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Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, abridged 19 (Crawford edition)

Often times, the wisest means for passing another motorist is to do nothing and wait for her to get out of your way. 

102 Replies to “Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, abridged 19 (Crawford edition)”

  1. me says:

    Very wise, young Grasshopperstein.

  2. OHNOES says:

    I find it more effective to just break 80 mph and leave his slow butt in the dust, then drop to 50 right in front of him. If he hits me, it then becomes his fault anyway.

    Turing word: under, as in “Understand that I jest.”

  3. harrison says:

    It works until you figure out they’re actually parked.

  4. James OK says:

    I am way too obtuse to be on this site.

  5. Dan Rather says:

    Much like Natalie Holloway, Cindy Sheehan will soon occupy a space on the shelf labeled YESTERDAY’S NEWS.

    It really is amazing, though, that the MSM has continually resuscitated this story.

    TR: “way” as in “wayyyyyy too long!”

  6. TallDave says:

    Oh, I think Cindy Sheehan will be around until the troops start coming home, probably early 2007.

    And by then, I predict Democrats will be begging her to shut the fuck up already.  The MSM has been able to mostly avoid mentioning her actual words up till now, but that won’t last.

  7. B Moe says:

    From the Washington Monthly forum:

    “Sorry for OT but this is an interesting quote touching upon the Right Wing’s no-holds-barred assault on the Mom in Crawford:

    “It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor.”

    – Winston Churchill, 1930 “

    Yup, now she is Ghandi.

    (This was in the middle of a discussion of how the recently released State Dept. Intel. of ‘96 proves how wrong the Republicans were for not turning Clinton loose on Osama)

    I swear to God you couldn’t make this shit up.

    TW: think?

  8. I have read that book

    five times in the past ten years.

    I still don’t get it.

  9. gandhi says:

    Hilarious.

    The “anti-Semite” attack didn’t work, neither did the “left-wing STOOOOGE” crap.

    So now Plan C:

    … lets all be weally, weally quwiet till the damn woman goes away!

  10. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Yeah. I’m calling for silence. Except for all the essays I’ve been writing on this, that is.  Those don’t have to be silent.

    Now, the President, on the other hand…

  11. Sean M. says:

    Cindy Sheehan and “Ghandi” actually do have something in common…

  12. gandhi says:

    Let’s also be very, very quiet about Valerie Plame, Judith Miller, Karl Rove, John Ascroft, Scooter Libby, the latest polls, the federal deficit, gas prices, war dead, Iraqi civilian casualties, North Korea’s nuclear program, Iran’s nuclear program, the health system, global warming, electronic voting machines, Halliburton, Cheney, the Carlyle Group, Uzbequistan, the coup in Haiti, the failed coup in Venezuela, those new photos from Abu Ghraib, Gitmo detainees who still haven’t even been charged, the USA’s lost reputation, those WMD lies and the Downing Street Memo …. anything else???

  13. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Uh, JOOOOOOOOOOOS?

  14. OHNOES says:

    Protein Wisdom Unofficial Rules: Only Jeff may feed trolls. rasberry

  15. gandhi says:

    SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just coz a guy’s name is Ledeen doesn’t mean he an ultra-Zionist Likudnik!!!!!

  16. insomni says:

    Gandhi, those are your talking points. How silly of you to expect your ideological opponents to adopt them. Just as silly as Cindy Sheehan expecting to influence US foreign policy by camping out in a ditch.

  17. gandhi says:

    Three or four posts here and I’m already a “troll”??? That’s gotta be a record!

    Why are you people so afraid of dissenting voices?

    Is the harmony of the Unimind disturbed by any off-message comments?

    Or is is just that you are too lazy to make the effort to actually understand another person’s point of view before you slander them?

  18. B Moe says:

    You know when Fascists start cuddling up with Jews is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

    Swear to God.

  19. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Here’s a sample of what’s on the site Gandhi linked above:

    Thanks NewsWatcher — what a rogues gallery of Jews!

    and

    Remember, the Pentagon “outsources” much of its planning and analysis to private (unaccountable) firms, such as Booz Hamilton, where you will find a tribe of Israelis, including the former comptroller and 9/11 Mastermind planner Rabbi Dov Zakheim, hiding under the skirts of James Woolsey, former CIA director!

