I wonder which provision of the abortion bill Democrats hate most? The part about no abortions after 20 weeks or that abortion providers meet surgical standards?
Or are Democrats just lying about the “SAFE” and “RARE” part of “safe, legal and rare” refrain they always go on about?
Happyfeet, go fuck yourself. The abortion industry is responsible for the death of 50 million babies. Perhaps there would be room for discussion if the numbers weren’t so appalling.
However, abortion advocates never want to talk about the actual end result of Roe v. Wade. You all wave your hands and ignore inconvenient facts.
Not exactly, happy. Abortion is presented to young girls in high school as a reasonable alternative to either not having sex until they are of age or if they decide to be reckless and not use birth control? Well, flush that baby right out of your womb! It’s an insidious manipulation of girls who don’t have the maturity to be having intimate relationships that involve sex and the inevitable consequences thereof. It dehumanizes both men and women to the sum of their reproductive organs and reduces their thinking about their own children to a matter of convenience.
No, the people who actually kill the babies are responsible for killing the babies and the hoochies who can’t figure out how to not get knocked up or how to raise the kids they make and therefor have the inconvenient bastards killed are too.
gee, Happy, you did exactly what I said would happen: you ignored the inconvenient fact that 50 million babies have been aborted.
You don’t suppose a couple of restrictions on abortion might have helped bring those numbers down?
The bill obviously aimed for that which abortion advocates say they want: “safe, legal and rare.” No more abortions after 20 weeks would probably make abortion a little more rare. Making abortion providers meet some sort of clinical cleanliness standard darn sure makes abortion a lot more safe. the bill doesn’t outlaw abortion, so, abortion remains legal.
The bill obviously meets the criteria set forth by abortion advocates.
Since Wendy is against those things, it’s safe to assume Wendy is for unrestricted infanticide.
happy, since reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suite these days, note the word “probably.”
Again, 50 million abortions says that something is seriously wrong.
We know for fact that 50 million abortions have been performed. This is without dispute. That alone should be enough argument to suggest it’s time to try something different. The Texas bill tries to limit the abortion time frame, also known as “something different.”
In 2008, most (62.8%) abortions were performed at ?8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.4% were performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation.
Few abortions (7.3%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ?21 weeks’ gestation.
During 1999–2008, the percentage of abortions performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation remained stable, whereas abortions performed at ?16 weeks’ gestation decreased 13%–17%
Moreover, among the abortions performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation, the distribution shifted toward earlier gestational ages, with the percentage of abortions performed at ?6 weeks’ gestation increasing 53%.
***
so what we know is that womens are tending to have their abortions earlier already
the 1.3% who are late deciders – what is driving their decisions?
is the composition of this group increasingly comprised of womens what are concerned about fetal abnormalities?
here is the above data without the question marks:
In 2008, most (62.8%) abortions were performed at less than or equal to 8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.4% were performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation.
Few abortions (7.3%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at greater than or equal to 21 weeks’ gestation.
During 1999–2008, the percentage of abortions performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation remained stable, whereas abortions performed at greater than or equal to 16 weeks’ gestation decreased 13%–17%
Moreover, among the abortions performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation, the distribution shifted toward earlier gestational ages, with the percentage of abortions performed at less than or equal to 6 weeks’ gestation increasing 53%.
***
so Mr. Blake what this is saying is that this idea that the 20-week limitation in the Texas law is going to meaningfully move the dial on the total number of abortions is a chimera
So what’s the problem? If few are done 20+ weeks, then no big deal in banning them, since the effect will be only a relatively few women and certainly their children will live. (if it saves the life of ONE baby!)
Abortion only became legal in 1973 following a tyrannical decision by SCOTUS based on faulty logic.
Capriciously allowing abortion to be “just a thing” was the mistake. Recognizing the mistake and remedying it is being judicious, especially know that medicine has advanced by leaps and bounds.
