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Babies are controversial … [Darleen Click]

Well, only when you want to save them

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A national pro-life organization is outraged after three major American newspapers rejected a pro-life ad as “too controversial.”

The Chicago Tribune, USA Today, and the LA Times refused to run an advertisement created by Heroic Media.

The ad features a hand holding a 20- to 24-week-old baby with the quote, “This child has no voice, which is why it depends on yours. Speak Up.” […]

“I am disturbed that these papers would run article after article promoting the notion that abortion is a victimless act without consequences,” [Heroic Media Executive Director Joe] Young said. “The fact remains, children who are unique individuals – never again to be duplicated – are being killed in the most violent way imaginable and they feel the excruciating pain of that death.”

The newspapers took issue with the image of the baby.

“It seems as though it is okay to talk about the issue in general, but when you actually put a face to the discussion, then it becomes controversial,” Young said.

Now, it’s not like the Los Angeles Times has never run pictures of abortion-ready babies before:

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Above from 2011.

The LA Times also has no issue running PETA ads, all about saving horses or the Thanksgiving Turkey

But saving human babies?

Perish the thought!

h/t Carol Platt Liebau

135 Replies to “Babies are controversial … [Darleen Click]”

  1. BigBangHunter says:

    – Yet another bit of excitement this morning at SFO when an incoming 747 completely lost power in one engine but landed safely. No other details were immediately available.

  2. leigh says:

    More nonsense from yesterday’s crash: Congresscritter opines that he has flown into SFO a zillion times—as a passenger on commercial aircraft— and that the runway is like, 3000 feet long. Sure. He’s off by about 9000 feet. Close enough, I guess.

  3. A while ago I wrote a post on the competitive callousness of many feminists regarding abortion. In the comments I was told that linking to images of foetal development and the procedures being advocated by feminists – a factual detail that to me seemed rather pertinent – was much too partisan. Controversial, if you will.

    The same commenter also implied that it was in some way peculiar to regard nascent human beings as more morally significant than, say, unborn piglets.

  4. BigBangHunter says:

    – Did the commenter have mustard toes?

  5. BigBangHunter says:

    – Leigh, its been informative, once again, watching the basolute nonsense spewed by various “observers”, some professionals, etc, concerning the crash. Obviously the plane could not have cart-whelled, and the wings seem to have mysteriously reattached themselves apparently. If that plane had done any of the things the “witnesses” say it would be a pile of aluminum shards and broken chopped up body parts.

    – BTW, I was wrong about the 777’s age. They’ve been around for 18 years it seems. I think we get it mixed up with some of the other Jumbo jets which are newer.

  6. leigh says:

    No sweat, BBH. I had to look it up and they’ve been in production since 1995. Asiana Air bought the jumbo in this crash in 2006 (I think) but don’t say if it was “pre-owned”. As for the gymnastics the plane supposedly went through on impact, it’s obvious that none of the “witnesses” ever took a Physics class.

    For you, this has to be like listening to self-proclaimed “experts” on space travel explaining how the moon landings were fake.

  7. LBascom says:

    I think I read this particular plane was 6 or 7 years old, and this is the first loss of life associated with the 777.

  8. LBascom says:

    I landed on a runway 3000 feet long once. It was in a Piper Warrior with my instructor, when I had only about 30 hours, and it looked like a freak’in helicopter pad to me. It also required a steep decent due to high wires. I did NOT like it.

  9. geoffb says:

    [T]he plane was bought in 2006 but didn’t provide further details or elaborate. Asiana officials later said the plane was also built that year.

  10. guinspen says:

    the competitive callousness of many feminists

    She’s Mandy, Fly Her

  11. leigh says:

    Thanks geoff.

  12. geoffb says:

    Some more info from the National Transportation Safety Board chief Deborah Hersman.

  13. Pablo says:

    More nonsense from yesterday’s crash: Congresscritter opines that he has flown into SFO a zillion times—as a passenger on commercial aircraft— and that the runway is like, 3000 feet long. Sure. He’s off by about 9000 feet.