    But he’s not an anti-Semitic little fuck.  He just doesn’t trust Jews.

  20. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Or Papists.

  21. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Or any of the mud peoples.

  22. gandhi says:

    Here’s a sample of what’s on the site…

    Ri-i-i-i-ght….

    Obviously, this means that Jeffrey also takes complete responsibility for every comment posted on his blog.

    Including mine, I suppose.

    So by his own admission, Mr Goldstein is an anti-Semetic little Jew-hating fuck.

  23. Jeff Goldstein says:

    No, I’m a self-hating Jew chickenhawk.  You’re the anti-semitic fuck.

  24. mojo says:

    Back atcha, dickweed.

  25. OHNOES says:

    Naw, I just like calling people trolls to watch them go on their self-important “Oh, I’m so attacked for simply spreading an alternate opinion.” rants.

  26. gandhi says:

    At least we’re not talking about Cindy Sheehan, right?

  27. gandhi says:

    In case you have trouble accessing that link (it’s a pretty popular site these days), here’s a small part of what Cindy said today:

    “Another “big deal” today was the lie that I had said that Casey died for Israel. I never said that, I never wrote that. I had supposedly said it in a letter that I wrote to Ted Koppel’s producer in March. I wrote the letter because I was upset at the way Ted treated me when I appeared at a Nightline Town Hall meeting in January right after the inauguration. I felt that Ted had totally disrespected me. I wrote the letter to Ted Bettag and cc’d a copy to the person who gave me Ted’s address. I believe he changed the email and sent it out to capitalize on my new found notoriety by promoting his own agenda.”

    Obviously she must be lying… right Jeffrey?

  28. gandhi says:

    I mean, she MUST be lying!!! Because why on earth would anyone want to slander someone as a Jew-hater when there was no evidence to back it up…???

    Right, Jeffrey?

  29. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I don’t know.  You tell me.

  30. Jeff Goldstein says:

    And I don’t go by “Jeffrey.”

  31. Jeff Goldstein says:

    This is interesting, too.

    I take responsibility partly for my son’s death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bull***t to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: This country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause} We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant. {applause}

    Neocon agenda.  Cue foreboding music.

  32. OHNOES says:

    Lawyers are trash. But Lynne Stewart is scum AMONG LAWYERS! I cannot believe people can defend her.

  33. TallDave says:

    LOL Is this the same “gandhi” troll from ITM? He was quite entertaining there. 

    It’s fun to have a strawman like him to kick around.  Sometimes I think he’s actually Karl Rove trying to make the Left look silly.

  34. JWebb says:

    Gandhi with the Wind would be more appropriate.

  35. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Forgot to link this.

  36. TallDave says:

    You know, it’s almost eerie just how insane Sheehan has proved to be.  The Republicans couldn’t have picked a better anti-war icon if they tried.  Even Michael Moore wouldn’t say half the stuff she does; she practically makes him look like the sould of moderation and reason.

    In fact, it’s almost as though she were a plant…

    DAMN KARL ROVE AND HIS EVIL MIND CONTROL RAYS!!

  37. gandhi says:

    I don’t go by “Jeffrey.”

    and I’m not an anti-Semite.

    Let’s have a look at what Sheehan is alleged to have said that makes her so very, very anti-Semetic. From your own link, the passage is:

    Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.

    Sheehan denies writing this and says the words have been tampered with.  But even if she had written it, how does that make her an anti-Semite?

    Imagine if you will, that the Isreali government has spies in the USA. No really??? Couldn’t happen??? Please, stick with me…

    Now, what if an organisation like AIPAC was being used by these Israeli government spies to influence US government decision making. I mean, what if it was???

    And if a person pointed out that this was happening, would that make them an anti-Semite?

    I mean, does opposing Israeli government policies and agendas make you an anti-Semite? I guess that’s what I’m really asking.

    Similarly, if you don’t want to go there (and why would you want to enter that minefield) does criticism of the Bush administration make you anti-American?