I think the 20-week thing was a huge gift to Team Hillary
as policy it’s at worst irrelevant and at best it increases public support for abortion by defining abortions over 20 weeks as “bad” and abortions under 20 weeks as “acceptable”
– As if Billary didn’t have enough baggage (luggage under both eyes), I’m assuming, based on everything else he’s managed to do differently than everyone, most of all his hard-nosed base, ever expected him to do, Bumblefuck will make some nasty mistakes and take Hillary down, effectively killing what little chance she might of had anyways.
Santorum and maybe Perry 2.0 will split that vote to where porky porky will have but to execute a quick petit saut to jump ahead and claim the nomination
then Christie just has to hope nobody does on him what he did on Mitt Romney
Do babies eneutero maturate, (physically,emotionally,spiritually), consistant to a static time line?
plus babies are super-cute Mr. Gulermo and they giggle at freaking nothing it’s disarmingly charming you just say bonky bonky bonky and they laugh and laugh
– What the world does not lack is an endless supply of self-serving stupid. Even Einstein understood that.
– Leigh, that T is “ok”, but I can visualize an extremely more visually impactful version. Think “Hillery 2016” in dripping blood red, and the shirt should be a Vampire deep purple on black background, with a spotlight on a bullet riddled, blood smeared stucco wall, with a fire charred sign “Benghazi Consulate” hanging by one screw.
Hillary is an old shrill hag with a truckload of skeletons. She is imminently beatable.
Which is why it won’t be Hillary in 2016.
The Professional Left neither likes nor trusts her, and would prefer instead to have a “true believer” on the ticket. Say, a Liz Warren/(John Hickenlooper|Wendy Davis) ticket is far more likely…
Inevitable Hillary already went down in flames once. Since then, she’s actually been responsible for some things that have all gone badly, unless you count travel miles as an accomplishment.
From the Newsmax sidebar: “NJ Gov. Christie Vetoes Medicaid Expansion Bill”
Christie (who I fully expect to be the Dem candidate in 2016) is now more staunchy than Jen Brewer, at least on this one issue. Would not have predicted that.
Nothing makes any sense anymore. Next we’ll hear that “Ted Cruz wants to expand Medicaid and Food Stamps to every single person in America (citizen or not), for the fairness.” Because food and healthcare are Basic Human Rights, dontcha know.
Other than gassing the Jews (and maybe not even that) and invading Russia, what parts of Hitler’s social agenda does the left not like?
it looks like a bunch of people raising their fingers but one guy’s finger got cut off by how the pic is cropped
all in all it looks like this has been a nice shot in the arm for the democrats in texas
good job, Team R!
speaking of optics it looks like nobody wanted to pay monies to see Jamie Foxx play a butched up fantasy version of our faggot president
go figure
Speaking of our faggot president, I’m kind of enjoying all the photo ops of him in prison cells. Get used to those bars, kid.
I wonder which provision of the abortion bill Democrats hate most? The part about no abortions after 20 weeks or that abortion providers meet surgical standards?
Or are Democrats just lying about the “SAFE” and “RARE” part of “safe, legal and rare” refrain they always go on about?
Happyfeet, go fuck yourself. The abortion industry is responsible for the death of 50 million babies. Perhaps there would be room for discussion if the numbers weren’t so appalling.
However, abortion advocates never want to talk about the actual end result of Roe v. Wade. You all wave your hands and ignore inconvenient facts.
actually Mr. Blake individual womens are responsible for their own abortions, not “the abortion industry”
it’s *exactly* like how it’s individual gun criminals what are responsible for gun violence, not the “firearms industry”
griefer,
Ms Wendy was standing up for infanticide. There is no other description of post-20-weeks abortion on viable babies.
Or were you on vacation in Antarctica during the Gosnell trial?
