So, I’ve mentioned the swarm of Twittercons who’ve spent the last couple days coming after me — with one in particular, “ofwolfsandravens,” proving himself to especially dense and dimwitted.
Tonight, in fact, he decided (as I’m a “looser” who had to “hide behind lawyers” when “threatened by a woman”) he wanted to meet me face to face. Presumably to bump chests or some shit. Which isn’t how it works. (Hi, Marc Danziger. Are you home?) But hey, it’s his wish, so I offered to give him my address if he emailed me. Which I knew he wouldn’t do. Because, well, c’mon.
But that’s not what this post is about.
Because suddenly, unsolicited, enters into the timeline Scott Fucking Jacobs — pretending to be the tough guy, and taunting me, yet again, from a safe distance.
@DaleFranks @OfWolfAndRaven @proteinwisdom @SandyEgoCali After he threatened me, I offered my address. He never made good.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) April 24, 2014
@proteinwisdom @DaleFranks Gonna make another impotent threat, Sparky?
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) April 24, 2014
@proteinwisdom You were the one with something to prove, kitten. You made the only threats, not me.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) April 24, 2014
The same Scott Jacobs who started Tweeting me before BlogCon in Denver a few years back asking if I’d be there so he could show me I wasn’t particularly tough. How he was going to show the world the truth about “JeffyG”:
@proteinwisdom I do so look forward to meet you in Denver, Jeffy G.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) November 7, 2011
@proteinwisdom I still remember your threat, and look forward to you having the balls to try and back it up.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) November 7, 2011
The same Scott Jacobs whom I found immediately upon arrival (I literally jumped out of the car while it was still moving, much to my wife’s surprise), approached without hesitation, and asked him if he had anything he’d like say to me — my having (rather infamously) informed him if I ever met him in person I’d happily give him the opportunity to say to my face all the nasty things he was saying about me and my family online — and that if he did, things would go badly for him.
Shockingly, he didn’t have anything to say. No “Jeffy.” No “Sparky”. No “kitten.” And no “pansy.” Nothing.
I gave him the same opportunity later in the day. And the next day. Nothing. He kept his eyes down and tried to make small talk. Honestly? I thought he was going to shit himself. Which I reminded him about tonight. But like the little faraway warrior he is, he responded by denying it ever happened:
@proteinwisdom @DaleFranks HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Sure, kitten. Sure. You keep thinking that if it helps you feel like a man.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) April 24, 2014
Oh good, now the pansy's attack monkeys come to play. I've missed the idiots.
— AblativeMeatshield (@AblativMeatshld) April 24, 2014
Until today, I never really said anything about it publicly, with the exception of a few cryptic remarks here and there. Because he didn’t act the tool at BlogCon, and I thought things were settled — and that we had and understanding. I met him face to face at the first opportunity. And he looked like he was ready to break into tears at any moment. He’s a squat, fat smoker in a ball cap. Like a Trekkie trying desperately to be hip.
Yet here I am, just so stunned by his return to my life that I can hardly see straight right now.
Whatever it is about me that makes people want to take things into meatspace, it is what it is. But I’ll be goddamned if I’m going to let that fat little punk stick his head up again after several years and pretend he’s Billy Badass.
I am so sick of this bullshit. You can’t begin to imagine. All of it.
There is more honor among thieves than there is among the right-side clique that lives to try to demean me.
Life isn’t only made of pixels, though.
People need to remember that.
Don’t tread on me.
update: Place your bets!
Yep, it *is* 2009 all over again. Sorry to see that the morons are still giving you a hard time, Jeff.
More proof that the Old Testament verse is, indeed, true: “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.”
Twitter brings out the worst in people.
That’s why I love it.
He’s the very definition of a keyboard commando.
In person he’s like a doughy, musty slob.
I am sorry you have to deal with this pussy. The one thing I am sure of is he will never take you up on your offer to accommodate him.
Now the new guy who wants to fight me is retweeting Jacob’s bit about my never flying out to Chicago.
But I certainly did meet him in Denver. You could almost hear his bladder ready to empty.
I just finished a colloquium who insisted that “states rights” is always and ever a dog-whistle for racism.
And when I called her on it (that’s what you say about us, not what we are) she called me a loon and exited stage left.
“Ablative Meatshield”?
I AM ABLATIVE ARMOR!
He’s the one who wants to beat you up, he should make the trip, not you.
In old soviet unio… uh I mean on Twitter, dog shit steps on youuuuu…
What a piece of work. Does this mean that you have to document every fricking meatspace encounter with these losers on video?
A reading from the Book Of (Tamara) Ecclestone, 1:9:
9 The douchebag that hath been, it is that douchebag which shall be; and that which is cowardly is that which shall be cowardly: and there is no new douchebag under the sun.
Being a no name, no account blogger/tweeter means never having to deal with the assholes who seem to crawl out of the woodwork around you, Jeff. I don’t get it. Oh sure, I get being a jagoff who can pretend to be tough from a safe distance. What I don’t get is the apparent enjoyment someone gets out of being a jagoff asshole.
You’re a better man than me, though. Any fuckwad saying the shit about me and mine that the Marlboro Dough Boy had said to you would still be picking up teeth. Of course, my wife and kids would now be visiting me on weekends, so it’s probably just as well.
People really ought to take my advice more often than they do.
Again with the status-point seekers. Have done with them, Jeff. You will be much happier.
Come to think of it, I believe the Ablative one may have other motivations for his sudden break in silence.
I wonder how long it will be before anybody cares what I think.
Aw, look: Another lonely soul seeking attention.
I wonder when you’ll ever realize what a sad little man you are and find something more constructive to do with your pitiful life.
Probably not. Anonymous crap from the safety of your keyboard is pretty much all you can do.
Well you would (wonder) if only because you’re a sick fuck and seem to have some need to prove it every now and again. But rest assured, we already know what you are, so you can leave it at that.
