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The “The ‘Hamas is a persecuted victim of the Zionist racists’ haiku” haiku

Our trees scream out, “a

Jew hides behind me!” Too bad

they can’t quite spot missiles yet…

127 Replies to “The “The ‘Hamas is a persecuted victim of the Zionist racists’ haiku” haiku”

  1. john says:

    you never know in

    Gaza, which ass will explode

    two-legged or four

  2. McGehee says:

    A long, hot summer
    Be sure to push the button
    Yell, “Allah — !” KABOOM

  3. Pablo says:

    You’ll be happy to know what I learned today, namely that Hamas itself is an Israeli invention, just another part of the nefarious Zionist plot. Which, I’m pretty sure that makes it totally cool to kill every last fucking one of them.

    You learn some interesting shit from anti-Semites.

  4. bh says:

    Hear, hear!

  5. BigBangHunter says:

    – Why I think the Left has already begun to self-destruct and collapse politically, much as they did after Nam.

    – Could there be anything more insane and dissonant than Code Pink protesting for and supporting Islamic Jihad and Sharia law with its supreme woman suppression and hateful abuse to females. What this shows is its not about whatever they’re protesting with these morons, its just about every opportunity to be far Left and asocial in every way possible.

    – Wonder who the next “occupier” of the Democratic party will be. Besides the sheep dog black caucus that is. They never seem to learn a damn thing.

  6. john says:

    Levin was calling them Hamas-holes the other day. Made me laugh.

  7. bh says:

    Beyond that new discovery, we should also take into account our newly found license to act outside of the law.

    This has now been agreed upon. No citizen is bound by the law.

  8. bh says:

    (Yes, I know I’m doing a recapitulation of “outlaw”. I find such theater instructive though.)

  9. bh says:

    Or, as some have been saying, “ice picks”.

  10. BigBangHunter says:

    – Well not exactly bh. All non-Leftists are bound by the law. Everyone else, including all non-citizens are not bound by the law.

    – I think that means we can shoot them. Not sure.

  11. bh says:

    Perhaps, just perhaps, there should be a 2nd amendment rally in DC wherein every participant wears a t-shirt bearing the message, “Don’t worry, we’re just as bound by the law as Obama.”

  12. BigBangHunter says:

    – Bumblefuck and the Left are bound by the law of holes, which they’re about to meet up close and personal.

  13. bh says:

    Let’s say that every serious rightist started telling every leftist they know that we’ll start obeying the over-arching agreement we know as “the law” to the exact same degree that they have been doing so.

    There is nothing threatening or coercive about that, is there? I mean, there couldn’t be, right?

    So, maybe, just maybe, we start doing that.

    Game theory isn’t that complicated. We either do this or we lose.

  14. john says:

    I’ve already started ignoring the 16oz soda rule.

    OUTLAW!

  15. bh says:

    For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?

  16. bh says:

    Why does no one propose such an honest bill?

    We could call it the “Obvious Consequences of the Banana Republic Act of 2014”.

  17. sdferr says:

    heh

  18. bh says:

    What’s the downside?

    We live in a post-republican country. We may as well take our turn in holding the whip.

    (Or so we could credibly threaten after they’ve heard false story after false story about right-wing death squads in Nazi Germany or South America.)

  19. sdferr says:

    Under an understanding that the contract has been intentionally torn to pieces, and considering that in questions of the dissolution of a national agreement there is no judge but nature to turn to, the breakers had best hope the injured party chooses mercy when that time for choosing comes: in the meantime self defense will be the order of the day. And should it come to it, the breakers choice has been determinative.

  20. bh says:

    It certainly seems to to me. Their choice.

  21. bh says:

    It certainly seems so to me.

  22. Ernst Schreiber says:

    bh, that’s just crazy talk. It completely and recklessly upends the asymetrical applecart we call the status quo.

    Why, that would be like the Israelis deciding to level Gaza one building at a time just because some shavetail got hisself kidnapped.

  23. sdferr says:

    That is simply because it is so. We were keenly eager to abide by the contract as written. The breakers have acted with a positive intention — sometimes openly admitted and sometimes surreptitiously concealed — to destroy it. Nothing could possibly be plainer.

  24. newrouter says:

    >For instance, what if we passed a simple House resolution on partisan lines that simply said that the next time a Democrat failed to win the presidency we’d be sure to hound each and every one of them with the full power that Obama has now claimed on their behalf?<

    house stuff does jack feces in dingy harry's senate. impeach or defund otherwise shut the eff up.

