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NSA: You know it has to be really, really bad … [Darleen Click]

… to have the New York Times dragged kicking and screaming to run an article on A1 about NSA gathering the CONTENTS of emails and text messages:

The N.S.A. is not just intercepting the communications of Americans who are in direct contact with foreigners targeted overseas, a practice that government officials have openly acknowledged. It is also casting a far wider net for people who cite information linked to those foreigners, like a little used e-mail address, according to a senior intelligence official.

While it has long been known that the agency conducts extensive computer searches of data it vacuums up overseas, that it is systematically searching — without warrants — through the contents of Americans’ communications that cross the border reveals more about the scale of its secret operations. […]

Hints of the surveillance appeared in a set of rules, leaked by Mr. Snowden, for how the N.S.A. may carry out the 2008 FISA law. One paragraph mentions that the agency “seeks to acquire communications about the target that are not to or from the target.” The pages were posted online by the newspaper The Guardian on June 20, but the telltale paragraph, the only rule marked “Top Secret” amid 18 pages of restrictions, went largely overlooked amid other disclosures. […]

The official said that a computer searches the data for the identifying keywords or other “selectors” and stores those that match so that human analysts could later examine them. The remaining communications, the official said, are deleted; the entire process takes “a small number of seconds,” and the system has no ability to perform “retrospective searching.”

The official said the keyword and other terms were “very precise” to minimize the number of innocent American communications that were flagged by the program. At the same time, the official acknowledged that there had been times when changes by telecommunications providers or in the technology had led to inadvertent overcollection. The N.S.A. monitors for these problems, fixes them and reports such incidents to its overseers in the government, the official said. […]

The senior intelligence official argued, however, that it would be inaccurate to portray the N.S.A. as engaging in “bulk collection” of the contents of communications. “ ‘Bulk collection’ is when we collect and retain for some period of time that lets us do retrospective analysis,” the official said. “In this case, we do not do that, so we do not consider this ‘bulk collection.’ ”

Oky doky, so let me get this straight. It is as if the police can walk through any neighborhood, let themselves into the homes when no one is there, take a quick look around, and if they see nothing and are out in a short period of time, no harm no foul, right?

I mean, it is not like it’s a real search-search.

If you haven’t done anything wrong, why worry?

Indeed.

26 Replies to “NSA: You know it has to be really, really bad … [Darleen Click]”

  1. sdferr says:

    Tagging the problem with “NSA” as in “NSA scandal” is a damn shame, since the problem isn’t the NSA but the usurpation of the Constitution of the US by politicians and political parties who don’t give a damn about preserving that lovely instrument with its attendant checks and balances, but wish to see to the utter abandonment of it — for the sake of their own power.

    The architecture of the Constitution, if faithfully followed, is made precisely to prevent our temporary politicians from turning the necessarily powerful tools and agencies of national security inward on the political behavior of the people of the nation. The problem is the miscreants put in power by the erroneous choices of the majority of voters, who may now pay for their mistake with the pains they can expect from a surveillance state, and who even now don’t recognize their foolishness but blame the wrong cause instead. I spit on such as these.

  2. BigBangHunter says:

    – sdferr, if the political apparatus of the country allows politico’s to esentially ignore the Constituytional safegaurds, and the voters are such low info morons, then they deserve exactly what they’re getting.

    – Sorry, I gave up having any sympathy for the bullshit electorate a long time ago. Even if you’re of a mind to sympathize its a waste of time. The only way it will change is when things get so bad the idiots can’t hide from it any more.

    – That is the only way anything ever changes. When the oxe gets gored.

  3. happyfeet says:

    piggy piggy NSA spyfags spend money like hip hop stars and NFL thugs

    spend spend spend

    spy spy spy

    The rest of us don’t get shit out of this deal.

    God bless Mr. Snowden but the bestest thing he did was reintroduce the idea that there are principled politicians on the opposite side of the spectrum. Socialists and staunch conservatives alike can look at a Wyden or a Randpaul and say oh wow there’s for reals principled people on the other side what respect freedom and love America.

