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Too bad so many thought they wanted this for Christmases past.
Now that’s funny, geoffb. Already one commentor “Shivonne” pleading ADD not to air this, and disrespect the prezzidint anymore than he’s already been disrespected.
Self-disrespected, I’d say (1:11).
Notice how white Barry is as a cartoon …
Cool! I want one.
*** Breaking ***
– 777 Airliner with 275 aboard from Asia crashes at San Francico international. radio coverage.
A report that most are ok.
– First video’s.
That video makes it look like it came in with the tail low and that the tail section hit the rip-rap at the water’s edge.
– Crash over an hour ago, and still not a single word from Airlines or airport officials.
Coast Guard finds one body in bay. No other reports yet.
– Apparently traffic in and out has been so badly snarled that network coverage has been stiffled, possibly no fly being enforced in the airport vacinity so no news copters.
– Getting some info between the video and radio coverage.
First, that spider’s movement is six flavors of awesome.
Second, though I’m not overly creeped-out by spiderses, that one gives me the willies.
Third, add some hairs and a fire-starter laser gun and send it into the narcotraficante areas of northern Mexico. See how they run!
Fourth, plane crash? Airliners don’t have accidents anymore in the U.S. Not since 9/11.
Crap.
– Some of what the eyewitnesses are saying makes no sense. They keep talking about the wings coming off but the wreckage still has both main wings. Maybe they are reffering to the rear wings, which came off when the tail section hit first as they were attempting to land.
People are morons, BBH. The tail came off and the tail fins are separated from the tail. There is landing gear on the tarmac. The fire that caused all the damage to the upper structure of the fuselage happened after the passengers were evacuated. The plane did not “cartwheel” it spun like a top after the tail section separated. If it had cartwheeled, there wouldn’t be any survivors or plane left.
– That sounds about right Leigh. People waiting for passengers still have not been told a thing.
Just sent the vid to my gadget-freak nephews. They’ll LOVE it, on account of they can put their mom (my sister) on the ceiling with the mere mention of spiderses.
KTVU is reporting two dead.
– A reporter just added to the confusion by saying “when the plane flipped upside down”, yada yada. Gotta love ’em. Breathlessly spreading misinformation and chaos. So professional.
Of course, in that same article, witnesses report the plane flipping over and landing on its back. The crash-site photos show a plane right-side up.
Jinxed and stuff.
– 2 dead, 48 injured.
– I think sometimes people go into shock when they see something they can’t adjust too in their mind, they blank on it, and after the fact they fill in the blanks with “what they think will happen in a crash”.
The plane did not flip. There are pictures of the fuselage taken by a passenger after deplaning and it is in one piece. Jetliners carry their fuel in the wings and the fire began in the upper portion of the fuselage. Most of the debris on the runway appears to be luggage.
48 injured are mostly smoke inhalation.
Passenger pic.
– To have the entire tail section ripped off and only 2 fatalities is probably because all passemgers would be in their seats when on approach for landing. Most likely the two casualties are flight attendents.
Tweeter accidentally captures the landing.
I thought that too, BBH. No one ever worries about crew in these crashes.
– Airport closed down until further notice. All flights in and out cancelled.
– All incoming flights being diverted to nearby airports. Havoc ensues.
Havoc indeed. SFO is a PITA to get to and so are all the municipal airfields around there. Something that big (777 size) is going to get sent where? Oakland? Get ready for hours in the car, kids!
– Many flights being diverted to Oakland which has no facilities for TSA inspection of international passengers. Chaos ensues.
Good lord, just reading about the plane crash…
looks more like pilot error than something wrong with the plane
Ha! I was just guessing, too. They’ll run out of space there and divert to Sacramento, next. Or worse, all the way to LAX.
Mr. Herbst, unless his is working for the NTSB knows no such thing, Darleen, let alone “obviously”. He should STFU until it gets sorted.
BBH
No need to search passengers at Oakland … the neighbor inhabitants will take care of the searching and removing of property from anyone in the area…
Hubs is a retired fixed wing and rotor pilot and an FFA instrument rated instructor and he isn’t calling anything “obvious”.
leigh
Ok, I’ll take what he says with a shaker of salt…however, having flown out of SFO and Lindbergh in San Diego, the approaches to land on both make you hold your breath due to very narrow window for error.