Not exactly, happy. Abortion is presented to young girls in high school as a reasonable alternative to either not having sex until they are of age or if they decide to be reckless and not use birth control? Well, flush that baby right out of your womb! It’s an insidious manipulation of girls who don’t have the maturity to be having intimate relationships that involve sex and the inevitable consequences thereof. It dehumanizes both men and women to the sum of their reproductive organs and reduces their thinking about their own children to a matter of convenience.
reduces their thinking about their own children to a matter of convenience.
Children? Naw, just “meat in a crockpot”, dontcha know.
No, the people who actually kill the babies are responsible for killing the babies and the hoochies who can’t figure out how to not get knocked up or how to raise the kids they make and therefor have the inconvenient bastards killed are too.
Yeah, Darleen. I keep forgetting.
When do we, as a nation make the Great Leap Forward to infanticide up to the age of, say 16? What’s the big deal?
whatevers
i will use my simple pikachu logics and you can use your heavily-asterisked convoluted logics
gee, Happy, you did exactly what I said would happen: you ignored the inconvenient fact that 50 million babies have been aborted.
You don’t suppose a couple of restrictions on abortion might have helped bring those numbers down?
The bill obviously aimed for that which abortion advocates say they want: “safe, legal and rare.” No more abortions after 20 weeks would probably make abortion a little more rare. Making abortion providers meet some sort of clinical cleanliness standard darn sure makes abortion a lot more safe. the bill doesn’t outlaw abortion, so, abortion remains legal.
The bill obviously meets the criteria set forth by abortion advocates.
Since Wendy is against those things, it’s safe to assume Wendy is for unrestricted infanticide.
Cartoon thinking is what got us here.
No more abortions after 20 weeks would probably make abortion a little more rare. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=49862#comment-999182
why do people assume this I do not understand
if you narrow the choice window you’re giving people less time to think their decision over
I think it’s just as likely abortions could go up as down as a consequence of that provision
of course the rest of the bill is aimed at shutting down as many clinics as possible, so it’ll be difficult to get any kind of actual read on the data
suddenly see more is here to provide you
sweet understanding!
see more’s your friend
Why would anyone want standards imposed on the abortion industry? It’s not like they’re trying to give aspirins or butter knives to high school kids.
“if you narrow the choice window you’re giving people less time to think their decision over”
Did I miss somrthing? At twenty weeks the woman has been making the decision for mas o menos sixteen weeks. I am I correct? A little help here.
Baby fetus is a kickin’ up a storm at 20 weeks. This is known as a clue that it isn’t a benign growth of tissue.
Why yes, griefer, let’s allow the crock-pot to be emptied at 20+ weeks. It’s not like it’s a real baby or anything.
happy, since reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suite these days, note the word “probably.”
Again, 50 million abortions says that something is seriously wrong.
We know for fact that 50 million abortions have been performed. This is without dispute. That alone should be enough argument to suggest it’s time to try something different. The Texas bill tries to limit the abortion time frame, also known as “something different.”
These are not rutabagas or puppies or Buicks or toasters.
this otc Plan B thing is a promising new approach I think Mr. Blake
does anyone even know how many abortions happen in the 20+ week time frame as it is?
if we’re gonna measure the effects of this new policy we need to know that up front I think
Happy, for Christ’s sake, what is wrong with you? You want to add unrestricted access to an abortifacient to unrestricted access to abortion?
here is some real actual data:
***
In 2008, most (62.8%) abortions were performed at ?8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.4% were performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation.
Few abortions (7.3%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ?21 weeks’ gestation.
During 1999–2008, the percentage of abortions performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation remained stable, whereas abortions performed at ?16 weeks’ gestation decreased 13%–17%
Moreover, among the abortions performed at ?13 weeks’ gestation, the distribution shifted toward earlier gestational ages, with the percentage of abortions performed at ?6 weeks’ gestation increasing 53%.
***
so what we know is that womens are tending to have their abortions earlier already
the 1.3% who are late deciders – what is driving their decisions?
is the composition of this group increasingly comprised of womens what are concerned about fetal abnormalities?