    That whole concept had disappeared for many many years.

    Thank you Edward.

  4. geoffb says:

    NSA is also part of the DEA-SOD [let’s fake up the evidence] program.

    Details of a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration program that feeds tips to federal agents and then instructs them to alter the investigative trail were published in a manual used by agents of the Internal Revenue Service for two years.

    The practice of recreating the investigative trail, highly criticized by former prosecutors and defense lawyers
    […]
    A 350-word entry in the Internal Revenue Manual instructed agents of the U.S. tax agency to omit any reference to tips supplied by the DEA’s Special Operations Division, especially from affidavits, court proceedings or investigative files. The entry was published and posted online in 2005 and 2006, and was removed in early 2007. The IRS is among two dozen arms of the government working with the Special Operations Division, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.

    Re-creating a new reality for public consumption is very popular, fun, and easy to do with professional guidelines. By Any Means Necessary.

  5. cranky-d says:

    If you gather information, you will have a strong temptation to use it.

  6. happyfeet says:

    an old dirt road is what the piggy piggy NSA spyfags is missing

    self-important cocksuckers

    no wonder Meghan’s coward daddy has a stumpy lil geriatric hardon for them

  7. newrouter says:

    so massive civil disobedience begins with declaring oneself amish. if the fed gov’t tries to define it johnroberts will say it is a tax. thanx w.

  8. newrouter says:

    “The exemption originally appeared in the tax code as an exemption to self-employment income tax. The group commonly associated with this exemption is the Amish, who historically have objected to participation in social service programs because their religious beliefs require their care to be provided within their own community.

    “However, the exemption was not written to apply only to that group. Despite some media reports that certain religious groups are specifically exempted from the requirement, the exemption is broadly worded and there is no list of particular religions that automatically qualify for exemption. Rather, any member of any religious organization with the beliefs described may claim the exemption if they can show that their beliefs fit the criteria of the exemption.”

    Snyder said he understands that those groups that were exempted from Social Security when it was created in 1965 are also exempt from the insurance mandate.

    It is unclear whether all Mennonites will be exempt.

    “Some Mennonites are not exempt from Social Security, but they do practice community sharing,” he said.

    There still are many unknowns about the Affordable Care Act, because the rules won’t be fully written until 2014.

    “We have to wait until the rules are written,” Snyder said.

    link

    The Sex Pistols – Anarchy in U.K

  9. leigh says:

    Obamacare is DOA. It’s just a matter of time until it’s unwound. Yeah, yeah: It’s law. So? Congress and all the civilian employees are exempt. There has to be a procedural strike or massive non-compliance to come.

  10. BigBangHunter says:

    Snyder said he understands that those groups that were exempted from Social Security when it was created in 1965 are also exempt from the insurance mandate.

    – The exemption was created in 65 not SS. Poor writing.

  11. happyfeet says:

    obamacare is supposedto fail catastrophically to where we have no choice but to create special food stamps for healthcares

  12. happyfeet says:

    supposed to

  13. BigBangHunter says:

    It’s law.

    – Lack of Congressional funding, continuous modifications that stall any actual application, or simply non-enforcement.

    – Any of the three can kill any law. Bumblefuck has already done a slew of exceptions and stalling dates for enactments to the point where the other two road blocks may not matter.

    – Roberts bullshit not withstanding, the law is unconstitutional from multiple aspects, and will be challenged endlessly, even if by some miracle it actually gets into operation.

    – Just for starters both private and public sector Unions are already mumbling loudly.

  14. leigh says:

    BBH, Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and a couple of other big underwriters just opted out today.

    We’re broke, happy. Single-payer isn’t going to happen.

  15. BigBangHunter says:

    – Well Leigh, Obama’s magic economists have convinced themselves they don’t want or need any stinking insurance companies, so for them thats a feature, not a bug.

    – That 3 trillion a year of medical coverage (medical social security) is the socialists wet dream. All they have to do is keep printing money and poof!, its funded, just like that.