There was a letter to the editor today in the WSJ about the morality tale of protecting your dog vs. another human being. I didn’t get into the conversation, but the overwhelming view was that between a strange human and your own dog, if you had to save one of them, the human should come first, and you’re sick if you don’t.
After reading what Jeff has gone through over the years, including this twitter-storm, and reading comments in blogs on both sides of the political divide, why on earth would I save some other guy before my own dog?
In general, the internet brings out the real honesty of how people are. The fact that he said things via twitter vs. not having the balls to say it to you directly is proof-positive.
I’m really getting to dislike the human race.
Welcome to the club, I Callahan.
My dog is 12 or 13 years old and my mother-in-law keeps talking about how we need another dog “to keep this one company.”
I have to keep reminding her that when Lucy is gone the new dog would still be here, and if that dog then needs company the solution won’t be to keep getting new dogs. If you have a dog that isn’t getting enough attention you shouldn’t have that dog, let alone more dogs.
My experience with “animal lovers” doesn’t seem to recommend them as highly as people expect.
My -last- cat is 15 and suffers from kidney disease and diabetes. When my wife asked if we should get another cat, I told her that this one was enjoying being the only cat in the house and I was going to let her go out that way.
About 10 years ago, I looked at the comparable ages of all my dogs and cats and knew that I would be in for a rough couple of years. And so I have. But there’s no reason to make it hard on them, too.
Mi-a-ou, for the good times.
Our 20 year old cat, Miss Kitty, went to the great beyond last year. Since then, we have acquired two more dogs—freeloaders who showed up because there is a big sign that is invisible to humans on the mailbox that says “Suckers”. We lost three pets in a little over two years and that was tough: two dogs and the cat.
Our eldest dog is like a living hunk of furniture. He’s a 14 year old Lab who spends his days and nights sleeping in his bed in the dining room or his bed in the bedroom. He’s hung in longer than I expected him to.
My experience with “animal lovers” doesn’t seem to recommend them as highly as people expect.
Animals are easier to deal with than people. They can’t talk, have simple emotional lives, and make predictable demands. Even when they puke on the carpet it’s easier to deal with than your deadbeat BiL who keeps asking for money or the ex-wife who takes “harpy” well into hellish dimensions.
So the more you elevate your relationships with animals, the more you diminish your tolerance of humans. Add that to our penchant for texting at the dinner table instead of talking to live people and you get the moral inversion that prompted the Nazis to experiment on humans while writing treatises on how dogs are smarter than humans.
Says the spinster with a cat whose social interaction is 95% electronic.
We’ve got 12 cats under our roof and I’m pretty sure the oldest is pushing 20. My mother-in-law’s youngest (four, from the same litter) are 10. In fact only two in our zoo are younger than that.
It’s going to take a few years for age to trim this herd, but none of us humans is getting younger either. We won’t be able to support this many animals much longer even if the economy somehow avoids collapse.
I see more of the “Don’t tread on me!” stickers every day. Here in the liberal hellhole of Massachusetts, that is somewhat surprising.
Let’s get back to esoteric shit I don’t understand.
And then it’s kitty stew all the way down.
I think I just *burbled* myself.
Woot!
Heck, I would have to think about saving my sister over my cat.
With our ferrets, it hit me a year ago that we had 4 all the same age and they would get old at the same time. The average life span is 7 years and they are all now 6.
The first got suddenly ill and was gone before we could get him to the vet. The next got ill a week later but, made it to the vet and is hanging on like a little old man, tough and cranky but, weak.
The two elderly lady ferrets are unfairly healthy for their age just like what happens with humans.
Why are there people like Frank?
Is there anything sadder than seeking validation from the Twitter mob? Poor Scotty. Daddy should have stuck around and mommy should have hugged him more.
kitty on my foot and i wanna touch it
“In general, the internet brings out the real honesty of how people are. ”
I’m pretty much the same asshole in person as I am on the interwebs. Consistancy id the key.
Shit, I’m having a time with a Twitterlocutor on intentionalism (but not by that name).
Turns out there’s a video of Bundy saying exactly what was reported, so my theory that it was fabricated is withdrawn.
HOWEVER.
Some fey New Yawker (@kensimonsays) is pulling the same old trick of conflating centuries-old Dixie mindsets with any comment a conservative makes about race.
The fact that I’m from out west and know that “welfare hurts the black family” is in the water and the air we breathe is subjective speculation based on anecdotal evidence, whereas Mr. NYC consensus is just connecting the inevitable dots.
Here’s the thing: Bundy is an ignoramus if he thinks that black families were intact during slavery. He’s an ignoramus to assert that intact family + slavery is better than broken family + welfare.
But that doesn’t make him a bigot. I was dismayed over Glenn Beck’s pearl-clutching this morning. You can reject Bundy for a lot of reasons, especially if he throws in with the InfoWars crowd. But that particular statement doesn’t reveal him to be toxic, just butt stupid.
Bundy is not a coherent thinker, nor is he well-spoken or articulate. He’s the very worst spokesman for his cause after Alex Jones. Everything he says reminds me of That Person who can never retell a joke so that it’s funny, even though they got the joke the first time. His word salads bespeak someone who heard someone else make a good argument about something but when he attempts to relay the ideas they get tangled up in all kinds of nonsense.
My MOTHER is like that. I have to coax out What She Really Means all the time because she uses the wrong term or misstates a causality or forgets essential details. She’s loopy sometimes. Obviously, Bundy is loopy, too.
That’s not cause to crucify him, nor to impute alien motives to him, nor to cry “UNCLEAN” and strike the lintel and posts with lamb’s blood.
He’s a moron; not a bigot.
Point those idiots to “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” by Sowell. Then again, I guess he’s an Uncle Tom (who actually was practically a saint) so what he writes doesn’t matter.