    Doesn’t much matter how long the runway is if you don’t make it to the runway.

  14. leigh says:

    Well, making the runway is the key, of course.

  15. leigh says:

    Say! Tereza Heinz Kerry is in the hospital in critical condition.

    This is Kerry’s opportunity to step aside for “family reasons”.

  16. BigBangHunter says:

    – Here is amateur video of the approach and chrash. You can see the plane hit tail first slam down and spin then rear up and plow into the dirt on its belly.

    – Yeah. While I was over at HuffPoop, holding my nose, I left a comment on the Kerry article. “Maybe Lurch can use the time to find his DDS-180 while hes in the waiting room dreaming about all the money he may enherit.”

    – Its always fun, watching Libturd heads explode.

  17. BigBangHunter says:

    – Crash video link.

  18. BigBangHunter says:

    – Pickettes charge reenactment video from today’s performance at Gettysburg – free.

  19. BigBangHunter says:

    – Oh, and here’s the Drudge version of the crash video. Guess why there was no audio on the HuffPoop version. Why, the guy taking the video commited the ultimate sin in the eyes of Progtardia. Can you guess what he said before watching? Like WMD’s and babies, yet another invisible to the Lefturds.

    Link.

  20. BigBangHunter says:

    – The religion of peace shows its tolerance yet again.

    – Unless and until the world starts making this sort of thing cost the Muslims something more than “talk” it will not stop.

  21. newrouter says:

    “The religion of peace shows its tolerance yet again.”

    World Order and Islamism

  22. BT says:

    Not sure why they are trying to pass this legislation at the national level. Seems it rightfully belongs with the various states.

  23. LBascom says:

    Because the right to life is a federal constitutional thing?

  24. newrouter says:

    well marco needs sumthing to show his stuff after immigration fiasco

  25. newrouter says:

    “Because the right to life is a federal constitutional thing?”

    ask the ” O!care death panels”?

  26. LBascom says:

    Also, maybe because there is no actual federal legislation addressing abortion, just judicial ruling. That we are a nation of laws, not a nation of rulers, has made abortion an unnecessary point of contention for 40 years.

  27. LBascom says:

    I should say we used to be a nation of laws. Now the rulers can decide to rule by law or not, depending on how the next election cycle looks…

  28. newrouter says:

    some sunday evening lawlessness

    Congressman: IRS Scandal Will Widen to Leaks

  29. BT says:

    Because the right to life is a federal constitutional thing?

    Is it? Roe v Wade was a challenge to state law.

    Most states have restrictions starting at viability somewhere between 24 and 26 weeks.

    Just wondering what the compelling federal interest is in this.

    Now if they really wanted to do something that would be more in their jurisdiction is to pass an amendment.

    What i liked about the Texas law and i read it, was they enacted stricter requirements for the clinic to bring them more in line with other ambulatory surgical centers.

  30. leigh says:

    Mark Steyn was the guest host on Rush’s show last Friday. He read a list of different offenses against the people and asked who was guilty of the offense: King George III or King Barry? All of the questions were phrased as if written in the 18th century and could have gone either way when you thought about them.

    It turns out Barry was a worse offender. Worse than the guy we told to take his taxes and shove them up his nethers.

  31. LBascom says:

    Hard to know BT. It’s been said before, but the public cares about the economy, jobs, and the deficit, while the politicians are pushing low priority issues like immigration, climate change, and gay rights.

    Go figure…

  32. BT says:

    Wonder what DC would do if 17 million of us showed up on their doorsteps like folks did in Cairo. I think most of those showed up because someone said they were giving away food at the palace gate. No wonder they were pissed.

  33. newrouter says:

    “Wonder what DC would do if 17 million of us showed up on their doorsteps like folks did in Cairo.”

    you would hear in the “news” about kim kardashian latest problem

  34. BigBangHunter says:

    – “43 hours experience with the 777, and first landing at SFO for pilot of plane” – Asiana Airlines officials.

    Rut Roh.

  35. BigBangHunter says:

    – Lets see, 306 x 10 million. Whoa.