  25. happyfeet says:

    A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs

    this is what’s headlining at National Soros Radio right now

    please to google and rtwt and report back if you find any mention of free markets or price discovery or resource allocation

    America is a fascist shithole

    nasty nasty nasty

  26. newrouter says:

    aslo how many house bills is dingy harry sitting on?

  27. newrouter says:

    >A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs<

    eff the tribe? hi hollyweird!

  28. bh says:

    house stuff does jack feces in dingy harry’s senate. impeach or defund otherwise shut the eff up.

    Damn it if you aren’t able to miss even the simplest point.

  29. bh says:

    Why, that would be like the Israelis deciding to level Gaza one building at a time just because some shavetail got hisself kidnapped.

    Just so.

  30. McGehee says:

    Newrouter, the penultimate word in your 9:59 may or may not be missing an H.

  31. sdferr says:

    *** We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectacle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offence. They boast of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death. ***

  32. BigBangHunter says:

    – Did you see that look on Lurches face when Hamas blew out the ceasefire. WTF in 36 languages. Priceless. Even HuffNPoop had to play it straight for a change. Must have been killing the bastards.

  33. sdferr says:

    *** “In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks,” the president said, adding, “It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had.” ***

    Said the glowering, imperious Prince of Sanctimony himself.

  34. guinspen says:

    The snowy picture

    we knew as newrouter now

    becomes nowruder.

  35. BigBangHunter says:

    Said the glowering, imperious Prince of Sanctimony himself.

    – Others are saying some different things.

  36. happyfeet says:

    Mr. newrouter is a good pickle he knows from fascism, that one

    America is all eat up with it, but not Mr. newrouter

    no sir

  37. sdferr says:

    tertiary syphilis then?

  38. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Torture is wrong, m’kay, much better to just blow them (and anybody who happens to be with them, innocent or not) straight to hell with a remotely fired missle off of a remotely piloted drone. Intelligence is messy. Assassination? Mr. Clean wishes he had it so good.

  39. happyfeet says:

    he has his own approach is all

  40. bh says:

    Swimming pools have faced these problems before. Occasionally they schedule different times for adults and children so that both groups can enjoy the pool without either group needlessly annoying the other.

  41. BigBangHunter says:

    – You’d need a third category. Adults, children, and Leftfeet.

  42. sdferr says:

    Intelligence is messy.

    Demonstrating that even in the rare instances when the ClownDisaster Administration has decent national security intelligence, they are content to squander it, and then ignore the squandering — so lightly do they regard the national security of the country they are charged to defend.

  43. happyfeet says:

    at the swimming pool where mom and dad would leave us sometimes they had mccraw’s taffy at the snack bar

    it’s really a top-shelf taffy if you’re looking for a really tasty bite of taffy this summer

    just don’t give any to Hamas cause they suck ass

  44. Drumwaster says:

    A Right Or A Privilege? Detroit Residents Split Over Water Shut-Offs

    I vote “Neither”. It’s a commodity, subject to being bought and sold just like anything else. You can even sell air, if someone needs it at pressure, and you have the means to pressurize it (say, to inflate a tire or go SCUBA diving).

  45. BigBangHunter says:

    I vote “Neither”.

    – Conservative killjoy.

  46. guinspen says:

    The goodness of yon

    pickle’s not at issue. I

    query his shtikl.

  47. Pablo says:

    “In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks,” the president said, adding, “It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had.”

    Then there’s what we didn’t do: Put the motherfuckers on trial. I seem to recall that we started the trials, but then something happened. Oh yeah! We elected President Dumbass. 6 years later we still have no verdicts, and that after a similar period of Democrats obstructing the trials. It seems to me they like their American killing terrorists “innocent.”

  48. guinspen says:

    Whether Pikachool

    or Pickle Pool, avoid the

    yellow water. And…

  49. BigBangHunter says:

    – “Listen Jug ears….don’t ever second guess me again you Marxist moron.”

  50. BigBangHunter says:

    – “….and there really is a tooth fairy…..he hids in my hair at night.”

  51. McGehee says:

    I vote “Neither”.

    There you go, spoiling the narrative by applying critical thinking and rejecting the approved dichotomy. How is the farmer supposed to process you if you refuse to go down the chute like good little livestock?