That is certainly a hypothesis we could look at.
does anyone even know how many abortions happen in the 20+ week time frame as it is?
Write to Wendy Davis’ office. Maybe she knows.
Human babies (that’s “fetus” to you abortofiends) are viable at 23 weeks. I guess they just slid in under the wire, huh?
here is the above data without the question marks:
In 2008, most (62.8%) abortions were performed at less than or equal to 8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.4% were performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation.
Few abortions (7.3%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at greater than or equal to 21 weeks’ gestation.
During 1999–2008, the percentage of abortions performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation remained stable, whereas abortions performed at greater than or equal to 16 weeks’ gestation decreased 13%–17%
Moreover, among the abortions performed at less than or equal to 13 weeks’ gestation, the distribution shifted toward earlier gestational ages, with the percentage of abortions performed at less than or equal to 6 weeks’ gestation increasing 53%.
***
so Mr. Blake what this is saying is that this idea that the 20-week limitation in the Texas law is going to meaningfully move the dial on the total number of abortions is a chimera
I would bet the otc Plan B thing has a *vastly* larger impact on the number of abortions performed than this 20-week provision thingy
that’s my hypothesis anyways
griefer,
So what’s the problem? If few are done 20+ weeks, then no big deal in banning them, since the effect will be only a relatively few women and certainly their children will live. (if it saves the life of ONE baby!)
we shouldn’t ban things capriciously just for to pander to lifeydoodles
this was a HUGE gift to Team Hillary for little to no measurable gain for Team Lifeydoodle
but again, the draconian clinic regulations in the Texas bill are a real wild card
even fewer (1.3%) were performed at greater than or equal to 21 weeks’ gestation.
Somehow I doubt Gosnell or Carhart report their stats.
to pander to lifeydoodles
So the majority of Americans (and Europeans for that matter who already ban late term abortions) are lifeydoodles?
When did you start pimping for Pete Singer?
Abortion only became legal in 1973 following a tyrannical decision by SCOTUS based on faulty logic.
Capriciously allowing abortion to be “just a thing” was the mistake. Recognizing the mistake and remedying it is being judicious, especially know that medicine has advanced by leaps and bounds.
know = now
I think the 20-week thing was a huge gift to Team Hillary
as policy it’s at worst irrelevant and at best it increases public support for abortion by defining abortions over 20 weeks as “bad” and abortions under 20 weeks as “acceptable”
Hillary is an old shrill hag with a truckload of skeletons. She is imminently beatable.
T-shirt idea: Hillary! 2016 printed vertically next to the bloody fingermarks on the wall in Benghazi. Legacy!
do we have any reason at all to think Team R isn’t going to nominate another Meghan’s coward daddy or an out of touch caricature like Mitt Romney?
right now it looks like a toss-up between porky porky chris christie, Jeb Bush, and smarmy smarmy rubio el cubano mas authentico
and of those three porky porky is the only one with a prayer of beating the fascist cunt
which, in reality, that’s six of one half dozen of the other
how many here would even bestir themselves to vote for a third candidate
third *party* candidate I mean
Rand/Cruz 2016.
The Time is Now.
Obligatory follow up to Leigh’s post with the added bonus of making Happy’s head assplode.
– As if Billary didn’t have enough baggage (luggage under both eyes), I’m assuming, based on everything else he’s managed to do differently than everyone, most of all his hard-nosed base, ever expected him to do, Bumblefuck will make some nasty mistakes and take Hillary down, effectively killing what little chance she might of had anyways.
– It seems to be the Chicago way.
– Sign me up for one of those T-Shirts Leigh.
Santorum and maybe Perry 2.0 will split that vote to where porky porky will have but to execute a quick petit saut to jump ahead and claim the nomination
then Christie just has to hope nobody does on him what he did on Mitt Romney
– ….And just to continue the exploding pekachu theme, (splodeyrat?), Sarah is hinting at jumping the GOP ship.