  36. newrouter says:

    see kim kardashian

    ” “43 hours experience with the 777, and first landing at SFO for pilot of plane” – Asiana Airlines officials.”

    so what? the “driverless” freight train carrying oil that blew up in a quebec town is more interesting.

  37. newrouter says:

    ” Lee, who started his career at Asiana as an intern in 1994, has 9,793 hours of flying experience, but only 43 hours with the Boeing 777 jet.

    Co-pilot Lee Jeong-min, who has 3,220 hours of flying experience with the Boeing 777 and a total of 12,387 hours of flying experience, was helping Lee Kang-kook in the landing, the spokeswoman said.”

  38. BigBangHunter says:

    – Hey. If we’re going to go off topic, I reserve the right to choose which off topic topic I post bunky.

    – Also I’m less interested in what happens in Canada. We have more than enough problems right here in the US of A.

  39. LBascom says:

    I found the train story interesting too. Did not know it was standard practice to park a 73 car train and check into a hotel for the night. No one saw the inevitable fail in that scenario?

  40. newrouter says:

    ” Also I’m less interested in what happens in Canada. We have more than enough problems right here in the US of A.”

    your fixation on this particular topic fascinates. a “driverless” train carrying oil careening through and blowing up a quebec town is nothing?

  41. Pablo says:

    “Any allegation that the Department of State authorized someone to break into Mr. Schulman’s law firm is false and baseless,” spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

    “He participated in the White House meeting with the president by secure phone and was and is in non-stop contact with foreign leaders, and his senior team in Washington and Cairo. Any report or tweet that he was on a boat is completely inaccurate.”

  42. BigBangHunter says:

    – I have to say I find the “landing with engines on idle” not a little suspicious. Back in the day when I was logging many miles per year flying, I always recall landings being done under full flaps down and engines at about 1/2 to 3/4’s power, and on many occasions seeing the pilots “spool up” and do “go-arounds” at the last minute, particularly in bad weather conditions, but even in clear skies.

    – But you can’t spool-up quickly from an idle. There is a perceptable hesitation with jet engines. They take many seconds to rev up, so you can’t start from an idle and get any thrust immediately, which appears to be what happened in this case.

  43. newrouter says:

    “Did not know it was standard practice to park a 73 car train and check into a hotel for the night.”

    happens everyday. see union contract

  44. LBascom says:

    I think the airplane story is pretty much over. The pilot got behind the power curve and didn’t correct in time. Thank God he didn’t kill everyone aboard.

  45. BigBangHunter says:

    – I said less interested, not uninterested, but your fixation on me is even less interesting yet.

  46. Ernst Schreiber says:

    [C]ompetetive [C]allousness

    Kudos on a pithily turned phrase. And it seems not much has changed since 2010, if Ann Althouse’s musings are anything to go by. (second and third links go to Instapundit, who links the original Althouse item, here).

    Althouse in a nutshell, offers a version of if you don’t want to get burned, then don’t play with fire, i.e. if, men, you don’t want your sperm thwarted, or conversely, your paycheck garnished, then be more careful about where you deposit it.

    It occurs to me that the way to level the playing field, so to speak, is to disadvantage both parties by privileging the right of the unborn to be born.

    Which, come to think of it, is how things really worked in the bad old days.

    Or so it seems to me.

  47. BigBangHunter says:

    Thank God he didn’t kill everyone aboard.

    – Seconded. Ironic enough, the slow speed, and impacts, which further reduced momentum, as well as the plane staying upright and pancaking, was probably what saved them.

  48. newrouter says:

    “but your fixation on me is even less interesting yet.”

    fixation? i haven’t posting stuff for 2 days about the minutia of sumthing at sfo

  49. newrouter says:

    unless you have personal peeps involved, why do you care?

  50. BigBangHunter says:

    nr – I admit I have more than a passing interest since I have family that flies to and from Korea. Your point?

  51. BigBangHunter says:

    – Aditionally I was unaware Jeff or Dar had apointed you as comment monitor.