“Because suddenly, unsolicited, enters into the timeline Scott Fucking Jacobs ”
Heh. Still unseen outside a heavily curtained alcove is a certain vindictive DDA. Wouldn’t surprise to see him materialize out from under his cloud of Weiner-dick fallout, still riding a donkey whilst braying snatches of Anna Karenina.
http://theothermccain.com/2014/04/24/who-the-f-are-u/
A good man writes about another one.
Oh, this is even better: http://t.co/O8fOFymoZP
A longer clip of Bundy’s remarks shows that his emphasis is on family integrity, and that government intervention has made things worse for blacks.
Which, doy. Almost everyone out west thinks THAT.
I thought Florida fried Bundy years and years ago. What gives?
Guys, help me out over there. There’s a swarm of people on the right calling him a racist just for being an ignoramus.
He sounds racist but in all likelihood is not.
I don’t recall Bundy being supported because we all knew and love him personally. No need to feel bad.
Recall how many people supported Larry Flynt’s rights even though they found his magazines repugnant.
I agree Di but, the left would have screamed racist even if Bundy articulated his point like a Rhodes Scholar. They don’t want to admit their failures.
I frankly don’t care if Bundy has racist feelings ans thoughts. I don’t even care if he says racist things. What I care about is that the response to his refusal to pay grazing fees was to send tons of armed men to subdue him. Which is like putting a jay walker in the stocks or giving a shop lifter 42 lashes with a cane over six weeks.
I’m not going to pattern my life on Bundy’s deep thoughts, or join his ‘ give federal land to the states and counties’ movement. I don’t want him running his cows on other people’s land like in the days when farmers, sheep herders, and cowboys were NOT friends. I don’t think fences are evil. But he’s not a smuggler or a robber either.
The million dollar “fines/fees” and the parmilitary man handling are NOT the proper response. No, not even if he has racist opinions. There are better ways to handle him, and the Fed BLM recklessly ignored them to come down like thugs and almost started a wholly unnecessary shooting war.
THAT’S what I object to.
Di, if you aren’t out ruining other people’s lives, and intimidating or isolating them, then I don’t CARE if you are racist. I don’t need to cleanse your mind. I don’t need to instill a mixture of fear and compulsive guilt in you that leads to you submissively offering gestures of un-racism to keep your human status in some temporary time frame. I don’t need to send you into an ersatz ghetto or gulag for not being right on race.
I want to stop people burning crosses on lawns. I want to stop unfair hiring practices where someone who can do the job well and has a history of doing it well is passed over for some stupid ‘identity’ reason like race.
BUT…
I really don’t give a rat’s ass about gratuitous and presumptuous nonsense about micro-aggression, cultural appropriation, embarrassing opinions or misconceptions. I don’t believe in the justice or efficacy of stupid crap like “reverse discrimination” or “shaming” or in “inherently racist standardized tests”, reparations movements (no living slaves or slave holders? Then shut the fuck up and stop with the scamming.), theories of a legacy of institutional racism so deeply ingrained into a social false consciousness that makes all white people unconsciously racist and no black people racist ever – by definition, or any of that ‘pandering to grievance mobs’ garbage.
Never mind.
Gulaged again.
Pissants.
Always remember to retouch second base when rounding the bag on the way back to first. It’s just the rule.
More Tanner, less Internet tough guys.
To put it another way, here are some surprisingly nice bigots and some intolerable “tolerant people” running around.
You have a respectful conversation with a man like Bundy about where you disagree with him and accept his point of view of his even if you reject it. Then you leave him to his life unless he has a history of attacking people or defrauding them. You don’t banish him to the phantom zone or declare him fair game for anything or brand him as a heretic because he is unclean and belongs to the old world. Decency is not an inquisition.
Output is what matters not intention or theory. If Bundy is saying awkward stuff in bad taste that bothers people so be it. That’s not the same as beating people up or going on night rides. Equating thinking and saying bad things with doing cruel and violent things, without some evidence of both is SICK.
Also he’s not advocating a return to slavery so much as speculating that it is preferable to an urban welfare state with no jobs and no familiy. He’s probably wrong about that. He never saw slavery after all. Suggesting to elites that their clinical and reckless approach to “kindness” creates greater suffering than the problem is sought to offset, is not so different from Swift recommending to English land lords that raising Irish babies for food would be kinder than sending them from charity to debtor’s prison their whole lives. It’s not quite satire but it is still criticism of the effects of a policy with a shock to act as its hook.
It’s a common observation that the black family was more intact before the War on Poverty.
He was conflating that with the slavery era.
Makes him an ignoramus, not a racist.
from 1965
The Negro Family: The Case For National Action
Even a racist has a right to think his own thoughts and give voice to them. If someone is a racist, his saying racist things is how others will know about it. I prefer making my own judgments about such things than letting self-appointed moral betters make them for me.
That said, there’s more evidence Joe Biden is racist than Cliven Bundy.
Cliven Bundy is racist same as how Ron Paul is I think
they’re just not 100% sure about these black people
I just made a great point here:
Even if I do say so myself.
that’s a great point dicentra
What do you think it means?
here don’t go there
It means that they’ve got us well-trained to react to their howling as if they had a point.
They never do, even if they’re kinda sorta right, because they’re not acting on principle but on the project of accruing power to themselves.
Rats. Try again: http://www.pocketfullofliberty.com/cliven-bundy/#comment-12455
pick the target, freeze the target
Reid Tells GOP Leaders to ‘Show a United Front’ Against ‘Hateful, Dangerous Extremism’ of Bundy
If one were not disturbed by the y-tube vid of the Bonobo ape the other day, building his little campfire from scratch, lighting it with his easy strike match, then mounting his marshmallows on pointy sticks to roast on his fire so’s he could taste their marshmallowy goodness, no more, I think, ought we to be disturbed by that larger cousin ape mouthing his marshmallows to roast himself on his own personally constructed campfire. Better yet, tacos for dinner!
Fred Reed over at Takimag posts a column about racists.