    Over to you, Jeffrey…

  38. TallDave says:

    I love seeing Dems defend Sheehan’s insanity.  It’s like watching rightwingers defend David Duke.

  39. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Gandhi’s been banned.  I told him not to call me “Jeffrey.” He didn’t comply.

  40. OHNOES says:

    OMG CABAL

    You know, if the Israelis were so prevalent, they’d be able to stop crap like this.

    Turing word: after, as in “After the UN building burns to the ground, I would like very much to urinate on the corpses of the scumbags within.”

  41. OHNOES says:

    Awww, Jeff, now he’ll go whine to the DU about how he stood up to those eeeevil conservatives about how we ignored all his “logical arguments” and only attacked him personally.

  42. Jeff Goldstein says:

    OMG CABAL

    You know, if the Israelis were so prevalent, they’d be able to stop crap like this.

    Yes, but that keeps them as perpetual victims. Part of their invidious plan for world sympathy.  Which they’ve been simply MASTERFUL at garnering.

  43. OHNOES says:

    The Israelis or the DUmmies?

  44. OHNOES says:

    OMG NINJA EDIT

  45. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Okay, I’ve removed the ban.  To answer Gandhi’s question, calling for the dissolution of the Jewish State (“Israel out of Palestine”, etc, with Palestine understood by the groups she’s aligned herself with as encompassing Israel) is a pretty clear indication you’ve pitted yourself against the Jews.

    But opposing Israeli policies or “agendas” doesn’t make you anti-semite.  In fact, they have a democracy, so its fair to say there are many Israelis who oppose certain policies.

    Oh. And I’m the mole.  The mole is I.

  46. gandhi says:

    Err….

    Let me get this straight…

    You think demanding “Israel out of Palestine” is the same thing as “calling for the dissolution of the Jewish State”?

  47. jaed says:

    Well, yes. (Clue: take a look at a PA map and see what they call “Palestine”. It isn’t “the West Bank and Gaza”, is it? “Palestine” is defined as the entire territory of the Mandate that was left after the British carved off three-quarters of it as Transjordan.)

    “if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada.”

    If I hadn’t already suspected that she’s reliving Vietnam (and very fuzzy about the fact that this isn’t it), that remark would cement it. How would “taking him to Canada” have prevented him from enlisting in the first place, or from re-enlisting at the end of his commitment? He was a grown man and a volunteer. “Canada” was where you went during Vietnam to avoid being drafted. These days, if you don’t want to be in the Army you simply don’t walk into a recruiting station and enlist. Whether you’re in Canada has no protective value at all.

    (I won’t even get into the image of a mother “taking” her 24-year-old son to another country against his will; it’s been clear for a while now that she didn’t and doesn’t present him as an adult.)

  48. gandhi says:

    Guilt by association.

    Scratch the surface of a Jewish Bush-lover and find another Zionist.

    Quelle surprise!!!

  49. jaed says:

    I should expand on that first remark. I’m quite sure there are people who think of “Palestine” as “the West Bank and Gaza”, and who can therefore call for “Israel out of Palestine” without consciously advocating the complete destruction of Israel.

    I do not, however, think there are any people who are paying attention who can utter that slogan without consciously et cetera. (People who are paying attention would be far more likely to say “Israel out of the West Bank and Gaza” – assuming they did not, in fact, wish to call for the complete destruction of Israel.) It reminds me of the slogan “US Out of North America”, except of course that the Israel one is far more likely to come true, hence more vicious.

  50. jaed says:

    “gandhi”, who (as it happens) is mistaken about my ethnicity, slipped in. (You forgot to call me a “Likudnik”, however. Minus points for you!)

    Sorry, Jeff. I feel I’m treading on your prerogatives at this point and will therefore cease the feeding.

  51. Jeff Goldstein says:

    No worries, jaed.  Gandhi probably sees Jews in his breakfast cereal, plotting to steal all the crunchberries.

  52. Chris says:

    “if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada.”

    Which, when taking Casey’s re-enlistment into account, is pretty much proof that he enlisted to get away from his crazy, controlling, narcissistic mother.