-What?….You didn’t like being able to look in on the dinners in the restaurant atop the El Cortez as you came in for a landing back in the day Dar? Always compared it to an E ticket ride in Anaheim.
BBH
I lived in San Diego while in college (first time) in the early 70s and it was disconcerting to be driving down the 5 and suddenly see a plane almost at eye level in front of you … :-)
I wasn’t trying to snap at you, sorry about that.
After listening to so many of these dumbasses at FOX rattling on about cartwheeling, flaming aircraft and a shitload of armchair pilots giving their opinions from crap they heard from FOX, I’ve just had about enough of the speculation. It most likely is pilot error (hey, that airport is a bitch) but let’s wait and see. The plane itself is old and it could be a mechanical problem. The thing is we won’t know for weeks.
The only speculation worth taking is from DOT’s Mary Schiavo who is Hubs teevee girl friend and former NTSB honcho. ; )
– Some of the passengers on Jumbo flights landing at Oakland may be forced to deplane by slide – no ramps that will reach the plane doors available. Family fun for everyone.
– Many passengers are South Korean. A lot with limited english skills. limited translators available just ti ass to the general happyness.
– Anio asayo you’all.
“just to add” that is
Landing short, absent a mechanical problem like loss of power for whatever reason, is pilot error. I give good odds that’s what this was.
I thought 777s were relatively new.
Room 101 for me would be filled with spiders, although I think I’d really like one of those T8’s – the cats would certainly enjoy it.
– Yes, a 777 couldn’t be more than three years old at the most. Don’t see them being able to retstart operations today. Just too much debre on the runways to be given a safety go ahead.
– A news conference is scheduled for 3pm PT.
You’re right. I was thinking of a different Jumbo. Funny thing is that the last time I flew out of SFO it was on a 777.
here’s some more mayhem for your saturday
At least one dead as freight train explodes in Canadian town
– I’ll find out in the next few days if any family/relatives or friends from Korea were on the flight.
Oh! That’s right, BBH. Boy, I sure hope that isn’t the case.
Shit, I just went to live watch the presser at 3:00pm and it was over at 3:01 pm
Oh crap, BBH, I second Leigh.
– Probably not since most would be coming into LAX, but not a for sure thing.
– The FAA spokesperson did a “we’ll let you know when we get there” and slammed the door on the stupid press questions.
– Several reporters did the usual jackass question “Do you think it was pilot error?”, and she just ignored them.
Good for the NTSB spokesperson.
The firefighters or some other official types appear to be grid searching the area of the crash.
FAA, I meant.
– Well she may have been NTSB, things are a bit jammed right now/
They are pulling back so you can see the entire area and its kind of telling that the fuselage came to rest not that far from the tail pices, which you can see near the start of the runway. Means a lot of the forward momentum must have been slowed when the tail hit. May have saved a lot of lives.
– Yes – Debra Hershman, chairman of the NTSB.
That picture that dicentra linked at 3:01 makes it look like the two horizontal tails came off before anything else did. Not sure, do they slant down to where they would catch in the water and rip off? In that overhead video that BBH posted the link to they are both the first major pieces laying on the runway just after the start of it.
Why is “Do you think it was pilot error?” a jackass question?
There was a fisherman on earlier who had been out in the bay shortly before the crash and reported hearing a loud noise from the aircraft before it hit the jetty. He could be mistaken, though. I mean, aircraft landing is pretty noisy as it is.
Because she’s in DC, Lee. How can she know that for a fact or speculate on what caused the crash from 3000 miles away?
– Because of the pre-mature nature LB. How the hell could anyone with a working brain know a detail like that at this point?
– There was s similar occurance in England where a 777 lost power just as they were landing and the tail dropped sharply, but they were able to get it down without mishap in spite of a rather hard landing.
– Could be something similar happened here. May be some latent flaw in the auto landing system that kills power prematurely during landing that hasn’t been detected.
Oh, I bet they have a pretty good idea, it’s not like airliners land without anyone paying attention. They might not know, but then again they might. Asking the question doesn’t seem like a jackass thing to me.
The pilot is still alive, no? Iy’s possible he called his boss and told what happened ten thousand miles away already.
It’s, not Iy’s.
– I generally encourage curiousity in reporters, but sometimes its just angling for something controversial that they can hype the story with.