He’s an idiot, but the remarks were not racist. Of course, there’s no such thing as racial anymore as long as you’re white. The “better off under slavery” stuff is retarded and he ought to know better than to go down that road. He’s got all the PR savvy of a rabid ferret.
The key with racism is to not be a utopian about it. Utopians are crazy and cannot endure the various pressures and tendency for public disinterest towards their sacred cows that reality dares heap upon them. They think it’s time to end domestic violence because they are stupid enough to believe that ending domestic violence is possible because they want it ended. A utopian is a lunatic with a club who wants to beat the universe until it behaves for its own good.
A guy burned a cross in your yard? He threatened you? How can I help.
A guy didn’t sit with you at lunch in the cafeteria? He doesn’t want to pay you money because you said the word slavery? He said something about some group that you find distasteful? Stop whining. Handle it like an adult. Don’t go full utopian.
>The “better off under slavery” stuff is retarded and he ought to know better than to go down that road. He’s got all the PR savvy of a rabid ferret.<
oh that's what dicentra was referring too. the proggtards have well trained.
You’re even less sure of these Christian people, so I’ll pick Bundy over you.
Not by much, but enough.
[everyone well trained]
Do we want the federal government to send ersatz troops go blow away an old man and his sons in the desert for unauthorized grazing? What if they said something dumb about black people? Does that really change anything? Is he more shoot-able now? For the turtles? And calling the guy a terrorist? I know which side I’m more worried about right now.
Stop giving these would be paladins power, cover, and support o’ planet earth. They are up to no good. Their methods and their goals are both repulsive and they do it mostly just to appear more important and heroic.
Okay, you came close to owing me a new keyboard.
I’ll support the confiscation of Bundy’s cattle right after troops show up on Al Sharpton’s front lawn to confiscate his assets.
After all, Sharpton says nine racist things before breakfast and owes the gubmint lots more than Bundy does. (The $1M figure for Bundy is wrong)
I’ll be over here holding my breath.
Cliven Bundy Controversial Remarks – FULL CONTEXT VIDEO (With Transcript)
Don’t even try it, newrouter. You know better too.
ok then shirley sherrod
eat a dick holder
What do you mean, Pablo? Referring to the Full Clip Link and Transcript?
actually sherrod was worse than bundy because as a gov’t official she at first discriminated against whites while cliven merely offered an opinion of the blight of low class black america in 2014.
Also, Kevin Williamson’s NRO article on How Economics Works and why Piketty and the left are morons: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376445/welcome-paradise-real-kevin-d-williamson
That paragraph right there? A thing of exquisite beauty.
>And symbolism is more comfortable for progressives in general,<
too bad the proggtards suck at that too
would an eric holder be ok?
dicentra, I’d forgotten you had another account and wondered for a bit just who this Takla Makan following me was. But only for a bit. You shine through any name.
It was my insisting that Bundy could SOUND racist without being racist, right?
The bolded parts is what I’m talking about. And what the hell is he doing going there at a press conference? What is he doing holding press conferences? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? <
or you could read that – low class blacks get a shitty education at the altar of the nea and are not taught to be productive by unproductive union thugs.
Yep.
He’s a moron, Pablo, for holding forth on such a subject in front of cameras. He’s an ignoramus for mentioning slavery and cotton at all, let alone in the same sentence.
Here’s the lead-in that no one, including Glenn Beck, bothered to quote:
Shorter version: Bad government leads to bad things, as we saw with race riots.
Here’s some more boldface:
He wasn’t talking about slavery or cotton, he was talking about how welfare ruins families.
The fact that an old rancher in a G0d-forsaken corner of NV is not savvy to PC sensibilities and euphemisms or to how his remarks sound to other people should come as no surprise to anyone.
It’s also not a crime, and it definitely isn’t bigotry. He just hasn’t been trained by the Left’s Howler Monkeys which phrases and topics to avoid. He hasn’t learned why it’s Not Worth It to say certain words or broach certain subjects.
We have. Does that put us in a position to judge him, or should we be calling out their foul methods of policing every damned word that everyone says and imputing Dixieland bigotry to a region where such a thing never took root.
Glenn Beck has plenty of legitimate reasons to give Bundy a sidelong glance, but he reserved his most righteous indignation — and his LAST STRAW OF TOLERANCE — for racist-sounding comments.
I guess Bundy’s other goofball stuff didn’t make the Left howl loud enough for Glenn to cut ties definitively. Glenn should be ashamed of himself for focusing on Bundy’s weird statement about black family life during slavery.
Being an ignoramus isn’t a hanging offense.
Letting the Left decide what’s racist and what’s not? Oughta be.
>Letting the Left decide what’s racist and what’s not? <
the proggtards did a reverse shirley sherrod/andrew breitbart with bundy. andrew though posted what he had and then posted the full video when available. the nyt/msm not so much.
so harry the reid’s “this isn’t over” stuff was a clue to the proggtard’s game plan. go alinsky
It was my insisting that Bundy could SOUND racist without being racist, right?
Even if Bundy was racist enough to qualify as Grand Kleagle of the KKK (like Robert Byrd), would that make what the government was trying to do to him and his family and his property okay? No matter how odious he might be speaking about “my peeps” or whether an armed thug might have been his son, the basic facts behind the land grab remain the same.
Who gives a shit what his personal beliefs are, or how media-savvy he might or might not be, when his story was about the BLM sending in armed men and snipers to steal his property? I might not want to sit down at a beer summit with the guy, but neither would I condone sending in snipers or allowing the government to limit his Constitutional rights to a specific patch of ground.
Yes, he should have avoided the subject, but the media is now going to make it sound like what the Searchlight Strangler wants it to sound like, rather than what it was.
youtube video big lie jail time
execute the stupid in the desert if they won’t pay their grazing fees
Justice.
Scott Jacobs reaffirms his dork creds. Not like he needed to, or anything.
Even if Bundy was racist enough to qualify as Grand Kleagle of the KKK (like Robert Byrd), would that make what the government was trying to do to him and his family and his property okay?