  52. newrouter says:

    “Or so it seems to me.”

    it is that “personal responsibility” thing. some wymens don’t want “breeder” status

  53. newrouter says:

    “nr – I admit I have more than a passing interest since I have family that flies to and from Korea. Your point?”

    that this is about as “important” as “driverless trains” and shootings in chitown over the july 4th holiday

  54. newrouter says:

    i be comment on a commentator that is all

  55. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Not sure why they are trying to pass this legislation at the national level. Seems it rightfully belongs with the various states.

    Probably because the Supreme Court is more likely to defer to an Act of Congress than it is to the action of a mere state.

  56. newrouter says:

    “Did not know it was standard practice to park a 73 car train and check into a hotel for the night.”

    someone did. might they be connected to this:

    Massachusetts State Police appeal clerk’s decision not to issue criminal complaints against alleged Quabbin Reservoir trespassers

  57. BigBangHunter says:

    – Free Movie reviews: Man of steel; pretty good for this sort of film. The lone Ranger; sucks.

  58. Ernst Schreiber says:

    it is that “personal responsibility” thing. some wymens don’t want “breeder” status

    And some wymens will happily allow themselves to be bred by the right sperm donor was the point of the original Althouse link.

  59. newrouter says:

    when you want to kill “infidels” borders don’t matter

  60. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Lemme guess BBH, They should have just gone ahead and called it Tonto, because Tonto is chock full of native spiritual wisdom and the Lone Ranger is a dude who’d be totally lost without his faithful indian companion to guide him. That about right?

  61. newrouter says:

    “And some wymens will happily allow themselves to be bred by the right sperm donor was the point of the original Althouse link.”

    no they will “lie, cheat and steal”: perfect demonrats

  62. newrouter says:

    any “vibrant” activity(- anti judeao-christian) will be touted by the demonrats.

  63. Ernst Schreiber says:

    On the train thing, I live three blocks from the tracks of a switch yard. The locomotives idle when they’re not in use. Couldn’t tell you how easy or difficult it is to get in the cab when they’re unoccupied.

  64. BT says:

    Probably because the Supreme Court is more likely to defer to an Act of Congress than it is to the action of a mere state.

    Like they did with DOMA?

  65. BigBangHunter says:

    – Bingo Ernst. I mean, how can you go wrong taking advice from a guy with a dead bird on his head. Of course if you think watching a stunt man ride a horse back and forth on the top of a moving train is worth the price of a ticket then go for it. The center piece of this epic fail train wreck is a train wreck.

  66. newrouter says:

    “The locomotives idle when they’re not in use. ”

    they do. it is a switch point. the jihadis are targeting the area.

  67. leigh says:

    I’d certainly rather talk about aviation and the Asiana crash than about the thread topic. Again.

  68. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Like they did with DOMA?

    I had the Affordable Care Act in mind, but good point.

    – Bingo Ernst.

    I figured all that out from a 20 sec. clip on Entertainment Tonight, or some other stupid latenight infotainment show.

    I’ll even bet the Lone Ranger gets beat up when Tonto sends him into town!

  69. BT says:

    My apologies leigh

  70. Darleen says:

    BBH

    We saw Man of Steel … enjoyed it but the fight scenes were overly long. Could have cut a good 30 minutes out.

    Haven’t seen Lone Ranger, and from reviews, I don’t think we will.

  71. LBascom says:

    I really wanted to like that show about the Wyoming sheriff, Longmire, something like that?

    About ten minutes in I discovered the wise indian character (Lew Diamond Phillips?) was unable to speak English using contractions.

    I couldn’t take it.

  72. newrouter says:

    no sabotage i’m sure

    “About 40 people were still missing a day after a runaway train derailed in Quebec, igniting explosions and fires that destroyed a busy downtown district and killed five people. Police said a higher death toll was inevitable, and authorities feared the number might soar once they’re able to reach the hardest-hit areas. Worries remained over the status of two oil-filled train cars.

    Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper compared the area to a “war zone” and said about 30 buildings were incinerated. Quebec provincial police Sgt. Beno?t Richard said only a small portion of the devastated area had been searched Sunday, more than a day since the accident, because firefighters were making sure all fires were out.

    The train’s 72 oil-filled tanker cars somehow came loose early Saturday morning, sped downhill nearly seven miles into the town, derailed and began exploding one by one. At least five exploded.”

    link

  73. newrouter says:

    jihadis are laughing

  74. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Then don’t talk about it leigh.

    In this case I happen to think it’s interesting to juxtapose Althouse’s opinion on fatherhood by deceit, with Marcotte’s on my body my choice in order to suggest that if the controlling interest here belonged to the concieved (should there be one), then both the sperm donor and the egg donor are incentivized to know where they stand (so to speak) before consumating the assignation.

  75. BigBangHunter says:

    – Man of Steel had about 500 digital programmers for the dramatic action overlays, (well the credits went on and on for some time with a full screen of names anyway), plus killing off two of the more smarmy idea’s, that SuperM would never kill anyone, no matter how evil, and the idea that Lois is such an airhead that Clark only had to put on a pair of glasses and she would immediately be unable to tell he was SuperM, both of which are naive idealisms, was good for the brand, at least most who have seen it think so. Beyond that, the acting and script did a fair job of being at least possible in most instances, and less cartoonish than past efforts. Plus the nemisis, General Zod, is evil, but with a tinge of fixated Krypyton survival sympathy. **** stars.

  76. newrouter says:

    althouse – unimpressive with tenure

  77. newrouter says:

    “Man of Steel had about 500 digital programmers for the dramatic action overlays, ”

    sounds like gov’t

  78. BT says:

    I really wanted to like that show about the Wyoming sheriff, Longmire, something like that?

    I like Longmire.

    Phillips doesn’t have that big a role yet, but there are enough subplots to fill a soap opera.

  79. leigh says:

    I’m not talking about it, obviously. I’ve said plenty about it before and will in the future, I’m sure.

    BT, Ernst and the rest chat away. It’s not my blog.

  80. newrouter says:

    so we have the “boston bombers” and now this? islam suxs peeps

  81. leigh says:

    I love Longmire. Finally a manly main character who isn’t a show-off or has some stupid hobby like secretly writing sonnets.

  82. LBascom says:

    Not to argue with you at all Ernst, but personally I think the whole issue has been summed up about as well as can be done with the Hail Satan! display.

    Then the Satanists objecting to the disparaging of Satan.

    It don’t get much clearer than that.

  83. newrouter says:

    yea sounds like the “kim kardashian” channel here. you guys be lame

  84. BigBangHunter says:

    – When you’ve lost the Satanic vote, you might want to spend some time reviewing your PR optics.

  85. BigBangHunter says:

    – There’s only so many times you can call a duck a duck nr. After that you start to look “fixated”.

  86. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That’s the abortion issue culled out from the larger issue of the sexual revolution and its consequences. In this case, how men and women increasingly misrelate to each other as men and women.

  87. newrouter says:

    “Joe McGonigle, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic’s vice president of marketing, said the company believes the brakes were the cause.

    “Somehow those brakes were released, and that’s what is going to be investigated,” McGonigle said in a telephone interview Sunday. “We’re pretty comfortable saying it is the brakes. The train was parked, it was tied up. The brakes were secured. Somehow it got loose.””

  88. LBascom says:

    Well, maybe I judged Longmire too quickly, but geez that Phillips character torqued me. Talked like a 50’s b-western injun in animal skins with a scalp tied to his ponies mane. Ridiculous.

  89. newrouter says:

    “There’s only so many times you can call a duck a duck nr”

    i ain’t be posting most anything on a regular basis about sfo in last 24 hrs

  90. BigBangHunter says:

    – This whole SFO thing is a real issue for you it appears. So be it. When you get the assignment as blog monitor let me know and I promise to give a flying fuck what you think. K?