  52. Jeff G. says:

    Dresden the place. The “innocents” voted these people into office who are firing rockets unprovoked into Israel. Make it so the “innocents” don’t vote that way again — or that the ones remaining go and find every last Hamas fucker left in the territories and hands him over to the Israelis.

    Seriously. Time for Israel to go on a press blackout for a week — that is, don’t read about itself and how Hitleresque it is — and go and act like the Allied forces who ended the last Holocaust: destroy the enemy until it begs you to be your friend.

    Most of the pressure comes from the West — specifically, from the useful idiot, Goebbels-massaged and brain addled “political activist” wannabes. Because the Islamists and Arabs don’t have a leg of credibility to stand on.

    Fuck them and their faux outrage. If Israel shows it’s willing to level a place and kill anything that tries to do it harm, up to and including those its enemies try to hide among, things will get real.

    Critics take shots at Israel they wouldn’t take at Muslim extremists because they KNOW Israel fights with restraint and won’t seek them out and take their heads off after ass fucking them.

    Time to tell Obama to fuck off, give Hamas a couple days to get out of the strip, and then — if they don’t get left alone — to rain Hell on the evil Nazis-in-robes until the only things left moving are the Israelis picking through the rubble, looking for extant copies of Protocols to burn.

    We here in the US can do our part by refusing in any way to acknowledge the UN, and by kicking it the fuck out of our country. Turkey should likewise be booted from NATO.

    Unfortunately these domestic moves will have to wait for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Manchurian candidate to leave office.

  53. Jeff G. says:

    Too much?

    No. No I don’t think so.

  54. sdferr says:

    That’s in interesting twist on the hostage exchange.

    [Israel] Give us Hamas and the rest of you may be spared. Otherwise, we’ll fire up the lot of you. If on the other hand, you enslaved Arabs do rise up to turn them over, we’ll spare your lands, homes and businesses further destruction. Hamas is few, the rest of you are many. Hamas enjoys freedom of action while the rest of you enjoy nothing but a paltry rejoicing in our deaths: some life you’ve got there.

    Instead, take the part of free men and expel these murderers. After the ground has cooled you will find many willing to aid you to seek your own prosperity. Listen to your Arab brethren who have learned to despise Hamas — the sane among the Lebanese, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, the Emirates, the Sauds. So abandon foolishness and misery.

    If not — well, no one on earth would want to be where you are. So, this is a choice you can make to your benefit or your detriment, and to the benefit or detriment of the innocents among you.

    Only choose.

    [Once again the Melian dialogue presses to mind, though it may possibly be out of place in the Levant — where other teachings may be better. On the other hand, Israel likely knows rumored tales of hubris and nemesis, at least.]

  55. cranky-d says:

    That’s entirely too reasonable, sdferr. The “Palestinians” have been taught to have a low regard for their own lives, let alone the lives of others. I doubt they could comprehend the offer if it were extended.

    They would certainly understand getting ground into powder, though. A raw display of power would have some effect, if only to reduce their numbers.

  56. sdferr says:

    I’m entire uncertain how the Arabs in Gaza see matters cranky-d, since they are ruled by totalitarian monsters who control not only all sources of media within their own nominal jurisdiction, but outside media which chooses to venture into Gaza to “report” on the goings on there. So nothing which emerges is trustworthy. I fall back to speculations based on what little I know of human nature. These speculations may be poor, or if lucky, may hit something substantial now and again.

    Power relations between nations, on the other hand, are something about which we are supposed to know a little, despite that we insignificant ones do not actively deal in such matters in the ordinary course of living. So I resort to my western mental furniture.

  57. Jeff G. says:

    That’s the gist of it, sdferr: “you no longer have the choice between our onerous attempts at pinpoint retaliation against your indiscriminate rocket attacks against our civilian centers. You have the choice between handing over those who plan and launch such attacks, or being among them in pieces in the rubble when we lay waste to the entire misbegotten and rancid lot of ’em, and any who give them cover.

    “You voted them in. Look at this as a kind of emergency recall election.”

