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American Patriot files: “Montana AG denies all media requests to ID those with concealed carry weapons permits”

Somebody out there in Big Sky country should buy this dude a steak and a beer:

Montana’s Attorney General Tim Fox has taken a stand against revealing the identities of concealed weapon permit holders.

All 50 states now have laws permitting qualified individuals to own and carry concealed firearms. But emotions have flared over identifying all those as a class.

A firestorm of controversy erupted last winter when a suburban New York newspaper, citing the public’s right to know, published the names and addresses of all licensed handgun owners in Rockland and Westchester counties.

Its coverage, in the aftermath of the Newtown, Conn. school shootings, included an interactive map allowing online readers to zoom in and see each individual holder and their address.

“One of our roles,” said Janet Hasson, president of the Journal News Media Group, “is to report publicly available information on timely issues, even when unpopular.”

Gun rights advocates oppose such publication, alleging it treats law-abiding citizens as criminals, much like convicted sex offenders whose addresses are widely published. In light of the New York case, in fact, the Louisiana legislature earlier this summer enacted legislation making it a crime to publish the name of a concealed weapon permitee.

And, they claim, listing those with legal possession of firearms aids criminals by identifying those with weapons — and, by omission, those without such self-defense protection.

Montana’s AG Fox, a Republican, said he had received numerous requests recently, mainly from media, for the names and addresses of those legally authorized to carry concealed weapons in that vast Western state. The requests sought all available information on the permit holder, including date of birth, employer, Social Security and state driver’s license number.

In a legal memo, Fox came down on the side of denying all those requests, ruling “that the privacy of permit holders exceeds the public’s right to know.”

“After careful consideration and research of the requests,” Fox’s memo said, “it is the opinion of this Office that broad dissemination of CWP (Concealed Weapon Permit) status and application information would unnecessarily invade the privacy of individuals in violation of the Montana Constitution.”

“When a Montanan fills out a Concealed Weapons Permit application,” Fox elaborated in an email, “he or she has an expectation that the information on that application is confidential. Moreover, whether it’s a battered woman trying to protect herself, or someone who wants to defend his family and home from intruders, releasing their identities would be both irresponsible and incongruous with protecting public safety.

“These are law-abiding citizens exercising an extension of their rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and under the Montana Constitution.”

[…]

Rules regarding carrying concealed weapons vary by state. But Fox’s decision is in line with most. The only state that specifically makes concealed weapons information public knowledge is believed to be Nevada. […].

And with this, a litmus test for state Attorneys General should be born.

Kind of like the super-dooper precedent for conservative SCOTUS nominees, if you will.  Only, without the intentional killing of babies to add some spice to the sauce.

19 Replies to “American Patriot files: “Montana AG denies all media requests to ID those with concealed carry weapons permits””

  1. geoffb says:

    AP is behind this and I expect they are working to get this in every State that has CCW.

  2. eCurmudgeon says:

    Somebody out there in Big Sky country should buy this dude a steak and a beer

    For doing his job?

    Not to belittle Mr. Fox in any way, but I think his telling the AP to go pound sand is seen as a big deal does not reflect well on the future of the republic…

  3. sdferr says:

    Seems like buying Mr. Fox a steak and beer is a coals to Newcastle kind of endeavor? Maybe fly him in some fresh oysters or blue crab, and a cold bottle of good aquavit?

  4. bgbear says:

    How about a list of everyone who has no firearm records at all?

  5. In a true America that would be everyone, armed or not.

  6. Since when are Social Security numbers public information?

  7. Slartibartfast says:

    Good point, Charles.

    Wikipedia sez:

    The SSN is frequently used by those involved in identity theft, since it is interconnected with so many other forms of identification, and because people asking for it treat it as an authenticator. The SSN is generally required by financial institutions to set up bank accounts, credit cards, and obtain loans, partly because it is assumed that no one except the person to whom it was issued will know it.

    Exacerbating the problem of using the social security number as an identifier is the fact that the social security card contains no biometric identifiers of any sort, making it essentially impossible to tell whether a person using a certain SSN is truly the person to whom it was issued without relying on some other means of documentation (which may itself have been falsely procured through use of the fraudulent SSN). Congress has proposed federal laws that will restrict the use of SSNs for identification and ban their use for a number of commercial purposes, e.g. rental applications.[

    So.

  8. Slartibartfast says:

    Oh. Also:

    The U.S. government used the term “personally identifiable” in 2007 in a memorandum from the Executive Office of the President, Office of Management and Budget (OMB),[12] and that usage now appears in US standards such as the NIST Guide to Protecting the Confidentiality of Personally Identifiable Information (SP 800-122).[5] The OMB memorandum defines PII as follows:

    Information which can be used to distinguish or trace an individual’s identity, such as their name, social security number, biometric records, etc. alone, or when combined with other personal or identifying information which is linked or linkable to a specific individual, such as date and place of birth, mother’s maiden name, etc.

    Bold added by me.

  9. Scott Hinckley says:

    So if a person’s name is “personally identifiable information”, doesn’t that imply that a person’s name cannot be released, even including such things as news reports or arrests?

  10. Libby says:

    ““One of our roles,” said Janet Hasson, president of the Journal News Media Group, “is to report publicly available information on timely issues, even when unpopular.”

    Great! Let’s start with posting information on her and her paper’s editors, including name, address, salary, social media accounts, address, etc. Also, do any of them own guns?

  11. Squid says:

    I think we should encourage the AP reporters to go around to everybody’s houses and ask them in person how many firearms they have. Make ’em burn a little shoe leather for a change.

  12. Squid says:

    Great! Let’s start with posting information on her and her paper’s editors, including name, address, salary, social media accounts, address, etc. Also, do any of them own guns?

    While we’re at it, let’s do a hard-hitting story about public education, and get a list of where all their children attend school, and where their bus stops are, and what time the buses come around to pick them up and drop them off. I mean, people gotta right to know!

  13. Libby, I believe Mzzz. Hasson’s info was put out there right after she made her foolish statement.

  14. Blogger Christopher Fountain published her info at the site For What It’s Worth back in December, plus the info for others involved in the story.

    Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane, Mamaroneck, NY 10534.

    Phone number: (914) 694-5204

    http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sauce-for-the-goose/

  15. Libby says:

    Ah! I remember that – after the interactive map of gun owners fiasco.

  16. dicentra says:

    The country’s in the best of hands.

    Be sure to read the comments on the judge’s performance. Keep a roll of duct-tape handy.

  17. geoffb says:

    Re: dicentra@ 3:43pm

    Natalia M. Combs Greene is an associate judge for the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. She was appointed to the court by President Bill Clinton

    Some commentary.

  18. Merovign says:

    They’re not trying to report timely information to the public, they’re singling out political enemies for harassment.

    When’t the last time the MFM published lists and addresses of gay people who are married or women who have had abortions?

    Her appeal to journalistic principles is a sickening lie. Journalistic principles are also a sickening lie.

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