– Pandering for angles in an accident is akin to using the family of a nutcase massacre to push gun control. Same mentality LB.
Godspeed, BBH.
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– As far as the pilots, I heard an early report, supposidly from a passenger, that had one of the pilots being badly injured from ” a door hitting him during the crash”. Have no other info since then so it has to be taken with a grain.
– Thanks Bob. Pretty sure most family/friends would have been coming into LAX, but there has been a lot of cousins, extended family/relatives, added to the coming and going in the past ten years, and some are from the SF area, so not sure at this point.
– Ok. The pilot of the Hudson river accident was interviewed and said that the auto ILS system, among a number of other equipments, is down for repair at SFO, so pilots are hand landing for the present. What, if anything, that may have to do with this accident isn’t clear.
– Because Asiana Airlines has so few personel, United Airlines stepped in and are acting to assist as laissan for family members and passengers, and trying to assist in any way they can. Good for them.
– Presser going on right now from SFO bringing everything known at this point up to date.
– 60 people unaccounted for at this time.
– Another presser scheduled for 5:30.
more “train wreck” news
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The pilot of the Hudson river accident was interviewed and said that the auto ILS system, among a number of other equipments, is down for repair at SFO, so pilots are hand landing for the present. What, if anything, that may have to do with this accident isn’t clear.
Huh. Well, that adds many more variables to the puzzle.
“auto ILS system, among a number of other equipments, is down for repair at SFO, ”
they didn’t have redundant systems because landing a big jet full of people landing is a low priority. tsa employees now you’re talking important stuff.
slow news day
I thought the bigger story is how the tragedy in canada highlights how oil trains have a tendency to catastrophically derail for lack of safe efficient pipelines
Asiana is a porn name
i’m watching martha stewart making her moms pierogies. fasinating
” how oil trains have a tendency to catastrophically derail.”
more fun how stopped and parked trains start moving again ,without the crew, at a crew transfer point!
I’m pretty sure big jets full of people did OK before computerized auto-landing systems.
I’d rather trust a competent pilot over a computer in those situations anyway.
more fun how stopped and parked trains start moving again, without the crew, at a crew transfer point!
I think there should be an investigation
In other news, Glenn Beck’s Man in the Moon presentation is slated to start in 1/2 hour in an outdoor amphitheater here in Salt Lake valley.
It’s been raining on and off since 6pm, because that’s what the summer monsoons are about: heat up the land during the first part of the day, then rainstorms boil in from the southwest and crash through: sudden winds, lightning and thunder, hard/fast rains.
Yeah, they’ve been hit, and I, being a few miles NE of them, have been soaked as well. Following the triple-digit hell of last week, now I’ve had to shut off the sprinklers. On the night before the 4th of July, we got 1/2 inch, and it steamed the place up something awful.
I had cleverly left my rear car windows open: I left them open the rest of the day to let the water evaporate out. Closed the windows and stuff, then this afternoon I got into my closed car and my glasses steamed up.
That’s just wrong in the desert. That should NEVER happen.
“I’d rather trust a competent pilot over a computer in those situations anyway. ”
sfo has redundant tsa but no landing stuff. me i likes the computer. it lands peeps at sfo everyday
“That’s just wrong in the desert. That should NEVER happen.”
no water in the desert to be sure
Oh, and the radar shows the rain clearing out around the time they want to start. Someone just posted a pic of the sun shining on the stage, but because the sun is to the west of the rainclouds, it could still rain until they move on.
“I think there should be an investigation”
me too
” A fast-moving, driverless train carrying tankers of crude oil derailed and exploded into an enormous fireball in the middle of a Canadian town early on Saturday, destroying dozens of buildings and killing at least one person, a toll officials said was likely to rise.”
but don’t worry fracking is “evil”
beck should have did pay-per-view. i would have watched it
Aaand double rainbow.
Right on cue.
You can listen live on TheBlaze Radio Network.
Or if you sign up for a new BlazeTV subscription (or upgrade from monthly to yearly) you can get a free DVD of the event.
thanks for the audio. as a subscriber it would be nice to be informed about it.
Spiny, the redundant systems were also not operational. The Vlasik system (not sure about the spelling), which is the lights that are aimed from the ground that look like wickets painted orange and change from red (low) to white ( high) and vice versa on the glide path to alert the pilot to altitude changes, was not working either. Also, spending a long time in fight over water, like the Pacific Ocean, messes up your depth perception since there is no horizon line.