That’s seems to be what Reid, et al, plus a bunch of hand-wringing “omg, Bundy’s not PURE, we might lose votes” GOPers are sayin’
Those prostitutes deserved to be raped, you know?
His Facebook pictures aren’t indicative of any advanced level of fitness. The tough-guy bit seems to be built on a foundation of quicksand.
His race comments were dead on.
He didn’t say that slavery was a good thing. What he said was that he wondered how much better black people have been under the government welfare state than they were under slavery. And he’s right. They’ve traded in being a slave to the plantation owner for being a slave to the government. And, in the process, the government managed to do something slavery never did — it destroyed the black family.
Now, as Bundy, observed, they abort their babies at a rate higher than any other race. Fathers desert constantly. The children who do survive are raised without any direction in their lives. And they’re taught from day one to look to government for a handout.
In many real, tangible ways, the modern welfare state has destroyed the black community in worse ways than slavery ever did. And it won’t be until we’re willing to acknowledge that fact that there will ever be any way to repair the damage.
link
we can’t have this discussion because eric holder thinks we are cowards. way to go proggtards.
Prefect GOP answer to Reid: “We’ll get around to Bundy as soon as we get done figuring out how many ways you’re a criminal, Senator Moneybags.”
Bullshit. Blacks can walk away from the government plantation. Plenty of them have and are our friends. There’s an excellent, powerful analogy to be made there, but any direct comparison is likely to be ridiculous.
the touch, the feel of cotton
it’s the fabric of our lives you know
Cotton comes from Egypt now.
>Blacks can walk away from the government plantation. <
politics is downstream from culture someone said
And then there’s this:
My brilliant response, which will go unheeded:
“You can[not] separate the Confederate States of America’s ‘states’ rights’ ideology from the slavery that ideology served and protected. ”
Do you agree with that?
The Confederacy asserted “states rights” to protect slavery — 100+ years ago and 3 time zones away from where Bundy lives. The entrenched mentality of the South that asserted states rights as a proxy for defending slavery/Jim Crow never took root in the Intermountain West. Why would it? The Mexican Cession states were never slave states, so the distorted race relations that dominated the south (and still linger) are alien to all us Western Yokels. When we mention states rights, it’s to complain about the fact that the fed owns too much land out here and that they’re piss-poor stewards of the land.
Context matters.
The Left REFLEXIVELY, HABITUALLY, and DISHONESTLY superimposes that foul template on every single thing that modern conservatives say about race — and for the past 5 years about Obama — not because that template genuinely applies but because smearing their enemies as inveterate racists is useful to their cause, not to mention immensely self-flattering.
Any putative conservative that thinks Cliven Bundy’s insistence on states rights is EXACTLY LIKE what the CSA did needs to stop and reflect.
When I say “pan” in the USA, I’m referring to a skillet. South of the border it means “bread.” Should I scold the Latinos for using the wrong word or should I use the sense that God gave a housefly to know that words mean different things in different contexts? How long must we be beholden to the vile dynamic that existed over there and back then?
Bundy is not media-savvy enough to know that It’s Not Allowed for a conservative to speak publicly about race. Never mind the fact that it’s the LEFT who made that rule through their howling, WE MUST CRUCIFY THE HERETIC for making us look bad.
I guess it’s just too hard to push back against the LEFT’s distorted, corrupt standards that they’ve imposed on public discourse. We can’t use their shrieks to point out that Sharpton owes WAY more money to the IRS and says far more racist things every day of his life than Bundy ever imagined, but he gets a cable show and is feted at the White House, while we conservatives clutch our pearls to absolve ourselves of Bundy’s “guilt.”
Can we just stop that?
Blacks can walk away from the government plantation. Plenty of them have and are our friends.
The strong ones can, but not everyone can lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Inter-generational welfare has the same enervating effect on humans as living in captivity does on animals: inability to hunt/gather food, inability to avoid predators, bad parenting and reproduction, atrophy of the soul and mind.
Don’t underestimate the handicap of learned helplessness and the severe emotional inertia that their situation imposes. I have worked with whites who came from highly dysfunctional homes (“trailer-park trash”) who had an extremely hard time with the basics of being productive: showing up every day, on time, and sober. Following the rules. Taking orders. Accepting correction. Completing the shift. Not chatting with your friends at the table while you’re supposed to be waiting on tables.
Stuff like that. They kept getting fired because they lacked the self-control to NOT get drunk the night before a breakfast shift or because they had such severe problems with authority that they’d pitch a fit, tear the phone off the wall, and leave in the dead of night.
We went through them like popcorn in a theater. The one black guy there was normal and well-adjusted. It was the po’ white folk who couldn’t handle normal work situations.
>We went through them like popcorn in a theater. The one black guy there was normal and well-adjusted. It was the po’ white folk who couldn’t handle normal work situations. <
have you read "black rednecks – white libtards" by sowell?
You’re preaching to the choir. I thoroughly get this. But a return to slavery would not be an improvement.
if harry reid “thinks” you should do sumthing. tell to eff an euthanized turtle.
>But a return to slavery would not be an improvement. <
just say no to rhetorical questions!
eric holder’s cowards
Krauthammer’s Take: We Didn’t ‘Wait, Watch, and Think’ Before Turning Bundy Into ‘Conservative Hero’
Krauthammer is less and less someone I listen to on any topic. He’s the vain yet naive ‘Obama will rule as a centrist’ sucker.
it is nro/lowry/fat lady
But a return to slavery would not be an improvement
Not even Bundy said that. The improvement that mattered to him was family cohesion. He’d take it without the slavery.
Or is his intent obscured by his non-PC vocabulary?
“black rednecks – white libtards” by sowell
No, but I’m familiar with his take on it.
Bundy isn’t a conservative hero. He’s a warning of how big government is losing touch with its duties loyalties and responsibilities, becoming dangerously thuggish and autocratic, and attempting to insulating itself from corrective judiciary and democratic feedback.