    – Then one day the FED does a treasury bond sale and no one buys them, and then it all comes apart at the seams.

    – After the civil collapse future generations of post- moron moron voters will say “Well wtf…..who was dumb enough to believe you can produce wealth out of thin air.”

    – Mirrors will be outlawed for a time.

  16. leigh says:

    Yeah. *Poof* we’re Zimbabwe.

  17. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Nah. There’s plenty of money that the govenment doesn’t have yet. Keith Ellison says so.

  18. newrouter says:

    =
    One legislator accused me of having a nineteenth-century attitude on law and order. That is a totally false charge. I have an eighteenth-century attitude. That is when the Founding Fathers made it clear that the safety of law-abiding citizens should be one of the government’s primary concerns.
    Address to the Republican State Central Committee Convention, (7 September 1973)=

    link

  19. cranky-d says:

    As Mark Levin noted, everyone said Medicare was unworkable and would die, and look where we are now.

  20. newrouter says:

    rust never sleeps

    [T]he lesson plan on the Boston Tea Party depicts it as “a local militia, believed to be a terrorist organization, attacked the property of private citizens today at our nation’s busiest port. Although no one was injured in the attack, a large quantity of merchandise, considered to be valuable to its owners and loathsome to the perpetrators, was destroyed. The terrorists, dressed in disguise and apparently intoxicated, were able to escape into the night with the help of local citizens who harbor these fugitives and conceal their identities from the authorities.”

    link

  21. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The lesson plan leaves out the best part: the local terrorist militia dressed up like a feared and hated minority in order to deflect blame and stoke hate.

  22. newrouter says:

    ridiculed and unmasked publically. Those who do so flagrantly
    break the rules and must be punished and made to see reason. If
    they do so continually as a matter of principle, they exclude themselves
    from the game. Unfortunately, because they are involuntary
    partners, they cannot leave the field on their own and thereby hinder
    those who are still playing; this would be to ruin the game far more
    completely than any external observer or prejudiced onlooker could
    ever do. This is essentially the situation of the dissident in real
    socialism. The only way the regime can save the game is to compel
    the dissidents to leave the field, to silence them. There is too much at
    stake to tolerate their disruptions.
    In most cases the nation is aware of what is going on, or at least it
    suspects the truth. Beyond that, it is inherently sceptical about realsocialist
    ideology and suspects it of impure motives and objectives.
    Yet people continue to play the game of as ifand keep their reservations
    to themselves. They have grown accustomed to the confusion
    of concepts and the relativity of moral values. Not only that, they
    have been able to turn this weapon of real-socialist ideology to their
    own advantage. With its help, they ideologize their own behaviour
    vis-a-vis the regime and justify their way of life within the context of
    the harsh reality. People do not steal from the co-operatives, they
    merely take what belongs to everyone; they do not steal from the
    state sector, but merely bring their living standard up to the mark;
    they do not exploit patronage, but merely make use of their socialist
    acquaintances; they do not spread slander but rather criticize
    mistakes, and they are not criticized for mistakes but rather slandered;
    they do not take bribes, but merely receive small tokens of
    gratitude; they do not proffer bribes, but merely express

    havel @ page 165 potp

  23. George Orwell says:

    As Mark Levin noted, everyone said Medicare was unworkable and would die, and look where we are now.

    John Roberts took this house of cards and made it a concrete bunker.

    As for NSA overreach, perhaps far too much of this stuff may actually have legal precedent. If so it’s the biggest case of “give them an inch and they’ll take a light-year.” Like so much in the Nation Below Canada, state power has been insanely broad but forebearance in the past hid its extent. Not much forebearance in this crew. Bush wasn’t much better.

  24. palaeomerus says:

    “leigh says August 8, 2013 at 10:05 pm
    Yeah. *Poof* we’re Zimbabwe. ”

    Nope. Zimbabwe got lots of aid to prop them up as they fell. Nobody will aid us.

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