  91. leigh says:

    Lou Diamond Philips, his character’s name is Henry, is actually a pivotal character this season. You’ll need to watch last season to find out why. I like that there are a shitload of crooked Indians who are scamming the government and putting one over on the white man and stupid hippies. Instead of being one with the Great Spirit, they are making hay on the casino deals and running hookers. Just like regular folks.

    Bonus for dudes: there are often scantily clad young ladies who are recurring characters or main characters enjoying a roll in the hay (literally).

    And LDB’s character owns a bar. He can’t be all bad. ; )

  92. leigh says:

    BBH, nr’s just mad because we like flying better than choo-choo train accidents in another country.

  93. newrouter says:

    “nr’s just mad because we like flying better than choo-choo train accidents in another country.”

    yea sending 76 cars of oil into a small town at high speed is a discussion of “transportation policy” get a grip

  94. BigBangHunter says:

    – Well I just didn’t want him to think his OCS was being rudely ignored, because it is.

    – Haven’t seen Longmire, need to check it out.

  95. leigh says:

    Nr, you really ought to give serious thought to rehab. You’re getting drunk and belligerent every night lately.

  96. BigBangHunter says:

    – nr’s alright, just a little cranky. I’d rather pick on Mustard toes.

  97. leigh says:

    You’ll love it, BBH. Monday nights at 9:00 on A&E (I think.)

    Lots of shooting and Andy Taylor style sheriffing stirred together with chicks and shenanigans with cattle rustlers and stupid hippies getting tossed on their asses.

  98. leigh says:

    I like nr. He just gets a little tunnel vision now and then.

  99. BigBangHunter says:

    – Speaking of which, wheres the SplodeyRat. He’s usually right on it whenever there’s a dead baby post.

  100. newrouter says:

    so we had the “boston bombing”
    then “the midnight reservoir inspection(mass)”

    oh a train filled with oil “suddenly” blows up a town (quebec)

    no nothing going on here. carry on.

  101. leigh says:

    Don’t summon him! For the love of all that’s holy!

  102. leigh says:

    G’nite all.

  103. BigBangHunter says:

    *chuckle* – My bad.

  104. newrouter says:

    “Nr, you really ought to give serious thought to rehab. You’re getting drunk and belligerent every night lately.”

    sir you be retarded – luv rachel

  105. BigBangHunter says:

    – Nighters…

  106. BT says:

    If it is terror we’ll hear about it soon enough. That will get the insurance companies off the hook I’m guessing. Depends on what caused the brake failure(s) and how secure the yard was.

  107. Ernst Schreiber says:

    yea sending 76 cars of oil into a small town at high speed is a discussion of “transportation policy” get a grip

    A little Occam’s Razor here? Why would you want to blow up a podunk town outside of nowhere’sville in the French part of Canuckistan?

    If I was going to use a train derailment as a plausibly deniable form of state-sanctioned terrorism (otherwise, why no claim of responsibility?), I’d for damn sure get more bang for my petrol dollar using anhydrous ammonia near a major midwestern population center.

    Or ethanol, for that matter.

  108. LBascom says:

    Changed my mind again BT, Longmire sounds worse than I imagined.

  109. BT says:

    lee, that’s why the tv has a dial. or used to.

  110. newrouter says:

    kind of funny the jihadis are attacking new england and johneffinkerry is sailing his wife is in the hospital while baracky be golfing. fun for all

  111. newrouter says:

    “A little Occam’s Razor here? Why would you want to blow up a podunk town outside of nowhere’sville in the French part of Canuckistan?”

    because you can?

  112. newrouter says:

    why do you film a person cutting out the heart of a human and eating it?

  113. newrouter says:

    the french are infidels too. why kill the soldier in woolrich?