Bundy isn’t a hero. His story was misreported at first, in his favor. But he’s the marker die that lets us see just how sick, rapacious, and dangerous our bureaucracy has become and how little people like Harry Reid, Eric Holder, or Barrack Obama care about it. Sadly he’s also a marker that shows how possible an armed insurrection is under the ham-fisted blows of such an unleashed bureaucracy.
His weird conclusions on the topic of slavery vs. welfare are the least important part of the story unless we want people with weird racial ideas to be met with excessive force when they won’t pay grazing fees on federal land.
>Some of these cultural differences have been detailed in Cracker Culture by
Grady McWhiney and in Albion’s Seed by David Hackett Fischer, as well as
in my book Black Rednecks and White Liberals. The fact that whites who came
out of that Southern culture scored lower on mental tests than Northern
whites- as well as whites from some Southern states scoring lower than
blacks from some Northern states- is much more difficult to reconcile with
genetic theories than with cultural explanations. In fact, neither of the two
main explanations of mental test score differences by the twentieth century
intelligentsia- genetic differences or racial discrimination- can account for
white Southerners scoring low on the Army mental tests in the First World
War. But the cultural explanation is consistent with both blacks and
Southern whites scoring low on these tests at that time.
Much has changed in the South in later generations, and especially in the
latter decades of the twentieth century, in part as a result of interregional
migrations which have changed the demographic and cultural makeup of
the South, perhaps more so than other regions of the country. However, as
late as the middle of the twentieth century, most blacks in America had been
born in the old South, even when they lived in the North, so the culture of
the South, which Gunnar Myrdal saw as common to both blacks and whites
born in that region, lived on in black ghettos across the country.e’ Many
features of that culture have continued to live on today, often insulated from
change by being regarded as a sacrosanct part of black culture and identity.<
intellectuals and race page 78 sowell
eat an eric holder with cheddar
Follow @dloesh for how Harry Reid’s hands are dirtier than we thought relative to Bundy.
NEW SHINY OBJECT ON TWITTER!
The world stands #UnitedforUkraine. Let’s hope that the #Kremlin & @mfa_russia will live by the promise of hashtag
And now my timeline is full to overflowing with “hashtag and war” quips. None of them with an actual hashtag in them, though.
>we thought relative to Bundy.<
bundy ain't controlling gov't unlike reid and sherrod
Sean Hannity Has Knee Jerk Reaction To Manipulated Presentation of Bundy Quote – Fearful Much ?
Thanks to slart, I’ve posted a pic of Jacobs in the thread. It’s his facebook profile pic, so I didn’t go searching around for old stuff. It’s indicative of what he thinks of himself. Right up until the time someone is right up in his face, daring him to open his fat mouth or sling back a pair of those double chins.
per eric holder
why is shirley sherrod suing a dead white guy’s estate?
can we talk about pigford now mr. holder?
In the coming months every story will revolve around racism. Think the “race card” has been charged over the limit? It has no limit.
The [D] Party is afraid that their base will only deliver 75-80%. They need 99.99 to 110%+ and will get it by hook, that’s the race card charge, or by crook, that’s where stopping voter ID and “True the Vote” comes in.
Soon breathing while white will be racist.
Coming around full circle, twaunting someone with physical violence that is no way near potentially executable, as Jeff describes, and reacting strongly to this twit’s twatty attwempt at attwemption seeking behavior seems as equally destructive as a certain NC Dem taunting her opponent with an out of context quote about Obamacare OR going ape-shit over an old rancher speaking his local dialect about how welfare-state being worse than slavery [which is not necessarily a losing argument if you look at the entire social picture – slavery was horrible and dastardly, but who can prove the welfare state isn’t worse, even if Mr Bundy doesn’t articulate the argument appropriately? Is Detroit, Chi-town or Bedford-St better than a plantation? They all are horrible travesties. Do the thousands to millions who died on slave ships and under the whip before emancipation compare worse than the millions of aborted innocents, drug/sex whores and bangers sacrificed to the liberal liturgy of dependency? ].
mr. holder – who is the coward?
Jeff, I know you don’t want to hear this, but turning Satch loose on Jacobs would be truly inhumane. Jacobs wouldn’t stand a chance, and Satch would learn that violence doesn’t solve anything.
>Do the thousands to millions who died on slave ships and under the whip before <
who sold them? it wasn't white people. who tried to stop it, it wasn't black people.
hey hey ho ho
western civproggtardia got to goSo… Bundy picked the wrong example and therefore needs to die? Is that the prog line now?
I guess it’s a pity, he could have used the example of black families after slavery who persevered despite Jim Crow and were doing better after Jim Crow was removed up until a certain party passed the laws forming the Great Society which tore much of that family stability up.
Oh wait: We have to seethe on command at the inarticulate person who is not one of the Pod People. Nevermind.
He just seems so unhappy, and bitter. I think he needs a hug.
bundy never said unlike lbj
Flashback, Lyndon Johnson Explains How War On Poverty Is A Slavemaster’s Fraud: ‘I’ll Have Those Niggers Voting Democratic For The Next 200 Years’
I was wondering what his teeshirt says, so I Googled it.
It is, believe it or not, R’lyeh for “sell your soul for a cookie”.
Really. I am not making that up.
>“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ
You can find this in Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”
Read more at http://patdollard.com/2014/02/flashback-lyndon-johnson-on-phony-war-on-poverty-ill-have-those-niggers-voting-democratic-for-the-next-200-years/#v2ep2tUJkux8FXxu.99<
talk to the coward!
baracky be the biggest coward. effin mom jeans loser.
It comes from having a soul you can sell over and over.
“Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv’iornw hqxoxon targh?”
Indeed he has, over and over and over.
oh good god … got my CA primary pamphlet today … Cindy Sheehan is in the pack for Governor under the Peace & Freedom Party
Darn Slart.
I spent too much time trying to find the exact shirt.