  58. sdferr says:

    There are I think, distinct signs that the Israelis do have in mind a strategy aimed at bringing the Gazan Arabs to their side in the contest between Hamas and Israel. They think about these things deeply, I mean, the Israelis. For instance, the simple thing: the Israelis have learned to speak the Gazans’ language, something I have not done. Whether the Israelis’ choice of strategy will induce the Gazan Arabs to seek their own prosperity, i.e., whether that strategy will succeed depends on many things: the Israelis’ choice along what lines to proceed, the Arabs’ receptivity to what their own minds tell them (regarding which is better, living with the Israelis’ choice or dying with Hamas’ choice), what time-lines the Israelis choose to accept as necessary and so on. One thing does seem clear however: the Israelis have themselves chosen a new and different path in light of what they have learned about their own mistakes in strategy over these last three decades. They are clearly done with “land” trades, if not leaning in the majority toward land annexation as yet.

    So the most important change may have already taken place — the change in the Israelis themselves, which enables new thinking and new calculations regarding the Arabs.

    Too, as many others have remarked, there seems to have been a change in other Arabs, in addition to the changes in the Israelis, although this change has not gone so far as to allow, for instance, the Egyptians to consider conquering Gaza themselves and putting an end to Hamas — both for Israel and Egypt’s sakes. So there are still barriers to overcome.

  59. BigBangHunter says:

    – Here’s a full account with the granny-skank roaring across the House floor. I Flashed on the wicked witch of the north wagging her gnarly finger just before she gets hit with a bucket of water and melts into the road.

    – Pil-lousy is feeling the heat from the Dems that have to run because her and dirty Harry have really set them up to look as bad as possible.

  60. sdferr says:

    *** Channel 2’s Udi Segal, reporting on the security cabinet decision overnight, says Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and colleagues now firmly set on unilateral end to the conflict in the next few days. He says Israel adamant that Hamas cannot be trusted in any ceasefire deal, and that it has to be deterred. He also says the US understands this, since the US also recognizes that the Hamas attack on Israeli troops in Rafah on Friday morning was a “spit in the eye” of the US and other mediators.

    Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon will deliver a televised statement and take questions from the media at Tel Aviv’s Defense Ministry headquarters at 9 p.m ***

    That’s in like 10 mins or so from now, the statement and the question taking.

  61. sdferr says:

    So the upshot of Netanyahu’s address (though I don’t know about the q&a) seems to be that the tunnel portion of the defensive measures is nearly complete, but that the rocketry portion is certainly not; that further vigilance against tunnel attacks will have to be maintained; that Israel makes its position understood amongst its allies (nominal or true); that Israel gestures in the direction of those Arab states which are taking a reevaluation of their former support to Hamas and Hamas-like terror organizations, and Israel commends these states for their new more clear-eyed evaluations, and to the extent that these nations choose, Israel will cooperate with them; and finally, that the pressure on Hamas will be maintained in general, but that the operational nature of this pressure, obviously, cannot be revealed here.

  62. Mueller says:

    i am as a gopher

    burrowing under a fence

    watch out! a soldier!

  63. Mueller says:

    israel successful

    when the citizens of gaza

    come out to thank them

  64. sdferr says:

    oh my, that latter is a great one Rusty.

  65. bh says:

    Anyone else a bit freaked out with how objectively pro-terrorist people have become comfortable with?

    I don’t mean the professional left. I mean their brainwashed minions.

    I was listening to an episode of Harmontown not that long ago (couple weeks, three weeks) and it was shocking. There was even a self-hating Jew in attendance to lend moral gravitas to the affair.

  66. bh says:

    These are dangerous people. Each of them have become as a little mob of one that doesn’t even need the greater group to heighten one another’s mania.

  67. sdferr says:

    On that score bh, one look at the photo of the pro-Hamas march down 15th st. in DC gave me a nasty case of the willies. Can’t account for it though (the Jew hate), since those sorts and I never make face to face contact any longer.

  68. bh says:

    There’s something about a Hamas flag that makes one want to flip the safety off.

    Oh, wait a second, I know exactly what that something is. They are open terrorist supporters walking in broad daylight in our streets.

  69. McGehee says:

    Outright terrorists used to march openly in the streets, in their white robes and pointy hoods.

    They supported/were Democrats too.

  70. agha_memnun says:

    Down with coloni-
    alism! Islam will soon
    conquer the whole world!

  71. bh says:

    It’s a thing with them.

  72. agha_memnun says:

    We desire death
    As you desire to live —
    Waaah! Stop killing us!

  73. agha_memnun says:

    One last haiku, for now —

    Twelve hundred dead in
    A month is genocide; Three
    thousand, one day, not.