  53. Sean M. says:

    Gandhi probably sees Jews in his breakfast cereal…

    AlphaBits say the craziest things!

  54. Robert says:

    Jewish Bush-lover

    Hey, now.  Most of the Joooos are bush lovers.  What, like 90, 95 percent, depending on how you count it.

  55. gandhi says:

    You should have stuck with the ban, Jeffrey.

    I once at gefilte fish, but beyond that, I’d hardly call this a “Jewish-run blog,” except in the strictest empirical sense.

    What a hypocrite! You slander me as an anti-Semite because I implied that your Jewish surname might have anything to do with your politics.

    Then you slander Cindy Sheehan as an anti-Semite because you think she is (closely?) associated with groups which you consider anti-Semetic.

    And you base this on your opinion that any such groups calling for “Israel out of Palestine” are also anti-Semetic!

    I guess that makes Generallisimo El Sharon an anti-Semite, since he is pulling Jews out of Gaza, right?

    So now that we know you’re really a Zionist, tell us… are you on the BushCo neocon payroll or not?

  56. Steve in Houston says:

    Please bring the ban back.

    The ban was our friend.

  57. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I don’t “think” she is closely associated with these groups; she is.  And I’ve used her own words to make my decision about how she feels re Israel—and I’ve linked to those words on numerous occasions.

    You want to crouch down here and try to play rhetorical gotcha, have at it.  But you aren’t persuading anyone, and you’re not acquitting yourself particularly well.  In fact, you sound quite insane.  And anti-semitic.

    As for me being a “Zionist,” if that means I support the right of the Jewish state to exist, count me in.  But other than that, the only stake I have in the matter is that Israel is a democracy in a cesspool of autocracies, and I support democracies on principle.

  58. mph says:

    I thought this was a post about motorcycle maintenance. All of the comments seem to be about jooos.

    Personally, I’m glad you unbanned the stupid little fuck.  The best way to make someone like that look stupid is to let them speak his mind.

  59. mph says:

    Er, um, “him”, not “them”.  Speaking of stupid fucks…

  60. mph says:

    Oh, I almost forgot:

    Mmmm.  Crunchberries.

  61. gandhi says:

    I support democracies on principle.

    VIVA LA DEMOCRACIA!!!

    VAMOS CON SUPREME LEADER VOLTRON!!!

    ANY ELECTION IS A GOOD ERECTION!!!

    comments copyright Direct Impact Marketing Inc

  62. Lydia says:

    I wrote the letter to Ted Bettag and cc’d a copy to the person who gave me Ted’s address.

    Then she also wrote to a guy named Tony Tersch, and cc’d a whole bunch of others as well.

    Letter to nightline.

    I wonder if Tony still has the original.

    BTW, she wrote Tony another email, on Mar 21, highlighting some stories about Casey. She didn’t object to the letter that was posted on the forum.. not even once. Cindy’s second email.

    Hmmmm… hmmm

  63. me says:

    Can I be a stupid fuck too? Please, please!!!

  64. me says:

    Question: Why did my son have to die?

    Answer: He proudly was fighting for a cause he evidently thought was worth fighting for. Can I help pack up your things?

  65. Lydia says:

    Oops, my bad.

    She wrote another email and forwarded it to Tony, as one her “Dear Friends”, on April 7. So she still had no objections at that point to the letter being posted on his forum.

    I call bullshit, Cindy.

  66. me says:

    Welcome to the stupid fuck club!!! tongue wink

  67. Jeff Goldstein says:

    For somebody who doesn’t want to be called an anti-semite, gandhi sure does make a lot of fuss over my name.

    And all that “scratch the surface” stuff—is that supposed to imply that I’ve been keeping my support for the state of Israel a secret?  Why wouldn’t I support a functioning democracy in the middle east?  What American wouldn’t?

    But then, I must be hiding something.  I’m a Jew.  And we’re sneaky and duplicitous and scheming.  Our loyalties are suspect.  Scratch the surface of an American Jew, find a sneaky Kike who may just be spying on this country for Israel.

    And I’ve been OUTED.  I’m now on gandhi’s LIST.