Scott Jacobs looks like just a normal everyday guy in America
which is to say he could use a touch of moisterizer
(sp?)
Moistening agent. Moisturizer is a bullshit word like Häagen-Dazs®, cisheterocentrism, or intersectionality.
His nose is kinda threatening. It’s like looking down the barrels of a shotgun.
he could use a touch of moistening agent I mean
He looks to me like he’s constantly angry that he grew up resembling a two-legged pig who’s been relegated to some shitty pen on the outskirts of Peoria.
I’m serious. I’m done with this crap. That was a big mistake he made, re-entering my consciousness uninvited. I gave him a graceful way out last time. Never beat my chest and made a big production out of it because I wasn’t looking to embarrass him. I just wanted him to know that one day he may run his mouth and have a brutal comeuppance visited upon him as a result. Me, I showed restraint. But not everybody would have, and I don’t turn the other cheek as a matter of rote behavior. It was a one-time pardon.
So after nearly three years he took to Twitter to rewrite history. For no reason. Simply to stir shit back up.
If there’s a next time we meet? Well, let’s just say that I rarely get as angry as I’ve been since last night. And I hold on to shit like that. It drives me.
So I wouldn’t want to be on the other side.
you have to cover up your ears like a kid
when Scott’s words mean nothing just go la la la
Kick him out of your head Jeff. He can’t afford the rent.
He already knows how small and insubstantial he rally is. A bruise won’t tell him anything he doesn’t know. He’s a worm that evolved with big fake eyes on his ass to scare stupid birds away. Let him have his plastic fright mask that hides his real dough-boy face. In blog space he gets to play minitu. In meatspace you have two kids, a dog, a house, a new house on the way, a wife, an armadillo, and shit I don’t even know about. You won this fight a long time ago. Let the sons of Belial chatter on meaninglessly as they do. You’ve got real stuff to worry about and defend and nurture.
Tremendous thread.
Your boy Tanner is beautiful. Oh, his little teefs!
Jeff, you are a treasure. Happy Feet, you crack me up, the cotton thing had me laughing out loud, damn that is funny.
Yeesh. You know who that reminds me of? This asshat. The first comment on that post seems to fit as well.
I spect his lawyer acquaintance advised him that under Napoleonic Law this is looking very much like Waterloo all over again.
Or He who stirs the shit will lick the spoon. Verily.
I’m lying in wait for a varmint tonight, too. Something is after my chickens.
I say if someone has to stand on an imaginary stepladder to push your buttons then the buttons never really got pushed.
Getting mad about it is like punishing a kid for throwing an imaginary hand grenade on the playground. Except the kid is a fat asshole on twitter. But he’s still a kid behind those piggy eyes.
Sure he’ll probably end up as bit of sauce on the bottom of the Dingo boot of a stray god of the copybook headings one day, but until then he’s a silly bullshitasaurus doing what those critters do. And Twitter seems to be the place to do it.
Place your bets!
I’ll put $20 on the guy with the cool shades. Although his opponent may have a weapon tucked into the fold of that double chin.
I don’t know/care about Bundy’ s personal views, but it is correct tho say that modern liberalism and it’s government have done their best to destroy black people in a way it doesn’t whites. Po whites , as a population, do not fall back on teh racism to account for their difficulties. You find similar behaviors and dependency, but %s reveal the problem.
My house in detroit was just a bit over a mile from where that unpleasantness happened. That is children raised by the government. That is how they behave.
I’m fairly certain that, among people whose opinions actually matter (e.g., folks here, R.S. McCain, et al), Jeff’s physical, intellectual and moral superiority over the flatulent meat puppet has never been at issue, and never will be.
Godzilla stomping Bambi was funny as hell, but didn’t really prove anything.
That’s because the only people willing to tell them they’re not to blame for their own problems are the old fashioned socio-economic class warfare Marxists –and nobody listens to them.
Who’s we kemosabe?
Scott Jacobs reminds me of one of the fat cousins in Nebraska. The stupid(er) one.
In other news, they sure did get that health care system up in Oregon all fixed up!
Oregon moves to dump health exchange website
And all for a measly quarter billion!
Speculation: early onset MPB. Your pen-pal has issues.
And all for a measly quarter billion!
In so many jurisdictions — up to and including the Federal — there are thousands if not tens 0f thousands of ‘legal’ frauds going unexamined, let alone punished, all frauds erected upon plain coercions. What could possibly be worse from the point of view of respect for the law, starting from the nominal top of the IWonPenPhone heap? Civility can hardly be expected in a politics built upon lies. But for the sake of peas, Doktor Goebbels pleads, please don’t associate Islam with the destruction of the World Trade Center towers. We can’t have truth entering to muck up the works.
Updated with appropriate imagery
I heart froggyfoot, we should all immolate him like he told us to!
*emulate*
*hugs*
Lawlessness: “It is not a bug of Progressivism, but a feature.”
But but but “feature!”
Feature? Yes. But also dogma.
“The doctrines of natural law and natural rights have met a similar fate.”
And if I may risk yet another repetition, can be seen no more plainly in the stupid talk of “States’ rights”, where the American founding doctrine held that rights inhere in persons, whereas, taking care with language (as well as ontological relationships), power is the predicate of States.
For some reason I don’t quickly discern geoffb, that link to National Review seems to be broken.
I still have no idea who this Scott fellow is (other than an asshat), but I have no doubt that you could twist him like a coathanger, Jeff.
Try this. NR changed their links.
Wow. I haven’t looked at Jeff’s site for several days, and I’ve just scanned this melodramatic Twitter drama. This merely reinforces my decision never to use my Twitter account. 90% of Twitter consists of material less palatable than the comments on YouTube. You would think conservatives might appreciate at least a few voices devoted to classical liberalism. But then you would be wrong.
