saw the people who were shooting rifles and antitank rounds at him, but that it was plain there were plenty of them (though apparently those particular Hamasians were destroyed in an artillery assault). And as noted, the Hamasian leadership are underground beneath a hospital, which if we grant that Israel can surely assault and take, we also have to grant that they will lose many good men of their own in the doing it.
but tunnels
Israeli tunnels to Shifa
Still like
>he said he never once saw the people who were shooting rifles and antitank rounds at him, but that it was plain there were plenty of them <
allan ackbar. the cult of the moe.
mock allan and his moetards.
The reciprocity I’m thinking about is the full intent to destroy the other as an ongoing entity, Pablo.
Hamas must be destroyed. Not damaged, not weakened, not degraded. Destroyed.
Why is this hospital still standing?
Because it was once a hospital even though it is now the cover for an enemy base? How about fair warning is given and then it no longer exists the next day. Surely buildings take longer to build than it takes to destroy them. Once the building no longer exists then there are probably ways to suck oxygen from tunnel systems in a quick and drastic method.
The hospital isn’t an issue. The tunnels aren’t an issue.
As Jeff alludes to above, there were plenty of nice buildings in Dresden that stopped being nice buildings in Dresden.
(Tunnels you know the location of aren’t an issue that is.)
If Israel thought it possible to destroy Shifa and with it, the monsters it houses I think it would have already been done. It must be true that this decision to leave it upright can be reversed, yet it is not clear what would drive that. Perhaps had the recently discovered Rosh Hashanah attack been carried off?
I’m really not trying to flip here. Just don’t think the destruction of an enemy base (which was once a hospital) and tunnel system require any Israeli casualties.
Well that’s true. Assaulting the place, I think, would entail a couple of things. On the one hand, capturing the bastards, and on the other in the alternative, assuring they’re dead and not escaped.
Towards your 10:18, sdferr, I suppose I really have no idea as to what Israel’s leaders are thinking. Probably even less about the strategic import of any unknown discoveries they made about the planned Rosh Hashanah attacks.
I stated that poorly. By that I mean, I assume that the Rosh Hashanah plan wasn’t the only one of its kind. It’s an ongoing offensive with many plots.
There are probably four or five active conspiracies going on right now with different dates, actors, targets.
Something very awful in the discovered plot moved Israeli leftists in a hardened direction I don’t think we’ve seen in decades, so I just assume it was ghastly scary.
Oh by brothers and my dear sisters
Which of you longs to crush my skull
Which of you hides a poisoned dagger
Or waits for a moment to wrap your hands around my throat?
Is it hatred that drives you?
Is it a cold blooded morbid sort of curiosity?
Do you just like to watch things die?
Are you out to search my pockets?
Or do you fear that I’ll kill you?
Are you out to save me from the grinding jaws of time?
Do we have our waivers signed?
Then best if we proceed.
Why are we carrying these weapons now?
I forget why I forgot but forgot I did, forgetfully, so
Why are we sneaking through these weeds?
Are we but ants confused by scents too complex for our tiny brains to read?
Are we here to save the world or found a kingdom?
Are we a tax dollar away from some new milestone?
Or are we merely here to scourge the poor nerds one more time?
Gave me a shovel
told me to dig a grave
Missed his shot
when I dug his neck instead
and sat
to wait
for snakes
or rain
to
dull
that pain
again.
a bus cries out ” a
jew hides inside me!”. Too bad
a well armed jewtizen