    But don’t you dare call him an anti-semite….

  68. TallDave says:

    Hippies to the left of me

    Fascists to the right

    Here I am

    Stuck in the middle with you

  69. Lydia says:

    This is fun.

    Yet another letter, in which Tony is included, on Apr 30. Still no objections.

    Check this quote:

    There has always been excuses for wars, but NONE of them have been good or valid.

    Wha???? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, woman. WWII wasn’t valid?

    BTW, thanks for cleaning up my mess, Jeff.

  70. mojo says:

    How do you copyright a public statement, ya stupid fuck?

  71. Lydia says:

    (Un)welcome to ghandi’s hit list, Jeff. You know all the people who post on DU? They’re swimming in ghandi’s head.

    Another email from Cindy. Still no objections.

    Yes, I need a life.

  72. Fred says:

    Seriously, though.  Part of me believes…has to believe, really, that people like “ghandi” are just having us on.  Adolescents with no real political agenda other than “trangressing the consensus” or some shit.

    They can’t really mean this stuff, I mean, like, seriously, and all.  Can they?  No one is that addled, right?

  73. jaed says:

    Hmmm. “gandhi” thinks Iraqis speak Spanish. I guess all wogs look the same, eh?

    (I’ll stop now. Honest. I can eat just one.)

    BECAUSE OF THE CRUNCHBERRIES, damn it!!!

  74. David R. Block says:

    Somehow this gandhi doesn’t seem very much like the Gandhi who made the name famous. Too much preoccupation with JOOOS and not enough HINDOOOO.

  75. TallDave says:

    Seriously, though.  Part of me believes…has to believe, really, that people like “ghandi” are just having us on.

    For a while, I thought so too.  Eventually, though, after months of reading their insanity, I realized there could only be one explanation for their behavior: Karl Rove has used his evil mind control rays to make them act crazy, thus forcing the sane portion of the electorate to vote Republican.

    Evil bastard.

  76. Sean M. says:

    Wha???? Jesus Tapdancing Christ, woman. WWII wasn’t valid?

    Well, you know, all them filthy, scheming Hebes (the ones who weren’t “high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich,” anyway ) did end up in “Palestine” after the war, so it was sort of a mixed bag at the very least, y’know?

  77. B Moe says:

    “You think demanding “Israel out of Palestine” is the same thing as “calling for the dissolution of the Jewish State”?”

    Unbelievable.  If I were going to raise hell about freeing Palestine I think I would at least try to figure out where the fuck it was.

    I have trouble sleeping at night sometimes when I think how many caterwauling idiots are influencing public opinion and policy in this country.

  78. Hey, someone help me out with this.  ‘ghandi’ has a blog.  On that blog he has an email.  That email goes to a .au address.  Ghandi are you really in Australia?  If so, what the hell is your interest in a uniquely American issue?

    Are you an expat?  If so, why? 

    What are we doing wrong here that is so bad you don’t want to come here and be part of the solution instead of just a whiny little bitch from afar?

    What gives little fella?

    Jeff- I’m sorry for feeding your troll.  If it makes you feel better, gail put up a rock garden labyrinth maze I made for you over at her place.

  79. Trolls like Ghandi above amuse me because they just can’t resist out and out lying.  It goes hand in hand with the anti-semitism naturally.

    Look at his list of grievances above, he includes such blatant inventions as references to electronic voting machines, whining about the deficit ( evidently ignorant of the fact that this year’s deficit is below even last year’s projections because of the strong economy ) and conspiracy nutjob memes like the Carlyle Group.

    Sheehan and her fans are universally unhinged.

  80. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Man. I finally get a mention in the Weekly Standard, and it comes with this disclaimer:

    (Note: Before you send emails noting that some of these center-right folks sometimes–or in Jeff Goldstein’s case, pretty much every day–use vulgar and profane humor, let me assure you that I know that. But as a group, they are not addicted to it, and some use it not at all or very sparingly.)

    Moi?  “Vulgar?” Profane, yes, on occasion.  But vulgar?

    I PROTEST!

    HUGH HEWITT HAS LIBELED ME!

    Or not.  Fuck.