  114. newrouter says:

    “Nr, you really ought to give serious thought to rehab. You’re getting drunk and belligerent every night lately.”

    me i don’t listen to you. you are wannabe. fit in with the “gang”

  115. Matt says:

    *and the idea that Lois is such an airhead that Clark only had to put on a pair of glasses and she would immediately be unable to tell he was SuperM*

    I got the impression that she knew (and likely helped him get the job, him having no journalism experience that we know of) and that’s why she gave him that look at the end. I didn’t mind the Zod killing – he was about to kill an entire family and made it clear he would wipe out the Earth’s population if given the chance- but if I had been making the movie, I would have found someway to send him back to the Phantom Zone (which I thought was lame- they were banished and then immediately got out? What?). My beef with the film was the sheer amount of destruction in Metropolis at the end- why not take Zod somewhere else? If I were the people of Metro, I’d be pretty much unhappy with any metahumans after that debacle.

    Sorry, completely off topic.

  116. serr8d says:

    It occurs to me that the way to level the playing field, so to speak, is to disadvantage both parties by privileging the right of the unborn to be born.

    And afterwards, to legally require both parties to raise said offspring, since marriage would then be a requirement not an option.

    Once, shame as a consequence for bad behavior (single parenting by choice is in that set) was enough to see a child raised mostly successfully. But, our society’s morals loosened, societal normals decayed as our population boomed and we became ‘enlightened’. Now, if one feels any shame at all, he or she can sue someone for damages.

    We need more better animal human husbandry methods, because fo’sho the days of high moral standards and any given individual’s aversion to (non-existent) societal shaming aren’t coming back.

  117. Ernst Schreiber says:

    So everything’s finally beginning to proceed as Margaret Sanger foresaw?

  118. serr8d says:

    Is it? Or will there be (natural or otherwise) corrections made to avoid that fate?

  119. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Are the days of high moral standards and social efficacy of shaming gone forever or aren’t they?

  120. serr8d says:

    Heh. I liked Niven’s notions of ‘birthrights’. That is, no two humans have the ability to reproduce until they’ve evidenced the ability and commitment to raise their offspring. Then, child bearing and child rearing will become an epitome of human existence, instead of just an inconvenient truth that’s so easily toyed with.

    Abortions are abominations. You think controlling the ability to randomly inseminate and cause a pregnancy is worse? I’d rather see young adults of both genders given mandatory birth control than risk an abortion.

  121. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Wow. And people call me a statist.

  122. serr8d says:

    On the downhill path we’ve chosen (by vote and by omission), shame as even a mild controlling device is gone. There’s much uphill climbing needed to get society back to that level. Not sure we’ll see that for many, many generations. Not in our lifetimes I’m guessing.

    Oh, there’s pockets of good people that resist the negative societal influences we’re experiencing. But for how long?

  123. serr8d says:

    Future historian. )

  124. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think I get your point, but the solution lacks…

    something.

  125. serr8d says:

    Not saying that’s what I want to see; that’s what’s going to happen if we don’t get our shit together.

  126. leigh says:

    Awfully draconian, serr8d. It will never work.

    Thank God.

  127. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ah. So everything is finally starting to proceed as Margaret Sanger foresaw after all, then.

  128. serr8d says:

    What kept things together before this ‘collapse’? Religion, for the most part, served as a societal glue. Now, religious belief is dimming, and statism is rising to take it’s place. We see the State filling that role, our ‘elected’ ‘officials’ assuming the Godhead, and we have to wonder just what is the outcome? Whatever they like.

  129. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Probably something that’s the sum of the worst in both Orwell and Huxley.

  130. geoffb says:

    Anecdotes, antidotes.

    This item bemoaning modern weddings at the National Review brings back memories of weddings that were not ‘blinged out.’

    Back in the days when Joe Hooks, whose wife had thirteen girls in a row, and who adopted four more, painted a shotgun white so the girls could have a formal wedding. The boys had to take their chances with their girls family’s shotguns.

  131. serr8d says:

    I keep coming back to Bacon: “Without God, humans are but animals”. We are one more abortion away from losing our spiritual connections. Then what?

    Without God, animal husbandry is an obvious necessity. But if Sanger then without the abortions, because after that line is crossed (mass killing of unborn infants) we’re definitely without any God (because, souls are ‘in there’ at conception). So, since we can’t stop the fucking, we can hopefully stop the conception. Both genders need contraception.

    Or they need less ‘enlightenment’.

    Find a way to turn the flock.

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