  74. sdferr says:

    unter den linden

    ample burrows to and fro

    motorbike a getaway

  75. happyfeet says:

    over at the hot airs you can still see a link where “ramen noodle pofuckstick” will learn you up to the effect that you will come to understand in your head that

    PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS

    all of you p wizzles should click so you can all power up and get to the next level

    go go go

    click click click

    your mom would want you to

  76. sdferr says:

    Saw where Paki jihadis write the Mumbai po-po chief, saying “we’re coming for you, jewlover, prepare to die”.

  77. agha_memnun says:

    sdferr,

    Where is Shivaji when you need him most?

  78. happyfeet says:

    you still have to click though or you won’t never save the princess Mr. sdferr

    i saw it at E3

  79. sdferr says:

    isn’t it rumored that shivaji lives somewhere in xfinity on-demand, or if not couldn’t possibly matter anyway?

  80. agha_memnun says:

    Shivaji currently resides in Bollywood
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfa89AKETYs

  81. sdferr says:

    sorry happyfeet but i see that name and my heels unbidden click to turn, turn in fine militant manner, spinning quite away. jes no stoppin’ ’em.

  82. happyfeet says:

    i understand but

    oh

    the humanity

    that princess ain’t gittin any fresher

  83. newrouter says:

    >PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS<

    umm who said they were?

  84. agha_memnun says:

    Pikachu, I shoo you!

  85. bh says:

    I don’t get what you guys are talking about.

    Ponnuru has written a fine bit of Swiftian satire here surely. What he’s trying to highlight is how those who want to kill every Jew living and drive their nation into the sea are quite beyond moral suasion.

    Right? (Yeah, I know.)

  86. bh says:

    To take the man more seriously than he deserves, you can see the stated influence of “just war” theory. When one wanders along those intellectually empty streets one sees signs for “Proportional Response” and the like.

    It’s horseshit is what it is.

  87. sdferr says:

    Ponnuru would never put down a quill to take up an ice-pick, nevermind a flintlock: so messy

  88. bh says:

    You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.

    And this is morally wrong.

  89. newrouter says:

    >so that people and governments who disagree about the justice of a war can nonetheless agree on norms about its conduct.<

    that is a problem that only muslims can resolve vis a vis islam and true allan worship

  90. newrouter says:

    ’cause true allan worship is: “hey there’s a jew behind the tree kill him”

  91. john says:

    “You see, civilized men agreed long ago that only reciprocal conduct should be honored. To not make this distinction is to become uncivilized, to grant the respect earned by the civilized to any and all savage people is to make it worthless.
    And this is morally wrong.”

    That’s sure a wordy way of restating the Golden Rule. ;-)

  92. sdferr says:

    *** The 26 days of fighting were sparked by the killing in June of three Israeli teens apparently at the hands of Hamas-backed Palestinians, which resulted in the killing of three Arab Palestinians teens. Hamas then fired rockets into Israel from Gaza, which prompted Israel to respond with land, sea and air attacks. ***

    Where do editorial errors of this sort “three Arab Palestinian teens” begin? Where do they end?

  93. bh says:

    Perhaps it’s a corollary of sorts, John. (insert emoticon here)

    But, no, I don’t really mean the Golden Rule.

  94. bh says:

    The Golden Rule is an in-group rule. It’s not an outside-enemy rule.

    One isn’t nice to Nazis because you want them to be nice back. No, you kill enough of them to make them stop even though you really wouldn’t want them to “do the same unto you”.

  95. john says:

    It actually hit me like a mirror image of the golden rule. I know that wasn’t your intent bh.(three emoticons and two explanation marks)

  96. sdferr says:

    gotta get me some o’ those explanation marks for when my prose isn’t (as usually it isn’t) sufficient.

  97. bh says:

    It is a mirror image sort of thing along the lines of “Don’t fuck with me unless you want me to do my worst unto you.”

    I suppose the real breakdown in the analogy comes from the immoral nature of allowing savages to kill your women and children just because you yourself are willing to be killed by savages, in much the same way that it’s perfectly okay to give all of your money to the government but that’s not something you are allowed to demand from others just because you’re a preening asshole.

  98. bh says:

    The preening assholes in this case being Ponnuru or those pro-Hamas “peace activists”, not “you”.

  99. john says:

    Bah! Explanation marks are for tradesmen. Emoticons are an art my friend!

  100. john says:

    Sorry, I got behind. I’m trying to watch John Wayne, sorry.