All of this juvenile pounding of the keyboard reminds me why I quit hanging around Ace Of Spades. Most of the time over there, I commented just to make jokes, given that discussion amongst commenters and even with the bloggers themselves was usually fruitless or superfluous. However, applying black humor and sarcastic mockery stepped on so many toes it no longer remained enjoyable. Left the place nearly 6 months ago and haven’t looked back. My time is much better used elsewhere. The bloggers over there are a mixed lot. And there seems to be a definite “time of the month” factor to their moods.
Jeff’s physical, intellectual and moral superiority over the flatulent meat puppet
I saw Flatulent Meat Puppet open for The Butthole Surfers in 1989.
Thanks Geoff, that works fine.
Win.
I had a chance to see The Butthole Surfers when I lived in Dallas 1983-85, but didn’t take it.
Darleen says April 24, 2014 at 10:33 pm
oh good god … got my CA primary pamphlet today … Cindy Sheehan is in the pack for Governor under the Peace & Freedom Party
I think I do one better.
The democrats put up a republican candidate for governor or comptroller or some such shit and got his name on the ballot. A smart reporter went to the address to interview the candidate. He didn’t even know he was running. He was the son of some democrat opertive. The guy lived in his parents basement. Hilarity ensued. Illinois politics. Where even the republicans are democrats. I shit you not.
*flatulates*
Just read R S McCain’s take on this Twitter drama.
Of course, the kids had no idea what was happening. They didn’t know who Jeff was, and the Total Goldstein Experience
The Total Goldstein Experience is a deathless phrase. And a great name for a band.
Like asking what a dog would do with a car if it ever caught one, it would be hilarious to ponder what a Sheehan-type would do if they ever got elected.
Sheehan is just angling for a slot on Elizabeth Warren’s cabinet as Secretary of Public Weeping.
I wasn’t looking to embarrass him. I just wanted him to know that one day he may run his mouth and have a brutal comeuppance visited upon him as a result.
He’s the worst kind of beta male. Having no talent, strength, looks, personality, or skills, he devolves into a sniveling little snotrag, taking potshots from safe distances, passively aggressively undermining anyone he envies (all alpha males and most other betas), and impotently jabbing your ankles with a dagger from his lowly position on the floor.
Some beta males decide to develop good character at a minimum, or go on to develop a skill, but not Scott Jacobs. Nope. He spends his miserable little existence pounding his chest and slurking [sic] around on Twitter.
Wotta guy. Gotta admire someone who’s cultivated within himself the soul of a jackal and the manners of a guttersnipe.
Being insulted by a Twit on Twitter is maddening enough, but I suspect that Jeff isn’t taking it personally so much as seething with frustration that such people exist and that they breathe our air.
That’s what angers me: not that I get insulted and my feeewings hut, but that people are so rotten.
The pragmatists have been trying to apply the Derbyshire Defenestration to Jeff for years, but the stubborn cuss refuses to go out of the window.
And then there is this.
The one thing that Twitter is really good at?
Wit aggregation.
I bring you #HipsterBooks
Jacobs is so tough he once blew e-cigarette vapors into a photograph of Mark Levin’s face.
The one thing that Twitter is really good at?
Wit aggregation.
I bring you #HipsterBooks
*uptwinkles*
Elizabeth Warren’s cabinet
Well, THAT sent a shiver down my spine.
Relating to the progressive’s feature.
Sustainable Animal Farm
I wrote that after “Down And Out In Paris And London And Berkeley And Austin.”
“It’s not about your rights in this case, it’s about the University policy that you can’t approach people,”
“…unless you are a sex worker or are canvassing for the LGBTQ rally and costume ball.”
Some cults are more equal than others.
(CNN)
…
Speaking Thursday at a meeting of the Middletown Rotary Club in his home congressional district in southwestern Ohio, an animated Boehner, talking about his colleagues on Capitol Hill, said “here’s the attitude: ‘Ohhhh, don’t make me do this. Ohhhh, this is too hard.’”
…
Reminding the audience that he’s been working for more than a year to convince fellow House Republicans to try and hammer out something on immigration reform, adding that “I’ve had every brick and bat and arrow shot at me over this issue just because I wanted to deal with it. I didn’t say it was going to be easy.”
Those bricks almost made Weepy John spill his cocktail and smear his man tan before it dried.
It strikes me that while the HI university students’ lawsuit is clearly a permissible response, even possibly a wise response, it is not a sufficient one, at least not sufficient regarding the rights they claim to themselves. Therefore, I think, they cannot refrain from absolutely refusing to submit to the administrative demands the University places upon them, but ought to continue with their perfectly reasonable behavior handing out copies of the Constitution wherever they may choose. Over and over again, if necessary, until such time as their rights are recognized by the powers at fault for misinterpreting them.
If the university is accepting ANY taxpayer money and is also on US soil, they are acting as a government actor, and as such, there is no such thing as a “free speech zone”. See also Amendments I and XIV.
(I don’t recall where I saw it, but it bears repeating: ‘The opposite of diversity? University.’ )
‘The opposite of diversity? University.’
I see that phrase all the time at Kate’s smalldeadanimals blog – it may be “hers”.
I believe I came up with “diversity is only skin deep” but, someone probably beat me to it.
Meanwhile, the NRA is fixin’ to make the gun-grabbers lose their minds with proposed legislation that would make it legal to carry arms across state lines.
Let the games begin!
Protein Wisdom – come for the intentionalism, stay for the Friday Night Fights!
Ima gonna get some popcorn.
Well it’s nice to know that the milquetoast son of a bitch finally found a hill he’s prepared to die on.
Let’s hope he succeeds.
In dying on it.
“Flatulent Meat Puppet”
I’m pretty sure that all of the Meat Puppets are flatulent.
Sadly they only had one radio breakout in my lifetime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-HFbNhTTKQ
The Coffee Sergeants are probably all flatulent too.
“…how little people like Harry Reid, Eric Holder, or Barrack Obama care about it.”
I have to say that, when I first parsed that phrase, I thought “little” was referring to the intellectual and moral stature of Reid, Holder, and Obama.