  81. alex says:

    Well, prairie biker. . .

    I recall reading several letters-to-the-editor from convicted felons in a Maoist rag I found lying around the hallowed halls of my alma mater a few years ago.

    (In this journal I learned, among other things, that although gay people only exist among the ‘petit bourgeoisie’, the good Maoist still cannot in good conscience condone the demonization of homosexuals. Ah, the tolerant extreme left.)

    I think it’s as good an explanation as any of a penchant for making long, tedious blacklists and inventing elaborate alternate histories–it’s like collecting bottlecaps or marking off the days on the wall with chalk.

  82. Ian Wood says:

    Say…wasn’t this post about motorcycles or something?

  83. Gamer says:

    Oh, brother. Its absolutely amazing that we can have out-sourced security firms that are controlled by Israel running our national defense, yet it is entirely inconceivable that three of the four 9/11 cell leaders met with Iraqi Intelligence in Germany.

    Getting to where you can’t even have one set of standards for your conspiracies.  cool mad

  84. Ian – Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance isn’t even about motorcycles.

  85. RDub says:

    Lydia: nice catch.

  86. gandhi says:

    This just in:

    The second-highest diplomat at the United States Embassy in Baghdad is one of the anonymous government officials cited in an Aug. 4 indictment as having provided classified information to an employee of a pro-Israel lobbying group…

    In early 2002, USGO-2 (aka David M. Satterfield) discussed secret national security matters in two meetings with Steven J. Rosen, who has since been dismissed as a top lobbyist for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, known as Aipac, who has been charged in the case.

    Those DAMNED ANTI-SEMITE NYT journos!!!!

  87. gandhi says:

    Hey, you guys made the news today as well! Congratulations – you are making the news, not just crapping on about it! Whoo freakin whoo!!!

    The rapidly dwindling minority of Americans who continue to search for some rationale for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq has been driven to the brink of breakdown by the success of Sheehan’s protest. Go to the website of William F. Buckley’s National Review magazine and you will find Sheehan described in headlines as “nutty,” dismissed by columnists as “the mouthpiece… of howling-at-the-moon, bile-spewing Bush haters” and accused of “sucking up intellectual air” that, presumably, would be better utilized by Condoleezza Rice explaining once more that it would be wrong to read too much into the August 6, 2001, briefing document that declared: “Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.” Human Events, the conservative weekly newspaper, dismisses Sheehan as a “professional griever” who “can claim to be in perpetual mourning for her fallen son”—as if there is some time limit on maternal sorrow over the death of a child.

    Fox News Channel spinner-in-chief Bill O’Reilly accuses Sheehan of being “in bed with the radical left,” including—horrors!—“9-11 families” that are still seeking answers about whether, in the first months of 2001, the Bush administration was more focused on finding excuses to attack Iraq than on protecting Americans from terrorism. And Rush Limbaugh was on the radio the other day ranting about how, “(Sheehan’s) story is nothing more than forged documents. There’s nothing about it that’s real…” (Just to clarify for Limbaugh listeners: Cindy Sheehan’s 24-year-old son Casey really did die in Iraq, and his mother really would like to talk with President Bush about all those claims regarding WMDs and al-Qaida ties that the administration used to peddle the “case” for war.)

    The pro-war pundits who continue to defend the occupation of Iraq are freaked out by the fact that a grieving mother is calling into question their claim that the only way to “support the troops” is by keeping them in the frontlines of George W. Bush’s failed experiment. Bush backers are horrified that Sheehan’s sincere and patriotic anti-war voice has captured the nation’s attention.

    What the pro-war crowd does not understand is that Cindy Sheehan is not inspiring opposition to the occupation. She is merely putting a face on the mainstream sentiments of a country that has stopped believing the president’s promises with regard to Iraq. According to the latest Newsweek poll, 61 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush’s handing of the war, while just 26 percent support the president’s argument that large numbers of U.S. military personnel should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes to achieve the administration’s goals there.

    The supporters of this war have run out of convincing lies and effective emotional appeals. Now, they are reduced to attacking the grieving mothers of dead soldiers. Samuel Johnson suggested that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. But, with their attacks on Cindy Sheehan, the apologists for George Bush’s infamy have found a new and darker refuge.