  101. Pablo says:

    We desire death
    As you desire to live –

    Exactly. Or, as more commonly stated “We love death more than you love life.” This is a win/win deal. Everybody needs to just calm down and be joyful for blessed martyrdom. And that Hamas is getting it’s nuts kicked up through its turban.

    Meanwhile, in other news you should know: “Obviously, we’re hoping to find success in female incontinence,”

    We all are, homey. We all are.

  102. sdferr says:

    I’ve been thinking lately about a species of tit-for-tat regarding the Hamas and Islamic Jihad rocketry, thinking this: Israel makes as near an estimation of the size and explosive power of each Arab missile or mortar round which traverses their border with Gaza, then as their system is programmed to do, intercepts when necessary or lets fall when convenient. The tit-for-tat then emerges when Israel sends back over the border into Gaza as nearly similar an unguided missile or mortar round as they know how to find, with imprecision of fire intentionally matched to the imprecision the Arabs use. The incoming missiles or mortar rounds then land haphazardly in Gaza. What will the Gazans think? What would the Gazans do?

    Suppose further. Suppose Israel announces this “policy” of tit-for-tat to the Arabs in Gaza, making sure the Arabs understand each for each, one by one — and communicate further that should the Arabs wish this reciprocity to end, all they need do is seize the Hamasians and hand them over, as well as hand over the corpses taken by the ghouls. Hamasian rocketry stops, Israeli reciprocity stops. Then let the Gazans decide when.

  103. Pablo says:

    To hell with proportionality and its kid brother reciprocity. Do you bite a rabid dog back, or do you destroy it?

  104. bh says:

    That would be instructive to their supporters, sdferr, which is clearly what is needed.

    Why not make it even more instructive and show how modern civilizations can make war a magnitude greater than their stone age understanding of the world allows them?

  105. sdferr says:

    Israel may still aim at destroying Hamas by inducing its own cohabitants to destroy it for them. In fact, the outcome could very well be much better that way. But nothing guarantees success. On the other hand, without making the attempt they would never find out. And the alternative remains.

  106. bh says:

    I’d say reciprocity is necessary here, Pablo. Proportionality, no.

  107. sdferr says:

    Caroline Glick’s latest column suggests that most likely Hamas will remain in control (of everything, is key) in Gaza once the Israelis decide upon a hiatus. Her sense of right at this point is to attempt to assure that the border controls be infinitely tighter, with much greater pressure from the US on any and all attempts at funding Hamas hereafter. I don’t recall every measure she recommends, but many begin in the US Congress, denying any US monies go into Gaza, denying any US funds go into the hands of UNRWA, and so on. Pressure on the Qataris, cutting off military sales. Even more pressure on the Turks, ridding them from NATO and so on.

    All that is premised on her understanding of the cause of Hamas’ choice to fire this war up now, which was, they have fallen into crisis at home, can’t pay their henchmens, can’t feed their peoples, etc. They saw a rising coming, and sought to avoid it by breaking the quarantine. Which is where ObaZma and Kerry came in, supporting Qatari and Turkish proposals to reward Hamas. Ah, well, we’re getting used to such treacheries, aren’t we?

  108. bh says:

    Something that’s worried me for a couple decades now are these constant media images of Arabs throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails in the street.

    That is just a bad idea. That’s encouraging. It looks cool on a poster. Getting shot because you’re so fucking stupid that you try to fight a war with a rock in your hand, well, that isn’t so encouraging. It doesn’t look cool in a photo. It just looks dumb. Dumb like someone who tried to play a game of rock, paper, tank.

  109. sdferr says:

    actually, it seems to me that a rocketry tit-for-tat would tend to increase the disproportionate level of death and injury between the two, since Israel would still be preventing the great bulk of any death by Arab rocket in Israel, whereas Hamas can do nothing to prevent death in Gaza when unguided missiles fly in. One further result of such a programmatic approach would be to clearly demonstrate to the world exactly what Israel has been avoiding with every Hamas missile which fails to hit home.

  110. newrouter says:

    >It just looks dumb. Dumb like someone who tried to play a game of rock, paper, tank.<

    well the proggtards show dumb to their disciples who buy it. alot of dummies in the world from a certified dummie.

  111. bh says:

    Israel’s asymetric anti-rocket/missile defensive capability eluded me when I was thinking about your supposition, sdferr.

    I’d still prefer straight up killing of all Hamas agents and those in the populace who grant them free action though. Seems more efficient if not as obvious to grasp for the truly donkey-kicked amongst them.