It’s a miracle that more weren’t injured or killed. I hope SFO is indemnified or has deep pockets.
“The disaster occurred shortly after 1 a.m. (0500 GMT) when the runaway freight train with 73 cars sped into Lac-Megantic, a lakeside town of about 6,000 people in the province of Quebec near the border with Maine, and came off the rails.
Witnesses said the town center, which included bars as well as stores, a library and residential streets, was crowded with weekend partygoers.
Four of the cars caught fire and blew up in a huge fireball that mushroomed many hundreds of feet up into the air. It destroyed dozens of buildings, many of them totally flattened, included the popular Musi-Cafe music bar, eyewitnesses said.”
don’t worry about those curious muslims
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In SD you can damn near stand on the roof of the travel agency and touch incoming landing gear. Next time, I’m flying into Carlsbad.
– Interview of some survivors. Kind of shows that chaos is still alive and well in spite of all the “safety measures”, comprehensive and otherwise. Notice the first priority was to make sure this guy, his wife, and kid, were not terrorists with exploding diapers.
– It was good that so few perished, but its still crapolla that the SplodeyDopes have forced us to act like a police state.
No shit. As cool as this? Tough to say.
In SD you can damn near stand ….
– Years ago it was a standing joke that you could make out the Avis or Hertz rental papers during landing and throw them to the agents threw the agency windows.
– The approach was right at the end of the runway at Pacific highway on the edge of the tarmac with no barriers right up to the back of the General Dynamics main building plant 19 offices. Just a fence to a parking area along the street and a blast shield for take offs.
– Lunch break was Taco’s and scary landings. Exciting times.
Sorry – forgot to include the interview link.
i wish doc thompson would shut up
– KCBS radio covering the crash aftermath on the ground from the SFO terminals.
– For those interested, here’s the details of tomorrows reenactment of Picketts charge in a pay-for-view broadcast.
No shit. As cool as this?
Nothing is as cool as that.
Ok, the Glenn Beck thing is over.
I went to his “Christmas Sweater” and was…
…similarly disappointed.
For some reason, his Big Spectacle, Big Emotion shows never really reach me. But a lot of people are touched and are inspired, so I reckon it’s just a matter of taste. I always expect something a deeper or more insightful.
Oh well. He’s not doing these shows for me (whoever I am).
OTOH, the soundtrack actually is pretty good.
– Not to appear too overly nit-picky, but what happened to that earth shaking revelation he was bantying about last week. Nada.
but what happened to that earth shaking revelation he was bantying about last week.
Last week? About the whistle-blower?
That was a few weeks ago. I get the feeling that he had spoken out of turn—always eager to build up the dramatic tension—and the whistle-blower backed out.
Not sure if s/he backed out because Glenn tipped his/her hand or for other reasons, but Glenn responded live on the radio to tweets asking when the Big Dill was going to happen. He insisted it was the 70 GOP reps that were going to do that “press conference” in defiance of the Establicans, but that cat was way out of the bag before then, and it was kind of evident that Glenn was trying to erase the mention of the lone whistle-blower, probably to protect him/her from retaliation.
i heart vlasik big dills !
I like Bill Whittle‘s suggestion at 36:55 a lot.
(After you’ve seen that suggestion, watch the whole damn speech; it’s about 17 different kinds of awesome.)
Bill suggests the Tea Party rebrand itself as the “Rebel Alliance.”
What say you, Johnny?
I was reading up on the 777 and it appears that it first began flying as a commercial jetliner in 1995. I would like to know how old this aircraft was and who maintains it as well as the records of that maintenance.
Jackass alert”.
Pilot error is never excluded as a cause of accident, Lee. I said as much yesterday. The point is that the investigation hasn’t begun in earnest.
“It’s a little bit early to be drawing conclusions. We really prefer to base statements on fact. Want to establish the facts and let the facts guide us in our work,” she said. “[NTSB] teams will be looking at aircraft operations, at human performance, survival factors, and we’ll be looking at the aircraft. We’ll be looking at power plants, systems and structures.”
I’ve been in and out of SFO about six times since Christmas, I’m not a huge fan. I’ve had some pretty rough landings there, I figure it’s the wind. I guess the thing I hate most bout that airport is the absolute fisting you get when you take a cab out of there. Seriously.