– The Left must be shitting their diapers, thinking about a true national T-party with her as their probable candidate.
– I’ll take a Sarah versus Hildebeast election anytime, anywhere, any day.
BBH, I saw a mock-up of that t-shirt on another site. Look here .
You’ll have to scroll down a ways, since it’s a daily and they are currently busting on The Wan’s tour of the Dark Continent.
“SCOTUS based on faulty logic”
As well as the facts of the case of standing were lies and fabrications.
Do babies eneutero maturate, (physically,emotionally,spiritually), consistant to a static time line?
Surely, that’s going to work just as well as The Pill did.
i didn’t say it was a panacea, just significantly more impactful than the 20-week thing
The dems want us all to be whores on their bus. Rape ’em and scrape ’em.
“didn’t say it was a panacea”
Of course you didn’t. Please answer my question.
He won’t, Gulermo. To answer truthfully would require moral courage the staunchy one is lacking.
“just significantly more impactful than the 20-week thing”
How many are a “significant” number? How many is an “acceptable” number? Is that 1.3% of 2 million a year? Math be hard…
Do babies eneutero maturate, (physically,emotionally,spiritually), consistant to a static time line?
plus babies are super-cute Mr. Gulermo and they giggle at freaking nothing it’s disarmingly charming you just say bonky bonky bonky and they laugh and laugh
i want one
“moral courage”
It’s worse than that, more venal. Could be the reason the world lacks more Ludvig Vons.
Exactly so, Gulermo.
– What the world does not lack is an endless supply of self-serving stupid. Even Einstein understood that.
– Leigh, that T is “ok”, but I can visualize an extremely more visually impactful version. Think “Hillery 2016” in dripping blood red, and the shirt should be a Vampire deep purple on black background, with a spotlight on a bullet riddled, blood smeared stucco wall, with a fire charred sign “Benghazi Consulate” hanging by one screw.
Einstein himself said that there was a limit to intelligence, not stupidity. True words, fer sure.
BBH, I see a growth industry in Benghazi/Hillary tees at CafePress.
– Or even more to the point: “Hillary 2016” in dripping blood across the picture of Stevens beaten face and shattered body being dragged by the arms.
Which is why it won’t be Hillary in 2016.
The Professional Left neither likes nor trusts her, and would prefer instead to have a “true believer” on the ticket. Say, a Liz Warren/(John Hickenlooper|Wendy Davis) ticket is far more likely…
…or possibly a rehabilitated Howard “I Have a Scream” Dean.
Hell, it could be McLame if he ever pulls those splinters out of his ass and joins his team.
Inevitable Hillary already went down in flames once. Since then, she’s actually been responsible for some things that have all gone badly, unless you count travel miles as an accomplishment.
America isn’t going to buy Fauxcohontas. She’s just hideous.
America doesn’t have to buy the product, only the far left has to, to get her, her ticket to
riderun.don’t underestimate the first president with tits thing and also don’t underestimate her appeal to hispanic women
Hillary is the nominee she has the money she has the media this time AND she has food stamp’s blessing
and she’s the most ruthless cunt Team Fascism has ever produced
bengazi billary
mr ace has an interesting pic
this too is interesting
Absolute Power – Insufferable Corruption – And Threats To Stop Sunlight….
Concealed Carry Coming to Chicago
oh my
Hollywood helped Adolf Hitler with Nazi propaganda drive, academic claims
Well, let’s just say that I hope your parents haven’t entirely closed their minds on the topic.
Oooh, snap!
From the Newsmax sidebar: “NJ Gov. Christie Vetoes Medicaid Expansion Bill”
Christie (who I fully expect to be the Dem candidate in 2016) is now more staunchy than Jen Brewer, at least on this one issue. Would not have predicted that.
Nothing makes any sense anymore. Next we’ll hear that “Ted Cruz wants to expand Medicaid and Food Stamps to every single person in America (citizen or not), for the fairness.” Because food and healthcare are Basic Human Rights, dontcha know.