    Having great numbers of those angry Hamas flag-wielding dudes laying dead here and there to observe during their walk to work or the market would probably be plenty educational.

  112. Pablo says:

    I’d say they’re getting more than reciprocity, bh. Hamas doesn’t have 30k troops stomping around Israel, does it?

  113. sdferr says:

    I’ve nothing per se against killing Hamasians. The trouble is finding them. Just a day ago I was reading an account which came from an Israeli foot-soldier in the battle of Jabailia last week — he said he never once saw the people who were shooting rifles and antitank rounds at him, but that it was plain there were plenty of them (though apparently those particular Hamasians were destroyed in an artillery assault). And as noted, the Hamasian leadership are underground beneath a hospital, which if we grant that Israel can surely assault and take, we also have to grant that they will lose many good men of their own in the doing it.

  114. sdferr says:

    but tunnels

    Israeli tunnels to Shifa

    Still like

  115. newrouter says:

    >he said he never once saw the people who were shooting rifles and antitank rounds at him, but that it was plain there were plenty of them <

    allan ackbar. the cult of the moe.

  116. newrouter says:

    mock allan and his moetards.

  117. bh says:

    The reciprocity I’m thinking about is the full intent to destroy the other as an ongoing entity, Pablo.

    Hamas must be destroyed. Not damaged, not weakened, not degraded. Destroyed.

  118. bh says:

    Why is this hospital still standing?

    Because it was once a hospital even though it is now the cover for an enemy base? How about fair warning is given and then it no longer exists the next day. Surely buildings take longer to build than it takes to destroy them. Once the building no longer exists then there are probably ways to suck oxygen from tunnel systems in a quick and drastic method.

    The hospital isn’t an issue. The tunnels aren’t an issue.

    As Jeff alludes to above, there were plenty of nice buildings in Dresden that stopped being nice buildings in Dresden.

  119. bh says:

    (Tunnels you know the location of aren’t an issue that is.)

  120. sdferr says:

    If Israel thought it possible to destroy Shifa and with it, the monsters it houses I think it would have already been done. It must be true that this decision to leave it upright can be reversed, yet it is not clear what would drive that. Perhaps had the recently discovered Rosh Hashanah attack been carried off?

  121. bh says:

    I’m really not trying to flip here. Just don’t think the destruction of an enemy base (which was once a hospital) and tunnel system require any Israeli casualties.

  122. sdferr says:

    Well that’s true. Assaulting the place, I think, would entail a couple of things. On the one hand, capturing the bastards, and on the other in the alternative, assuring they’re dead and not escaped.

  123. bh says:

    Towards your 10:18, sdferr, I suppose I really have no idea as to what Israel’s leaders are thinking. Probably even less about the strategic import of any unknown discoveries they made about the planned Rosh Hashanah attacks.

  124. bh says:

    I stated that poorly. By that I mean, I assume that the Rosh Hashanah plan wasn’t the only one of its kind. It’s an ongoing offensive with many plots.

    There are probably four or five active conspiracies going on right now with different dates, actors, targets.

  125. sdferr says:

    Something very awful in the discovered plot moved Israeli leftists in a hardened direction I don’t think we’ve seen in decades, so I just assume it was ghastly scary.

  126. palaeomerus says:

    Oh by brothers and my dear sisters
    Which of you longs to crush my skull
    Which of you hides a poisoned dagger
    Or waits for a moment to wrap your hands around my throat?
    Is it hatred that drives you?
    Is it a cold blooded morbid sort of curiosity?
    Do you just like to watch things die?
    Are you out to search my pockets?
    Or do you fear that I’ll kill you?
    Are you out to save me from the grinding jaws of time?
    Do we have our waivers signed?
    Then best if we proceed.
    Why are we carrying these weapons now?
    I forget why I forgot but forgot I did, forgetfully, so
    Why are we sneaking through these weeds?
    Are we but ants confused by scents too complex for our tiny brains to read?
    Are we here to save the world or found a kingdom?
    Are we a tax dollar away from some new milestone?
    Or are we merely here to scourge the poor nerds one more time?
    Gave me a shovel
    told me to dig a grave
    Missed his shot
    when I dug his neck instead
    and sat
    to wait
    for snakes
    or rain
    to
    dull
    that pain
    again.

  127. sdferr says:

    a bus cries out ” a

    jew hides inside me!”. Too bad

    a well armed jewtizen

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