    That’s you guys right there, the “26 percent”!! Whoo hoo!!!

  88. OHNOES says:

    Okay. I’m not gonna rebutt tonight, but I just wanna say, gandhi, that’s funny. You get a “funny” sticker from me for the effort.

  89. Jeff Goldstein says:

    THE WHOLE ZIONIST CONSPIRACY IS UNRAVELING!  QUICK, TO THE JEW CAVE, BLINTZMAN!

  90. MisterPundit says:

    That’s you guys right there, the “26 percent”!! Whoo hoo!!!

    Ummm… The same poll found that only 12% wanted the troops to be brought home immediately. I guess that would be your guys. Anyway, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that most people would like to see the troops come home sooner rather than later. That includes, I suspect, most people here. That doesn’t mean we don’t support the mission. Far from it.

    It is unlikely Bush will offer up any firm dates because it will be a strategic mistake to do so (not to mention if any dates are missed – if only by a day – immature pricks like yourself will point to it as a “failure”). Be that as it may, I believe we will see troop reductions early next year, and I think that is more or less what most people are expecting as well.

  91. AWG says:

    Let’s also be very, very quiet about [snipped long list of worn-out moonbat talking points]…. anything else???

    Yeah, your mom!

    OOOOOOOOH, BURNSAUCE!!!

  92. Hey ghandi – I asked you some questions up above.  I really do think you should answer them.

    with a .au email are you even an American?  If not, what’s your stake here? 

    I’m not even gonna touch your points until you show that somehow you have standing in this debate.

  93. Patrick says:

    Jeff,

    Since the kabal is unraveling, shouldn’t we go on “lox-down”?

    I crack myself up some times…

  94. Matt says:

    Is it my imagination or has the skinny hindu-troll failed to actually address anybody’s points ?  I mean, I can post random links all day to support my own position but god forbid mr gahndi engages in any type of intellectual discourse.

  95. More interestingly, Matt, he’s been shown to be misrepresenting his own evidence.

    As I said, the loony Left are brazen but incompetent liars.

  96. MisterPundit says:

    As I said, the loony Left are brazen but incompetent liars.

    They also co-op the honor and integrity of others far better than them for their own selfish gain.

    Meanwhile, here’s another mother who lost her son, and has something to say :

    Marine’s mother: Support the fight

    Notice the complete absence of hate? Instead, she offers a message of hope, and courage. If this mother doesn’t get exactly the same attention as Cindy “It’s The Jews” Sheehan, then the media would have proved once and for all that they have an agenda, and that agenda does not include victory in Iraq.

  97. Wadard says:

    Hey, someone help me out with this.  ‘ghandi’ has a blog.  On that blog he has an email.  That email goes to a .au address.  Ghandi are you really in Australia?  If so, what the hell is your interest in a uniquely American issue?


    Maybe I can big fella. I am Australian in Australia too and have an interest in this so-called ‘unique American’ issue. In case you don’t remember, you pussies needed a couple of buddies to go in with you before you would jump Iraq. Your leaders felt you people unable to stomach a one-on-one for whatever reason. So here we all are big boy. Valid like, and armed with opinions.

    I hope you don’t have a problem with that. wink

    Are you an expat?  If so, why? 


    They are the best ones smile Give me a hard question.

    What are we doing wrong here that is so bad you don’t want to come here and be part of the solution instead of just a whiny little bitch from afar?


    Now, I am going to be nice to you and help you out with something you clearly need to understand. Prairie Biker, you know if you want to serve your country the rule for you is just “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” There is absolutely no need to butch it up like that. In fact, just DON’T. With you it’s a dead give-away.



    I am glad I have been useful. When you are civil, I will answer more questions.

  98. TomB says:

    Wadard, why are you answering Ghandi’s questions?

  99. MisterPundit says:

    Mmmm… remember that stupid Jihadis-R-Us video a few weeks ago that featured some mentally handicapped Australian pointing his snot-encrusted finger at the camera, shouting all sorts of fall-down funny shit? I think we found him.

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