I also can’t figure why it is that some of our most popular “tourist” cities have such shitty airports. SFO is a shitty airport. It just is. Not LaGuardia shitty, but definitely LAX shitty. Why does such a popular place have a St. Louis sized airport? Can’t figure it out, maybe all the money is going to the needle exchanges?
OK, now I’m going to have to say it. I didn’t want to, because no one ever agrees with me, but here goes… and please remember that I grew up in the rat hole that was Philadelphia in the 70’s and 80’s, before taking a civilizing break in the suburbs of pre-Olympics ATL, then spent the last two years of the 90’s extorted by the Democratic
protection rackettax machine that is South Jersey, finally moving out to the economically depressed, bypassed by all transportation options and most modern conveniences, rural center of Kentuckiana… San Francisco is a shithole. An honest to goodness urban wasteland of hobos, junkies, graffiti, traffic, trash and scum. Ugly and expensive housing stock, ridiculous taxes, bad roads and litter everywhere. San Francisco is South Jersey with less greenery and more hills. There, I said it. Look in your heart, you know it too.san francisco smells like pee
Everyone should see San Fran once LMC.
Twice is kinda dumb though…
The hobos in San Francisco have a strong sense of entitlement, and they allocate one crazy person per bus to make the experience complete.
San Francisco was a very beautiful city until the 70s. Now it looks like the Red Light district in Amsterdam.
Urban/suburban
sprawlgrowth + NIMBY = outdated, undersized, overutilized airports.Happens with regional airports too. Nearest airport to me was originally an Army Aircorps base/training center for W.W. II built on the outskirts of town. Now it’s practically a downtown airport. Just like San Jose.
It was in San Jose that I first saw the dreaded Southwest Skorca.
Just to keep the ignorant spitballin for from the peanut gallery going, earlier folks were talking about pilot error and redundant systems. Well, it seems to me that an airplane is only as good as it’s redundant safety feature(s) allow it to be, and that, increasingly, it’s the pilot and co-pilot who are that system.
Reminds me (if I remember correctly) of that Air France Jumbo from Brazil to Paris that went into the Atlantic because it stalled out and the pilots couldn’t figure out their airspeed indicator was whack because the pitots had iced over.
Of course, it didn’t help any that the senior pilot to was too busy balling a stewardess to be bothered to fly the plane in an emergency.
Hubs was speculating (all the cool kids are doing it) that they may have lost an engine on approach. A fisherman reported hearing a strange noise as the plane was descending before it hit the seawall. Hubs says this noise could have been the pilot giving the engine(s) more power to compensate for the too low approach and had a engine spin and fail, impeding the ability to correct the approach.
I’m pleased to learn the pilots had significant hours of flight time.
Yoon also said that the Flight 214 pilots are all veterans, with more than 10,000 hours of flight experience. “And one pilot has 9,000, almost 10,000 hours’ experience,” he said.
If I’m reading that correctly, it sounds like the cumulative hours of the whole crew were just over 10,ooo, with one pilot having close to 10,000 all by himself. That would suggest the co-pilot was pretty low hour.
Whatever that means.
oops, don’t know what happened to my blockquote…
I read it that the lowest experience pilot has 9000 to 10,000 hours and that the others are all over 10,000 hours.
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That’s what I read too, geoff.
American pilots are (were?) made to take mandatory retirement at age 60. Hubs was a combat pilot and then flew commercially for a few years after he got out of the Army. He has around 13,000 hours and so do a lot of combat vets. I don’t have numbers on what the average number of hours are for commercial pilots as a whole.
Humm, yeah geoffb, that would seem to more likely. I was thinking 10,000 was a lot, but I find the average airline pilot gets about 600 to 1000 hours a year.
the average airline pilot gets about 600 to 1000 hours a year
That’s nothing, it took me 6000 hours to get from Tampa to Louisville last week.
Maybe I exaggerate. But all four flights were delayed, the last one was cancelled, I had to rent a car and drive from ORD to Louisville and since, by the time I got the damn car it was after midnight central, I ended up stopping over in Indy. So a single day trip turned into a four day trip. I could have driven to Tampa and back and saved money.
… and Drudge is saying that the pilot was on his first training flight. Since I’m teaching son #2 how to drive, I’d say only two fatalities gets the guy a solid C+.